Very realistic Monta Ellis trade
by montasmob69 on Nov 17, 2009 3:53 PM PST
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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yk7fdum
I guess the link is not working. It is Kirk Hinrich and Luoi Deng for Monta Ellis and Corey Maggette
Kirk Hinrich is an excellent defender, very tough, and has the ability to be a 15 ppg scorer. He is a total combo guard, who can guard players as small as Chris Paul and as large as Paul Pierce. Chicago has been looking to trade him since Derrick Rose was drafted because of his bad contract.
Deng is good fit in golden state because of his slashing ability. His size at 6'9, 225 allows him to be a very good defender, especially on the perimeter. He is often praised for his work ethic and is an excellent rebounder. His contract is nearly identical to Montas
Chicago may be compelled to do this trade for several reasons. Derrick Rose is one of the few players in the NBA that is big enough to guard the two, despite being a point guard, an ideal situation for Monta. In addition, Monta is a very similar player defensively to Ben Gordon, so Chicago would not be afraid to add a bad defender at the shooting guard position. Finally, Monta not only brings 20 ppg potential, but also creates one of the quickest back courts in the NBA.
Corey Maggette is simply an upgrade at 6th man over Kirk Hinrich. He is a more complete offensive player, as the ability to score in the post (something Chicago hasn't been able to do since the days of Artis Gilmore) and can get to the foul line.
If the Warriors could pull this trade off, we could finally see some defense on the team, even if Nellie tries to prevent it. But in all honesty, the Warriors, no matter who they acquire, will not see real improvement until Nellie is gone, and even more realistically until Cohan sells the team.
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I actually like this trade and it seems like it could potentially be agreed upon on both sides.
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by JustSomeName on Nov 17, 2009 4:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It essentially gives the keys to Stephen Curry to make something out of this team as well
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by JustSomeName on Nov 17, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t know if you saw my earlier posts but I mentioned this trade and got laughed at.
I thought it was a decent trade because you would shed 22M in payroll assuming Monta opts in for his player option at 2013/2014. Hinrich’s salary deflates each year: this year he’s owed 9.5, next 9.0, and in his final year 8.0.
Lastly, Chicago does need scoring bad. They’re third worst in the league. But they need 3 point shooters too, which Monta is not.
People are saying this is a bad trade because Hinrich isn’t as good as Monta. Probably not, but he’s a smarter player, a better defender, and can shoot long-range. Him and Curry would be a very smart backcourt.
Lastly, I advocate this trade not because Monta is being a punk (or not), but simply because the team is not constructed well enough for Monta to be 100% effective. He needs a Baron Davis and/or a Derrick Rose (hint hint) to be the player he was two years ago. Even with Monta gone, I would push for Don Nelson to be gone too. But, between the two, Monta being traded is more realistic and plausible.
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by Doctor Kajita on Nov 17, 2009 4:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I last "lastly" twice.
I guess I wasn’t done talking. LOL
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by Doctor Kajita on Nov 17, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I SAID*
WTF
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by Doctor Kajita on Nov 17, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
haha, it’s ok. You made all valid points that I all agree with.
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by JustSomeName on Nov 17, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just sick of seeing talent-losing trades.
If you think Monta is overrated because of his defensive liabilities and because his numbers were inflated by playing with Baron, this trade may make some sense.
But if Monta’s performance is down because he’s poorly motivated and he’s going to turn back into the player he was two years ago, then this is a bad trade. Monta is a hard player to get value for, but the Warriors have to try.
by Ronaldinho on Nov 17, 2009 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you think Monta is overrated because of his defensive liabilities and because his numbers were inflated by playing with Baron, this trade may make some sense.
Yes and no. I think he’s overrated because he has no impact on the game. When is the last time he took a big shot to tie or win a game in the last 2 minutes? I think it’s been two years. I haven’t seen him try to manage a game, try to look for mismatches, or anything smart. I just see him trying to score and maybe make a pass to the open man after he realizes he’s not going to be able to score. Okay, I’m exaggerating a little bit. I’ve seen him draw defenders on a drive so he can dish it, but so what? He’s a scoring machine, a very effective one, but he’s not “Big Shot Monta.”
