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Final score:  Lakers $91,377,313 - Warriors $65,644,330.  Those are the respective payrolls of Jerry Buss' Lakers, and Chris Cohan's Warriors.  Do I need to go any further in analyzing this basketball game?

OK, feltbot, don't be a Faker-hater.  I'll start over, and give these Lakers some respect:  On paper, at least, one might think our Warriors match up pretty well with the Lakers.  One-name superstar?  Kobe, Monta, check.  Euro-four? Pau Gasol, Vlad Rad, check. Muscleman small forward? Ron Artest, Corey Maggette, check. Young seven-footer with insane upside? Andrew Bynum, Anthony Randolph, check.

If there's one thing the Warriors lack that the Lakers have it's this: the talented Hollywood D-lister off the bench.  Mr. Khloe Kardashian, check.

Star-divide

Oops, I did it again.  Hey, it's a hard, hard thing for a Bay Area guy to admit that these Lakers are simply out of our Warriors' class.  But that's the cold hard truth.  The Lakers are just too big and too talented for the Warriors to compete with.  And not just the Warriors.  If by season's end the Lakers don't prove too big and too talented for every other team  in the league as well, I'll eat my remote.  The Lakers have put together one of the most frightening assemblages of talent ever to set foot on the hardwood.  In my opinion, only the possibility of injury stands between them and immortality.  70 wins?  I wouldn't be surprised.  The NBA title? Almost assuredly.

But even with the huge disparity in talent between the two teams, this was a disappointing loss for the Warriors.  Right after playing  two and 3/4 great games against three of the best teams in the West, the Warriors simply didn't bring it in this game.  "No energy," "didn't compete," "selfish."  Those are some of the words Coach Keith Smart used to describe this performance.  And then this: "star-struck."  Ouch!

Let's go to the key matchups:

Monta vs. Kobe:  The box score makes it look like this was an even matchup, but the boxscore lies.  Monta recently had a terrific defensive game against Brandon Roy.  He was able to shut him down guarding him man-to-man.  But Brandon Roy is not Kobe.  (If he were, we'd call him "Brandon," not "Brandon Roy." ) Against Kobe, Monta required frequent help from double teams.  And for the first half, at least, Kobe was content to move the ball to the open man, setting up easy threes, and layups for his big men. 

Monta was not able to impose his will offensively either.  Kobe did a decent job of staying in front of him, and turned him over several times.   When Monta was able to penetrate, he found it difficult to finish against the Lakers' giant front line.  He did a decent job of creating for his teammates, but no one, including himself, was able to hit a shot from outside.  Star-struck?  Hmmm.

Monta has looked like a star lately.  Like the player we remembered from two years ago.  He didn't play great in this game, against one of the greatest players, and one of the most imposing defenses in the league.  But there were signs that he might in the near future.  He needs a tougher handle, and perhaps a little more confidence in himself and his teammates.

Pau Gasol vs. Vlad Rad:  This was the matchup that really killed the Warriors.  Gasol is a legitimate superstar, and he got everything he wanted in this game.  Vlad Rad, on the other hand, showed why he has largely driven his coaches crazy thus far in his career.  He didn't fight hard enough to keep Gasol out of the paint.  And he didn't punish Gasol on the offensive end.  Like Anthony Morrow, for Vlad Rad to be an effective player, he needs to hit his open shots.  He didn't get it done tonight.

Curry vs. Fisher:  Hate to say it, but the Flopping Fish outplayed the rookie tonight.  He didn't have much trouble getting to his spots on the floor, and he nailed several shots in Curry's face.  On offense, Curry again opened the game passively, and again got a lecture to be more aggressive from Coach Smart.  He did a much better job looking for his offense after that, but couldn't hit a shot in the second half.  On the positive side, he did do a nice job limiting his turnovers: only 1 this game, against 8 assists.  

Anthony Randolph vs. Himself:  We've all seen flashes of Randolph's insane upside.  Unfortunately, tonight's performance put the emphasis on insane.  Anthony Randolph picked up his second melted brain of the year in this game, but this time it was his own.  Pau Gasol was simply too much for Anthony Randolph to handle.  He picked up two quick fouls trying to guard him in his first minute on the court. He couldn't keep Gasol off the boards either, even giving up an offensive rebound on a free throw.  And he couldn't get anything against him on the offensive end.  He was forced to settle for jumpers, and he didn't hit them, earning himself a quick hook from Smart.

