I'm in a Guessing State of Mind

by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Nov 22, 2009 4:11 PM PST Comment 54 comments

I was doing some research to gain a little perspective on one of our young Warriors to see how his production in limited minutes compares to some of the greats around the league. I thought that this would make for a fun guessing game as well as serve as a nice hiatus from all the proposed Monta trades that have littered the fan posts the past couple weeks. Also, it might open some eyes.

So this is how it works; I am going to post the per 36 minute stats of 6 different players around the league. I want you to try and guess who they are. One of our young warriors will be mixed into the six. Have fun and good luck guessing.

Player Number 1: (remember, all stats are per 36 minutes)

19.2 pts, 12.6 rebs, 2 blks, 4.0 ast, 0.6 stl, 2.1 to, .517 fg%, .723 ft%

Player Number 2:

20.1 pts, 7.7 rebs, 1.0 blks, 1.2 ast, , 0.6 stl, 3.0 to, .548 fg%, .728 ft%

Player Number 3:

15.9 pts, 9.0 rebs, 1.3 blk, 2.8 ast, 1.5 stl, 1.6 to, .500 fg%, .760 ft%

Player Number 4:

20.2 pts, 12.1 rebs, 1.5 blk, 1.0 ast, 1.5 stl, 3.1 to, .420 fg%, .836 ft%

Player Number 5:

27.0 pts, 12.3 rebs, 1.2 blk, 1.9 ast, 0.5 stl, 1.9 to, .514 fg%, .765 ft %

Player Number 6:

20.1 pts, 12.7 rebs, 2.1 blk, 1.4 ast, 0.9 stl, 3.1 to, .661 FG %, .569 ft %

Bonus Player :

8.6 pts, 5.9rebs, 0.8 blks, 3.3 ast, 0.8 stl, 2.0 to, .618 Fg%, .667 ft%

Before we unravel who these mystery players are lets take a look at a few things that jump out at us. Obviously, Player number 5 is having a RIDICULOUS season and is putting up the best numbers of the group. Looking at his career numbers, it is safe to say that player number 5 is putting up a career season. It also happens to be a contract year for player number 5. Player number 5's career line is around 21 pts, 9+ rebs.

The second thing that jumps out is that Bonus Player is definitely in a class all by himself when compared to the group. Unfortunately, that class is a couple tiers below that of the other mystery players. Unfortunately for us GSOMers, Bonus Player happens to be a starter on our favorite team.

TEASER ALERT: If you havn't finished your Guessing State of Mind guessing game do not read any further as I will reveal the mystery players.

Player number 1 = Tim Duncan

Player number 2 = Amare Stoudemire

Player number 3 = Kevin Garnett

Player number 4 = Anthony Randolph

Player number 5 = Chris Bosh

Player number 6 = Dwight Howard

Bonus Player = Mikki Moore

Other than a fun guessing game, this post was made to exhibit the frustration of many Warrior fans, including myself. Anthony Randolph's bench role and lack of minutes are alarming. The numbers state that the Warriors have a player somewhere between Kevin Garnett and Dwight Howard (statistic wise) coming off the bench in favor of Bonus Player Mikkie Moore. It is clear, however, that Randolph is the poorest shooter from the field of the bunch and needs to work on upping his fg percent a good 7-8 points. It is also clear that Anthony Randolph is in a class of his own when it comes to hitting his free throws when compared to other bigs. He is also amongst the elite when it comes to rebounding.

Enough of my basic analysis, I'm sure you will all have some input worth listening to.

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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He really needs to fix his A/TO and FG%!

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by LostHawkGSW on Nov 22, 2009 4:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I agree that his turnovers need to be cut and he needs to raise his fg percent...

but I also feel like Randolph isn’t the low post player like Howard/Biedrins/Amare in the sense that he does much more than score in the paint. He has 18-20 foot range. I feel like turnovers are almost always a problem for young players. Especially a player that is in the doghouse and gets his minutes jerked around. If Randolph were given a looser leash and a more consistent role, he might be able to settle down and not fumble the ball so much.

by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Nov 22, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think the turnover total is that bad...

Sure, it’s high, but I can handle turnovers from our big guys more than I can them from Monta or Curry.