I don’t see him poorly motivated when on the court. I think he’s doing everything he can. The roster and the coach are not a good fit for him. Firing Nelson wouldn’t really change too much except that we’ll stop hearing him complain.
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by Doctor Kajita on Nov 18, 2009 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i cant get into that link... could anyone just post up the swapped players?
by cjl49 on Nov 17, 2009 4:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s Deng + Hinrich for Maggette + Monta.
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by Doctor Kajita on Nov 17, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would approve of this trade
Kirk Hinrich has been one of my favorite players since he was drafted out of Kansas.
Solid Guard who can play the 1 or the 2. Smart, grity player who will play at both sides of the ball
Deng was slowed by injuries but looks like he’s slowly coming back to form.
With the improved play of Taj Gibson, Deng might be expendable….
by HireMeAsGM on Nov 17, 2009 4:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure if your Trade Machine included Maggette and Deng, but I presume it did. You have to look at Deng’s salary throughout the years. Contrary to Hinrich’s, his salary increases each year and is one more year longer than Maggette’s. I would rather keep Maggette than have to pay Deng, who has had a pretty lackluster year thus far.
Including this year, the difference between Deng and Maggette’s salaries for the remainder of their respective contracts is 21.9M.
If Chicago is asking us to take Deng, that’s a huge financial commitment. I really don’t know much about Deng, but it appears he is not living up to his contract. I could be wrong.
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by Doctor Kajita on Nov 17, 2009 4:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i like getting hinrich
because the ball would move around alot better than it would with monta.
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by Rach on Nov 17, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
actually, deng is averaging 18 and 9 so far. He’s a great rebounder for the 3
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by montasmob69 on Nov 17, 2009 5:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he’s been rebounding out of his mind so far.
by Reverend_Randy on Nov 17, 2009 7:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s pretty good, but is that worth 14M in the last year of his contract? I can see Deng’s contract being a problem here. I think Chicago would be happy to offload his contract onto us for Maggette’s, but that’s just me. I rarely see Deng play. But from looking at the numbers, and we’re in an era where numbers overshadow everything, taking on Deng’s contract does not favor the Warriors, obviously.
From a talent perspective, I guess I’d be okay with it if Deng turns out to be a productive 3 for years to come. But he’s getting paid as a franchise player. Is he that player?
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by Doctor Kajita on Nov 18, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Love the trade
but it would take the bulls to struggle a lil more for them to pull the trigger. they are very high on deng but if they aint scoring enough they may be willing cause they can play salmons at the 3.
by pre10d on Nov 17, 2009 4:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
rose and ellis..
they have very similar play styles attack attack attack very aggressivly..3pt shooting would hurt this team a lot..
by blacksamurai33 on Nov 18, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ARRGH
Love hinrich for ellis, i was about to post that up. I doubt bulls will trade deng for magette though, but if that happened, wed have an awesome team. Curry Hinrich Deng Randolph Biedrins is SICK. I’d just worry when bwright and azu come back next year, we wouldnt really need Deng and his fat and long contract.
by jiraya on Nov 17, 2009 4:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
we wouldnt really need Deng and his fat and long contract.
I’d rather have Deng’s contract than Maggette’s contract. Maggette will be 33 in the last year of his contract where as Deng will be 29 in the last year of his contract. It’s always good to trade for a younger player. We all know what Maggette brings and his skills will certainly diminish as he reaches the last year of his contract whereas Deng will be in the prime of his career during the entirety of his contract. So in conclusion, Deng>Maggette
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by JustSomeName on Nov 17, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
not so sure about that...
Deng is getting paid 14 million… FOURTEEN MILLION in the last year of his contract(13-14). He is nowhere near that good. each year his contract goes up by 1 mill, its 10 mill this year. corey’s levels out at 11 mill his last year (12-13) and he’s making 9 mill this year. his contract is not as long and not as massive. In addition, once bwright returns, Id hope for anthony randolph to take the starting SF next year. if that happens, deng would be an even more overpriced backup than magette, and probably less suited for the 6th man role than magette.
by jiraya on Nov 17, 2009 5:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
In addition, once bwright returns, Id hope for anthony randolph to take the starting SF next year
How many times must this be repeated? Anthony Randolph is NOT a 3! He is a 4 and will thrive at the 4. He should not be considered even being put at the three until his shaky jumper starts to level out a bit more! And THAT’s the truth!
