RUMOR: Charlotte Bobcats (+ Cleveland Cavaliers and Denver Nuggets) Interested in Stephen Jackson- Boris Diaw anyone?

by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 5, 2009 10:48 PM PST in Rumors Comment 40 comments

I thought R Dizzle's joke and entire recap from earlier today was pretty hilarious, so let me hit the rewind button for this Stephen Jackson tidbit:

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Marc Stein writes on ESPN True Hoop Don't forget Bobcats in Stephen Jackson sweepstakes (read that again- "Stephen Jackson sweepstakes"... hilarious):

It's been about a week since we had any certifiable chatter to pass along on the Stephen Jackson trade front. That's not because the Warriors have slowed the search for trade partners -- to the contrary -- but because the most interested parties (Cleveland and Denver) are generally high-payroll teams that can't easily absorb Jackson's long-term contract. The Cavs and the Nuggets, furthermore, just aren't teeming with tradeable (and available) assets to hook Golden State.

What we can confirm, though, is that Charlotte has to be mentioned more prominently on the list of interested suitors. We've briefly noted the Bobcats' interest in a couple of previous entries, but further checking reveals that the Bobs have seriously explored the prospect of trading for Jackson, apparently undaunted by the fact that they weren't mentioned when Jackson announced late in the summer that he wanted to be dealt to Cleveland, New York or one of the three Texas teams.

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Charlotte's first choice -- in any deal -- remains moving Nazr Mohammed first, Vladimir Radmanovic second and packaging them together if possible. The Bobcats have been trying to move Mohammed for months and could make a deal with Golden State work cap-wise by combining Mohammed and Radmanovic -- both of whom are earning $6.5 million this season and $6.9 million next season -- for Jackson and the smaller expiring contracts of Acie Law and Devean George.

Yet you shouldn't expect Golden State to settle for anything less than Diaw, whose abilities as a point forward would undoubtedly appeal to Don Nelson. The Warriors continue to transmit the message that they won't rush the process just for the sake of parting with Jackson, preferring to wait until Dec. 15 or maybe even the trade deadline in February in hopes of getting back something of value for a player who, in their view, has been far more productive than problematic when you look at his whole Warriors career.

Shipping "Captain" Jack to the hoops boonies for Boris Diaw aka Miss Gossip's main crush?

Where do I sign up?

Stephen Jackson said he wanted to play for a contender.

How about a contender for John Wall?

via dunkside.com

Diaw broke out back in 2005-2006 with the original 7 Seconds or Less minus Amare Stoudemire Phoenix Suns where he shockingly put up 13.3 ppg, 6.9 rpg, and 6.2 apg with a swat mixed in for good effect. After that he never quite matched those averages with the Suns and was shipped out to Charlotte for Jason Richardson. Diaw did have a nice resurgence last year dropping nearly 15-6-5 under the always fidgety Larry Brown. At age 27 Diaw is right at his NBA prime, so it's probably not the last time we'll see this type of production from the French forward. And who knows? If Diaw managed to kick that croissant habit maybe he'll even better those numbers in the coming years.

In Nellieball my crystal ball sees Boris Diaw as Billy Owens Part II and for the cost of a "Captain" that's quite the bargain.

Billy Owens drawing his usual quadruple team.

Also see: Polling GSoM: Was Billy Owens a "monumental NBA bust"?

Boris Diaw

#32 / Forward / Charlotte Bobcats

Height: 6-8

Weight: 235

Born: Apr 16, 1982

College: None

			FG			3PT			FT			Rebounds			Misc
	G	M	M	A	Pct	M	A	Pct	M	A	Pct	Off	Def	Tot	Ast	TO	Stl	Blk	PF	PPG
2009 - Boris Diaw	4	36.0	3.5	8.5	41.2	0.5	2.0	25.0	3.5	3.5	100.0	2.3	2.8	5.0	5.0	2.3	1.3	0.8	2.0	11.0

I must say though props to Larry Riley and Don Nelson. They're playing this exactly right. Riley is showing patience in this undesirable situation and an unwillingness to sell low on Jackson just for the sake of getting rid of the team's former "Captain". Nellie is saying all the right things to the media as well- hyping up Jackson and not publicly criticizing him when he deserves it for his "leadership" and on-court play. He's even going so far to say he hopes Jack doesn't get traded. Crafty Nellie is doing his best used car salesman impression. Hornets fans aren't buying it, but maybe some unsuspecting GM in the association can be duped.