In the second half, Randolph's frustration grew to the point that he took the matchup personally.  After knocking the ball away from Gasol, he dived into the front row after the ball, completely wiping out three fans.  Without a glance back, let alone an expression of concern for the fans he had just concussed, Randolph rushed back onto the court and began jawing at Gasol.  When the refs and then Kobe interceded, Randolph lit into Kobe.  If you've never seen a 20-year-old player tell the face of the NBA to "Back up!" I recommend you replay this tape and employ your amateur lip-reading skills.  You'll see it, and possibly a choice epithet to boot.

Keith Smart wisely pulled Randolph from the game, and left him on the bench until garbage time.  Will this performance cause the Bay Area media to lower the heat on Don Nelson over Randolph's playing time, and seriously consider Coach Smart's insinuation that Randolph is not NBA-ready?  Um, I wouldn't count on it. 

 

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I thought the game was out of the Dubs’ reach from the 1st quarter. I kinda had that feeling they were going to lose, seeing how Gasol dominated the team with his 1st quarter performance. Kobe didn’t score as much as I thought he would, but too bad everyone else scored more then they should have..The rebounding/defense was a problem too. Without Biedrins, it’s hard to match up with Bynum. The thing that killed me was watching Vladimir Radmanovic get destroyed by Gasol. Also, Vladimir didn’t do too well on offense, I remember watching in the 3rd quarter he missed open shots after open shots. The fans weren’t as supportive as they usually are. 1/3 of them were Laker Kobe fans, which kind of made me sick. I thought Randolph and Hunter should have gotten some more playing time, seeing how Moore, Vladimir, or Turiaf were not doing that great. Overall, the Warriors lost because they just couldn’t get it going. I don’t think they ever led in the game, and they missed shots after shots after having much open opportunities to catch up. They needed to get a good start playing the Lakers, which they did not have. Bad game for the Dubs’,hopefully we see better than this.

by DubsFan408 on Nov 29, 2009 12:59 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

We need to get AR's confidence up

  Nellie really messed with his head, we need to get him back out there and get him some easy buckets, let him get his confidence back. We would be so much better for it. Otherwise were stuck Vlad and Mikki….. Both are terrible. Also Monta needs a sidekick. Curry really isn’t that ype of player, Morrow relies to much on others, Maggs kills the offense and who are we left with? Monta has to do everything every night. Trade or sign someone to help him in the offseason or at the deadline. Maybe if AR played like how he did at the end of last year he could help…

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"

by dubzfan on Nov 29, 2009 1:13 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

his misperception that he’s a "big fish"

AR still thinks he’s the first option. When he catches the ball at 20 it’s not coming back out. This is an awful strategy, even if he were the first option. Someone needs to tell him he’s more like the fifth option right now. As an offensive liability, he’s like a self-made Jarron Collins.

What tickles me is the assertion that he’s a great passer and he’ll average 6 assists a game one day. Yeah, and CJ Watson’s gonna be a great center… someday…

An empty barrel makes the most noise.

by antihero on Nov 29, 2009 1:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Spot on IQofaW.....

This “fanboyism” that has swept the board of late with regard to AR almost as if he is the second coming….is getting stale to say the least. He is clearly naive and no matter how many minutes you put him on the court for…..he simply has a HUGE amount to learn yet.

Until he pins back his ears and listens…. he is going to lose any possible success that his clear talent could generate, because he makes on court decisions befitting a high school player…..

As to getting involved in verbal “sledging” matches with Gasol and worse still Bryant….thats just simply embarrassing…

He has to grow up….and grow up fast….His first lesson is;
Rebound>Outlet……..Rebound>Outlet……Rebound>Outlet….. I am getting sick to death of watching him bring the ball up the court….give the damn ball to a ball handler and FAST!

He’ll get it eventually….but he has a lot more pine to ride until he can prove he has a head mature enough for the NBA.

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by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 29, 2009 4:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

True to a point

But it doesn’t take much too get in someones head especially since he knows Nellie is watching witch can still effect his play. And since he is lost all the time doesn’t that say something about the coach?Nellie always has had an issue helping out young players and he’s not helping AR and telling him what to do since basically Nellie’s offense is turning into streetball. It also doesn’t help he’s playing center. He has played like an idiot but that’s where a coach should help him and maybe Nellie is still in his head. It’s not like it’s the first time Nellie has done this with someone.

