More thoughts on Jackson's and Monta's out of touch mentality
Over at Daily Dojo writer Joshua James quoted some info yesterday that applies directly to what we are seeing with JAX and Monta. I think Fear The Beard was on the right track, but this sounds exactly like what we are dealing with.
“The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which “people reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices but their incompetence robs them of the metacognitive ability to realize it”.[1] The unskilled therefore suffer from illusory superiority, rating their own ability as above average, much higher than actuality; by contrast the highly skilled underrate their abilities, suffering from illusory inferiority. This leads to a perverse result where less competent people will rate their own ability higher than relatively more competent people. It also explains why actual competence may weaken self-confidence because competent individuals falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding. “Thus, the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others.”[1]”
In layman’s terms, people who don’t really know what they’re doing tend to believe that they’re much better at it than they actually are … and people who do know what they’re doing tend to think they’re not as good as they actually are.
http://writerjoshuajames.com/dailydojo/?p=1558
JAX and Monta have had some great moments. I will not deny that. But neither is a player a team should, or can, build around....neither is an All Star caliber player....neither knows how to be a leader....neither one knows it.
You have to wonder if they would have reached this point if they spent the meat of their playing years in Detroit or LA (or San Antonio?!) with really great players and coaches. The Warriors have been in a state of disarray for so long that they had to treat these two guys like saviors instead of like the role players they are. These two players may not be able to function properly anywhere now except on other decrepit teams.
I fear they may be facing a premature demise soon like Allen Iverson because no team can figure out how to use them despite an uncanny amount of talent. I wouldnt wish that on anyone (except Cohan and Rowell...ok maybe Sarah Palin too).
Anyone think there is a way to save Monta? Considering how few years you get in this league, I fear he is a lost cause already.
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I hate too say it but....
We need to get him out of here fast, for his sake. He has watched that now distant WE BELIEVE team break-up one relevant piece at a time, and now it’s just him and the other two non factors on that playoff roster( Buike and Beans) so he may be at the point where he’s waiting to be traded. He may actually be losing his mind here, you really have to be mentally tough just to sign a contract with this team…
by shay_boggy on Nov 17, 2009 9:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Monta got paid to be the franchise guy but he refuses to take on that role, so f-him. Really. People are so hung over Monta but he hasn’t proven he can lead, he hasn’t proven he can make others better (on and off the court), he hasn’t even proven he’s back to “normal” from his injury, whatever normal is. His great mid-range shot is gone. I’m thinking it was just a fluke.
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by Doctor Kajita on Nov 17, 2009 10:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Just read Kawakami's blog on Monta
If the reports are true, Nelson told Monta to be quiet when Monta tried to address the team in the lockeroom for their poor performance against the Clippers. Wow.
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by Doctor Kajita on Nov 17, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
here's something you fail to realize...
… making others around you better typically lowers your PPG average.
That’s all.
by Sricko on Nov 17, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How did I fail to realize that?
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by Doctor Kajita on Nov 17, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I was making a joke...
…but you say Monta fails to make others around him better, which I agree with.
But in order for Monta to truly accept that role and do it, he would need to take less shots and I don’t see him wanting to do that.
by Sricko on Nov 17, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really as in
Getting Anthony Morrow open three pointers, how about the fact that he had a 12 assist to only one turnover in a game against the Grizzlies. Ellis can be a leader it’s just that under Nelson he will never fully grow into one.
The fact of the matter is that Nelson doesn’t care about the team, he doesn’t care if there are leaders or not, he’s going to do it his way. If you question him then it gets leaked to the media that so and so isn’t being a team player.
by Rocky63215 on Nov 17, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jax had like 15 assists in one game this year too.
That doesn’t mean he’s a Nash or a Billups.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Nov 17, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
…but you say Monta fails to make others around him better, which I agree with.
But in order for Monta to truly accept that role and do it, he would need to take less shots and I don’t see him wanting to do that.
Gotcha
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by Doctor Kajita on Nov 17, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Man, I think people are overexaggerating this Monta situation.
People are making his situation seem so dramatic. Let me backtrack real quick. I’m just throwing this out there, i’m not expecting anyone to really read this since I would be too lazy to read such a long post as well.
05-06 Season

Monta’s rookie year. Not a lot of expectations, he was a 2nd round pick and the Warriors already had Baron Davis and Derek Fisher at the point guard positions. Mike Montgomery didn’t really play Monta that much.
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06-07 Season
Monta started getting a lot of buzz at the beginning of the season. It was Nellie’s first year in his return to coach the Warriors. Monta showcased how much potential he has. People started paying attention to him after his dunk on Barbosa.

He starts getting consistent minutes and his ppg improves, earning him a spot in the Rookie-Sophomore game. He got a lot of alley-oops from CP3 in that game and non-Warriors fans are amazed at how much hops he has; there’s no other point guard in the league that jumps like him.

Warriors make the Playoffs and Monta wins the Most Improved Player award. Everyone is proud of Monta and he becomes the darling of the We Believe team. Doesn’t perform well in the postseason but we forgave him since he was still young and inexperienced.
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07-08 Season
Jason Richardson gets traded, leaving even more playing time for Monta Ellis. Monta becomes a 20ppg player, along with Baron Davis and Stephen Jackson who were both 20ppg players as well. Monta averages 26ppg on over 60% shooting for the entire month of February; only a few players have accomplished that in the history of the NBA, and I think Monta is actually the only volume shooter/scorer to ever do it. Monta solidifies himself as one of the best mid range shooters in the NBA, even scoring 36 points in a game without attempting a single free throw or three pointer. He’s starting to get recognized by some of the media as a future all-star.
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08-09 Season

Baron Davis surprises everyone by going into free agency and signing with the Clippers. Monta now has the responsibility to step up even further and prove that he can lead a team. He’s rewarded with a big contract. Unfortunately, he makes a stupid mistake by injuring himself with a moped and is out for the first half of the season. People criticize him, people are mad. People make fun of him, he’s no longer the sweet little boy anymore. He got tattoos and now he’s a thug? When he returns, he doesn’t play as good as he did the previous season.

