Stack Jax for Radman: The Numbers
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 16, 2009 11:35 AM PST
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If only Radman was really this guy:
via theheroiclife.files.wordpress.com
But seriously, let's take a look at the numbers, shall we?
2009/10: $7.65 million
2010/11: $8.45 million
2011/12: $9.26 million
2012/13: $10.06 million
2013/14: Free Agent
2009/10: $2,216,160
2010/11: $2,940,844 (Team Option)
2011/12: $4,026,015 (Restricted Free Agent)
2012/13: Free Agent
I'm under the impression that the Warriors had already declined the team option for 10/11, but this isn't being reported anyways. The BETcats can either keep him for $3M or not, it's their choice.
2009/10: $6,466,600
2010/11: $6,833,800 (Player Option)
2011/12: Free Agent
2009/10: $5.25 million
2010/11: Free Agent
Bobcats combined contract obligations to Jackson & Law:
2009/10: $9.87 million
2010/11: $8.45 million
2011/12: $9.26 million
2012/13: $10.06 million
2013/14: None
The Bobcats owe these guys a minimum of $37.64 (including $18.32 million over the next two years)
Warriors combined contract obligations to Radmanovic & Bell:
2009/10: $11.72 million
2010/11: $6.83 million (Player Option)
2011/12: None
The Warriors owe these guys $18.12 million over 2 years.
In this trade, the Warriors have actually decreased their financial outlay for the next two years, and saved themselves $19.52 million in cap space over the following two years. This is a HUGE financial coup for the Warriors. It cannot be understated: HUGE.
Talentwise, I don't think anybody should much care. Jax had an absolutely awful contract. He was good, but the money owed him would prevent us from going out and getting additional talent. This year, he may have been worth 3-5 extra wins this season (and likely not even that much) over Radman/Bell. What you should read there is that Jax was not going to be the difference between the lottery and the playoffs. If anybody was going to be that difference, it was Monta, Randolph, and health... So far Monta's been in a funk, Randolph struggles to stay on the floor due to his foul trouble and general overexcitement, and we've already lost 3 of our top 4 big men and our best back up swing man to injury. We were in a "if all the right pieces fell right," and all the pieces look like this:
via ricksmith.me
This season, we can already tell, is going to be a wash. Getting rid of Jax and his contract while taking back two much shorter contracts, is probably one of only about 25-30 victories we could have expected this year, given the circumstances of Monta, Randolph, and the injuries.
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This is the best perspective on the board so far
by Oracle Junkie on Nov 16, 2009 11:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
thank you, michael jordan. the legend strikes again!
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by Ramah71 on Nov 16, 2009 5:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i guess i may add
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Fire Nellie! Fire Cohan! Fire Gregory! Fire David Stern! No need for explanations, just fire em all!
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by Lat We N Trash on Nov 16, 2009 11:52 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hey some dirty play on Kobe
Im for it, you dont beat stars of his caliber by playing nice
by Oracle Junkie on Nov 16, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Decent trade for the Warriors. Probably was the best they could do without actually throwing in talent. Saving about $21 Million dollars is no easy feat in the NBA these days. Wish we could’ve gotten back a better player than Radman, but at least he’s taller than 6’7’’.
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by kenntoe on Nov 16, 2009 11:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Raja Bell
He is a very good backcourt mate for either Monta or Curry, as he can guard 2’s and doesn’t need to dominate the ball on offense. And he has an expiring contract. And he likes to play defense. And he pisses Kobe off. Win-win-win-win!
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by Supafishal on Nov 16, 2009 12:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
How do Bell and Radman and the loss of Azebuike affect this season?
If only Buike didn’t get hurt I would be extremely pleased with this trade. So I do feel Bell is gonna help us a good bit on the defensive end and i expect shortly he will be starting alongside Monta. Radmon is an interesting one for me, without Buike he is definately gonna get a lot of PT. I see them possibly starting him at the 4 while moving Maggs into the starting lineup but that leaves our bench very thin until Ronny and Beans get healthy. Overall though we get 2 players who will be part of our normal rotation while losing 1.(except its 2 now with Buike) I definately can’t see this trade causing us to lose any more games than we already would have but the loss of Buike is the one that hurts the most since he’s been our most consistent player. Anyways we aint making the playoffs this year and Nellie’s still the coach but I’m glad to finally be rid of Jack. Let me know your guys thoughts…….. "
by pre10d on Nov 16, 2009 1:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Chris Mullin
Would he have been able to make a great trade for us in this whole Jackson situation?