The FG% is what desperately needs to be fixed. I think he did a good job of attacking the basket last game. My favorite play besides that crazy long dunk of his where almost didn’t even catch the rim was when he went up to dunk twice on Pryzbilla, and had them both blocked. The second one probably should have been a foul… but I want to see him go up strong more often. He doesn’t have the soft touch of Andris yet, but he is more athletic, so I was to see more attacking the rim (especially through slashing and showing behind the basket).

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Nov 22, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

i agree with everybody that randolph should be playing more, but he’s gotta start closing up the holes in his game if he wants to get any kind of consistent minutes when andris and ronny return. on some plays anthony looks like a star, on other ones he looks like a complete spaz. so it goes with any young, talented player i guess, but with him, the extremes are sometimes alarming.

by polishpaul on Nov 22, 2009 4:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

It's not as simple as giving him more playing time and he'll be producing "somewhere between Kevin Garnett and Dwight Howard (statistic wise)"

At least in Randolph’s case it isn’t. Because AR is so wild on the court, he gets into foul trouble easily. Giving him more PT can just as easily mean he also fouls out faster than he can get to the stats you mention above.

"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald

by WarriorForLife on Nov 22, 2009 4:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I understand the foul concern..

but when is he going to learn to control his fouls? He won’t learn sitting on the bench. Do you all remember Biedrins’ first /second year where it seemed like he got 4 fouls in the first quarter almost every game? He didn’t learn to control it until they threw him into the fire.

Playing Mikki Moore over Randolph makes no sense. We aren’t a contender. We probably aren’t even good enough for an eight seed. There is no point in playing Mikki Moore over Randolph. These are the type of seasons where you throw in your young guns like Randolph so they can learn on the job. Start Randolph, try to play him as many minutes as you can. If he fouls out, he fouls out. It won’t cost us anything other than gaining us a few more lottery balls. This is the only way he will learn. We must face this problem now, so that in the next couple years when the dubs are competing they will have a developed Randolph who has taken control of this problem.

by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Nov 22, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree 100%. I probably should've made it clear that I am an AR supporter and want him to develop.

I was just merely stating what I thought the coach’s logic was in sitting him. My apologies.

"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald

by WarriorForLife on Nov 22, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Learn on the Job

I agree w/Nelson on this one. Part of Nellie’s job is to teach his players how to play basketball with the proper fundamentals. When he says that AR has too many bad habits and they need to be corrected in PRACTICE I tend to agree. Giving young players consistent minutes has a tendency to make bad habits worse – not better. Now if the argument is that he’s making all the right plays but just not getting good results – then maybe give him more time. But I don’t think that’s the case.

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by triplesix on Nov 23, 2009 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

He was able to consistently play 35+ minutes a night at the end of last year without fouling out.

by randolphforpresident on Nov 22, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Says the user with the randolphforpresident alias.

That may be true, but for some reason this year, AR seems to be more foul prone. Last year, per 36 min, AR averaged 4.52 fouls. This year, 5.4.

"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald

by WarriorForLife on Nov 23, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Obviously, Player number 5 is having a RIDICULOUS season and is putting up the best numbers of the group.

Meh, I’d take Player 6’s numbers over Player 5’s. Not surprising, since I’d take Player 6 over Player 5. Bosh has been very impressive, though. Could be partly a small sample size error, but he is at an age (25) where a slight uptick in baseline performance isn’t unheard of. I’d be willing to bet the improvement is “real” enough to be worth dropping max-type money on. Amare … blecch, not so much. When your per 36 rebounds + blocks + assists combined don’t get you to double digits, you know your cred as “superstar” is in serious doubt.

On Randolph: yeah, he is still basically a spazzy rebounding fool, though you make him a look a bit worse than he is by not including FTA in your stat line. He’s gotten himself to the line at a nice clip this season (7.6 times per 36, compared to 4.5 last season), and hit his shots when he’s gotten there (84%). TS% stands at .513, slightly better than last season — not terrible, not good either. The sweet FT stroke bodes well, but until and unless he can bring some of the equanimity he’s showing at the stripe to a full-speed game, he’s still going to keep causing a ton of groaning and wincing.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Nov 22, 2009 5:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Ok...nice post...bit of fun...and nice to see the numbers...

BUT NO…….

He has so much to learn and NO we are not going to sink the team in a first quarter going 10+ points behind, just because AR is having one of his wild an crazy nights?

Yes he is good, but he is 20 years old for crying out loud…. He has plenty of time in the NBA and while you it seems are happy for us definitely not to make 8th seed due to letting your boy run loose, many of us on the other hand think we might just yet sneak the 8th spot..if the last couple of games are anything to go by.