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by JustSomeName on Nov 17, 2009 5:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You know Randolph is a 4
Secondly this trade as long as were able to get Deng is great. Maggette has been playing great but he is a 6th man not a starter like Deng.
That 13-14 million you are talking about would be an expiring contract that year and thus a very tradable asset.
by Oracle Junkie on Nov 17, 2009 8:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great but they won't give up Deng
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by Mike Fox on Nov 17, 2009 5:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Probably the best Ellis trade I’ve seen so far.
by Reverend_Randy on Nov 17, 2009 7:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I think Chicago laughs at this offer
by Bellringer21 on Nov 18, 2009 2:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Deng the president's favorite player?
How could they trade him away?!?
Also, isn’t Deng more of a mid-range jumper player than a slasher?
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Nov 17, 2009 6:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nellie won't like Hinrich lol
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by Xero on Nov 17, 2009 7:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
A rumor just popsed up that the organization is looking to trade him.
by Reverend_Randy on Nov 17, 2009 7:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because he is an immature tool that needs to learn...
That he actually does not have it too bad here and after what he did last year….its about time he pulled his head out of his rear and started to show some loyalty to this damn club that should have voided his rear last year!
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by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 17, 2009 7:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its Monte Who Can't Stand Nelson
Monte wants out before he puts a cap in Nelson’s brain..
by The Sear on Nov 17, 2009 7:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To Good To be True
This trade makes sense and would be a good deal, so you know it will never happen because its the Warriors..
Remember one thing about Hinrich, he had the worst shooting percentage in the NBA from the field last year..He has lost his shot, but he is hard nosed, a good defender and he won’t choke anyone or act up..
by The Sear on Nov 17, 2009 7:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich's shooting percentage
was 44% last year. I can name about 20 or 30 players with a lower percentage than that.
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by montasmob69 on Nov 17, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who's choking people?
Did we bring Latrell back?
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by dubzfan on Nov 17, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Man the only reason this trade is realistic, is because it makes the BULLS better....
Seriously, we trade our two best players for two players the Bulls don’t want? Yes, I can see some people arguing that Randolph is better than Maggette, but right now Maggette is more of a contributor. With Deng on the Warriors, Randolph might not ever get more than 20 minutes in a game ever again. Damn you Don Nelson!!!
by joestar on Nov 17, 2009 8:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
Maggette is our 2nd best player?
by Bellringer21 on Nov 18, 2009 2:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
only cause nellie is not playing AR4
by blacksamurai33 on Nov 18, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A more likely trade is Deng, Hinrich 4 Monta, expirings
It’ll save them 9+ mil or so off next years cap… aka gives them realistic shot at bosh/amare….
rose
monta
salmons
bosh
noah
now that aint a bad vision
by tafkasam on Nov 17, 2009 9:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
No way the Bulls take Maggette with Ellis….it will screw up their cap space for years.
by Bellringer21 on Nov 18, 2009 2:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not really. The reason the trade works is Deng and Hinrich have almost identical contracts to Monta and Maggette
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by montasmob69 on Nov 18, 2009 7:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BUT WHY?
there management likes hinrich, and he’s content w/ a role player role…. and they love deng.
i’m not saying they wouldnt part w/ them… BUT i dont see how a lateral trade benefits them. Infact you could claim its a negative one. They get 30 year old injury prone maggette and Monta who will make there backcourt smaller.
It’s more likely they’d prefer to clear cap space + monta to make a run at amare/bosh as they r 1 of the few teams capable of pulling them
by tafkasam on Nov 18, 2009 8:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do we want to keep trading away our talent?
How can you tell me a twenty three year old averaging 19/5/5 and our most consistent and professional veteran for two role players is a good trade? I see it already, we trade away Monta and he becomes an all-star. I say we wait until closer to the trade deadline for a better evaluation on whether the team would actually benefit from trading Monta and turning our team over to Curry.
by BryanBalla on Nov 17, 2009 9:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Monta has changed. He’s not the humble Mississippi bullet he once was in 08. He’s got an attitude, he’s not a hard worker, simply put, he’s not a good franchise player. I think a lot of good things can happen this off season for the warriors. Hopefully Nellie will retire after getting the record, Cohan will sell the team to Ellison, and we can build a real team. Teams in the NBA really have two formulas for success.