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"

by dubzfan on Nov 29, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

First, Nellie’s watching everyone from home, not specifically Randolph. If Randolph feels he’s being singled out by Nellie, that’s Randolph’s own misinterpretation. Second, why should Randolph care if Nellie’s watching from home? Keith Smart is running the team right now. According to Smart, Nellie doesn’t tell him what to do and what not to do, only gives suggestions on what Smart could have done differently. This means that all of the decisions are coming from Smart.

And since he is lost all the time doesn’t that say something about the coach?

I would point the finger at Nellie if the WHOLE TEAM looked lost and confused on what to do. But Randolph is the only one who looks blatantly lost and confused. And when he does, he panics and forces things and looks silly. How is that Nellie’s fault? That’s like saying it’s Nellie’s fault that Curry is tentative and hesitant on the floor, even though Nellie has always wanted him to be more assertive and aggressive.

He has played like an idiot but that’s where a coach should help him and maybe Nellie is still in his head.

Seeing Monta’s growth as a leader and a point guard, seeing Morrow’s growth at trying to be a more well rounded player than just a shooter, seeing Curry becoming more aggressive and less deferring, these examples tell me that Nellie and the coaching staff are trying to get these kids to learn and play well. I find it extremely doubtful that they are not also trying to teach Randolph and help him grow as well. I mean, what would be the point? Just to mess with Randolph’s head, stunt his growth, hurt the team as a whole, and get the other players mad at Nellie and the coaching staff? That’s a pretty far fetched theory.

I’ve seen Nellie give Randolph some in-game tips. I’ve seen Nellie give Randolph a butt tap when he does something smart. I’ve heard Nellie’s explanation about moving Randolph to center, because that position requires the “least amount of thinking”. I’ve heard Keith Smart talk about “film don’t lie”, using video to show Randolph why he was out of position, which hurt the team, which caused him to be benched. I’ve heard Marcus Thompson’s sources say that Randolph’s attitude and lack of humility is holding himself back. I’ve heard Nellie say that he has to constantly remind himself that Randolph is only 20.

All of the evidence shows that Nellie and the coaching staff are trying to be patient with Randolph and trying to help him succeed, even by moving him to center, so that all he has to do is block, rebound, and clean up, (the things he’s naturally good at), and not have to think or make a play (the things he’s bad at). And all of the evidence shows that Randolph simply isn’t getting it right now, and he’s not doing anything to help himself. Therefore, it’s all on Randolph, Randolph, Randolph.

by IQofaWarrior on Nov 29, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

ha

we posted almost at the exact same time there almost mirror for mirror…. ;)

GSOM Blog Beast!

by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 29, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

hah, great minds think alike

or in our case, Warriors minds

by IQofaWarrior on Nov 29, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A bit harsh calling Nellie a "Witch"...I dont remember him having a broomstick?

Man….. you are missing the whole thing here. Randolphs minutes have BUGGER ALL to do with anyone other than Randolph right now. The blinkers that you are wearing that this is all Nellie…really do need to be taken off.

Nellie has actully played him more than I thought he would and guess what… toward the end of last year when Randolph was playing nice basketball, Nellie played him A LOT MORE…

Randolph has his own head up his own backside right now…and if there is any coach that needs a finger pointing at right now…its Russ Turner…. HE is supposedly the coach responsible for Randolph currently…and clearly by performance…he just isnt getting the message through to this kid.

The reason ’Nellies" offense is turning to streetball, is because some 20 year old is playing like he is in a game of “3 on 3”. Someone desperately needs to school this kid and really mentor him…I mean 24/7….. how to hold himself, how to focus, how to behave, how to learn, how to read the game, how to do exactly what the coach asks you to, how to basically play the NBA….not high school basketball…

This is not Nellies fault….its Randolph’s…he has to grow up…and grow up fast. THIS TEAM NEEDS HIM…..IF….. he screws his damn head on!

