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More thoughts on Jackson's and Monta's out of touch mentality


Over at Daily Dojo writer Joshua James quoted some info yesterday that applies directly to what we are seeing with JAX and Monta. I think Fear The Beard was on the right track, but this sounds exactly like what we are dealing with.

“The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which “people reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices but their incompetence robs them of the metacognitive ability to realize it”.[1] The unskilled therefore suffer from illusory superiority, rating their own ability as above average, much higher than actuality; by contrast the highly skilled underrate their abilities, suffering from illusory inferiority. This leads to a perverse result where less competent people will rate their own ability higher than relatively more competent people. It also explains why actual competence may weaken self-confidence because competent individuals falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding. “Thus, the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others.”[1]”

In layman’s terms, people who don’t really know what they’re doing tend to believe that they’re much better at it than they actually are … and people who do know what they’re doing tend to think they’re not as good as they actually are.

http://writerjoshuajames.com/dailydojo/?p=1558

 

JAX and Monta have had some great moments.  I will not deny that. But neither is a player a team should, or can, build around....neither is an All Star caliber player....neither knows how to be a leader....neither one knows it.

You have to wonder if they would have reached this point if they spent the meat of their playing years in Detroit or LA (or San Antonio?!) with really great players and coaches.  The Warriors have been in a state of disarray for so long that they had to treat these two guys like saviors instead of like the role players they are. These two players may not be able to function properly anywhere now except on other decrepit teams.

I fear they may be facing a premature demise soon like Allen Iverson because no team can figure out how to use them despite an uncanny amount of talent.  I wouldnt wish that on anyone (except Cohan and Rowell...ok maybe Sarah Palin too).

Anyone think there is a way to save Monta? Considering how few years you get in this league, I fear he is a lost cause already.

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I hate too say it but....

We need to get him out of here fast, for his sake. He has watched that now distant WE BELIEVE team break-up one relevant piece at a time, and now it’s just him and the other two non factors on that playoff roster( Buike and Beans) so he may be at the point where he’s waiting to be traded. He may actually be losing his mind here, you really have to be mentally tough just to sign a contract with this team…

by shay_boggy on Nov 17, 2009 9:51 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Monta got paid to be the franchise guy but he refuses to take on that role, so f-him. Really. People are so hung over Monta but he hasn’t proven he can lead, he hasn’t proven he can make others better (on and off the court), he hasn’t even proven he’s back to “normal” from his injury, whatever normal is. His great mid-range shot is gone. I’m thinking it was just a fluke.

Confident Marco Belinelli supporter

by Doctor Kajita on Nov 17, 2009 10:21 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Just read Kawakami's blog on Monta

If the reports are true, Nelson told Monta to be quiet when Monta tried to address the team in the lockeroom for their poor performance against the Clippers. Wow.

Confident Marco Belinelli supporter

by Doctor Kajita on Nov 17, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

here's something you fail to realize...

… making others around you better typically lowers your PPG average.
That’s all.

by Sricko on Nov 17, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How did I fail to realize that?

Confident Marco Belinelli supporter

by Doctor Kajita on Nov 17, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well I was making a joke...

…but you say Monta fails to make others around him better, which I agree with.
But in order for Monta to truly accept that role and do it, he would need to take less shots and I don’t see him wanting to do that.

by Sricko on Nov 17, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Really as in

Getting Anthony Morrow open three pointers, how about the fact that he had a 12 assist to only one turnover in a game against the Grizzlies. Ellis can be a leader it’s just that under Nelson he will never fully grow into one.

The fact of the matter is that Nelson doesn’t care about the team, he doesn’t care if there are leaders or not, he’s going to do it his way. If you question him then it gets leaked to the media that so and so isn’t being a team player.

by Rocky63215 on Nov 17, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jax had like 15 assists in one game this year too.

That doesn’t mean he’s a Nash or a Billups.

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Nov 17, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

…but you say Monta fails to make others around him better, which I agree with.
But in order for Monta to truly accept that role and do it, he would need to take less shots and I don’t see him wanting to do that.

Gotcha

Confident Marco Belinelli supporter

by Doctor Kajita on Nov 17, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn’t matter if we’re patient with him, he’s already been antagonized by the organization so mentally, he’s not here anymore.

Confident Marco Belinelli supporter

by Doctor Kajita on Nov 17, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

true

Even if we had the time for him, things might not even work out well. The Warriors organization has been too much lately. First Harrington, then Jackson, and now Monta. I wonder who’s going to be next, maybe Randolph will start getting pissed that we can’t win later on.

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by Precise Films Productions on Nov 17, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

For sure Randolph is next. Man, I hate to admit it, but I think Kawakami has been right about many things lately.

Confident Marco Belinelli supporter

by Doctor Kajita on Nov 17, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Even if TK is right...

Randolph might not be next. Nellie isn’t Larry Brown, he doesn’t hate all his players after a few weeks. Nellie doesn’t like players that don’t do the things he wants them to do. In his current state, Randolph is probably 50-50 with Nellie. Starting off the year, he was probably 10-90, 90% in the doghouse. However, Randolph has started to hit that outside shot a little bit, and if that continues, then he will be a Nellie type-player and there won’t be a reason to get rid of him.

Either that, or Nellie will just decide that he’s done before any other players get pushed away.

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Nov 17, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

REC and +1000

We also need to remember we might get impatient because he has been i the league a while and forget he’s 24. I think one of his issues this year is how much he is playing on the ball. When he put up 36 and hot 60 percent he played off the ball. Just putting it out there.

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"

by dubzfan on Nov 19, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If Randolph doesn’t get playing time then yes, he will be next. This sucks. We Suck.

Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!

by Supafishal on Nov 17, 2009 11:40 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

If you listened to Ralph/Tom today Randolph is unhappy too

The dude from ESPN made an acceptable claim that Randolph is confused by the lack of direction and consistency. I would be too, wait I was, that was me in high school. Double double one game, then DNP-CD the next for no reason.

Something really needs to be done to set this team straight, and I think it is bigger than just replace Nellie or Monta.

They will have to make BIG changes soon in order to lure players here of a higher caliber than Maggette.

by warriorsvictim on Nov 17, 2009 4:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I heard that part by Ric Bucher

He didn’t realize that AR got 6 minutes in the Knicks game because he had a shoulder sting. For that particular argument, he was looking at box scores, and not the game.

by IQofaWarrior on Nov 17, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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