1. Build a team around two superstar type players.
2. Have a tough hardworking team with great chemistry
It’s a lot easier to get 10 guys who are tough then to find 2 superstars. Deng and Hinrich are hardworking and tough. Randolph is hardworking and tough. Morrow is hardworking and tough. Buike is hardworking and tough. We have some guys that fit that mold. Throw in a potential high draft pick for a John Wall or Cole Aldrich and we have one physical basketball team.
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by montasmob69 on Nov 17, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because that 19/5/5 may be great in fantasy basketball land or on the All-Star ballot, but it has little to do with us winning real basketball games.
The reality of the situation is that he can’t guard 1’s or 2’s or anybody and doesn’t appear to care. He doesn’t play the PG position well either.
Just watching this season we can clearly see the difference between Monta and Curry. Curry is what a real PG is supposed to be: he shares the ball, carries himself well with the media, and doesn’t throw his teammates under the bus constantly. He’s not even doing anything spectacular out there but he’s still proving himself to be the PG of the future in comparison to Monta.
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by YaHeard on Nov 18, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with most of your points.
But I fail to see how carrying “himself well with the media” is a part of “what a real PG is supposed to be.”
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by WarriorForLife on Nov 19, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant it as opposed to what Monta has been doing, which is throwing his teammates under the bus and shunning accountability. A leader/PG just doesn’t do that. I should have clarified that I’m talking about a leader-type PG.
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by YaHeard on Nov 19, 2009 10:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tonight's chuckle: Monta and AR to the Knicks for Wilson Chandler and Larry Hughes
Just saw that one on proposed on a Knicks blog moderated by someone who otherwise seemed reasonably well-informed. I literally laughed out loud at the stupidity. But then I had to stop and convince myself that the Warriors stupidity is not in fact greater, and that they just might actually make a deal like that. I won’t lose sleep until they do, but the moment AR goes out, for anybody who is not named Bosh, I’m officially giving up on a team I’ve followed since ’73.
Side question, though: What, if anything, is AR actually doing to play so few minutes? Is he perpetually out of position, not showing any offensive moves, losing his man on defense? I haven’t seen enough of his time on court to figure out if he’s actually costing himself minutes with own mistake-filled play, or if Nellis is just trying to humiliate him for some personal mind-games sort of reason.
by BlueInTheFace on Nov 17, 2009 10:07 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Good Question...
Ask Nellie that. Nellie is playing tough love even though it’s coming at the expense of the future of the Warriors. Funny how the whole league views Randolph as an incredible talent EXCEPT THE WARRIORS!!!!
by joestar on Nov 17, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The whole league isn’t invested in the actual well-being of the Warriors like, well, the Warriors are. You think Bill Simmons cares about Randolph’s development? No, he just wants to see some MONSTER DUNKZ AND BLOKZ. It’s disappointing that members of the Warriors community apparently feel the same.
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by antihero on Nov 19, 2009 6:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Randolph is occasionally lost out there.
There were a few instances of it today… but overall he seems to be getting back into the mold he was in last year… much more under control. IMO his biggest failure so far this season is letting the likes of Jason Thompson and JJ Hickson beast him for offensive rebounds constantly.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Nov 17, 2009 11:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He dominated when he played in the 4th quarter….
by Bellringer21 on Nov 18, 2009 2:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or if Nellis is just trying to humiliate him for some personal mind-games sort of reason.
He’s simply doing a garbage job that he hopes will result in 2 things:
1. He gets fired and goes back and chills in Maui while collecting 12 million over 2 years.
2. He allows Wilkens to keep his record and retires in Maui forever.
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by JustSomeName on Nov 19, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Basically a trade demand like Jackson’s without making it public but by doing a garbage job as head coach.
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by JustSomeName on Nov 19, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure why Chicago agrees to this
Their current strategy has been to save for the 2010 market, hence why Ben Gordon was let go, Tyrus Thomas hasn’t been signed to an extension, and Hinrich was shopped during the summer. On top of that, this leaves Chicago with a long-term backcourt of Rose and Ellis, and I’m sure neither wants to spend it guarding twos.