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by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 29, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not disagreeing with you guys

  But lets say he is in his head and he is afraid of making mistakes? Sure he needs to get past it but it says something if the coach is getting into someones head and hurting his game. But lets say it’s not, who is teaching him to play than? Is it Turner? Smart? Nellie?Someone needs to step in and help him cause obviously he needs it. I personally think bringing in someone to help him like how the Lakers help Bynum with Kareem and how Ewing helped Dwight. We already know Nelli his not the greatest in developing bigs and neither is Turner. Some players learn better through playing, some need to be sent a message by being benched. In this case AR obviously has played like a chicken without a head coming off the bench. Right now he is playing out of position as well. Why not let him play power forward and develop? Webber even was being forced to play center when Nellie was here and he bolted for Sactown. AR is playing like an idiot at times and Nellie is coaching like an idiot sometimes. The blame goes both ways but it is there job to help him develop and so far I have not seen it, no matter what they say at a press conference or interview.

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"

by dubzfan on Nov 29, 2009 5:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nellie is not...*

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"

by dubzfan on Nov 29, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes and No

“I personally think bringing in someone to help him like how the Lakers help Bynum with Kareem and how Ewing helped Dwight.”

I’ll agree with you on the former, but not on the latter. Ewing was brought in as an assistant specifically to help Howard, and it’s now the third season in and Howard still doesn’t have even one effective post move. Randolph needs to go to the Pete Newell Big Man Camp every off season, and the team needs to bring in a retired big man with a face-up game as an assistant to work with him.

by The Dude Abides on Nov 29, 2009 5:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Lakers help Bynum with Kareem and how Ewing helped Dwight

This is so over hyped. Did you know the Clippers brought in Kareem to help Olowokandi & that Seattle brought him in to work with Jerome James? A lot of good he did them. Difference? Bynum just happens to be good.

Ewing hasn’t taught Dwight anything. He has the same moves now as he did in yr 2, right handed hook, sweeping lefty hook and dunking.

Turner worked with Duncan. Scott Roth (the Warriors other big man coach) worked with Pau Gasol and with Dirk as well as picked out a nice find in Hunter – but he also worked with Hasheem Thabeet this past offseason.

The truth is good players are good from the start no matter who their coaches are. Duncan, CWebb, KG, Bosh, Amare, Pau, Dirk – they all made impacts from the moment they stepped on the court. Ppl point to guys who played very little like Jermaine O’Neal, but he just couldn’t beat out that Blazers front line. He’d probably have produced if he would have played.

by homer simpson on Nov 29, 2009 5:49 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Where does Daid West come in? Bynum was a late bloomer as well

I’d also say Howard dunking is pretty effective. Lol. But really Ewing has helped him defensively a lot as well.

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"

by dubzfan on Nov 29, 2009 6:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

are you serious??

Bynum was schooling as a rook/soph – he just didn’t get touches. His usage rate 15-16%. Now that he’s getting over 20% (20-21, still too low imo). His production has increased. But you couldn’t guard him 1 on 1 even as a rook. Ask Shaq.

Granted, I don’t remember West, but his usage rate was also fairly low his 1st yr at 15% (he was hurt for most of year 2). by yr 3, he was joined by a rookie PG named CP3 and his usage rate was up at 23%. I saw that season and more often than not, you couldn’t guard him 1 on 1.

AR has a usage rate of an all-star. 21.7% his rookie season & 25.1% this season. He is very stoppable 1 on 1. He’s only effective offensively as a finisher off of something that someone else created.

Howard was always a beast defensively. there’s no statistical evidence that Ewing’s helped. and just watching, i don’t see any difference. he’s actually gotten a little worse every year in terms of foul trouble since Ewing.

maybe AR will be one of the few players in history to buck the trend. but you’d have to be an idiot to place serious money on that happening.

most of the so-called late bloomers actually just got more minutes and touches as they got to know the NBA game, missed fewer assignments and defended better. the production was already there.

by homer simpson on Dec 1, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

I remember the big deal that was made about how Jamison/Damp/Foyle were attending Pete Newell’s ‘Big Man Camp’ as if this was somehow going to bring about a metamorphosis of the stone hands into the second coming of Olajuwon. I remember someone on another board citing that it was clear proof that Damp didn’t care because he didn’t go one year (as if that camp was going to be the one where they taught him the secret to being more than a stiff). Sean Bradley was there every year. Did it help him? Maybe, but let’s have realistic views about what sort of development is possible, even with the greatest coaching in the world.

