Was Jackson holding Monta back from his full potential?
by Belinelli's the savior on Nov 21, 2009 12:40 PM PST
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Dont get me wrong Stephen Jackson was a key piece of the Warriors franchise for the past few years, but how he dominated the ball while he was with the warriors could have been holding Monta back from more performance like last night vs the Blazers. Now with Jackson gone it seems so far that Monta does to a certain extent feel that the wins and loses for this team derectly come back to him because he is the best player on the team and it is now his team. For example, when Jackson was on the team people on the team saw him as the leader and when you leader stays on the offensive end complaining about a call and the other team has a 4 on 5 cause Jackson doesnt come back to the defensive end, the rest of the players do not put as much emphasis on defense. IT STARTS WITH THE BEST PLAYER.
Now that it is Monta's team and he realizes that he has to do everything he can in order for the team to win, it seems he is willing to do whatever it takes. He is obviously taking more pride in his defense and getting to show his whole game because he is getting to handle the ball more now that Jackson is gone. Honestly if Monta can make the same effort on the defensive end that he did with Roy on a nightly basis I feel that makes him one of the Top five guards in the Western Conference.
This Brings up another point i have been thinking about, I know the Blazers are going to have a better record then the Warriors most likley at the All Star Break but Monta is a better player than Roy if he can play defense like that. I do not see why he cant because its all in his quickness, and quickness usually does not have any off nights. Monta Ellis dominated Brandon Roy in every aspect of the game last night and everyone knows that Roy is probably already a shoo in for the All Star game this year. It just showed last night that Monta at his best is definantly better then Roy at his best even though it was not his best last night. So i really hope that Monta Ellis has turned a corner is his career and grown up and will give his all on a nightly basis, and if he does i also hope he will get some recognition around the league for with a couple of All Star Games in his career.
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I think Jackson was holding Monta back. Basically, jackson took the ball every possession and never gave monta the chance to what he can do. (Pass, shoot, create for others)
by iFresh on Nov 21, 2009 12:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Jack is a cancer...
sometimes under control (with Baron/Barnes/Al), other times in remmition (we believe push). Without a remedy, Jack started spreading his cancer to the rest of the team.
With the cancer gone, we are free to experience Monta, The Anthony’s and all the others….and even the coaching of Don Nelson.
by streetballer on Nov 22, 2009 8:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Monta deferred to Jack, I don’t know if he held him back. What Jack’s leaving has done has created a less negative atmosphere and don’t quit mindset while allowing for more efficient players like Maggette, Morrow & Curry to control possessions.
I like to watch Monta’s game a whole lot more than Roy’s (effective, but boring), but just b/c Monta matched up well to Roy doesn’t mean that Roy doesn’t match up better to the rest of the league.
W’s matched up great against the Mavs even in the Dunleavy & Murphy days. Against the rest of the league, not so much.
Fans here seem to go on this roller coaster ride of emotions game by game instead of keeping things in it’s proper perspective.
by homer simpson on Nov 21, 2009 12:55 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Yes
Monta is an all star caliber player and jack took the ball out of his hands. I don’t want to bring Maggs into it but I think if we got an upgrade or a defender in his place Monta would become dominate. Maggs and our 1st rounder for Caron Butler? Or Maggs for Kenny Thomas and Udoka? But I’m fine if Maggs stays.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
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by dubzfan on Nov 21, 2009 1:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ellis has always had the ball in his hands
The change here is in attitude and approach to the game. He really looks like a different player since Jackson left. I’m pretty excited because it’s in both Ellis’ and the Warriors’ best interest to make this work.
by eastbayglory on Nov 21, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wow wow
I love Monta and he’s definitely all-star talent, but let’s calm down with “he’s better than Roy” and etc.
by Am22mO on Nov 21, 2009 1:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
in eastern conference he's a set for all-star game, in western he will
need to prove that he can be a leader night in and night out.
by Am22mO on Nov 21, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
Your saying that Ellis can be a top 4 guard in the East. I don’t think he’s better than Rajon Rondo, Dwyane Wade, Joe Johnson, Derrick Rose, Devin Harris, etc. Those guys are better than Ellis, so I doubt he would be an all star there.
by DubsFan408 on Nov 21, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh no...
