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Sacramento Kings owners decide to cease owning city's WNBA franchise [AP-Yahoo!]

Thoughts off the backboard:

  • It's sad to see one of the original 8 WNBA franchises just vanish seemingly overnight.
  • Finally we'll have a decent pro hoops squad in the Bay Area. Since 1997 the Monarchs have made the playoffs 9 times and the Warriors of course have only qualified for the spring dance once since then. These 9 playoff appearances have amounted to 2 Conference Championships and 1 WNBA Championship for the Monarchs. Pretty impressive. The one thing that the Monarchs and Warriors have in common is that every time they've gotten to the playoffs they've reached the 2nd round (we're trying to be nice here). 
  • Quick: Name a player on the Monarchs.
  • It never really made sense why the WNBA didn't set up shop in the Bay Area to begin with. This is a hoops crazy market that still passionately supports Chris Cohan's endless "rebuilding" project. Also considering the WNBA's sizable lesbian fan base, the Bay Area seems like an ideal fit.
  • It would be shocking to see Cohan assume any major ownership role in a Bay Area WNBA franchise given his current financial struggles. Unfortunately business-wise it's hard to blame him. The WNBA is still a money losing business. It's a largely subsidized effort by the NBA. But who knows? Maybe the Bay Area is a "green" spot for the WNBA.
  • If the Monarchs do move here hopefully they'll change their name. Some WNBA attempted feminized version of "Warriors" could be interesting.
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Where should the Monarchs play in the Bay Area?
Oakland (Oracle Arena)
273 votes
San Francisco (Cow Palace)
289 votes
San Jose (HP Pavilion)
446 votes
Other (specify in comments)
45 votes

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Not likely to become the Warriors's 'sister' team...
The Oakland-based Golden State Warriors are in support of the idea of a WNBA team playing in Oakland, but would not affiliate themselves with a franchise. That would have to be worked out with the City of Oakland and Alameda County. The Warriors play at Oracle Arena.

http://sports.espn.go.com/wnba/news/story?id=4674978

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Nov 23, 2009 8:42 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

And that's a good thing...

Cohan is in no better position than the Maloofs to take on a WNBA franchise…

I just wonder whether a prospective Cohan successor would jump in and relocate the Monarchs to Oracle in anticipation of eventually trying to acquire the Warriors as well…

Cohan has to sell eventually…right?

SwishAppeal.com, women's basketball...covered SBN-style... twitter: @qmccall3

by Q McCall on Nov 23, 2009 9:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cohan has to sell eventually…right?

one can only dream…..

That would be great to have a compontent owner own the Warriors and a WNBA team. If it does happen, I expect both teams to be in San Francisco instead of Oakland.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Nov 23, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This is a good thing. With all the colligate women’s sports in the bay area it will be good to have the WNBA represented there.

I voted shark tank but it’s really a tossup between Oakland and San Jose, both would be good venues.

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by qin on Nov 23, 2009 9:29 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Cow Palace...

As a venue called Bull Palace would be totally unsuitable!
;)

(counts the minutes…)

In reality I would like to know exactly why the Bay Area would be more suitable or preferable than Sactown? A specific target audience per chance?

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by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 23, 2009 11:07 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

The WNBA is still around? Who knew?

Thing A

by sam23 on Nov 23, 2009 11:30 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

COW PALACE!

I would total watch and rep if they were placed there.. home games would just be 10 min away. sick.

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by KMC on Nov 23, 2009 11:44 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I would love to see the WNBA set up shop in the Bay Area, my preference would be So Bay, but doesn’t matter to me. I play in a women’s rec league that is hugely popular in Campbell (there are 4 separate levels from novice to advance that play year-round), so I know the attraction is strong to follow women’s BB (most ladies I know follow the Stanford women’s team). But realistically, I don’t know if there would be much of a fanbase even among diehard Warriors fans here because do men even recognize women’s game as being competitive, or worthy of watching? If the WNBA just caters to women (straight or otherwise), I don’t think it has a chance of succeeding.

(btw, Nicole Powell, repping Stanford)

by DomoKun on Nov 23, 2009 11:48 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

There is a question about the strength of a women's basketball fan base in the Bay Area...

