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RUMOR: 76ers Contacted Warriors about Samuel Dalembert + Warriors trying to trade Stephen Jackson + Cavaliers still interested in Jackson

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Jump for a tiny tidbit about the talks between the Sixers and Warriors about the man our friends over at Liberty Ballers call SAM BAM Dalembert

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Marc Spears writes for Yahoo! Sports:

One NBA general manager said the Philadelphia 76ers are still actively trying to move center Samuel Dalembert. A league source said the Sixers contacted the Warriors to see if they had any interest in Dalembert, but talks never progressed. The Warriors are still trying to trade Stephen Jackson but have yet to field a suitable offer. The Cavaliers remain interested in the veteran swingman.


Samuel Dalembert

#1 / Center / Philadelphia 76ers

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May 10, 1981

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FG 3PT FT Rebounds Misc
G M M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG
2009 - Samuel Dalembert 4 23.3 2.5 5.3 47.6 0.0 0.0 0.0 3.0 3.8 80.0 1.5 5.0 6.5 0.0 2.5 0.0 1.5 3.3 8.0

 

From Spears' report it doesn't appear that Stephen Jackson was what the 76ers were asking in return for Dalembert, but something like Jackson and Speedy Claxton for the Sixer Center [ESPN Trade Machine] ain't bad at all for the Warriors. The Warriors get rid of Jack before he makes a bigger mockery of himself, Robert Rowell (actually that one's pretty funny), and finishes the 2009-2010 season as the league leader in turnovers. Plus the Warriors shorten their financial commitment by 2 years, thus setting the Dubs up for the Chris Paul sweepstakes (I kid).

In terms of defense (gobbling up rebounds and protecting the paint) and unfortunately making mistakes Dalembert is Ronny Turiaf on steroids. I must say the Haitian center has always intrigued me. He never fully "developed" just like Andris Biedrins never "developed" any low post moves or a jump shot. However just like Biedrins Dalembert is raw, but effective. SAM BAM would instantly be the Warriors' best interior defender and would do a ton to help out their rebounding woes.

After this season there's only 1 year left on the 28 year old Dalembert's deal, so he could potentially be valuable as a single, sizable expiring contract during the 2010-2011 NBA season. A contender might even want to pick up his defensive tenacity for a stretch run in the 2011 NBA Playoffs. Compare that to the remaining 3 years on the "Captain's" contract (thank you Robert Rowell) taking him into his mid-30's (read: way past his athletic prime) and Jack's history of well... throwing tantrums.

So why would our friends in Philly do it?

I have no idea.

And that's the problem.

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I can kinda see why someone in Philly might think its a decent idea. Brand+Dalembert playing together hasn’t worked very well. Brand hasn’t worked very well with any big center though, Kaman’s numbers always seemed to look a lot better when Brand was out. Speights seems ready for more playing time, they seem to like Jason Smith for some reason, and getting Jackson to help ease Lou Williams’ playmaking responsibilities and provide something of an outside threat could seem like a good idea in theory. I still think its a bad idea for them, but maybe not as bad for them as it would be for most teams. I’d be thrilled to (hopefully) see the end of Mikki Moore playing significant minutes and have 3 excellent rebounding bigs on the roster.

Thing A

by sam23 on Nov 7, 2009 5:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

oh and Thad Young has been pretty awful so far.

Thing A

by sam23 on Nov 7, 2009 5:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Sixers made some really bad decisions.

After their exciting playoff run 2 years ago, they made a big mistake by signing Elton Brand. The team took off in the middle of the season after they started running at a Nellie like speed. Elton Brand didnt work out last year and they lost the keys to their enging when they couldnt afford Andre Miller this off season.

As far as the trade idea, that would be great. A solid big man to add to our roster is always good. I know the plus/minus dont back this up, but the first game of the season using 2 bigs (Biedrins and Turiaf) was fun to watch. One of them would take chances and go and attack and the other would hang back. Fouls eventually caught up but Dalembert would give us another big man we could use. Anything beside a stat line of DNP-CD is dissapointing to see from M Moore.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Nov 8, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

76ers Fans

They’d love to just get rid of Dalembert in basically any way possible.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Nov 8, 2009 8:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If this is true..

Then the warriors should have done the deal yesterday. This would make us a much more balanced team size and player wise. I dont mind Mikki Moore but he should never start an NBA game. The line up could look like this

Starters

Curry who looks like the real deal to me at least
Ellis who can score with anyone and be scored on by anyone
Buike who is solid
Randolf who will actually never start, just a hope
Biedrins who does what he supposed to

Bench
Watson, Ammo, Maggette, Turiaf and Dalembert… I will take that bench even though it would be nice if there was a lock down peremiter defender to come off it.

by Oracle Junkie on Nov 7, 2009 6:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

OMG i love dalembert so hard!!!!!

i have been a huge fan of dalembert’s since he first came into the league! he was like the real life version of the dude from that kevin bacon moive. you know what i’m talking about!