Monta Ellis is definitely better than Derrick Rose.[We should have a poll for that]
Beside Rajon Rondo and Gilbert Arenas,there are no other elite PG for the Eastern Conference.
Monta can easily be 2nd string All-Star or even starting PG.
by Cpt. Jack in the Box on Nov 21, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jameer Nelson, Rajon Rondo, BRANDON JENNINGS (if your basing him on stats), Gilbert Arenas, Jose Calderon are all better PG than Ellis (I think Rose and Harris is still better than Ellis). Monta Ellis to me is still a SG, but that’s just my opinion.
by DubsFan408 on Nov 21, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Give him time...
he’s really stepping up his PG skills.
by Cpt. Jack in the Box on Nov 21, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know Monta is developing as a PG and he’s getting better at it, but saying he’s an all star PG in the west or the east is false. I still think Stephen Curry is the W’s best PG as of now, but we’re going to have to see what happens in the next couple of months.
by DubsFan408 on Nov 21, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jameer Nelson? Jennings has all of 9 games worth of stats, let’s relax on the small sample size here….
by Missing Barry on Nov 21, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jameer...
Well he did have one heck of a season before getting injured last year. He put together 42 very solid games at PG (19pts 6.2ast per 36 with a .612 TS%). So far this year he’s off to a slower start, but if you are talking about the PG position he is still more proven than Monta at this point IMO. That’s not to say that Monta can’t end up the much better player. We’ll see if Monta can continue to perform anything like he did last night.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Nov 21, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
D'oh...
Just saw the extensive debate below. Didn’t mean to wonder in this late in the discussion.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Nov 21, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rose has sucked this year. SO right now i'd say Ellis is better.
Jameer is hurt, so I think I’d rather have Ellis too.
Do you really want Gilbert or Jose over Monta? I sure as hell don’t. Even if you think Monta is solely a SG.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
by kenntoe on Nov 21, 2009 6:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And don't forget, Rondo gets to play with 3 unselfish, team oriented, hall of famers...
So I don’t know if he is actually a better player then Moped.
by freerandolph on Nov 22, 2009 1:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Except It’s not done solely by PG – it’s done as G (if you look at their sets and where the PG is supposed to be in those sets, Monta technically plays SG most of the time).
by homer simpson on Nov 22, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Monta >>> Harris
He’s probably about even with Rose at this point.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
by dubzfan on Nov 21, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rose hasn't been himself so far this year.
Actually he’s been disappointing.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
by kenntoe on Nov 21, 2009 6:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you forgot jameer nelson. if he’s healthy, i’d take jameer in a heartbeat. i can’t believe no one has brought him up. he’s been amazing. i just wish he could stay healthy.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Nov 21, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jameer?Over Monta?
Seriously the only thing he can do is shoot at a very efficient rate.
by Cpt. Jack in the Box on Nov 21, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
more efficient than monta ever did, and he’s a better passer, defender (last night notwithstanding) and runs and offense better. where’s the debate?
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Nov 21, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
better passer?I don't think so...
his career assist/to ratio is 4.5 to 2,not really superior.
Monta just needs time to adjust,and do you remember Monta shooting 53% during the 07-08 season?
His career percentage is %48.5, very efficient as well.