From the Pleasant Dreams blog:

Furthermore, basketball in San Francisco might not be a slam dunk. Frisco Del Rosario writes that “Professional women’s basketball has never been more than a curiosity [in San Francisco].” The San Francisco Pioneers in the WBL couldn’t draw. The San Jose Lasers in the ABL couldn’t draw either. After coming back home after a visit to San Fran, I see Frisco’s point. San Francisco is a bad sports town for the same reason that Los Angeles is one – there’s just so much to do in those cities that basketball isn’t going to capture anyone’s attention, whereas if you live in Dallas…. (*)

I suppose it does strike people as odd given the perception of the Bay Area… but it’s interesting nonetheless…

SwishAppeal.com, women's basketball...covered SBN-style... twitter: @qmccall3

by Q McCall on Nov 23, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it also has a lot to do with the people..

Lets face it…when at college….you had your guys and girls interested in playing sport….combined with those who enjoyed watching the sport…… while another group preferred sitting out in the field smoking pot!

Guess which city the latter now reside in! ;)
“No competition man….lets relax and not be competitive to each other…peace and love…”

Whilst that is said tongue in cheek… it does actually have some credance to it, which is why you never get the fan atmosphere at the Giants that you get at a Warriors game… to most people its about a ball game and a beer… who is actually playing is neither here nor there for many…whereas your Redsox fans, Dodgers fans etc…all come and seem a lot more passionate about their sport…

So I think culture does indeed have impact and I would agree that San Francisco per say, does not it seems have the most avid sports fans….

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by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 23, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Is this the same Dodger fans that show up in the 3rd inning and leave by the 7th?

Giant’s fans get a “bad rap” for being cheese and wine fans (whatever that means) but the place is always packed. Now if you wanted to say A’s fans are more passionate, I would have to agree, even though there about 1/5 the fan base they make up for it by being very loud and into the game from start to back.

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by qin on Nov 24, 2009 7:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Refresh my memory...

Was “Candlestick” always packed?

Isn’t Pac Bell the smallest park in the league and thus easier to pack?

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by Q McCall on Nov 24, 2009 7:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Candlestick was and is a hourendous location.

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by qin on Nov 24, 2009 9:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

San Jose

This would be the best bet to get a good enough fan base to keep the team afloat. The WNBA would be the only team in town and would benefit from a populace starved for professional teams.
Maybe pitch it to Ellison to take over the team.

by ajtrinc on Nov 23, 2009 12:00 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Uhh… I don’t really follow hockey but don’t the Sharks play in San Jose?

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Nov 23, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes...

But different seasons for the most part — WNBA is summer.

Would be 17 summer home events, which is advantageous to some venues where summer is only sporadic concerts…

SwishAppeal.com, women's basketball...covered SBN-style... twitter: @qmccall3

by Q McCall on Nov 23, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps they should consider a college setting, with Cal or Stanford being most likely. It’s a smaller venue and I think most of the fans really are only following college players that make it to the pro level.

by DomoKun on Nov 23, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Or SCU (Santa Clara)

They already host earthquake games and they have a caltrain station near by.

by mosdl on Nov 23, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry.

I meant only Basketball team in town.

by ajtrinc on Nov 25, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Probably South Bay

That seems like a good location…even though Courtney Paris (she’s pretty fierce in the paint) is from Piedmont. WHATTUP!

But i say, they got with a regional name, like the Warriors. How about “Silicon Valley Engineers” ?

by dj fuzzylogic on Nov 23, 2009 12:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Good one!

Attended high school with me and played in college but not the WNBA is guard Aisha Hollins. We’re not friends but she would recognize me. I don’t know why she’s not in the pros she was good enough maybe she had a baby or something that happens and diminishes fan bases. In my opinion San Jose would not be the best location for WNBA one reason being Latinos are not the most encouraging of women athletes and San Jose is much more heavily Latino at 30% than SF or Tha Town. I used to follow the Monarchs heavily we even hit I-80 once or twice from Alameda County to attend. I remember they used to have All-Star Yolanda Griffith inside for a while there.

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by polar on Nov 27, 2009 11:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds good to me...

I’ve never really watched the WNBA outside of having a game on in the background here and there, but if there was a team in San Jose I might check it out if the tickets were affordable. I can imagine taking my daughter in a few years when she is old enough to enjoy it.

I’m not sure if they would be able to create enough excitement to get a consistent fan base though. In fact I’m already beginning to doubt myself about checking it out. I like Soccer more than the WNBA and I’ve never even been out to see the ’Quakes.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Nov 23, 2009 2:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

If the WNBA comes to the Bay...

We should do a GSoM Night WNBA style. It’d be fun to check it out and go as a group over summer. I’m imagining it would be most folks first WNBA game too.

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by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 23, 2009 3:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Definitely!

I have not been able make a GSoM night since I live in SoCal, but if I am I would be TOTALLY down. I am sure this community will come out in force, as usual, especially since it will be much more affordable!

by Run Dubz on Nov 23, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's an outstanding idea!