Is it important for players to work on their games? Absolutely. But the name factor of having a former great come in to help makes for a good story, but Kareem isn’t going to make a nobody into a star. The desire to have a “name” come in presupposes that the “name” can actually teach (and to a lesser extent, implies the kids can’t learn from anyone else and need a big name player to “mentor” them). The notion that Randolph would prosper if only he had a better big man coach seems like wishful thinking.

by jae on Nov 29, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

But lets say he is in his head and he is afraid of making mistakes?

All righty, let’s say for the sake of discussion that Nellie is in Randolph’s head. The next logical question is, why is Nellie in Randolph’s head? My answer: because Randolph repeatedly screws up the same way over and over and OVER again. As a result, Nellie has to keep a tight leash on him.

It’s like a cashier who keeps coming up short in the cash register every night. What’s a manager supposed to do? Let it go until the cashier figures it out for himself? No way. The manager’s going to keep a close eye on the cashier to see what mistakes he’s making, and pull him out of cashier duty if he keeps making the same mistakes. The manager doesn’t have time to put up with the cashier’s same mistakes over and over again because the mistakes are costing money for the business.

That’s what Nellie’s doing to Randolph right now. He’s keeping an eye on Randolph because Randolph is making the same mistakes over and over again. There’s no time to put up with that in a real game because Randolph’s mistakes hurt his teammates as they cover for his mistakes, and hurt the team as a whole when the other team scores. And Nellie should leave him out there? No way. That’s not fair to his teammates and the team as a whole.

Someone needs to step in and help him cause obviously he needs it.

Yes, and that person needs to be good at knocking down people’s egos and teaching them how to be humble, to be receptive, and to be a willing student. Now, I’m not saying that Randolph is COMPLETELY shutting everyone out, but he’s doesn’t seem as wide open, receptive, and accepting to advice, tips, and tricks as Morrow or Curry are. And no past NBA superstar power forward/center can possibly help Randolph right now if he’s not fully open to learning new things and developing himself and his game.

Even then, it still comes down to Randolph and whether he WANTS to be humble, he WANTS to be a good student, and he WANTS to follow all the things the coaches are showing him. That can only happen in his head he reaches a personal epiphany (an “ah-ha!” type moment when he realizes something profound) about himself, his attitude, and his lack of maturity. And no one can teach epiphanies. It happens when it happens. I hope Randolph reaches these life-lesson epiphanies quickly, because the rest of the team is learning and moving forward, and Randolph could be left behind.

by IQofaWarrior on Nov 29, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

which*

Thanks for the catch Brit

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"

by dubzfan on Nov 29, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

-Randolph just looks inexperienced and lost…
-Curry plays passively and he gets picked way too easily
-Monta gets intimidated too easily
-Morrow needs to work on ball-handling
-Radman needs to play more aggressively on the defense end but especially offensive.
-Maggette takes too many ill-advised shots and always expects a foul.


on the plus side
Chris Hunter did well on the pick and roll tonight,also he held his ground against Bynum as well.
Turiaf just came back from the injury so really didn’t expect much.

by Cpt. Jack in the Box on Nov 29, 2009 1:22 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I don't want Vlad being aggresive....

That’s like wanting Moore to post up more.

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"

by dubzfan on Nov 29, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

not just aggression...

But moving the rock….FAST… if the rock is not stationary…the defender cannot set up on it… we need to move the rock faster and more sensibly…

GSOM Blog Beast!

by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 29, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And that is where Monta needs help

Sometimes it looks like a 1 on 5. Not cause he’s selfish but cause he has too.

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"

by dubzfan on Nov 29, 2009 5:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The situation with Randolph pretty much played out how I saw it a year ago

I don’t see star or superstar in him. (I’ve been saying this for a long time so don’t tell me not to judge by few games). I HOPE I get proven wrong, but I doubt it.

by Am22mO on Nov 29, 2009 1:31 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Randolph

The guy played 15 minutes. 2/7 FG, 2/2 FT, 4 reb, 2 assists, 1 turnovers, 1 steal and 2 blocked shots. Other than his FG percentage, which I admit is pretty significant, he really didn’t have that bad of a night.