As for defense,I don’t know who’s better because I haven’t seen Jameer Nelson play a lot.
by Cpt. Jack in the Box on Nov 21, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
his career assist/to ratio is 4.5 to 2,not really superior.
certainly superior to 3.9 to 2.5 (monta’s career rate per 36).
and before going down with that injury last year, jameer was posting a ridiculous .612 TS%, which factors in his 3pt attempts and ability to get to the line. monta’s career best was .580 and he hasn’t come close to hitting that total in any other year. jameer’s career high was his best by a fair margin too, but he’s been well above average in a couple other years as well. you can’t say that about monta.
you can say “if monta figures out how to play the point” all you want. jameer has already proven he can do it and do it at a very high level. the guy is a great player. i do expect monta to learn the point fairly well, too, but he hasn’t done it yet. monta could be the better player soon, but right now, he isn’t.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Nov 21, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Having the talent around him Jameer did only helps a little bit…
by Missing Barry on Nov 21, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it doesn’t help enough to discount how great he’s been. if anything, that talent just overshadows his fantastic all-around game because he’s not a volume scorer. he’s the real deal.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Nov 21, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jameer now is better
But who would you rather build around? I’d take ME8 over Jameer, even though he is still very good I think you underrate Monta’s overall skill level.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
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by dubzfan on Nov 21, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it’s a coin flip for me as far as who i’d rather build around. monta has the potential to be better, but jameer has been phenomenal at this point in his career.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Nov 21, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, I’d still like to see a couple of these guys (mostly Rondo and Nelson) surrounded by a cast that puts them into a much bigger role, where the defense focuses on them. On the Magic, everyone’s focused so much on Dwight, plus all the shooters they have, it really lets Nelson pick and choose his spots and keeps the defense from keying in on him at all. Rondo is the same boat. Not saying these guys aren’t good, but I’m suspicious of what they’d be able to accomplish without the same supporting cast.
by Missing Barry on Nov 21, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i can see the doubt in rondo’s offensive game, the man doesn’t have a jump shot. making him the focus of your offense would be stupid, but that doesn’t take away from him as a passer, defender and rebouner. he’s great in those areas.
i think you’re underestimating how great jameer is offensively, though. he can shoot from anywhere, find the open man and run an offense very well. having his supporting cast helps, but he’d be an efficient, capable scorer in any system. i really like his game.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Nov 21, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well basing it off stats Ellis is better, but I think Nelson is better. Better handles, shooting efficiency is better (Ellis takes a bunch of shots to get his points if you haven’t notice), passer, etc. Of course Ellis’ stats are better, Nelson’s team have a bunch of all stars (Rashard Lewis, Dwight Howard, Vince Cartter) along with bench players like Pietrus and Barnes.
by DubsFan408 on Nov 21, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well basing it off stats Ellis is better
nelson’s stats are way better. outside of PPG and rebounding (marginal edge to monta), jameer has the edge pretty much everywhere
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Nov 21, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
changing Monta for Jameer would be making a move, just to make a move. I don’t see that much of a difference on impact for the team. I think Monta could carry us better because we don’t know how good Jameer could be without an All-NBA bigman. So yea, I’d say NO to a Jameer for Monta swap.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
by kenntoe on Nov 21, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Monta >Nelson
Monta led all guards in field goal efficiency in his last full season (2007-2008) shooting at a 53% clip from the field. Good enough for 14th best in the league n trailing only to power forwards n centers. Also, he became the 9th guard in league history to shoot 60% from the field for an entire month during the same season… he did this while averaging 26 ppg on the month. He’s the man.
by Krazee max on Nov 30, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Monta is an All-Star in either Conference
Ellis is a better, more dominant player than either Derrick Rose, Devin Harris, Joe Johnson, n definitely Rajon Rondo. I think he’s more on the level of Dwyane Wade, but with a higher ceiling. Ellis has the deeper offensive repertoire at his disposal. He has like 1,000 moves to score. Monta’s playing in his first All-Star game this year n finishing the season number 1 in scoring. You’ll see.
by Krazee max on Nov 29, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
its really been imprived paly for the least 3 games and 3 of the best teams in the league. Looking at the schedule he will have plenty to show this next week.
by crab dribble cocktail on Nov 21, 2009 5:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he's not better than Roy
yet.
Wait until next month at the least to make a decision. Monta’s game has blossomed since Jack’s departure, I’ll admit that but not to the level of Roy’s.
by Richboievans on Nov 21, 2009 1:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I know its one game but..