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by Precise Films Productions on Nov 16, 2009 2:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Mully Had A Deal For Jackson
Mully had a deal with Detroit for Tayshaun Prince but it was nixed by Rowell..
by The Sear on Nov 16, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Whole Warrior's Debacle in one trade "not made"
Think of the difference if that trade had happened, Mully was still here, and Rowell was gone. Instead, the W’s made every wrong move. As always.
by formerlythecity on Nov 16, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah, forgot about that.
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by Precise Films Productions on Nov 16, 2009 9:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great Trade!
We were not going to get a lot for a malcontent with a bad contract. We could have waited till the trade deadline, but run the risk of having to take a bad deal to be rid of Jackson. The trade makes Monta our number one option on offense while providing him with an unselfish back court mate.
by ajtrinc on Nov 16, 2009 2:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
excellent post DFiB,
The future salary cap relief is huge and maybe we can use VladRad as trading chip next year at the deadline, when he is expiring.
I expect to see Bell play to about the deadline and see what kind of buyout he can get or get the surger on his wrist right away. If I were him, I would go with the surgery. He doesnt need to have a contract year, he is locked in as a vet min guy for the next 3 or so years.
VladRad isnt very good, but he is tall and we are out of tall players at the moment, so atleast its a temporary fix.
Hopefully Riley is working the phones and seeing whats out there. I am intrested to see what the market is for Ellis. Can we get expirings and a lottery first rounder for him? Not sure, but if we could thats something we should look at.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Nov 16, 2009 3:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Great Residual Effects
With Stephen Jackson gone, it opens up heavy minutes at SF for Corey Maggette, so we won’t be seeing him get destroyed at PF as much.
Now we have 3 healthy bigs we can give minutes to: LESS SMALL BALL.
We have a real perimeter defender in Raja Bell. He’s a guy who we can put on the Kobe’s (& Brandon Jenning’s) of the NBA. Jennings would not have torched us for 55 points if Raja Bell was guarding him.
Larry Riley’s doing an OUTSTANDING JOB so far.
"We Deserve"
by YaHeard on Nov 16, 2009 3:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He still signed Mikki Moore as "beef"
D+ for him.
by dong4ce on Nov 16, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mikki Moore’s still probably one of the best “5th Bigs” in the league. It’s due to pure bad luck that he’s getting so many minutes right now (and Nelson’s insansity). He’s bad, but not “doesn’t-belong-in-the-NBA” bad. He just got plenty of PT for a championship-calibur Celtics team last season. I’m fine with him for much we pay him as a 3rd-stringer.
"We Deserve"
by YaHeard on Nov 16, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It’s due to pure bad luck that he’s getting so many minutes right now
As ONLXN schooled me on recently, it’s not entirely bad luck. Bad luck that he’s playing more than a 5th big? Yeah. But bad planning that he’s playing more than a 3rd big.
by jae on Nov 16, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"He just got plenty of PT for a championship-calibur Celtics team last season"
But how many of Boston’s big guys getting hurt did it take before that happened? Sorry, but Moore is trash. No way around it.
by LakerFan24 on Nov 19, 2009 11:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think outstanding is a pretty big stretch – that would usually be above and beyond normal. Riley’s moves so far have all been solid (I disagree with the Belinelli move, but ultimately he works for the owner, and I’m sure the owner liked putting money in his pockets), but there hasn’t been any big move that really takes a big step forward for the franchise yet…
Also, two of our healthy bigs suck…so less smallball, sure, but let’s not go away from it completely until we get some of our bigs back…
by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Larry Riley
He’s still been able to dump useless Crawford and dump Jackson’s bad contract. He’s done as well as anybody could’ve done with this poorly-assembled roster he inherited. It’s not like we could’ve packaged Crawford, Jackson, and Belinelli for Lebron (or anybody really good, for that matter).