How many folks do you get out for the Warriors games?

SwishAppeal.com, women's basketball...covered SBN-style... twitter: @qmccall3

by Q McCall on Nov 23, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The last GSoM night...

Had over 600 people attend. I have no clue how many GSoMers would come out to a WNBA game, but I’m sure if we had some nice group ticket pricing and offered a sweet shirt or jersey give away we’d get some people to go (I would).

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Nov 23, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

OlympicMike’s right. Last time was 600+. Our record was GSoM Night II where we had over 1,000 community members roll through. It was a blast.

I’m sure during summer when folks are incredibly hoops starved we can round up the troops. It’ll be that much more enjoyable since it’s not a Cohan owned product!

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by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 23, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

if only half that number go

it would still be a success

by mosdl on Nov 23, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think they will do well in the bay area

Perhaps I’m biased, but as Atma said, this is a hoops crazy area. You can’t tell me people here don’t love basketball. As we all know the case in point is the seemingly unconditional love and support for our warriors. Of course, a WNBA team won’t get as much love, but I am CERTAIN they will get more than they did in Sacramento, and more support than most of the country.

I am no WNBA fan, but I will support this team wholeheartedly. With a team in the Bay Area, I (and I am sure many others) will not be able to help following them, to some extent. And hey, going to some games at half the price of Warriors games could be a lot of fun!

by Run Dubz on Nov 23, 2009 3:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Doubtful, I’m not a big fan of women’s sports, they’re so much slower and less physical than what most of us are used to that they just seem to be too boring to watch. That’s not a knock on anyone who plays or enjoys them, I just think that’s the reason that they’ll never have the same draw or success as men’s sports. If you look all around the country, even if you have a women’s franchise who is winning, they still struggle financially and it’s because they have no where near the same financial drawing power as the 3 major sports in this country.

by JRich4MVP on Nov 23, 2009 4:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Not entirely sure the two games should be compared though a lot of people do...

Because of fundamental biological differences in height, size, and athleticism the two games are just played differently.

I’ve come to appreciate the WNBA not because it’s more pure as some people like to claim, but more I love basketball and because of what Bethlehem Shoals described in his article here: http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The_Baseline/entry/view/30231/the_wnba_much_better_thank_you_think

It’s a unique brand of basketball that is getting much better as more women get the opportunity and the competition/skill level increases…

I think with the amount of buzz around Stanford over the years (my mom can identify Candice Wiggins before Monta Ellis), there’s a fan base there… marketing the league is a whole other story though…

SwishAppeal.com, women's basketball...covered SBN-style... twitter: @qmccall3

by Q McCall on Nov 23, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Question

Why does the WNbA even play during the summer when basketball season is ending? wouldnt it make more sence to play during regular season basketball. while everybody is actually into basketball. i know i would watch it more. Womens college ball plays during the regular season.

by Loveisforfree on Nov 23, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Given that the WNBA started out as an NBA venture...

putting the WNBA in competition with the NBA didn’t make much sense.

I really have a hard time seeing how it would compete directly with the NBA.

SwishAppeal.com, women's basketball...covered SBN-style... twitter: @qmccall3

by Q McCall on Nov 24, 2009 12:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

somewhere

Candace Parker is calling you out

Dump Maggette get a pick go shopping in 2011= NBA Champions 2013

by polar on Nov 27, 2009 11:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Easy Bay Monarchs?

Perhaps they should consider a college setting, with Cal or Stanford being most likely. It’s a smaller venue and I think most of the fans really are only following college players that make it to the pro level.

by DomoKun on Nov 23, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply 0 recs

THIS IS THE BEST IDEA YET! I hate to be so crass here, but Oakland is the self-proclaimed “dyke city”. The income differential between genders (glass cieling, etc.) has most lesbians in the bay area living in the East Bay. Considering most fans are lesbians, it seems, at first glance, like a great idea to move the team to the bay area, but the East Bay may yield more target market dollars than SF. Yes yes, I’m a lesbian, and I can tell you I’ll be first in line to buy season tickets if the team relocates to the EAST bay, not south (san jose) west (SF) or otherwise. This sounds silly, but those areas are light years away and I would NOT make the one hour+ trek to those areas from my home in Oakland, otherwise I would have just gone to more Sac games. Good luck Monarchs. Hope everything works out :)

by yuppiediva on Nov 23, 2009 11:35 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

as usual

Tha Town is preferable

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by polar on Nov 27, 2009 11:48 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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