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by Ben R on Nov 17, 2009 11:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Would the bulls be interested in?
A swap of our expirings for Deng saying they were like number 7 in the east or lower.
by Oracle Junkie on Nov 17, 2009 11:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
more likely hinrich
but as it stands… they may not be able to offer max money if they don’t dump 1 of them. They are at 37/38 mil under contracts for next year. New cap projects are around 50-53 mil. They can be out offered by Miami + possibly houston + NYC/NJN and others…
by tafkasam on Nov 18, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With the way Joakim Noah is playing/maturing
I think they’d prefer to dump deng/hinrich if it insured them a run @ bosh/amare.
Maybe a package of Buike (3 mil) + Speedy + Raja 4 deng would work? I doubt they’d do straight expirings…. but that move along would clear 8 mil in space for them and give them the necessary cap room to get Bosh. Rose, Buike, Salmons, Bosh, Noah. Bench- Hinrich, Gibson, draft pick, Pargo. Not bad at all
by tafkasam on Nov 18, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the trade
We NEED to trade (or fire) Nelson and Rowell !!!
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by JEFFSJAZZ on Nov 18, 2009 2:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hell no!
When has Hinrich ever been a good defender? There’s got to be a better deal than this.
by Oakland Warriors on Nov 18, 2009 10:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Doctor Kajita on Nov 18, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you not see him play against the Celtics in the postseason? He’s a very good defender.
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by Doctor Kajita on Nov 18, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In my eyes he’s an average defender.
by Oakland Warriors on Nov 18, 2009 10:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Your eyes are deceiving you then.
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by Doctor Kajita on Nov 18, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HAHA
Okay, I won’t be a d*ck about it. To each his own, right?
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by Doctor Kajita on Nov 18, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty interesting trade idea… I think that’s probably the closest switch for equivalent talent out there. Would certainly help our defense, wouldn’t really hurt our rebounding, and Hinrich’s a better passer than Monta. We’d also get slightly younger, which is nice. We do take on the nastiest contract of the four, however. Pretty well-balanced.
It’s also an interesting “challenge” trade… Hinrich and Maggette are veterans whose performances are very stable and similarly valuable, so you’re essentially betting Deng’s future against Monta’s future. Both Deng and Monta are 25. Both guys have had one really good star-level season marked by unusually efficient jump-shooting. Each has since failed to live up to that season, due to injuries and other factors… both guys will be overpaid unless they get their games back up to that level. Both guys are still developing new facets to their games — Deng has upped his rebounding to a notable degree this year, while Monta is passing better than in years past. Each guy carries considerable upside and considerable risk; it’s not yet 100% clear how good these guys really are or will be. The best may be yet to come; we may have already seen their career years. It basically comes down to which guy you see more in.
Gun to my head, I think I’d pick Deng. He has the worse contract and is the biggest injury risk, but at his best, he’s a good player who holds down the fort at his position, no asterisks needed. There are more fundamental question marks about Monta’s value. While he’s been trying hard and exceeding some expectations, he is not making the clear case that he’s a viable point guard. If he’s not, he’s a two who can and will get posted up by bigger twos… most good teams have tall twos that can post up. In a playoff series, Monta puts you at something of a strategic disadvantage in a way that Deng doesn’t. They’re players of similar value, but I think Deng’s game plays better at the highest levels of the game, and the goal is to get to those levels.
So I’d probably do the trade. Of course, Chicago probably wouldn’t, and if they did, it’d indicate a lack of faith in Deng’s future that would make me second-guess wanting him in the first place. It’s a very close trade. Smart proposal.
by onlxn on Nov 18, 2009 11:24 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
onlxn, do you mind if I repost your post on another forum? Credits will be given to you and I will post link as well to this thread.
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by Doctor Kajita on Nov 18, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, feel free. (Just what the Web needs, more of my blabbing!)
by onlxn on Nov 18, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks. Your blabbing makes the day go by faster :)
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by Doctor Kajita on Nov 18, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Doc, Heard anything on the injury status of Beans and Ronny?
by Oakland Warriors on Nov 18, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No I haven’t. Last I heard, Biedrins is closer to return than Turiaf? Or is it the other way around?