Yes he had some great moves in the last game, but he also had some truly SHOCKING moments where you could have easily said… “er take that crap to the D league…”

Fortunately.. Randolph will get to see in Chris Hunter, a player it seems that has superb confidence and calmness on the ball and a truly superb BBall IQ as to where he should be on the court at any given moment, something Randolph has SOOOO much to learn about still.I have no doubt AR is All-star material in the future, but if he is allowed to simply “do his thing now” he will cost us more points than he produces and more importantly he will get into bad habits which will be much harder to break further down the line.

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by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 22, 2009 5:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

OK....WHAT THE HELL.....just happened to that post...

Those repitions were not there when it first went up?

GSOM Blog Beast!

by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 22, 2009 5:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Weird

If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.

by cybermaldonado on Nov 22, 2009 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

you study film to make sure not to form bad habits

but you cant get the mistakes caused by inexperience out of your system by sitting on the bench! we aint gonna make the 8th seed without him playing a huge part in it. his teammates on the floor can keep him from “doing his thing” by making sure he gets the ball in the right situations to make a play

by pre10d on Nov 22, 2009 10:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Nope....

He is not the saviour to an 8th seed spot. Nor are we going to start running our plays purely around him to ensure that he is in the right place not to do something stupid…

Nellie had him ride the pine last year and he finally got it and was playing superbly toward the end of last year. he came back off having a great summer and reverted to the slightly wild Randolph we saw at the beginning of last year.

In short he needs to work hard in the gym and LEARN and the best way to actually do this is indeed from the bench, watching a player that actually can do what the coach is asking…. once he gets this… he will get all the minutes he wants…

as with everything now where people are told “yeah you should just be allowed to do what you wanna do…” I say…. BS!… Experience is a wonderful thing and sometimes when you chooe not to listen to experience you waste time in your life going through the samemstakes someone has already done many times bfore, whereas listening and learning…. can bypass that whole futile process and your then that one step further ahead than the experienced person was at their age..

In short…..until Radolph learns to listen to those around him…his rides the pine as he clearly is not listening currently on the floor…as I said last year… he is in desperate need of a One on One mentor and I would really like to see Ronny T or someone besat next to him all the tme to talk through exactly what he is doing wrong and to become like a playing buddy in practices, etc..

He will get there… but he needs to listen an learn..

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by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 23, 2009 3:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You really think we can make the playoffs without AR4 playing a

pivotal role? You must think we play in the east. And you are totally misunderstanding me about the plays thing. I damn sure aint saying we should run specific plays because he is on the court, what i’m saying is our guards can(within the offense) make sure he doesn’t get stuck with the ball in a spot that sets him up to fail.

by pre10d on Nov 23, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

To answer your question..

No…I dont think AR has a “pivotol” role in us reaching the playoffs.

As to setting him up in a spot thats sets him up to fail??? How does one do that exactly?
Also the guards have zero control of Randolph taking the rebound and then instead of making the swift outlet pass as he should…he often brings the ball up court himself…. the guards cannot do much about that.

He’s young…he has lots to learn…but he’ll get there…just not by playing 48 minutes a game…“right now”. but again…thats just a personal opinion…

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by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 23, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

he often brings the ball up court himself…. the guards cannot do much about that.

Well, that answers your question a little bit – that’s Randolph putting himself in a position to fail. Guards can do it to him, too, by getting him the ball in places he’s not comfortable at, letting him run an iso or try to create his own shot or something, getting him the ball with only a few seconds on the shot clock, giving it up to him too early on a fast break….scenarios like that.

by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I think what most people are frustrated at is

Nelson’s way of tutoring him. It’s going to be a given that Randolph will make mistakes. It’s even perfectly okay for Nelson to bench him. What Nelson has done in the past and occasionally this year (although I’m satisfied with his given minutes thus far) is take Anthony out of the game for a mistake the vets make and yet he’s the one that gets iced out for quarters at a time.

He makes a mistake, take him out, let him sit for a couple minutes and then put him back in. If he repeatedly makes the same mistake, well then okay that’s a bigger problem. But I haven’t seen that yet.

I know AR looks like a trainwreck waiting to happen out there, but the dude has produced in those minutes. It should become harder and harder for Nellie to keep this guy off the court.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.

RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."