Yes, he got into it with Gasol, but I don’t have a problem with that at all. If you remember the two plays leading up to that scuffle: 1. Randolph absolutely smashed the ball out of Gasol’s hands to force a steal. 2. Randolph deflected a pass headed for Gasol and attempted to dive into the crowd to save it. You fault him because he should of shown more remorse to the fans? He was obviously heated/amped up at that point.

Lastly, feltbot, you imply that this performance by Randolph should confirm that he is not NBA ready. So, you think Mikki Moore is NBA ready? (after he blew about 4 assists from Curry)? How about Radman, the 3 point specialist who is scared to shoot 3’s? You are right, we have ton’s of better options than Randolph. Hopefully this will show everyone that the best place for Randolph is on the bench.

by randolphforpresident on Nov 29, 2009 11:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"NBA ready"

came out of Keith Smart’s mouth, not mine. I want to see Randolph play. My point is simply that he is being managed correctly. When he’s productive he should play, when he’s not, he should sit.

by Feltbot on Nov 29, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Monta vs. Kobe

I though the Monta vs. Kobe match up was pretty even tonight. Of course Monta needed help guarding Kobe! Who doesn’t? But Monta did a good job Kobe. Kobe had to work to get his points tonight. He didn’t get to the line a bunch of times and he was forced into mostly contested shots.

Kobe, on the other hand, got a ton of help on defense guarding Monta as well. When Kobe went for steals or got burned there were 2 or 3 defenders behind him. The whole Laker defense was geared towards stopping Monta, and Bynum and Gasol are way better interior defenders than Moore and Radmanovic.

by 3ballbombers on Nov 29, 2009 1:33 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

totally agreed

Monta even forced a couple air balls, and Kobe got all kinds of help on D too. It was just a different form of a double team. It’s really obvious when the Warriors are doubling cause it happens when Kobe is posting. The Lakers form of the double on Monta was shading everyone over to his side to stop the drive to the hoop. And like you said, the quality of the defenders helping on Monta are quite a bit better. Monta did have some bad turnovers though. I’m hoping he wont be committing so many as we get deeper into the season.

Looking forward to getting to a softer part of the schedule.

by sjsnider on Nov 29, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I thought it was pretty even too

I was definitely impressed by Monta during the game. Once it became clear in the first quarter that the entire Laker defense was focused on him, I felt he did a good job picking his spots and setting up other people. I remember one play when he blew by Fisher and hit Hunter on the baseline for a dunk as an example. The only problem Monta had was teammates that weren’t ready once the ball was in their hands tonight.

by LakerFan24 on Nov 29, 2009 6:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

From the beginning, this game was not ours to win. It wasn’t even going to be close. Trotting out Vlad Rad and Mikki against Gasol/Bynum… no shame in losing this one.

I was happy with our play tonight. As our commentators emphasized—LA is on a different level, even compared to the Celts, Cavs, Mavs, etc. But Monta played Kobe hard on defense, forcing him into some tough shots. Curry showed flashes of Nash. CJ tried to put someone on a poster, that was cute. Mags was solid. Pretty good rotations on defense. Lots of mistakes, but I doubt from lack of effort. That they even came out of the tunnel at all was pretty impressive… that’s how big the talent disparity was.

An empty barrel makes the most noise.

by antihero on Nov 29, 2009 1:47 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah they are on a different level with the officials too

How many times could a Warrior player be hit in the fact and not get a foul call against the Lakers, but if Derek Fisher is out of control with no chance to score, a foul on the Warriors! The game was a joke the officials ruined any kind of momentum the Warriors had.

Especially when the Warriors looked like they were going to go on a big run when they cut the lead to nine, but an obvious offensive foul was not called and instead Artest got a three point play.

I think it was then the Warriors realized they were not going to get a call from these awful officials so there really wasn’t a point to trying hard if they weren’t going to get a call to begin with.

by Rocky63215 on Nov 29, 2009 9:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How can one complain about the officiating in a 30 point differential

Now i believe at times officials can take a game over, but usually in games decided by 10 points or less.

