Why bench Randolph?
Don has lost his mind, he even completely dodged a question about him after the game where he said Gasol would be too tough a matchup, really Don? Let the young fella play it out so he can get better! He always gives his all and produces every time he gets in. Trust me when I say once he gets 25 - 30 minutes a game he will be playing like a star. After such a great offseason where Nellie always praised him this is how he treats him? Do you think they got into an off the court incident?
Lets hope Nellie does not do to Anthony like he did with C -Webb.
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yea dude..
im askin the same question..i dont understand it at all unless his back is still bothering him..
by blacksamurai33 on Nov 4, 2009 11:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think its a combo of three things
1) Don Nelson needs his 24 wins to set the record for games won
2) AR’s back isn’t fully healed
3) AR’s erratic play to start the season alarmed Nelson and he is trying to make sure that he doesn’t fall into bad habits.
I’m hoping its #2 and 3 mostly, but its entirely possible that its only #1. We will see
by Pearlsofwisdom on Nov 5, 2009 12:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking it's #3
My theory has been that AR couldn’t handle the pressure and reverted back to his old ways in those first 2 games, especially game 2. So my guess is that Nellie is easing him into playing in control by giving him easier guys to guard.
by IQofaWarrior on Nov 5, 2009 12:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How can people repeatedly watch don nelson do the exact same thing in different places and still give him the benifet of the doubt?
by 123707THIZZ on Nov 5, 2009 12:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because despite having a reputation of not playing rookies
he’s letting Stephen Curry play. Why? Why Curry but not Randolph? What’s the difference? Both have skill, both have potential. So what’s the difference? My best guess, Curry’s playing under control, Randolph isn’t.
by IQofaWarrior on Nov 5, 2009 12:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that old risk/reward cliche
Better to get that first win with the steadier players (at Randolph’s position in this game, M’gette and Moore). The game was never that secure, and there’s nothing like a bad turnover or blown defense or bad foul to change the momentum. Curry is very steady for a rookie, possesses poise and composure, and received consistent play and coaching through college, compared to Randolph’s single year in a troubled program at LSU, making their nba experience almost irrelevant. The two illustrate how young humanoids change physically, mentally, emotionally pretty rapidly even between the ages of 20 and 22. Giving more playing time to Randolph certainly will reap rewards in his development, but this was probably not the best game to try it. A loss to another young, disjointed team at home would have stirred up more unneeded stress and soap opera.
by the.monk on Nov 5, 2009 1:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nelson and Randolph
Nelson seems to make some posters paranoid, like he has a grand plan to destroy the Warriors (as if they weren’t already destroyed before he got here), but in large, I think you are correct.
He’s terribly conservative when it comes to playing non-skilled young players and like many other successful coaches, Larry Brown, Jerry Sloan, etc.., he just can’t stand playing young players who make mental mistakes, no matter what their potential.
That said, with Turiaf injured and Biedrins in foul trouble, it amazes me that anyone would play Miki Moore over Randolph. I was at the game last night and there is just no way anyone could convice me that the Warriors would have been less productive with Randolph playing over Moore.
It is not Nelson’s way to let Randolph develop by playing through his mistakes, but rather to minimize Randolph’s mistakes by making him eliminate them in order to earn playing time. It’s an old school method and its particuarly frustrating when the alternative is watching Miki Moore play.
by San Francisco Slim on Nov 5, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I still maintain that barring a handful of coaches, Randolph would probably have received double the amount of minutes he’s had here in just over a year.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
by kenntoe on Nov 5, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
#1
Nelson doesn’t make sane, long term decisions. He’s impulsive, short tempered, a control freak, and an egomaniac.
Nelson’s method has ALWAYS been to humiliate/alienate/bench/trade all the really good players/stars, so that all we are left with is a bunch of overachieving no names, who he can then “coach” with his huge basketball “genius,” into winning a few more games than they apparently should. (Of course the no-name players are generally better than the league gives them credit for, like Morrow, or Buike. So even the pretense that Nelson teams are “overachievers” because of his superior coaching, is a myth.)
Nelson intentionally handicaps his teams by pissing off, benching, or trading good players, so that he can “rescue” the now “bad team” from losing. That’s it. That’s Nelson’s whole show.
It’s too easy for a genius like Nelson to win with good players. To really show off his immense coaching talent, he has to win with “bad” ones.
Everyone knows Randolph will be star “big” in the NBA. Therefore, on a Don Nelson team, he must sit.
by formerlythecity on Nov 5, 2009 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Finally someone understands it!
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On a back porch in July
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At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 5, 2009 11:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What scares me is that he does not look as erratic as he did last year
I like the energy he brings. If he can control himself that would be nice but you don’t want to completely control him. Another fear is that AR may take it the wrong way and go the way of C Webb. I don’t think it’s any of those. If it were 2 he would not be active, if it were 1 he at least would get 15 mins. And 3 is plausible but unlikely. I think there is something else going on. He dodged the question about him after the game which is very suggesting
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
by dubzfan on Nov 5, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I swear if it comes down to firing Nelson or trading Randolph, Cohan you better make the right choice. And it ain’t trading Randolph either!