How long will people get mad at him for his moped accident? Yes, he ruined our season, but it’s not like that year was our only chance at winning a championship or anything. I was pissed off at Monta at the time but i’ve already forgiven him for that now.
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08-09 Offseason
Since Monta has been given a big contract, it’s probably safe to assume that the team is looking at him to be the new leader of the team. He’s trying to be a point guard now that Baron is gone. He didn’t have the 08-09 season to test himself since he was out most of the year.

All of a sudden, the Warriors draft a young point guard with the 7th pick. Ellis says, “WTF? I thought I was going to be the young point guard of this team”. People get mad at him, people despise him for saying that.
Later, Ellis says that a backcourt with him and Curry would not succeed on defense. I don’t see how anyone could disagree with that. Sure, they can prove us wrong but on paper it doesn’t look like a good pairing for defense. People start thinking that Ellis is jealous of Curry, people start making up things, saying random nonsense like Ellis is jealous that Curry looks more handsome and that he was a rich kid growing up (WTF?).
After seeing Curry in the first preseason game, Monta finally shows love for the rookie. Monta just wanted to see Curry play against NBA competition before labeling him as a good player. Monta stated that when he was a rookie, Baron and Fisher never really cut him any slack and that he had to earn their respect. That’s exactly what he was trying to do with Curry, that Curry has to play good in order to get respect.
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09-10 Season
Warriors have a bad start. Monta hasn’t really done anything to negatively affect the team. When Stephen Jackson gets traded, Monta said he wants his teammates to step up and play the role that Jackson did. People get mad when they hear that, they think Monta is a little punk.

What I don’t understand is how people can think that was a bad thing. Should Monta be the only person making up for the loss of Jackson? How do you expect Monta to average 30+ ppg? He can’t do it by himself, and that’s why he wants his teammates to step up. He’s concerned about the team, and he wants his teammates to play better. Monta will play his role as a leader but he wants his teammates to be able to step up now that a key player from the team is gone now.
If he was such a selfish ballhog like a lot of people say he is, then he would have never have said that. If he was selfish, then he wouldn’t want his teammates to step up. He wouldn’t care about him.
Now, after reviewing his career, I don’t see how the hell he’s considered as a problem or a cancer. Because he got in a moped accident? So does that mean he’s going to get in more moped accidents in the future? Because he had concerns for a rookie? Because he got tattoos? Because he wants his teammates to step up now that Jackson is gone?
People say he has no leadership. Is it because he’s quiet? What about guys like Tim Duncan, Ray Allen or Chauncey Billups? There’s a ton of great players out there who are quiet yet are considered leaders.
Don’t get me wrong, i’m not saying that Ellis is an angel or that he’s guaranteed to be a great player for us. I’m just saying that maybe we should be patient with him, he’s still only 24 years old and has great potential. Hold on to him and don’t give up on him. You’d think that missing the playoffs in 14 of the last 15 seasons would show the FO how to deal with their players, especially the ones with potential and youth.
All of this losing just makes everything seem worse than it really is. Monta isn’t the only reason we’re losing, and trading him isn’t going to miraculously turn us into a winning team (unless it’s for some type of all-star big man).
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by Precise Films Productions on Nov 17, 2009 11:06 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
It doesn’t matter if we’re patient with him, he’s already been antagonized by the organization so mentally, he’s not here anymore.
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by Doctor Kajita on Nov 17, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
true
Even if we had the time for him, things might not even work out well. The Warriors organization has been too much lately. First Harrington, then Jackson, and now Monta. I wonder who’s going to be next, maybe Randolph will start getting pissed that we can’t win later on.
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by Precise Films Productions on Nov 17, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For sure Randolph is next. Man, I hate to admit it, but I think Kawakami has been right about many things lately.
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by Doctor Kajita on Nov 17, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even if TK is right...
Randolph might not be next. Nellie isn’t Larry Brown, he doesn’t hate all his players after a few weeks. Nellie doesn’t like players that don’t do the things he wants them to do. In his current state, Randolph is probably 50-50 with Nellie. Starting off the year, he was probably 10-90, 90% in the doghouse. However, Randolph has started to hit that outside shot a little bit, and if that continues, then he will be a Nellie type-player and there won’t be a reason to get rid of him.
Either that, or Nellie will just decide that he’s done before any other players get pushed away.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Nov 17, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
REC and +1000
We also need to remember we might get impatient because he has been i the league a while and forget he’s 24. I think one of his issues this year is how much he is playing on the ball. When he put up 36 and hot 60 percent he played off the ball. Just putting it out there.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
by dubzfan on Nov 19, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Randolph doesn’t get playing time then yes, he will be next. This sucks. We Suck.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
by Supafishal on Nov 17, 2009 11:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
If you listened to Ralph/Tom today Randolph is unhappy too
The dude from ESPN made an acceptable claim that Randolph is confused by the lack of direction and consistency. I would be too, wait I was, that was me in high school. Double double one game, then DNP-CD the next for no reason.
Something really needs to be done to set this team straight, and I think it is bigger than just replace Nellie or Monta.
They will have to make BIG changes soon in order to lure players here of a higher caliber than Maggette.
by warriorsvictim on Nov 17, 2009 4:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I heard that part by Ric Bucher
He didn’t realize that AR got 6 minutes in the Knicks game because he had a shoulder sting. For that particular argument, he was looking at box scores, and not the game.
by IQofaWarrior on Nov 17, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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