Roy cant score as easily as monta, and now monta is getting people involved and maybee starting to play defense.
I mean hes got to keep it up but if he does i dont see why he cant be better than roy
by Belinelli's the savior on Nov 21, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roy > Ellis
Brandon Roy is just better. Ellis out played him yesterday, but that doesn’t mean he’s better. Look what Roy does for his team: made them a top 4 team in the west, gives them positive leadership, hits clutch shots, etc. Roy is a better PG and SG than Ellis is and has the size to support both positions. Don’t get me wrong Ellis is a good player too and he’s going to have a bright future, but at the end of the day I’ll take Roy.
by DubsFan408 on Nov 21, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I Have to Disagree
He might be a better shooting guard as of now, but Roy is not a better PG than Ellis
by Jayd92009 on Nov 21, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
either
You have not seen Monta Ellis play,
or
You have not seen Brandon Roy play,
or
You should NEVER be a GM…
by freerandolph on Nov 22, 2009 1:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To add to freerandolph’s point.
Career, Roy 5.1 assists to 1.9 turnovers. Monta is 3.6 to 2.3 turnovers.
This yr Monta is 5.4 to 3.2. so his A:T ratio is still well under 2 and close to Jackson’s 6.5 assists and 3.9 turnovers last year. Unless you also think Jackson > Roy at PG, you’re clearly biased toward Monta Ellis (or if you do think Jack is better then you’re biased towards Warrior players).
by homer simpson on Nov 22, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To add once more
Watching Roy play (if you’re rooting for his team) is usually a very satisfying event. He plays patiently and under control. He gets his team mates involved. He scores. He plays good defense.
Even when Monta plays well I don’t think he is yet at that caliber, where he just looks good out there! Of course I did miss the last game, where Monta supposedly put together the whole package.
by freerandolph on Nov 22, 2009 8:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stats in assists and turnovers
do not describe anything to me as to how good a pg is. stats can maybe define a shooting guard but not a pg. Do you know how many x factors and variables are hidden within those stats?
by Jayd92009 on Nov 22, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
whatever. it’s your prerogative to stay clueless if you’d like.
if you don’t want to believe the stats and what has historically been the stats of all PGs, i’ll talk about your X factors. Monta doesn’t even run the basics of PG play ball-screen correctly. He misreads situations except when the defender goes under, doesn’t know how to go off the pick often allowing defenders to squeeze the pick and he rarely splits the hedge. He doesn’t run a team well – he calls too many iso sets and doesn’t understand situations very well. in other words he doesn’t know what to run & how to get guys looks based on the look that the defense is giving him. for the most part, all he does is make a 1-read on ball screen and a simple drive & kick. it’s hard to have a lot of variety & movement in your offense when your PG play is so limited with a SG running the point along with a rookie.
by homer simpson on Nov 23, 2009 12:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it was a great game, but let’s check back in a couple months to see how much better monta is when it’s “his” team. jack may have been keeping him from playing up to his potential, but last night doesn’t prove that. he had great games when jack was around too. i want to see him string a few more of those together before making any real calls about that.
and Richboievans is right- brandon roy is one of the NBA’s best players and monta isn’t there at this point. it was nice to see monta control that game the way he did, but let’s not throw him in roy’s class just yet. roy’s proven it game in and game out. monta beat him in one game. this was a promising showing from monta. let’s hope he keeps it going.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Nov 21, 2009 1:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
im not saying after one game he is better then Roy
but with monta speed and quickness there is a lot of potential and options for the future. Im just saying Roy will never have that quickness, that doesnt mean Roy is not better. Its just Monta has the most important thing for a basketball that can not be taught : increible quickness
by Belinelli's the savior on Nov 21, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this is the quote that threw me off:
It just showed last night that Monta at his best is definantly better then Roy at his best
i do see where you’re coming from though. monta does have physical gifts that roy doesn’t, but roy is an underrated athlete with the size to D up 2 guards. based on physical attributes alone, monta isn’t that much better than roy, and that’s before you get to the BBIQ…
anyway, great performance from monta last night. we’re all hoping he makes it a trend.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Nov 21, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Monta says he talks to Jack every day
I think he walks a fine line between not pissing off his friend by being too much in Nellie’s camp and being the best Warrior he can be. When (hopefully) his relationship with Jackson fades, he will have an easier time demonstrating a good relationship with management and his team. Now, if the press can just get off his back…
Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
by fotd on Nov 21, 2009 3:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
THAT right there...is what bothers me the most...
Stephen Jackson is no role model for any inspiring young player and unfortunately…it seems Jackson has suddenly become Monta’s mentor….
Someone….Turiaf….Bell, I dont know who…but someone needs to really befriend Monta and steer him away from the black hole…as we know in our physics classes….anything that gets anywhere near a black hole gets sucked in….
As I mentioned elsewhere…. Monta’s seperation or detatchment from his colleagues is a real concern for me…he is never smiling it seems and high fiving his collagues with any enthusiasm…my fear is that hi mind is already made up and Jackson has told him to play his heart out in order to get traded to a great team, rather than what happened to him…
Therefore…until I hear otherwise… I suspect Monta is showcasing himself for his own benefit right now and not so much for the good of this team….
I will be gladly proven wrong….but I have a nasty suspicion that this sudden recharged Ellis has more to do with who will want him elsewhere…rather than leading this team and making it ‘his’ franchise per say, like Baron did..
GSOM Blog Beast!
by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 21, 2009 5:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it
Ellis hasn’t actually said he wants out. Ever.
by Jayd92009 on Nov 21, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can imagine Monta hanging with Al and Jack in the off-season, drinking and bad-mouthing everything Warriors. I can imagine Monta going along with two older and more dominant personalities and not protesting much. I can imagine Monta feeling uncomfortable saying too much in public good about Nellie now – it would make him feel like a hypocrit.
But I can also imagine Monta playing fun and good BB with his young Warrior team and increasingly feeling like he can be part of something special that is new. WE BELIEVE is yesterday. When Monta learns to trust his team, I am hoping his old BFFs call less. Hanging more with current team mates is what a good Captain would do. Monta is still a kid. I think, with some on-court success, he will get there. But I’m sure having TK and others asking him daily whether his alliegence is with Jackson, or Nelson, is NOT helping.
Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
by fotd on Nov 21, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What happened to Baron as a mentor?
I wonder if Monta talks to him?
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
by dubzfan on Nov 21, 2009 7:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do some Warriors fans think Baron is a positive influence? Baron Davis is one of the last people in the entire NBA you want to be mentoring young guys – there aren’t many players with his history of attitude problems.
by Missing Barry on Nov 22, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
& why do some Warrior fans create stuff out of thin air?
Can you point out who here said Baron was a positive influence?
GSOM Blog Beast!
by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 22, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What happened to Baron as a mentor?
by Missing Barry on Nov 22, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AND?
How do you get “Baron is a positive influence” from “What happened to Baron as a mentor?”
It seemed like a question to me, followed by another wondering if he talks to him? But no one said that he was a positive influence. Yet you made a comment deriding “some Warrior fans”, when you could have simply asked – “Why ask about Baron? – Do you think he is a good influence as a mentor?”
If you simply stick to what people have written when responding, then people dont have to turn round and say “where the hell did he get that from?”
It’s fair to say that of late I have taken an interest into some of your comments due to our recent dialogues and I have noticed you have a tendancy to create things or create assumption from what someone may have said rather than actually ask them “did you mean X?”. You will find you get a completely different response from the majority when you do this, rather than make a statement back to someone that does not actually reflect what they may have actually said.
Out of genuine interest, roughly how old are you? In your 20’s? I’m just curious.
GSOM Blog Beast!
by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 22, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m ok with getting a different response – they’re free to correct me if they feel their views are misrepresented. Sometimes it’s simply to make a statement on the subject as opposed to being a direct response to the persons comment – anyways, if dubzfan has something to say about it, he’s welcome to chime in.
by Missing Barry on Nov 22, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and your age roughly?
I am seriously interested. Not exact..just teens, 20’s, 30’s..? I am in my 30’s and I am curious how old you are…
GSOM Blog Beast!
by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 23, 2009 3:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Getting a little personal here, aren’t we? ;)
by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Being a evasive aren't we?
I have no issue with age, if you do and wish to hide your age, no problem at all. I was just simply curious.
GSOM Blog Beast!
by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 23, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Creepy much?
This is a basketball blog. I can’t see any reason why you’d be asking Missing Barry’s age, especially considering the consistent high quality of his posts here. If you are trying to insinuate that he is immature, I think you are way off. Either way it’s coming off as a little weird.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Nov 23, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Mike....but why is that creepy?
and again with suspicions and acusations of “insinuation”…now I know some of you chaps like to stick tgether..but this is a little riddiculous.
I was merely curious as to which generation he was from…..Hell it might be older than you! but persons writing style often reflects which generation your from.
So thanks for the insertion and the false accusation…always a pleasure!
What I do find hillarious how such a simple question suddenly becomes “Oooooooooo…whay is he asking that…what is he up to….” very funny.
it’s really not that big of a deal…sorry such a simple question is …“.just…no….I dont understand it…..just…too…why is heasking…there must be an alterior motive…is he……is he the Blog CIA????…thats …just weird…”.
and yes I am taking the piss now…
GSOM Blog Beast!
by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 23, 2009 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But just to put a formal reason down why you might ask...
Someones age…. SB Nation has an age criteria. We know Mike Fox is way below that age criteria because someone asked him.
So no…its really not that wierd at all unless your trying to create some foul play in you rown mind..but trust me..thats the only place it is.
Oh and the “high quality of posts” maybe…just maybe a matter of opinion. You might feel that…others may not. But again…thanks for the input that really wasnt needed.
GSOM Blog Beast!
by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 23, 2009 6:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the input that really wasnt needed.
Sounded weird to me. You don’t have to care, but I thought your might want to know that someone who usually enjoys reading you comments thought you were coming off as weird. No biggie. If you’re not interested in my opinion feel free to ignore it. I won’t take it personally. ; )
But, in case you are interested about what I thought sounded weird…
Out of genuine interest, roughly how old are you? In your 20’s? I’m just curious.
and your age roughly?
I am seriously interested.
Being a evasive aren’t we?
It just seemed like you were pressing him kind of hard on an irrelevant point. If you combine that with your comment in another thread recently…
Immaturity…
Youngsters…i.e. less than 25 years old, have a tendancy to bicker and argue more as they have yet to refine their discussion and diplomacy skills….which unfortunately only comes with age and experience.
and it really did seem like you might have been getting at something in a round about way. I personally don’t think it’s fair to make sweeping statements about the maturity of someone based on their age alone (I fit your age requirement and I obviously am still not mature enough =P ) Apologies if I was off base. Like I said, no big deal.
As for this:
But just to put a formal reason down why you might ask…
Someones age…. SB Nation has an age criteria.
Yeah, I’m aware of that. If you have any real reason to believe that Missing Barry is breaking the SBN TOS I guess you could let the GSoM crew know about it, but I don’t really think that was ever an issue here right?
In the future I’d recommend that you stick to the topic at hand and not be distracted by the possible ages of other posters. Of course that’s just my personal opinion about what would help the level of discourse here so you can feel free to ignore that too. Ether way, have a good one.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Nov 23, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You really spent that much time on this eh?
To go as far to try and link other posts on other threads to this? Interesting to see how much attention you pay to my posts Mike, but really, you need not concern yourself.
I often find that when someone creates as an idea about anothers “suspected” train of thought, it actually says more about them than it does the person they are making an observation about.
Again…was simply curiosity and no matter how you try to conceive a conspiracy here that I may be accusing Barry of being immature….unfortunately it is actually YOU that is way off the mark, but you seem happy with your conspiracy theories.
If as you read as many posts of mine as you say you do, you should know by now that I am not the retiring wall flower of GSOM….therefore if I feel someone is being immature I will say “Would you stop being an immature argumentative (male chicken)”. Also you told me you saw no reason why anyone would ask age, so I gave you a pefectly valid reason of why someone may ask…again…I could care less about someones age for posting on SB Nation….you you asked the question and I answered for you. I gave you MY answer as to why I asked the question, but that was not good enough for you…hey ho! I wont lose much sleep over it.
So here’s my recommendation for you…worry less about what others might be saying to each other or about each other and concentrate more on our own posts. Likewise, try not to read conspiracy into peoples posts, purely and simply because you dont know why someone might be asking a question, it merely saves you the time that you wasted above, which you will never get back in your lfe. Enjoy!
GSOM Blog Beast!
by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 24, 2009 1:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right...
I’ll never get those three minutes of my life back. I’m all broken up about it. : (
I’m not sure if you actually read what I wrote but I wasn’t putting together a “conspiracy theory” just telling you what I saw. Like I said, feel free to choose to ignore my advice (which it appears you did). Doesn’t bother me.
I do think you are one of the more interesting posters here. I really don’t have anything against you, I just thought your line of questioning was inappropriate for this setting.
I’ll just leave it at that. You’d hate for anyone to think we were arguing and bickering like a couple of 24 year olds.
"I could be chasing an untamed ornithoid without cause."
by olympicmike on Nov 24, 2009 8:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ahhhhh to be 24 again....
speaking of which…. where the hell did that last 12 years go?
GSOM Blog Beast!
by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 24, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For the record
it is pretty wierd to ask people their age online.
by VERY VERY BUSY on Nov 25, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i think the warriors are playing with two points on the floor.
Monta and Curry switch off and i think thats best because theyre change of paces. also curry at sg is a no no.
Marco Belinelli's Biggest Fan
by montadaboss on Nov 21, 2009 4:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
As far as Monta developing
One has to remember that he was drafted out of high school. There is a significant difference coming to the nba out of college to coming to the nba from high school. It can take one longer to develop. IMO, Ellis’s growth was hindered by his injury last year, however we will find out this year if Monta can lead this team.
by Jayd92009 on Nov 21, 2009 4:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not really, KG was almost 19 & 10 & 4 by yr 3 and easily 20 & 10 & 4 by yr 4. Even in year 2 he was 17, 8 & 3. Howard was 20 & 14 by yr 4 and a double double machine even in his rookie year. Kobe was averaging about 20 by yr 3, Lebron & Amare were both dominating in their rookie years.
The only guys who didn’t produce are guys who suck/avg or guys who didn’t get minutes.
by homer simpson on Nov 22, 2009 9:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know if it was jackson holding him back...