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
by kenntoe on Nov 5, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m all for We Suck but it’s clear that the kid is still injured. All this talk about “oh he’s a backup center now!!” is silly; Nelson will somehow use 100 different starting lineups in 82 games, so the depth chart is meaningless.
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by GameSix on Nov 5, 2009 7:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
We Believe?
We Won? WE WHINE!!!!!
by crab dribble cocktail on Nov 5, 2009 7:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I love it
WE WHINE! That’s my new slogan.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 7, 2009 10:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don Nelson is an OLD FOOL!!
FIRE HIM!!!!
by HireMeAsGM on Nov 5, 2009 8:52 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
I like Randolph as much as the next guy, really. I think he’s the future of this team but, he looks completely lost out there on the court. Doesn’t know where to be, what to do. Just reacts vs anticipates on both offense and defense. I’m all for giving him experience but it’s clear he can learn more at his development level in practive than a game. He may have spent a lot of time in the gym this summer but he needs to watch video/ paper work/ learn the plays, i.e. where to be and when.
On the flip side, curry understands spacing, when to cut, when to pass, when to shoot, where to go when the ball is rotated. Those are the things Randolph looks clue less of. I’m sure on the nba level it has to drive Nellie crazy. He’s supoosed to be a proffessional right?
Don’t get me wrong, i see randolph being a future all start and cornerstone of the team. Nellie did a good job with him last year, it looks like some of the same stuff again. I’m just glad to see Morrow in the show last night. He should be able to do that evey night.
by Balance on Nov 5, 2009 9:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
cause
Nellie can’t make up his freaking mind what he wants him to do. Shoot the ball, no you’re shooting too much. Push the ball up the court, no you’re trying to do too much. So now he’s unsure of himself and totally confused. Give the kid a position, and let him play.
by bayareaballa on Nov 5, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Trying to read Nellie’s mind is a fool’s errand, but I’d bet good money that he’s thinking something like this:
1) “Anthony Randolph was at his best last year at center.” (True, incidentally.)
2) “It really bugs me that Biedrins can’t shoot.” (Nellie has never seemed too into Biedrins.)
3) “If we can establish Randolph at the five, I’ll be free to trade Biedrins for a four that can shoot.”
I don’t think Nellie’s trying to force Randolph out. If anything, he’s trying to force Biedrins out. Nellie’s no fool… he knows Randolph has the highest ceiling of any Warrior. And if Randolph is even 10% likelier to reach that ceiling at center, it’s probably worth putting him there. It has the side benefit, in Nellie’s eyes, of making Biedrins tradeable.
I think Nellie underestimates Biedrins… his rebounding and efficiency do a ton for us. But, if a Biedrins package could bring back Bosh, I don’t think we’d spend much time missing Biedrins. Hell, if we did Monta & Biedrins for Bosh (and expirings), it’d be worthwhile.
I think Nellie’s dreaming on this:
PG – Stephen Curry
SG – Anthony Morrow
SF – Corlenna Maggettubuike
PF – Chris Bosh
C – Anthony Randolph
…and I can’t blame him for it.
by onlxn on Nov 5, 2009 11:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I really lol'd
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 7, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i think his dream lineup
would have jackson at the 3.
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by LostHawkGSW on Nov 5, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lol at Maggettebuike
But putting AR at center is not right just yet. He’s tall enough but not strong enough, nor does he have the post game for it. It’s like putting Odom or Amare at center.. It sounds good but is it really going to be affective?
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
by dubzfan on Nov 5, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Randolph seems to be a better rebounder and shot-affecter than either of those guys… he held up really quite well defensively as a center in his limited minutes there last year. Offensively, he doesn’t have the post skills you’d like to see in a center, but he doesn’t have the post skills you’d like to see in a power forward, either. He’s just a raw offensive player, no matter where you play him.
I’m not convinced that his future is or should be at the five… it’s hard to imagine a guy that skinny handling the Shaqs and Odens of the world. But I don’t think we can rule it out, either. Thus far, his freakish length and athleticism have lent themselves best to big-man play.
by onlxn on Nov 6, 2009 12:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Nellie’s trying to force Randolph out. If anything, he’s trying to force Biedrins out.
interesting theory. Maybe that’s why they don’t run plays for Dre very often?
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 5, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Biedrins sure does seem like an afterthought on offense thus far, so who knows. Maybe that’ll change as Curry gets used to playing with him, or maybe Nellie really isn’t interested in Biedrins as a weapon.
by onlxn on Nov 6, 2009 12:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he was forcing Beans out AR would be getting his minutes at center
Not sitting on the bench
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
by dubzfan on Nov 6, 2009 8:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Except for the whole back and erractic play things...
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 7, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't listen to this guy
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 7, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The warriors team has 2 of the most talented young big potential guys in the game in Curry and Randolph, i could see them both being 10 time all stars…unless Nelson totally ruins Randolph’s development.
by CavsLebronFan on Nov 7, 2009 12:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 7, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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