(MT)

by kenntoe on Nov 22, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Doubt he takes Randolph out for the mistakes you’re thinking of. The majority of times he probably takes him out for making assignment mistakes offensively & defensively. This seems to grate coaches & vets more than bad shots & whatnot. This is part of what players mean when they talk about learning the NBA game. You also hear about coaches & teammates being able to trust a player. It’s pretty obvious that his coaches & teammates don’t trust him to be where he’s supposed to be. Which is obviously a pet peeve of Monta’s and is likely one of the reasons those two don’t get along.

Still don’t get why Nellie insisted on playing Mikki Moore over him though. For a vet, he still makes some defensive assignment mistakes – i’m 100% sure of this as their defensive principles this season are remarkably simple and are the same every game with minor tweaks that are easy to figure out after one quarter – and at this stage is physically over matched by almost every other NBA player. He also seems to have a tendency to blame others for not helping.

by homer simpson on Nov 22, 2009 11:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Maggette makes the same mistakes. At least with Randolph he can go up and challenge a shot. I’ve yet to hear of any Monta and Randolph beef. They probably aren’t best of buds, but that doesn’t mean they can’t work together. I didn’t see the Portland game but did Monta not have some nice assists to AR for some dunks? Starting to build chemistry I hope.

Hopefully AR ditches his long range jumper for now. He’s missed—badly each time I seen him take it. He needs to develop a Brandan Wright-esque jump hook. It’s painful to watch him try and create separation with a fadeaway 10 footer. Randolph is definitely going to have to convert better than 42%. He’s a spazz out there for sure, but his positves outweigh the negatives in my book.

I don’t blame him for calling others out defensively. I’m surprised Andris and Ronny haven’t done the same thing.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.

RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."

(MT)

by kenntoe on Nov 23, 2009 1:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

? Maggette rarely makes assignment mistakes. There is a reason he grades the highest on their defensive rankings. no one is talking about freezing anyone out. i’m just talking about Randolph not being where he’s supposed to be and Monta constantly barking at him(& Randolph barking back) – his “young players” comment was obviously an AR reference and Nelson has stated he has tried to get Monta to take it easy on AR and as the vet that it’s Monta’s responsibility to get AR to go to the correct spots.

Hopefully AR ditches his long range jumper for now. He’s missed—badly each time I seen him take it.

? not sure what spurred this, but Randolph actually makes a good % from the right elbow extended. small sample, but over his career, he hits that at a 53.1% clip.

I don’t blame him for calling others out defensively. I’m surprised Andris and Ronny haven’t done the same thing.

Let me clarify. Curry mentioned that instead of running back up the court, some players waste time arguing about who missed what. I’ve spotted Mikki calling out players who had no chance of rotating down when he failed to gather a rebound and the rebounder made an extra pass. what’s the point at yelling at someone at the 3 point line for not coming down? Morrow & Randolph bicker a lot too.

by homer simpson on Nov 23, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Immaturity...

Youngsters…i.e. less than 25 years old, have a tendancy to bicker and argue more as they have yet to refine their discussion and diplomacy skills….which unfortunately only comes with age and experience.

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by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 23, 2009 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Right elbow is usually a 16-18 footer. I was referring to his long two point jumpers that he and Turner have been practicing. They said he’s been practicing those shots one foot inside the 3pt line.

I didn’t watch the Portland game but did the team noticeably bicker on defense still?

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.

RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."

(MT)

by kenntoe on Nov 23, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

They said he’s been practicing those shots one foot inside the 3pt line.

God I hope this isn’t true. That is the single worst shot in all of basketball. Take a step back for a 3, and even if your % goes down, your overall efficiency goes up because you get a 50% gain in points for every one you make!

by Missing Barry on Nov 23, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hmm...

I can only hope they are trying to extend his range gradually in practice. I’d hope they wouldn’t actually be encouraging him to take that shot in-game. I have seen him hoist a couple of those though, so you never know…

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Nov 23, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I am not convinced about Turner .....

He does a lot of the bigs coaching and yet still they are god awful at boxing out…I mean terrible….to shocking! I cant blame the players all he time as many do for this…the coaches have got to get some flak for clearly not doing a good enough job with their guys to do some very basic fundementals. Also if he is responsible currently for Randolph… if he cannot control him and sit with him during games to show and describe how he can defend a player on the floor better by showing him where that player is weak, then what exactly IS he doing? Teaching almost 3point jumpers to our bigs???