More from True Hoop about kicking the "Captain" off the Warriors ship

From the GSoM Vault:

99.9% of rumors never happen, but 99.9% of them are fun to talk about!

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Who would you rather have on the Warriors right now?

Stephen "Captain" Jackson

153 votes

Boris Diaw

703 votes

Captain Jack Sparrow

424 votes

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Sounds Like Good News!

Well at least the front office isn’t taking anyones garbage that is offered up for Jackson. Its about time we use our assets and actually improve the team via trade.

I would definatley make the trade taking Diaw and maybe even taking on Mohammed to provide depth up front. It looks as though Charlotte is more interested in dumping a couple of unwanted salaries rather than actual interest in Stephen Jackson.

by ajtrinc on Nov 5, 2009 11:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

If thats true

tell StackJack to pack his bags, Boris Diaw is a dream PF to this team and Nellie’s style of play…Sorry Randolph, keep developing…I guess

by Brothaplease09 on Nov 5, 2009 11:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I really think there could be plenty of minutes for Diaw, Randolph, Biedrins and Turiaf. Sure it would mean either Diaw or Randolph would have to spend some time at the 3, which isnt ideal (though Diaw’s rebound rate plays much better there), but it also means very little or no Maggette at the 4 and hopefully it would mean the end of Mikki Moore getting significant playing time. I think its also fairly reasonable to expect that we’ll be without at least one of Biedrins, Maggette, Turiaf or one of the wings for at least half the games we play this season. I don’t particularly love Diaw (I know he’s kind of a different type of forward, but his rebounding and turnovers are still atrocious), but I do still love this trade.

Thing A

by sam23 on Nov 5, 2009 11:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

yep

That’s about where I’m at on it. Nellie’s been using Jack as a combo forward, which is absurd, but so be it; this trade would give us a combo forward who shoots more efficiently and less often, rebounds better (not well, but better), and, reputations aside, is probably a better defender. Diaw turns it over even more often than Jack, which is incredible… still, we’d be getting a younger player with a better contract who’s a better fit for our team. The more I look at it, the more I like it… it’d be a clear win for us.

by onlxn on Nov 6, 2009 12:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

OTOH

There’s no way in hell we should have to take on Mohammed’s and/or Radmanovic’s contract to add Diaw. The straight one-for-one deal works; if Charlotte demands that we accept some of their garbage in addition, I’d rather we keep fishing for better offers.

by onlxn on Nov 6, 2009 12:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

the only way we should be taking back Mohammed and/or Radmonovic on top of Diaw is if its a much, much larger deal where we’re shipping out Maggette and/or Gerald Wallace is headed our way.

Thing A

by sam23 on Nov 6, 2009 2:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

YES

lets send em maggs + jack +george+speedy for diaw/wallace/mohammed or radm

i’d be down to take on the mohammed contract to get rid of maggs and receive wallace

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by LostHawkGSW on Nov 6, 2009 2:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

yea

I think its seriously unlikely Charlotte would go for that even if we did throw in something like Wright, but it sure is fun to daydream about

Curry/Monta/CJ
Monta/Morrow
Wallace/Buike
Randolph/Diaw
Biedrins/Turiaf/Mohammed

Thing A

by sam23 on Nov 6, 2009 2:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah well maybe

Bobcats know their team isnt’ working and their coach can actually coach maggs + jack that would probably maximize their potential under a well run system and Wallace and Diaw were made to run under a system like Nelly.

by bojangles408 on Nov 6, 2009 3:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

No way anyone takes on Maggette at this point. I cant imagine a front office being that stupid. Also, Im pretty sure the numbers dont work for a straight up diaw for jackson swap, which i dont think they would do anyways.

by MO-ped MO-problems on Nov 6, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Check that, the numbers do work for a straight up deal. Still dont think they would do that. Who knows though, my buddy went to Simmons book signing in SF yesterday and asked him where he thought Jack would end up. Simmons said Charlotte, and when my friend asked him why, he said “because they’re the only front office that might be stupider than the warriors.”

by MO-ped MO-problems on Nov 6, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Diaw turns it over even more often than Jack, which is incredible…

that’s only because dribbling around a lot and hoisting a shot or pulling up for a quick jumper helps your TO rate.