I think the moped might have been a bigger reason ellis wasnt great last year. haha
by Bleezy88 on Nov 21, 2009 4:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
all we have to do now
is tell maggs to pass the ball
I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck
by chili01 on Nov 22, 2009 12:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ellis not far from an All-Star at all just jumps higher than him
5th year stats: 54.8% FG for mystery guard, a career high by far- 44.3% for Ellis. 3 pt % 30.6 to 46.7 for Ellis. FT % 70.7 to 74.5 for Ellis. 5th year stats: Reb 3.3 Ast 5.8 TO 3.1 to R 4.5 A 5.4 TO 3.2 for Ellis. Points 18.9 to 20.8 for Ellis. Career: FG% 49.0 to 48.5 Ellis 3% mg 31.2 to 29.6 FT mg 72.7 to 76.7 for Ellis career ast: mystery guard 5.6 to 3.6 Ellis reb 3.1 to 3.7 Ellis TO 2.5 mg to 2.3 steals 1.0 to 1.4 for Ellis pts:mg 16.7 to 16.3 for Ellis Evenly matched eh? But why the discrepancy in assists? What makes mystery guard an All-Star and Ellis not? It’s the teammates. For example, Ellis has not had a lock Hall of Famer in the post his whole career like mystery guard has. But lock Hall of Famer is getting old now and defenses will focus more on mystery guard over the next couple years. So among 1s in the West you’re gonna be looking at Williams, Paul, and Ellis by 2012 as Nash fades away and mystery guard’s injuries and heavy ballhandling load wear him out. I guess point guard is pretty loaded in the West, isn’t it? These days, Davis might be mentioned, Billups by some, but they will go the same route as mystery guard soon. The Clippers really paid Davis that much at such an age I’m glad we didn’t. Anyone remember when he was in college? Now that was something to behold. Billups has always been overrated (not to mention an epic cheater) to me and Lawson will be fully breathing down Billups’ neck by next season won’t he Mbenga? While I’m on 2012 Western All-Stars, A Randolph will probably be considered against ‘Karl Malone with hops’, Aldridge, Gasol, and Millsap. (I call Stoudemire to be in the East by then) I don’t trust Nene’s health. That’s just my 222 cents tonight my body clock is on Eastern Time overnight work shift schedule.
by polar on Nov 22, 2009 1:49 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
You ignore that there will be new studs in the league like Jennings & Tyreke Evans this year and John Wall next year (If Wall is legit and he’s in the West, Monta won’t see an all-star game unless he’s the one leading the Warriors to contender status). You ignore that Monta doesn’t play PG on this team. You ignore that all-star voting isn’t PG driven anyway – coaches will pick Roy over Monta b/c he’s carried a team to +50 wins. Tony Parker & Westbrook are going to get consideration over Monta. Don’t forget Rubio will be in this conference as well. Monta’s more in that outside Kevin Martin, Mayo, Eric Gordon group.
by homer simpson on Nov 22, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
great so some guy who has payed a couple of college games
is already better than Monta? Talk about hyperbole to the nth degree. How about we wait until the guy at least gets in the NBA before we annoint him the next great one.
by crab dribble cocktail on Nov 22, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
John Wall is sick. I normally take your stance on these things, but this kid is legit. He’s got special athleticism – the type only a small handful of players in the NBA can match (Lebron, Howard, Wade…and that might be it)…
by Missing Barry on Nov 22, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to say it.
His debut so far has been more impressive than Derrick Rose was in Memphis.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
by kenntoe on Nov 22, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
btw since you have little reading ability (don’t deny it, i clearly paraphrased it with IF). anyway, even if by some miracle Wall turns out not so great, my premise remains the same b/c I’m pretty certain that new young players will emerge in the coming years that are better than Monta. Every generation has it’s superstars and eventually we’ll see the next group.
by homer simpson on Nov 23, 2009 12:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually Monta would be great for the Magic...
All those shots he misses would be almost like assists after Dwight Howard rebounds them and dunks the ball.
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
by cybermaldonado on Nov 22, 2009 9:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Except
The Magic have no assets to attain Monta. Unless you want VC.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
by kenntoe on Nov 22, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Go over to BlazersEdge and read the disgruntledness when it comes to Brandan Roy...
I have always thought B. Roy was a good two to three tiers above Monta Ellis, but is it at all possible that a Ellis + Filler for Brandan Roy deal would not be laughed at by KP?
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Nov 22, 2009 3:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
KP’s too good of a GM to do something like that. fans thoughts on a player after a tough loss and a GM’s thoughts on that player are rarely the same. i’d be thrilled to do a deal like that, but there’s no way portland does it.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Nov 22, 2009 7:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you fine GSoM posters for keeping calm about this Monta vs Roy situation
It would have been easy to jump on the “Ellis is better than Roy!” bandwagon, but the majority of you kept level heads. He played a great game and lead his team to victory. I don’t really care we lost, just glad Oden didn’t get hurt like last season.
by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 23, 2009 11:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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