I would really like us to get a solid, well known and respected defensive specialist coach in, that could really work with Randolph and make him the Beast, we all know he is capable of becoming…

GSOM Blog Beast!

by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 23, 2009 6:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Right elbow is usually a 16-18 footer.

yeah except “right elbow extended” is 16-23’8". though you may be right on the actual location – the stats are only broken down by areas.

AR is oddly worse from 8-15 ft (anywhere) shooting an abysmal 22.4% in his young career.

They said he’s been practicing those shots one foot inside the 3pt line.

ugh.

In the Portland game they weren’t too bad, (Mikki only saw 5 minutes though) I only remember seeing AR & Morrow wasting time discussing how something should have been guarded once – which Curry broke up by inbounding the ball to Morrow.

by homer simpson on Nov 23, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I looked at them all and felt Player 1 was the best, though it was between 1 and 5.

Turns out, I have both of those players on my fantasy team.

by belilaugh on Nov 22, 2009 6:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I didn’t really spend much time trying to figure the players out because that would have taken actual work on my part, however, Bosh and Mikki were pretty obvious when I looked at the numbers.

If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.

by cybermaldonado on Nov 22, 2009 6:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

AR was pretty obvious once I saw the FT%.

"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald

by WarriorForLife on Nov 22, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

One stat I would like to see....

Would be including fouls in per 36 stats. Because Randolph still has problems with getting into foul trouble and would have trouble going 36 minutes without getting at least 5 fouls.

by LakerFan24 on Nov 22, 2009 7:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Randolph 5.3
Mikki 5.1
Howard 4.7
Stoudemire 3.8
Bosh 3.0
Garnett 2.6
Duncan 2.4

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Nov 22, 2009 7:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Man, Duncan is just good at everything…

by Missing Barry on Nov 22, 2009 8:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Almost as many blocks as fouls…

by Missing Barry on Nov 22, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m sure there’s a bit of “superstar treatment” built into the fouls/36 number, but clearly, he is good at everything, and incredibly consistent.

Garnett’s #s, on the other hand, are a bit worrisome, even for such a consummate “team player.” From what I’ve gleaned on one of the Boston fansites, there’s real concern that he’s not the same KG he was in ’07/08 (and even the ’07/08 edition was a couple steps down from his peak).

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Nov 22, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

there’s real concern that he’s not the same KG he was in ’07/08

Not really a shocker. This guy plays almost too hard on the court and has been doing that for 14 years now (+1000 games). Fortunetly for the Celtics, Paul Pierce seems to be getting better as he has been getting older.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Nov 22, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

thanks for showing the stat

It was about what I expected. Judging by the stat, Randolph would have a problem staying the court 36 minutes if he averages over 5 fouls per 36. While I agree that Nelson needs to give him more burn, this may become a bit of a hindrance if it continues. That being said, staying out of foul trouble can only be learned by actually playing a good amount of minutes every night. As a Laker fan, I have watched Bynum improve on this as his playing time has increased and I am sure Randolph will learn how to avoid silly fouls as he gets more experience. Again, thanks for the stat.

by LakerFan24 on Nov 23, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Your pleasantries don’t excuse you for being a Laker fan

Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!

by Supafishal on Nov 24, 2009 8:19 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs

Haha, rec.

I would make that my new sig-line if I didn’t like mine so much.

… Which reminds me, three days belatedly … ROLL ON YOU BEARS!!!

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Nov 24, 2009 9:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Mikki Moore is 2nd in assists on that list behind Tim Duncan!!!

I would have expected Garnett to be ahead of him…

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Nov 22, 2009 9:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Maybe he realizes he shouldn’t be shooting, so every once in a while that leads to extra assists?

by Missing Barry on Nov 22, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Mikki gets those cheapo assists where he hands off to Monta or Curry at the top of the key and they hit an open jumper. You will rarely if ever actually see him set somebody up.

Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!

by Supafishal on Nov 24, 2009 8:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Once you said per 36

i stopped reading

by rtgunn on Nov 22, 2009 9:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Why?

by Missing Barry on Nov 22, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Ok, so you don’t like per 36. Tell me another way to compare the production of two players who play different amount of minutes?

by randolphforpresident on Nov 22, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Allow me to mention the OKC THUNDER

everyone in the L envies how presti has put this team together, they committed to go young and allowed their players to build chemistry together, the results are now showing.(also if any of you are on twitter you may know that durant, westbrook, green, and harden call themselves the “broingtons” because they are so close) Now heres a good comparison for randolph(not in style of game but in way the organization/coaching staff handled their youth)
starting pf jeff green 28mpg, 43%fg, 10.5ppg, 5rpg, 2to, 2.5pf year 1, 37mpg, 45% fg, 16.5ppg, 7rpg 2.2 to, 2.6pf year 2.
w-l 20-62 his rookie year, 23-59 year 2
6th man, 7th man, 8th man, some time starter anthony randolph 18mpg, 46%fg, 8ppg, 6rpg, 1.3to, 2.2pf year 1, 22mpg, 42%fg, 12ppg, 7rpg, 1.8to, 3.2pf so far this season
w-l 29-53 rookie year, 4-8 this year
What this tells me is
1. nellie/our fo has no clue how to handle a young team
2. randolph is an excellent rebounder and obviously a very active body when on the court(more so than green)
3. green plays way more under control than randolph but could that be because he had 3 more years of bball experience b4 entering the league?
4. both teams sucked regardless of the pt either player got
So we all know Mikki Moore is not in our future plans and either is Maggette being our starting pf. Since Randolph has essentially only 2 years of high level basketball experience(1yr lsu, 1 yr gsw) is it logical of the organization or fans to expect this kids game to resemble any sort of polish? of course not, and it’s also not logical to expect him to grow steadily when his minutes are jerked around on a game by game basis. anthony will have moments every game this season where you shake your head in disgust and also moments where your jaw drops in amazement. but those moments of disgust will only lessen with him getting more game experience! i am extremely happy with the way we played against portland but i am very concerned that when we get ronny and beans back ar is gonna continue to get jerked around. my only hope is that ar plays his best ball these next 2 weeks so that when they come back nellie has no reason to jerk him around because we need him to grow more confidence and control for this team to take the next steps toward becoming contenders in the west. the talent is there, but the chemistry is just now building since jax is finally gone.

by pre10d on Nov 22, 2009 10:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

when we get ronny and beans

That’s the real problem. The Warriors have or had veterans who are currently better players than the young guys. When you give those young guys minutes over vets like say Harrington who clearly schools them in practice, you lose the locker room b/c the message is you’re not trying to win. Which was the Crabtree fear, but it turns out he’s already better than anyone else the 49ers have playing WR.

Presti was smart to rid that team of any vets who weren’t role-players. It’s hard to imagine Durant getting the kinds of touches he got as a rookie or 2nd year player had Ray Allen & Rashard Lewis remained with that team. Monta (or any competitor for that matter) is definitely not going to be happy if those 2 are healthy, but lose minutes to AR b/c they’d rather develop than win (even though that really should be the priority), i wouldn’t blame him if he asked to be traded in that scenario.

the real reason AR needs minutes is he has the problem of all young players – figuring out what they are good at in the NBA and quit doing the stuff that isn’t effective. the other stuff can be learned in practice.

by homer simpson on Nov 22, 2009 11:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

i can only hope Monta see's this is his team

and wants to lead us and become an all star with us, if he goes somewhere else to win he wont be the #1 option and he’s never have a chance to be an all star. he wants recognition, he really wants to be on the US team. he said it a couple years ago. this team is his to be our iverson.

by pre10d on Nov 23, 2009 12:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Randolph Shouldn't Start

He’s not ready to start for 3 reasons.

1. His fouls per 36 is above 5. If he were to get starters minutes, he would be in foul trouble all the time.

2. He is out of control. Hes not passing the ball and hes not being efficient.

3. If he gets the start, he has nothing to work for. keeping him on the bench gives him more incentive to get better

by ShubKnight on Nov 23, 2009 2:21 AM PST reply actions 1 recs

I just hope Nellie conveys this to AR in the kindest way possible. That he’s not ready, but when he is he’ll see 30+ minutes.

CWebb (on NBATV) basically blamed himself for being so young at the time for his riff with Nellie. The one thing he put on Nellie was not explaining things to “young players” (him) well.

maybe he has the Stan Van Gundy problem?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/os-orlando-magic-1120-20091119,0,1594533.story

by homer simpson on Nov 23, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Webber also said that when he rejoined the team in ‘08 he could see a marked difference in the way Nellie communicated with younger players, for what that’s worth.

Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!

by Supafishal on Nov 24, 2009 8:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs