I wasn’t being sarcastic, Wright does have a post up game.

Amen. Randolph is once again showing that a player’s rebounding is one of the more consistent aspects of the game. Barring injury, good rebounders rebound well.

FWIW, despite the rather poor shooting, he’s still more efficient scoring than he was last year, entirely because he’s finding his way to the line twice as often and connecting almost every time he gets there. This is a very good thing if it’s not just a short term anomaly.

and If i recall he was 25 by time he went to sacramento, already a 20/10 guy who (if i’m not mistaken) was already an all star. It’d be like if we suddenly got Bosh present form..

Webber also was 1 of the best high post passers i’ve ever seen. He led sacrmento in assists

They basically gave Webber the ball in the high post near the elbow and Webber could shoot that elbow jumper pretty well, or he could drive past his man for the layup, or dish it to a cutting player for an easy two. I am sick of Randolph setting a screen and rolling to the basket and never getting the ball.

As others kind of addressed…not such a good idea. Right now, Randolph cannot shoot that elbow jumper well. He has some ability to drive past his guy for a layup, assuming there’s no help and he doesn’t turn it over with his inconsistent ball handling. He simply cannot pass like Webber. Randolph is average 1.1 assist per 36 minutes right now. That stat might be a little misleading, if someone wants to argue that I don’t have a problem with it, but the general takeaway is Randolph is not ready to pass the ball at a high level right now, or even an average level for a big man.

So yeah, overall, Randolph is not capable of doing any of those things Webber did at an adequate level for our offense….

Yes. I have. And he’s rebounding well. Quite well.

1.1 assist per 36 minutes. That’s….not a lot, to say the least…

Is he’s too young. His decisions are unsound on both ends for two simple reasons; A complete lack of experience, and an unrealistic precedent of outrageous self-expectation.

His athleticism could be the biggest curse in his development or his biggest strength. It allows him to succeed with the absence of skills to a certain degree. Unfortunately they allow him to succeed on a consistent enough rate to distribute an overabundance of confidence in this ability. Without a matured mind that can read the blueprints needed to become a better player, he will continue to rely on undernourished skills and overpraised ability.

Fortunately Randolph doesn’t seem like a dumb man, but very stubborn. It was relieving to hear him say himself how much of a prat he was last year, and how he wants to work at being better. Nobody can deny him of practicing what he preached in the off-season to do just that. I don’t ever see him as being a classic back-to-basket scoring big man. I see him similar to a Chris Webber as a guy who initiates the majority of his offense from the elbow. Randolph just sets horrible screens. It infuriates me watching him out there a lot of times.

He’s very much into his agenda of “proving what I can do to these people who aren’t as good(”athletic") as me". He has the “Jackson effect” on offense, just scores with much less efficiency. Somebody besides Don Nelson needs to take him by the head and shake him around a bit. I think Nelson could turn it into another bad situation if he rides him too hard. But when the smoke clears, I think he will turn out to be one hell of a player and I’m excited that he’s a Warrior. He’s proved to have what it takes to improve, and that is what’s important, not what he’s doing in the league at 20 years old.

Yup, and a contributing factor to Randolph’s “Maggette syndrome” is the inconsistent minutes that Don is giving to him so I think he’s just trying to do everything he can while he’s on the court because once he sits, who knows when he’ll get back in.

Garnett at 20, Odom at 20 were much more developed players. Or atleast in control players

We technically drafted Carter, but we never had a real shot to get him. The Raptors didn’t give us that chance.

Jamison is an ok rebounder. As a 3, he’s quite good, but not more than average (and sometimes rather below) as a 4. Jamison is ideal only if you’re willing to near-completely sacrifice defense at the position. His three point shot has varied a bit, but it’s hovered a bit below average. He should take it if he’s got a good look, but the 4 or 5 attempts he takes per night over the past few years is more than his success rate warrants.

The ideal PF for the Warriors would be one who can rebound ridiculously well and has the sort of interior game that when he touched the ball anywhere near the basket, he could put a move on someone to score most of the time. This notion that the Warriors need something different in their PF than the rest of the league is part of the problem. The gimmicks are what you employ because you don’t have the ideal, but it’s dangerous when you start to consider the gimmicks as what you’re striving for.