I watched the game, the warriors had some tough breaks with the calls, but they shot the same amount of free throws as the lakers so i cant say the refs made a huge difference in the game.

by RA37thriller on Nov 29, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Well, it’s a young team. A lot of them take things personally, as we saw with Randolph getting heated about Gasol. A couple bad calls/bad no calls can really get under a player’s skin.

by Reverend_Randy on Nov 29, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, if they had kept their cool on some of those calls, we might have been able to keep it to under 20.

by jae on Nov 29, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Because you're looking at what happened after the fact

The officials were horrendous all game long. Warrior players were being fouled yet no whistle would come. The biggest issue happened when the Warriors needed a defensive stop and had just gotten the game finally to under double digits.

Artest had the ball with Maggette guarding him, before he took a dribble Artest tried creating space by using his arm and hit Maggette right in the face instead of being an offensive foul and the chance to cut the lead to seven or six and gain even more confidence that they could play with the Lakers.

Instead it became a three point play for Artest. After that point I think the Warriors just started giving up on plays and attacking the rim because they knew they weren’t going to get a foul call.

by Rocky63215 on Nov 29, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Funny comment if it wasn't so sad

The Warrior front office is so dysfunctional that it’s put blinders on some of their die-hard fans. The two teams shot the same number of FTs in a 33-pt game, and the Lakers took a few more shots from inside the paint than the Warriors did. The officiating had nothing to do with the outcome of this game. The size and talent of the Lakers had everything to do with it.

Also, it’s obvious that the coaching staff hasn’t gotten through to Randolph yet. His stat line looks OK if you don’t watch the game. The one turnover he made was just an awful one, committing a charging foul on a four-on-one fast break instead of passing the ball to the open man on either side of Farmar for a dunk. The play where he went into the crowd showed both his desire to win and his immaturity at the same time. Gasol slapped hands with him to congratulate him on his hustle while going over to check on the fans who Randolph wiped out, and Randolph took exception to that and got into Gasol’s face. At least he didn’t look like he was going to cry, which happened a lot last season. The kid needs to get it into his head that he’s got four teammates out there, and the ones that he’s on the court with are the ones who can play effective NBA ball (he’s rarely on the court with Moore and Vlad).

by The Dude Abides on Nov 29, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately the Yahoo link does not work for overseas folks...

But Orangino has included the discussion…on his YouTube montage…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rner6vlo-fU

I have to say….Randolph absolutely “clatters” those courtside fans….again…. very poor that he didnt even raise a hand to acknowledge them….in short..

“CALM THE (procreate) DOWN!”

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by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 29, 2009 4:46 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

that was crazy how he just leveled the fans in the front and just got up and walked straight to Gasol’s face. It did look like he was saying “back up” to kobe.. lol. but yeah, AR needs to calm down.

by adoboguy on Nov 29, 2009 9:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Gasol actually went to see if the fans were okay. I think that pissed Randolph off.

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by Justin N. on Nov 29, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Did you not see in the fourth

When Kobe was trying to take Ellis one on one and went for a turnaround jumper, but Ellis played perfect defense and forced Bryant into an airball, or in my mind from what I saw that Ellis actually blocked the shot.

Vladimir Radmanovich reverted back to what he’s always been a horrific offensive player.

by Rocky63215 on Nov 29, 2009 9:29 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

For God sake trade Ellis

IMO, trading Ellis n Maggette is essential if not necessarily. If you guys want a guy who scores 20 pts a game, Iverson is available but the only way this team improves is if we get rid of Ellis sell him high n trade a 9 mill rotation player Maggette. For those who think this line up can compete, then I feel sorry for you guys, this is not a playoff team. It creates a losing culture, we need superstars who can be consistent n play both end of the floor, what makes you guys think if we keep losing we can attract good players in here, yes money talks n bullshit walks, but everybody got money in this league. We end up with either bums or chumps who can’t play hoop. What’s mikki n Rad doing for this team, we need to start thinking about the future, I would trade anyone in return of two solid good players.

Waaaarriors

by puffylove on Nov 29, 2009 9:46 AM PST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Ellis is the franchise

There’s no way he’s being traded.

by Rocky63215 on Nov 29, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's another one to go into my quote list...

There is a little collection at the moment of bold quotes such as this, that he will never be traded, or wont ask to be traded… Keep a pair of padded shorts in the closet as you may need them when reality comes and takes a bite.

;)

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by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 29, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha. So can we presume you’re the one wearing the padded shorts for the time being?

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Nov 29, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

around here...are you kidding me????

I am aways wearing my padded shorts….there is always someone nipping at you…

;)

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by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 29, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There’s no way he’s being traded.

 Haha, never say never, they traded Hardaway for Bimbo Coles din’t they?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 29, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Iverson? Really?

Right now Monta>Iverson.

"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald

by WarriorForLife on Nov 29, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose Biedrins, Monta, Buike, and our 1st rounder is good for Amare then huh?

Or that AI is going to become humble and come of the bench? When pigs fly……

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"

by dubzfan on Nov 29, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Anthony Randolph vs. Himself
Keith Smart wisely pulled Randolph from the game, and left him on the bench until garbage time. Will this performance cause the Bay Area media to lower the heat on Don Nelson over Randolph’s playing time, and seriously consider Coach Smart’s insinuation that Randolph is not NBA-ready? Um, I wouldn’t count on it.

True words indeed.

I don’t really think this is about Randolph vs. Nellie. It’s more like Randolph vs Himself as my colleague Feltbot astutely noted.

At the end of the day the Warriors got beat by a team whose management in stark contrast to their own is actually out there trying to win games. Sorry but that’s not Cohan and Rowell’s goal #1, #2, or #3.

Golden State of Mind :: Always keeping it... "Unstoppable Baby!"

by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 29, 2009 10:08 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I missed Nelson

His craziness would have done better against the Lakers that Keith Smart

by placid on Nov 29, 2009 10:27 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

WW = Hunter

had the best +/- at -1, I know its a stat the stat junkies hate, I just think its funny.

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by qin on Nov 29, 2009 11:25 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I am liking this guy...and liking him a lot...

He just has a very matter of fact way about him…bearing in mind he is only 25 himself…he looks like he has been playing the NBA for 10 years…

He is the type of player a coach loves…because you will know EXACTLY what you are going to get from him. I hope we keep this guy in the squad…. he reminds me a bit of Croshere….you knew when you put him on that he can do what you want him to…and just might…throw in a few surprise performances that really help when you need it…

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by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 29, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hunter

The guy needs to start over Mikki Moore. Moore missed wide open lay ups and dunks.

by DubsFan408 on Nov 29, 2009 7:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

DNPCD????

In the link for the games boxscore, bell, goose and buike are listed as dnpcd. Anyone know why, or is this just a mistake???

Monta- 23ppg 6 apg 4 rpg
+
Ammo - 15ppg 3 apg 5rpg
+
AR- 19 ppg 9 rpg 2 apg
+
Currry- 13ppg 6 apg 4 rpg
+
Beans - 12 ppg 12 rpg
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Radman off the Bench =

8th SEED BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by KashRocks on Nov 29, 2009 12:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

They throw those DNP-CDs out there as a general “He didn’t play for some reason” and not really as the coach’s decision that they’re named for. All those players you named are clearly injured…

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Nov 29, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Take a look at this

Curry – Fisher
Ellis-Bryant
Maggette-Artest
Radmonovich-Gasol
Moore-Bynum

Do you seriously think we could of won with those match-ups?[excluding the Curry and Fisher]

by Cpt. Jack in the Box on Nov 29, 2009 3:43 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yes I like our bench there....

How did you get to this trade might I ask? ;)

so the Lakers got back from us..Morrow, CJ, Biedrins, Wright, Randolph, Bell, Hunter, Turiaf, Radmanovich, George and Claxton…..

seems fair to me…

LOL :)

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by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 29, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I just kept thinkin, SMALL, throughout the entire game.

Not only did the Warriors look small, but they played small, and were literally small, especially in comparison to the Lakers.

No chance, whatsoever.

by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Nov 29, 2009 3:57 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

bad game overall

monta had an ok game, but was out muscled constantly by kobe. steph played decent on offense but was repeatedly burned on defense by fisher which is unacceptable. obviously we don’t have anyone to stop bynum or gasol. vlad is garbage, his one saving grace for being in the league was his shot and he can’t throw the ball in the ocean anymore. randolph is simply not a good basketball player right now, and until he learns that his first, second, third, and fouth priorities should be rebounding and defense, he will never be a good player. i cringe everytime he catches the ball for on the wing because 100% of the time he launches a jumper, and 99% of the time it’s a brick. morrow desperately needs to work on his ballhandling, at least once he had an open lane and simply dribbled it out of bounds

by AJC3317 on Nov 29, 2009 4:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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