With Jackson gone, Ellis & Nellie should as well
Now I've thought about this trade and still, the front office gave us fans a bittersweet feeling about the trade. Even though we traded Jackson, what does that leave us? Bell & Radmanovic? Bell, as a decent 3-point shooter & a great defender, may do "something" on the team. On the other hand, Radmanovic, a big man shooting three's, but can't rebound nor defend. (Another Nellie player) So that leaves me saying, How about another trade? How about trading Monta Ellis? Or firing Don Nelson and signing Avery Johnson as head coach.
Now the trade of Ellis may seem stupid, but let's face it. Ellis can NEVER be a point guard or develop a nice relationship with Don Nelson or gain trust from the ownership. EVER. Give Curry another year or 2, & I believe in my opinion, Curry will be a better player OVERALL then Ellis. That may be a strong opinion, but how about trading Ellis & Biedrins & they're 2nd round or 1st round pick for Chris Bosh? I mean the Warriors don't really need a pick. All their players are young, either from college or from the D-LEAGUE! If possible, we should throw this season away, since this season will surely be a long one. Release some un-quality players such as, Speedy Claxton, Mikki Moore, Devean George, CJ Watson & Radmonovic. Fire Don Nelson, hire Avery Johnson, sign GOOD QUALITY Free Agents. Probably Trade Corey Maggete to another team & that team is pretty set.
Now when I say, sign some Quality Free Agents. Obviously, we won't be able to sign Lebron James or D. Wade to a contract like that, I don't know if the front office is really up to signing a big time player. But how about signing Joe Johnson from the Hawks? Or Josh Howard? If they want a big man, sign Marcus Camby or Tyson Chandler. At least they'll compete with the rebounding area. How can A. Randolph develop into a great player if Nellie doesn't want to start him?I hate to say it, but we have ANOTHER long season ahead of us fans. Probably a LONGER season compared to last years....
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Ellis can NEVER be a point guard or develop a nice relationship with Don Nelson or gain trust from the ownership. EVER.
…can we at least try to put some perspective on things? In the offseason of 2001, I could have made a pretty convincing case that Chauncey Billups would never amount to much of a PG. Let’s just relax on the definitive statements, especially ones unsupported by facts, or even in this case, any sort of opinion/reasoning whatsoever…
by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 1:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ellis can't gain trust from ownership?
Is he going to have another moped accident or something?
I say we should hold on to Ellis for a while to see his development. I’m tired of the Warriors constantly changing their players all the time. Missing the Playoffs in 14 of the last 15 years should have already shown the FO how to deal with players, especially the ones with potential.
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by Precise Films Productions on Nov 16, 2009 1:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Don Nelson is the problem, not Ellis
Ellis is our best player.
Ellis may be irked at the team due to the treatment he received from the front office regarding the moped situation, but he has proven to be a team player and has gotten past that.
It’s true that he needs work as a true point guard, but this is his first full season with this new duty. Give him some time.
It’s like if the company you worked for gave you completely new responsibilities, wouldn’t you need a learning curve too? What, just because he’s an athlete he’s supposed to pick up new things at the drop of a hat? I don’t think it’s fair judgement.
by HireMeAsGM on Nov 16, 2009 1:44 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I agree
Don Nelson is the problem, not Ellis. I actually don’t blame Ellis looking frustrated on the court when Nelson plays 5 GUARDS at the same time !!! I’m respectfull of Nellie’s career as a coach, he has done a lot even with the WE BELIEVE team but clearly, he’s not the right coach for this team now. Changing the starting lineup every game when a team is trying to build chemistry is not really the best thing to do, and say what you want about small ball but it aint gonna get us there !
BTW, I think Keith Smart should take over instead of hiring a new coach, he knows how to communicate with his players and already has their respect.
by ARandolph on Nov 16, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, so your assertion is Don Nelson is the problem. You do give some reasons why – he plays 5 guards at the same time, which is definitely a valid concern. There’s some effort here, but now the question is – with Biedrins, Wright and Turiaf out, and Randolph not completely healthy, what’s Nelson’s alternative, really? I don’t think we can really blame him for the smallball we’ve been playing this year. If the bigs come back and he continues to stick to something ridiculous like that, you certainly have a point, but as of now, he doesn’t really have any better options…
I would also argue starting lineups are really not that important. What matters is how the minutes are actually broken down…
by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Somehow people seem to not understand that Biedrins and Turiaf are hurt right now. Nellie’s quirky lineups are out of neccessity.
Im also irked by everyone crying for more minutes for Randolph. There are major reasons why he can’t play much more minutes than he is right now. First of all, he’s been dealing with a variety of injuries, which seems to get overlooked. Second, he’s still incredibly raw and looks (at times) very unsure of himself on the court. That will become less of a problem as time goes on, but you can’t blame Nellie for being weary about playing him so much when you see some of the mistakes he has made. He’s 20 years old after all. There’s also a third major reason he can’t stay on the floor; fouls. Its hard to trust Randolph when he racks up a couple of fouls to not add another silly one. He plays somewhat recklessly plus he doesnt tend to get the benefit of the doubt from refs.
If I really had to say what our problem is, I would say injuries. Azubuike and Wright being out is something I don’t even like thinking about just because it makes me realize how much better we could be.
by MO-ped MO-problems on Nov 16, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don nelson corey maggette are sinners and should be shot
don nelson needs to retire, avery johnson or byron scott who are good coaches who havent really had the talent to prove themselves should be hired, corey maggette should be go back to la, warriors fans need to boycott the team until its sold because no matter how much talent we get our management will screw things up, Vladimir radmonovic needs to not take his extension next year and the warriors need to let every expiring deal go, put some offers on the table for the likes of bosh and stoudemire, keep monte, biedrins, Randolph, morrow, buike and curry
by GmChris on Nov 16, 2009 2:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
First off, the Mavs got worse when Avery Johnson took over for Nelson. Later, they put up the best regular season record in the NBA (for that season). What happened? They ran into a Don Nelson coached team and lost in the first round to a team that barely squeaked into the playoffs, and Avery was outcoached by Nelson. As for Maggette, yeah, his contract isn’t good, but other than that, what’s your real problem with him? He’s a decent player overall – very good offensively, not as good defensively.
by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t expect anything else to happen for a little bit, and while I’d be happy to see Nellie go, that probably makes sense… it’s worth seeing how these new pieces fit together before blowing something else up.
In fact, you can at least construct an argument that Nellie’s coaching will improve as a result of this trade. For one thing, he gets a more viable smallball four. Don’t get me wrong: I don’t like smallball (with this roster, anyway), and I don’t much like Vladimir Radmanovic. If he plays more than 15-20 minutes a game for us, something’s wrong. Having said that, Nellie’s fascination with smallball doesn’t seem likely to disappear anytime soon. And if we are going to go small, Radmanovic is an interesting option… he’s an excellent three-point shooter, tall enough to get some boards (he’s roughly equal to Maggette as a rebounder) and doesn’t demand the ball much, so he mainly helps space things out for Monta and others. Nellie’s been trying to shove non-Al-Harrington-like players into an Al-Harrington-shaped hole for over a year ago. Vladimir Radmanovic is an Al-Harrington-like player.
More importantly, Nellie can’t use Jack as a crutch anymore. Other than small lineups and general defensive apathy, Nellie’s second tenure here has been marked by one strategy: figure out who you think your two or three best players are, and give them all the minutes and freedom they can possibly handle. In ‘07-’08, he gave Baron Davis, Monta and Jack huge minutes, and while Baron and Jack did run out of gas at year’s end, Baron and Monta (and Biedrins) were good enough to make it a successful season. Really Biedrins was much better than Jack that year, and Nellie overplayed Jack and underplayed Biedrins, even given Biedrin’s foul rate. But overall, it worked, despite very little active strategizing on Nellie’s part. If your best players are good, and you identify them more or less correctly, they can take you a long way.
Last year, Nellie lost two of the three guys he’d depended on, and he got a little nutty. He cast Jack as Baron Davis and Jamal Crawford as Monta Ellis, giving monster minutes to both and complete offensive control to Jack. The results were ugly, and for a simple reason: our best players weren’t that good, and Nellie had also not identified them well. Jack accounted of himself fairly well overall, but he was miscast as a Baron-style central offensive cog, and Crawford isn’t very good. With Biedrins, Turiaf, Wright and Randolph, our talent base had actually shifted a good bit toward the frontcourt, but Nellie never realized that. He just kept underplaying his bigs and overplaying his guards, hoping in vain they’d be as good as his previous guards. And as with Baron the previous year, he just seemed antsy whenever Jack was off the floor, even for a minute.
This year, Monta is back… he’s clearly a better player than Jack. Azubuike, already about as good as Jack in ‘08-’09, looked to have taken another step up… he was playing much better than Jack when he went down. Maggette started this year healthy and has been outplaying Jack by a huge margin. And Jack had asked to be traded! Still and all, Nellie gave him starter’s minutes, and in New York, when the rumors were at their peak and Nellie was desperate for a win? He played Stephen Jackson for over 47 minutes.
Nellie was addicted to Stephen Jackson. Jack became Nellie’s security blanket; if Jack was out there, Nellie felt free to hope that Jack would provide enough defense and make enough plays that something would just work out. And Jack’s not what Baron Davis was… he’s just not that level of player, nor close to it. When Baron left, it was on Nellie to really start coaching again, to take an active and clear-eyed look at his roster and figure out what worked and what needed to be taught. He didn’t do it. He told himself he didn’t need to, because he had Stephen Jackson.
Now that excuse, ludicrous as it was, is gone. Nellie can’t just give Jack 42 minutes and hope he nails enough jumpers and picks off enough passes and motivates enough teammates to carry the day. Now Nellie actually has to coach this team. And it could go one of two ways. Nellie could be reinvigorated by the new-look roster and actually put some effort into coaching again; if he does, then good, we have a good coach. Or Nellie could be even more disinterested in coaching a bunch of kids without his security blanket around; in that event, he’ll probably quit. One way or the other, we should know more about Nellie in the next couple weeks. I’m thinking (maybe just hoping) that lazy in-a-rut Nellie is not long for this world.
by onlxn on Nov 16, 2009 3:31 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
You’re on fire today. Rec’d for this: “Nellie’s been trying to shove non-Al-Harrington-like players into an Al-Harrington-shaped hole for over a year ago. Vladimir Radmanovic is an Al-Harrington-like player.”
Loved that line.
by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Next Move: Ship Ellis
Trade Ellis + Turiaf + Claxton + Azubuike
for
Hamilton + Prince + Bynum
Pistons:
PG Ellis – Stuckey
SG Gordon
SF Azubuike – Daye
PF Villanueva – Wilcox
C Wallace – Turiaf
Warriors:
PG Curry – Bynum
SG Hamilton – Morrow
SF Prince – Maggette
PF Randolph – Wright
C Biedrins
by gambinofam on Nov 16, 2009 3:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Prince is injured and will be out for awhile
And they want a pure point guard so I don’t think this will work. Especially since Buike may be gone for the year…
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
by dubzfan on Nov 16, 2009 6:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We get older and more expensive… and smaller? I like Prince, but that’s a little rich for my blood. Hamilton has one of the worst contracts in the league.
by onlxn on Nov 16, 2009 7:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Each time I see Ellis I dislike him more. His ego and apparent lack of wanting to be here shine everytime he’s on TV. That interview the other day where he’s putting in his earring and clearly the reporters were a nuicance to him was really hard to watch. I say trade him now while his value is high and let’s get a big man who can rebound and wants to be here (if that’s possible)
by palmer_22 on Nov 16, 2009 4:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think coming off last season Ellis’ trade value is very high at the moment…
by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2009 5:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your brilliant
Trade him cause he was putting an earing on! He’s evil and so are earings!
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
by dubzfan on Nov 16, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and he has tattoos!!!
that means Ellis is a thug!!!
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by Precise Films Productions on Nov 16, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What we need to do is replace Nelson
Don Nelson appears to be nonchalant on the sidelines. What the Dubs need is a coach who won’t take any BS. Avery Johnson took over Nelson back in 04-05 for the Mavs, why not again? A coach like him would whip Monta’s spoiled egotistical butt into shape.
This is irrelevant, and not the point, but I couldn’t help but think of what Mike Singletary did for the 49ers.
Mike Nolan=Don Nelson
Vernon Davis=Monta (both talented, but undisciplined young players)
Singletary comes, changes attitude of franchise
by rOracle408 on Nov 16, 2009 6:46 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
To true
But does it have to be Avery? Players ran him out of town in Dallas so I say get someone who takes no BS but is also player friendly if possible. Also you can’t treat a basketball player the same way you do a football player since they will respond quite differently.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
by dubzfan on Nov 16, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Another option- Byron Scott
He did have that coach-player relationship with Chris Paul, and Monta is our “PG of the future”…..
by rOracle408 on Nov 16, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But players did quit on him as well
I’m not sure either are right for the job.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
by dubzfan on Nov 16, 2009 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He did not have a good relationship with Chris Paul. Byron Scott and Avery Johnson are both terrible options to coach this or any team IMO.
by MO-ped MO-problems on Nov 17, 2009 12:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
++++++++++++++1
I agree, it’s Nellie that needs to go. This is CWebb Part II. Nellie got Webber shipped out of town and then got fired a year later. We can’t make the same mistake twice. Fire Nelson, keep Ellis.
There are a bunch of morons in the FO, I swear.
by barrance on Nov 17, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
PLEASE TRADE MAGS TO KINGS!!!
They need a SF and since KMART is out and also they still play that foul game. MAGS WILL BE PERFECT for the Kings! Trade him for a scrub named Kenny Thomas. The only value he has is his contract ends this year. Both contracts are 8 mil. PLEASE DO THIS FRONT OFFICE!!!!
by goaldenstateboy on Nov 16, 2009 8:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Maggs has actually been incredibly efficient lately if you hadn’t noticed. I saw this stat recently; In his last 5 games, Maggette has scored 2.1 points per field goal attempt. Which is like, really good.
by MO-ped MO-problems on Nov 17, 2009 12:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ellis
is still the best player on this team. He isn’t the best PG, leader, but he is the best player. His trade value isn’t that high considering last season and his moped injury. Trading him will just make the Dubs worse, and that’s something you can’t afford considering they are one of the worse teams now. If you want to see him traded, see if Curry develops. If he proves that he is good enough to be the “PG of the future”, than the Dubs should explore the option of trading Ellis (unless he demands it which I can see).
Release some un-quality players such as, Speedy Claxton, Mikki Moore, Devean George, CJ Watson & Radmonovic.
Mikki Moore showed us that he can be a pretty decent backup. He’s can do some things that Turiaf lack such as rebounding and guarding bigger centers. CJ Watson is also a pretty good backup since he can score and handle a ball, his passing skills are aight. Speedy Claxton, Radmonovic, and Devean George can be used as trade baits, so it’s a bad idea to release them.
(I suck at blockquotes)
by DubsFan408 on Nov 16, 2009 9:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
There are four other people that need to go.
Chris Cohan needs to sell the team, Robert Rowell needs to be fired by the new owners, Larry Riley is gone from GM, and Don Nelson should be shown the door as well.
Ellis is not the problem heck even Stephen Jackson wasn’t the problem. It was the ownership that was the issue. Honestly when you have more guards than forwards you’re in trouble especially when the team isn’t that big to begin with because it makes any injury/injuries that much bigger!
It was an embarrassing to watch the Warriors make two trades and neither of them brought a big man that could help out on the boards.
Ellis made a mistake last year on the moped, that’s in the past it’s time to look at the future. Ellis the Warriors franchise and so will Anthony Randolph once the Warriors get a real coach!
by Rocky63215 on Nov 16, 2009 10:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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