TO rate = TO / (FGA + 0.44 x FTA + TO)

by homer simpson on Nov 6, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

True. Still and all, though, Diaw amasses a pile of turnovers for a guy who doesn’t shoot much. Mitigated by his passing ability, but worth noting.

by onlxn on Nov 6, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Diaw turns it over even more often than Jack, which is incredible

How you figure?

In 2008-2009:

Stephen Jackson: 3.9 tov per game, 3.5 tov per 36 (gasp)
Boris Diaw: 2.7 tov per game, 2.8 tov per 36

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by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 6, 2009 9:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe they meant “Diaw eats more apple turnovers than Jack”

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Nov 6, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs

Haha. In Owen’s defense, he did say it was incredible…

I’m going with samuraaaaiiiiiii’s “apple turnover” theory.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Nov 6, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Heh.

Diaw’s turnover percentage is higher, meaning that if he’s the last guy to touch the ball on an offensive play, it’s more likely to result in a turnover than when Jack’s the last guy to touch the ball on an offensive play. It basically means that Diaw takes some of Jack’s bricks and turns them into outright turnovers. Not a big deal… I think Diaw’s the better player. But a turnover is worse than a brick, and in that sense, Diaw’s sloppiness is in some ways worse than Jack’s.

by onlxn on Nov 6, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Turiaf

Wouldn’t it be safe to assume that Turiaf will have to involved in this deal for the Bobcats to give up Diaw. I have nothing to base this on other than a hunch. If its true that the guys they want to get rid of are Radmanovic and/or Mohammed, isnt Diaw a big step up from either of those guys?

by MO-ped MO-problems on Nov 6, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Give me that fat frenchman

He is at least potentially useful. Let him run under Nellie and he gets in shape. Playing ultraslow in a frustrating town like Charlotte easily makes you chubby.
I guess most other options only pollute the payroll with sucky contracts (Mohammed or the snowboarding Serbian) and/or useless players (although good) like “I-break-my-foot-again-if-I-have-to-run-for-Nellie” Big Z.

by TheGerman on Nov 5, 2009 11:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Radmanovic

I’m in at on as well. Jackson – Diaw is perfect. Jackson+Wright – Diaw+Ajinca is perfect. Jackson+Claxton – Diaw+Radmanovic is not bad if is necesary to take a bad contract from Charlotte.

I’m in at Jackson-Radmanovic at deadline, is a better trade than Ilgauskas or Dallas’ garbage.

by Spaniard on Nov 6, 2009 6:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

How about this?

CLE gets Jackson
GSW gets Big Z then waives him
CLE needs Jackson more than we do if they want to contend.

CHA gets AR + Maggette + Law + Claxton + 1st Rd Pick
GSW gets Wallace + Diaw

PG Curry – M8E
SG M8E – Morrow
SF Wallace – Buke
PF Diaw – Wright
C Beans – Turiaf

by gambinofam on Nov 6, 2009 6:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

hell no, are you crazy?!? AR and first rounder?

by willis52 on Nov 6, 2009 7:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

that musta been

the Charlotte GM?

Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky

by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 6, 2009 9:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Lol

Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........

by mykelala01 on Nov 7, 2009 6:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Ugh, Do not want.

by MO-ped MO-problems on Nov 6, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Did ATB1 take down my fanshot down?

That said the same thing?

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"

by dubzfan on Nov 6, 2009 8:45 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

There was a FanShot about 2 notches below yours that linked to the article you were referring to, but didn’t link to.