In fairness to Randolph, is numbers have improved this year, for the most part. Rebounding is up slightly. Scoring is up. Shooting efficiency is up. Blocks are down, might have something to do with his worse foul rate, but that’s just a guess on my part. I think we should be looking for improvement from him as the season goes on, and if we don’t see it, that’s a bad sign…but so far it does look like there’s some improvement.

Mismatch 4 in d’antoni’s running style. He never had an outside shot to play 3. There ball handling is comparable (atleast when you consider age). And both rebound very well….

the biggest difference is Marion could guard perimter, Randolph can’t. Maybe he can 1 day but I doubt it. He’s 6-11 thats an extremely tough thing to ask a guy to guard guys who r 6-7 and can drive

And has that “bad guy” label that we’re working so desperately to get rid of.

 I’d be hardpressed not to jump a deal for him as he’s miles better than randolph, and potentially Randolph will ever be. He has become a much more efficient scorer which is maturity in my opinion. Hopefully Randolph can do that too, but there i no garentee… Smith passes the ball better, handles the ball better, drives the lane better, shoots better. In short does EVERYTHING better. The worst thing he used to do was fall in love w/ 18 footers all day and it seems last year and this year (so far) he’s grown out of it…

He’s also an a very good defender. the kind of guy who will elevate his teammates in my opinion. His rebounding is better than anything we have at 4.

And you’re right he isnt GREAT, but he’s alot better than randolph, and assuming AR4 will make that jump is no given I just worry he’ll flop AND we’ll get nothing value wise.

I also have hope Bwright may come back 20 lbs heavier and with a newly steroid induced aggression (lol ok last part is a joke).

is just what the Warriors need. THe guy blocks shot, is athletic as heck and in an up-tempo game, we’d see his amazing dunks many times a game. He’d also jack up 3 pt shots with the Warriors so he’d better get better.

How quick you are to insult intelligence. Feel free to stop reading posts and jump to conclusions. Nellie runs a motion offense which is highly dependent on the fast break. After the fast break is over what is the set plays you see. There is a high post pick and roll, and an isolation. As far as I can tell that it not a set play.

Go back to when we had Pietrus, Richardson, Baron and you will see their comments about Nelson’s “system” in which they talk about no set plays, only set spots. For instance Pietrus was instructed that when Baron drives he is to find one of two spots on the floor to stand looking for an outlet. Once again this is NOT a set play.

So far this year I have seen less use of set plays because of the Beidrins being out. At least with him in they would use the corner lob to a streaking Biedrins. The only set play I have seen have been on inbounds, or 1 of 2 set plays designed to try to free up Morrow. Other than that Nellie tries to use motion and separation (spreading the floor) to open up driving lanes.

So once again, SET PLAYS, may be a loose word thrown around here, but Nellie is not using an abundance of SET PLAYS.

So

Damn we need a post player…bad.

Stats don’t mean a damn thing if we’re not winnin.

Stats can indicate why we are not winning, if examined correctly.

He is quick and has good handles. Quick=athletic. BUT his game is not athletic in terms of finishing as opposed to Diddy or say Westbrook and Monta.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen Marion post up a single time in my life…

I think Biedrins and Randolph can definitely coexist on the court together, especially in a post-Nelson era. A future rotation of Randolph/Wright/Biedrins/Turiaf at the 4/5 (when healthy) still has me salivating.

It got old like last year…

I think I would take Beasley over Hibbert because of potential. We all see the potential in Beasley. I don’t get why they are playing him full time at PF as he was more efficient last year as a small forward (and some as a mismatch PF when going smaller) .

In generally I don’t get what Spoelstra is doing there, as everyone including Dwayne Wade has been very inefficient/static offensively. In general they’ve been ugly (I watch alot of heats games…DWade is on my fantasy team)

The difference is why Beasley I’ve seen a much MUCH more refined game than Randolph. With Randolph we see RAW potential, which may or may not get better. With Beasley, I see alot of mistakes, but I also see some great basketball skill, post moves, jumper, etc. And that’s not to say he doesn’t have a LONG LONG way to go, but I see more basketball ability as opposed to insane athletism

It goes to show how bad our team needs talent. We’ve constantly dumped 2nd round picks the last couple years. A smart GM would’ve put them to good use. Unfortunately our GM’s like to go bargain hunting at the dollar store.