He’s accumulating assets and now is in position to make a deal that could potentially turn this franchise around. That’s all I could ask for. Now whether or not upper management will let him trade these expiring contracts for a big-time, big-money superstar is another thing. And even if we don’t, carrying a low-cost roster will make the team much easier for Cohan to sell to Ellison.
"We Deserve"
by YaHeard on Nov 16, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And as I said, I agree that all the moves made so far have been positive. I just think you can’t call his work outstanding until he does actually make the type of deal that turns the franchise around. He’s taken steps in the right direction – I don’t have any complaints about the job he’s done so far, but he still has a lot of work yet to be done to really be a successful GM.
by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s certainly avoided doing anything stupid, though we’re not in a position where this does us huge benefits in the short term. When your team is good, you can go a long way by simply not doing anything stupid. When your team is terrible, anything stupid goes a long way. It will take something big and probably some luck to capitalize on an opportunity when it comes around. Luckily, we’re in better shape to do that now than we were a year ago.
by jae on Nov 16, 2009 9:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A Warriors GM not doing something stupid is sort of a plus. Let’s enjoy this while we still can.
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by Yoyo on Nov 17, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At least it isn't Rowell again
How I laughed when he released that quote floating around somewhere that stated that he felt that he and the team were duped by Jack.
by ryogahibiki on Nov 19, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That first pick made me jump when I first saw it.......
Kinda creepy.
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by dubzfan on Nov 16, 2009 6:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Thanks for the breakdown Boston!
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by mrod on Nov 16, 2009 10:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone else think that saved money doesnt mean anything?
This franchise is scaring players away and overpaying for limited talent.
I agree JAX had to go, but all that saved money isnt actually going to translate into anything down the road. The salary cap will go lower and the Dubs will overpay for someone we dont really need.
I dont know what the answer is, but this isnt making me happy
by warriorsvictim on Nov 17, 2009 4:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not spending money stupidly is better than spending it stupidly. Jack’s contract would have been spending money stupidly. Whether we squander it down the road or not doesn’t change the fact that it’s a good move right now. Plus, other than Maggette, we really aren’t overpaying anyone. It also gives us more money to sign our own players if any of them turn out to be good. Can you really argue with that?
by Missing Barry on Nov 17, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jackson was a bad influence and he has already caused Monta to turn against the only franchise that would give the their keys to him, then have him screw it up, lie about it, become a nuissance, and still announce as it’s franchise player.
He should find a real mentor(not Jackson), maybe go and talk to Baron/ Barnes about life and how to keep their angers hidden. These guys would help him alot, but he continues to head down a path that seems like it is going to end in a bad tone very soon. Instead of saying you are one of the only defender’s left on the roster….ACTUALLY become a good defender. Instead of saying Curry won’t work with you, ACTUALLY MAKE IT WORK!!!!
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by montadaboss on Nov 18, 2009 11:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Since when did Baron become a good influence? Are you aware of Baron’s past?
by Missing Barry on Nov 18, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So when are they gonna trade Monta to the Lakers
for Farmer, Vujacic, and Walton? I’m guessing they wait a couple more weeks.
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by Ice_9ine on Nov 18, 2009 3:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
r Farmer, Vujacic, and Walton?
haha, that would be kinda funny for bell to find himself on a team of old lakers rejects.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 19, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
When I heard on TV that RADMAN and his 13 million were picked up by the Warriors I just assumed they meant 13 million p/year (I know I too was amazed – but with the way some Gm’s threw out money a few years ago anything is possible (Foyle)). This information means that the trade was a steal.
Riley is already a better GM than Mullin.
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by triplesix on Nov 19, 2009 3:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
x2
riley is going to construct a block buster deal before the deadline.. why did we pick up raja bell? not for a expiring contract, but he would be a great backcourt with curry/watson…i guess ellis is going to be included in the trade, but my opinion is we need a true powerforward with a post presence. Any suggestions anyone???
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by BayAreaKidd650 on Nov 20, 2009 11:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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