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by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 6, 2009 9:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'll take Capt Jack Sparrow

We need the excitement at the Boreacle this season more than the hoops talent of Diaw or JAX.
Imagine all the ladies that would be lining up around the bar following that trade!

by warriorsvictim on Nov 6, 2009 11:17 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Yea it’s funny when we’d rather have Johnny Depp suit up in a Warriors Uni than Jackson.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.

RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."

(MT)

by kenntoe on Nov 6, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

no Diaw he's overrated he's George with post moves, a patient dribble, and passing skill

Ok read this carefully: many may be repulsed at the salaries of Mohammed and Radmanovich, but it is only for this year and next. A great longterm move for the Warriors to do would be getting VR and NM for SJ, Claxton, and George if he’s necessary. I also think Charlotte should give us a 2nd rounder or two, but whatever as far as that. Here’s how this works: it addresses our needs inside this year with Wright being injured. NM is a good non-offensive center. Remember the Spurs started him next to Duncan when Oberto was not there and they won it all. Not that he’s a star but he can defend the stronger guys in our conference, Bynum, Oden, Kaman, Boozer, maybe Nene if Mohammed is healthy, etc. quite effectively off the bench esp. alongside Turiaf if Nelson keeps treating Randolph this way. As for Radmanovich, he is a good shooter and he can come in at the 3 for solid minutes as long as it’s not against the quicker most athletic 3s (Thornton, Anthony, Jefferson, Batum, Ariza, Jeff Green) he can make a good effort against Odom for example who has peaked and put on too much weight in my opinion. So again useful size on the roster. So what we do with Jackson gone is unclog perimeter minutes, make Maggette the main 3 and draft a topflight 3 next June to apprentice (Aminu? Is he worthwhile?). And we have the offense of VR off the bench. This summer we can let Moore walk, sign NM 3 years 10 mil, which he’ll take if he knows what’s good for him. So in ‘11, Azubuike and VR come off, since NJ has our pick, in summer 11 we sign a free agent and we’re looking at about 55 mil not counting said guy (if we keep AM and RT) for the whole roster, and see if said guy (not Bosh or Ginobili) can help get us to the 12 conf finals at least. So that’s how you get a 2-3 seed for 2012 and 2013 with a payroll in the low 60s off only 1 trade. Did I mention those will be Bryant’s 16th and 17th years? Really Portland and LAC should be our main challengers by then (Gordon, Thornton, Griffin) and Memphis and OKC if they want to be deep in luxury tax by then. And Utah/ Denver if they are wise when AK, Nene, etc become free agents. So in summer 2013 we’re sittin nice in the 30s to low 40s millions and we go sign a bench which everyone available will want to join the remains of this team [Ellis (player option), AB (player option) Curry, AR, Mohammed, Aminu or other 3 drafted in 2010, maybe Morrow, other inside guy, free agent 11 guy] that just came from a deep playoff run. Of course I doubt heavily that they could actually refrain from breaking up the team but this is such a simple plan. Wow how unrealistic of me to be so logical when it comes to the Warriors’ personnel moves. – Grimace, leaves room-

by polar on Nov 6, 2009 11:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

no Diaw he’s overrated he’s George with post moves, a patient dribble, and passing skill

Those are some pretty big differences, to be fair.

A great longterm move for the Warriors to do would be getting VR and NM for SJ, Claxton, and George if he’s necessary.

“Great”? I’m fine with the Dubs trading Jack for ‘11 expirings if they can’t find anything better, but I’d regard that as something of a worst-case scenario, especially since this version would require us losing a ’10 expiring.

Remember the Spurs started him next to Duncan when Oberto was not there and they won it all.

I do remember that… that was five years ago. Mohammed’s 32 now. He was a useful backup for awhile, but he wasn’t at all useful last year, and he’s not looking too useful this year, either. I think he’s basically done. There’s a reason Charlotte wants to dump him so badly.

As for Radmanovich, he is a good shooter and he can come in at the 3 for solid minutes

I wouldn’t disagree that Radmanovic has his uses, but does a team with Maggette, Azubuike and Morrow really have any need for him? I don’t think he’d merit minutes at the three over any of those guys.