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by Doctor Kajita on Nov 18, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Think its the other way around.
by MO-ped MO-problems on Nov 19, 2009 12:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i still think chicago would prefer monta + expirings for the pair
or someway to get cap relief. Next year they can’t offer max money. but if they free up 6+ mil of cap space they will be able to offer max to whoever (presumably Bosh is option #1 as I don’t see dwade or lebron going).
by tafkasam on Nov 18, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree.
The trade is good as constructed, especially if Ellis is going to become a distraction if he stays here, but I think Chicago would be more interested in getting some cap relief than taking on Maggette’s contract.
The only question would be if they would really take Ellis and just pass on taking a chance of signing Dwade in the offseason.
by ajtrinc on Nov 19, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m keeping an eye on San Antonio. If they suffer more injuries and don’t perform well this year, they may be interested in acquiring Monta and a first round draft pick. They’ll be moving toward rebuilding. Maybe Manu will be available for Monta. He’d be excellent off the bench for them and during an Parker injuries.
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by Naticus2 on Nov 20, 2009 12:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Manu is getting old and injury prone, I wouldn’t see why we would need to include the first rounder for him. Also wouldn’t see why we’d give up Ellis and get nothing in return. The front office has done worse deals though……
by ajtrinc on Nov 20, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rebuilding the Spurs...
Now there is something I’d like to see. It will be interesting to see how they handle that transition. They can’t go much longer without a pretty major overhaul, but I don’t think it will be this season IMHO.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Nov 20, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They have some interesting peices abroad....
NBA Rights held. Tony Parker is only 27, Jefferson 29
by tafkasam on Nov 25, 2009 9:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute
After losing Jackson, if we give up Magette and Ellis, who will our ball hog be?
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by Goofus on Nov 20, 2009 5:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i say we keep monta who could be a star and get rid of nelson
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by 07 playoff push on Nov 21, 2009 2:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
dont trade ellis for a scrub
i originally posted nov. 11
Be careful what you wish for… Trade Ellis he will shine somewhere else. He will post T. Hardaway, Issah Thomas numbers soon. Curry should be on second team and start only against smaller teams. Didnt Iverson make the finals one year so I dont mind the comparison talent wise(not the whole me first attitude but more Jordan type attitude). We need a quality big, with the versatility of AR I dont mind a C or PF. Trade Mags or Jackson with Watson and expiring contract for mid talent big. Also didnt the pistons win a Chapionship with a small back court. Also im thing more and more buke should be starting. If we trade Ellis packaged with someone else he better be an all star!
by 22goose on Nov 21, 2009 9:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Trade Mags or Jackson with Watson and expiring contract for mid talent big
Have you been keeping up? Jackson was traded last week…
WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...
by JustSomeName on Nov 22, 2009 4:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Refering to trading monte.
Yeah that was posted originally nov. 10th. Im just pointing out the fact that Ellis will blow up with either one gone and to trade Ellis would be a big mistake. The last two games have given a glimpse of the future!
by 22goose on Nov 24, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
have you changed your mind yet?
love seeing these supposed monta haters come flocking back.
by vinchenzy on Nov 25, 2009 3:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
LOL
That’s the only reason I opened this post was to see who still wanted to trade Monta after his two monster games. Looks like it’s been nothing but crickets and the wind since then.
by VERY VERY BUSY on Nov 25, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hi
Welcome to Golden State of Mind, where everyday some random_warrior_fan_01 thinks of a trade that will bring us a championship in the next 8 hours.
Thats why most of the stuff on here, with all do respect, is unreadable. I mean opinions are opinions, but when they are so extremely uninformed, idiotic, and sometimes… just plain impossible…like how are you supposed to reply to it? You just can’t.
Like how do you tell a 3 year old Santa doesn’t exist?
Brutal.
by sjboy on Nov 27, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brilliant!
trade talent for the talentless! Brilliant! Sounds like a Chris Cohan move to me, this trade will probably happen soon….
by ewil1321 on Nov 27, 2009 3:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Isnt it funny
That people make fun of Cohan all the time for being a ‘bad’, but when you come in here and read more then 1 thread you come to the swift conclusion of:
HYPOCRITES!!!!!!!
haha
by sjboy on Nov 27, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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