As for the rest of your analysis, I’m optimistic about our talent on hand, but not nearly as optimistic as you. I don’t think we’re a mid-tier free agent away from a 2-3 seed, in ‘11, ’12 or any time… we’re still missing a real star and some defensive ability (although a coaching change might help a lot in that area). And the West isn’t going to become a cakewalk any time soon. Houston’s a smart franchise with a boatload of cap space coming next summer; hell, I’m not sure that Minnesota’s crop of young talent is better than ours.

We’re at least one big move away from really being interesting. Trading Jack for two non-contributors who expire in ’11 would it make incrementally harder to make that big move. This trade would be better than nothing, but a lot of trades would be better than this.

by onlxn on Nov 6, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Indent.

Theres a button on your keyboard that says “tab.” Look into that.

by MO-ped MO-problems on Nov 6, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

56% think this would be a good trade????

Man, you fans are desperate. For what? Believe it or not Jax is probably our best player. He avgd 20 last yr and is the teams best defender. Why the hell would we want Diaw and his $9 mil for 2 more years. Someone will give the W’s an expirer. That, or true value, is the best bet for a trade. I’d rather be a player in the 2010 FA market than be strapped with Diaw clogging Randolph’s position for the next 2 yrs.

Desperate, but let’s not be STUPID once again. Wait it out. Jax said he’ll behave, so who cares. It’s not like this team is going anywhere anytime soon, or like getting rid of Jax is going to make them a playoff contender.

Dumb PARALLEL move that stunts (yet another) youth movement which won’t make this team better now or even in a year. If Diaw was an expirer or equal to Jax’s talent, then that’s another story.

by RowellMustGo on Nov 7, 2009 12:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I like how you argue for Jackson by pointing out his per game scoring and overrated defense while arguing against him while pointing out Diaw’s contract. Yea, Diaw’s contract isn’t good, but its better than Jackson’s because its one year shorter. Diaw is likely a bettter defensive player than Jackson, a more efficient scorer than Jackson, and he’s younger. Does it really matter if Diaw clogs up Randolph’s position if Nelson is just going to play Jackson or Maggette at the 4 anyway? At least Diaw is a little better suited to play there and he’ll likely be gone sooner. Even if this move is a parallel one its a positive for this team because theyll get slightly bigger, younger and shave one year off Jackson’s deal. Don’t worry, you won’t miss Jackson that much, you’ll still see Diaw turn the ball over and rebound at nearly the same rate Jackson did.

Thing A

by sam23 on Nov 7, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I can’t believe how far this team has fallen. I remember rumors of getting KG, getting Mike MIller, trading Baron/Harrington for Billups/Prince. Those were the days. How can a team fall so far in such a short period of time.

by RowellMustGo on Nov 7, 2009 12:17 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

we were going to give up better, younger, and more reasonably priced players for those guys. If you start throwing out names like Curry, Monta, Randolph, Wright, and Biedrins instead of Randolph you’ll start hearing bigger names coming back to us in trade rumors. I’d rather be discussing moving our unhappy players with bad contracts than be discussing moving our best young players.

Thing A

by sam23 on Nov 7, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Now we’re talking about taking other teams scraps for yet another malcontent player. F’n De Ja Vu. Why the hell r people still showing up to games (like tonight’s). Boycott this mess or it’ll be the same ol same ol from the Cohan, Nelson and the rest of the clowns.

by RowellMustGo on Nov 7, 2009 12:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

From what i read on these comments you warriors fans dont think much of Anthony Randolph do you? Do you guys realise almost everyone else thinks hes a superstar in the making. If he was at any other team this season he’d be playing 35 minutes a game. But Don Nelson is messing around with the most talented guy on his roster, and surprisingly a lot of fans think the same way he does. Its maddening. Randolph is a stud, Warrior fans please figure it out before you lose him.

by CavsLebronFan on Nov 7, 2009 12:47 AM PST reply actions 0 recs