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and yes, i realize he’s haitian, not originally from africa, and no, i don’t really remember the plot of the movie at all, but come on! he’s foreign and presumably awesome! look how stoked k-bake is right there! actually he looks pretty emasculated…anyways, the dude is one degree from the bakeman himself! or is he zero degrees? maybe you can only be zero degrees if you’re, you know…intimate. oh no! now i know why bacon bits has that look on his face! the other guy is definitely with the basketball seems pretty pleased with himself, also, now that i think about it…

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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Nov 7, 2009 6:08 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

How can you forget the “shakin bacon.”

by LuvDubs on Nov 7, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sammy actually is a Canadian citizen

For whatever that’s worth.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 8, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ok well yes, originally from africa, in a sense, but not african, is what i meant to say….

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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Nov 7, 2009 6:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I’d be more than fine with that. I don’t think we’ll get ‘10 expirings for Jack unless we throw in Ronny or somebody, and Dalembert’s an ’11 expiring that can actually play. Not a Nellie-type player, but frankly that should be less and less of a concern for us.

I’m guessing Philly asked for something better than Jack, or maybe Jack and another piece (other teams seem to love throwing Ronny into these offers). Jack wouldn’t be a horrible fit for them, but any team trading real talent on two-year deals for Jack would be making a mistake… Stefanski seems sharp enough to realize that.

by onlxn on Nov 7, 2009 6:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

With out bigs being in and out a lot...

this would be a great trade.We get to unload “Jack” along with Speedy who will never see playing time for a great, decent player.

Randolph+Biedrins+Wright+Turiaf+Dalembert= BLOCK PARTY!

This would be a much better move than dumping him for Big Z.

by Cpt. Jack in the Box on Nov 7, 2009 6:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Ehhhh

Ok so let’s say this trade goes through, who would be the starting center? Biedrins gets about $9,000,000 a year and we got him locked up for another 4 years while Dalembert has 2 years left for about $12,000,000. Wouldn’t it be easier if the Dubs got an expiring contract out of a trade? I mean $12,000,000 per year for the next 2 years is a lot of money for a guy that’s gonna spend most of the time on the bench (saying Randolph, Biedrins, and Turiaf are ahead of the rotation). I rather have Jackson get traded to the Cavs along with Speedy for Big Z + Delonte West or Parker.

by DubsFan408 on Nov 7, 2009 6:26 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Who Cares

No Jackson…Big plus
No Moore Starting…Big Plus
Randolf playing at the four Big Plus
Two starting caliber centers on the team Big plus

your biggest complaint is how much money he earns and the minutes situation. The warriors have a far bigger contract concern with Jackson and his length of contract. Dalembert in fact becomes extremely tradeable next season when he becomes an expiring contract.

The minutes situation at the wing is terrible and the warriors are starting a guy that doesnt want to be here. There are a plenty of wings on this squad, there needs to be more size. Beidrins gets in foul trouble and so does Dalembert but both hustle, rebound, dunk and play some sort of defense. They could split minutes and be a great center combo.

by Oracle Junkie on Nov 7, 2009 7:05 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Randolf playing at the four Big Plus

This will happen as soon as Randolph finds his head and stops running around without it. Completely irrespective of any other roster moves. He has the talent and athleticism, but he’s got to stop playing like a nitwit.

You have been DFiBrillated.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 9, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

NO DALEMBERT!!!

No! Bad move. Lazy player and 10$ million back-up?

If Dalembert has moved, your contract incremented 1$ millon

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by R1Molano on Nov 7, 2009 7:00 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Wow really people?

This is probably the worst Jackson deal I’ve heard.

Here’s why…

Not a clear upgrade:
- Dalembert costs more than Biedrins and he’s not even a clear upgrade over Biedrins. Sure he looks good due to current injuries to Biedrins and Turiaf, but once those 2 are healthy I don’t he’s clearly better than Biedrins.

The rumored Diaw trade would be a clear upgrade at SF/PF for the Dubs.

2 year deal
- Everyone and their mommma is looking to clear cap room for the 2010 FA bonanza especially since LBJ has said a MAX contract is not necessary. Due to the Warriors mismanagement of cap space (Maggete, Jackson – $20 in 2010-11) the Warriors are not in a significant position to sign a stud FA unless they are able to unload BOTH Maggs and Jackson for expiring deals. Jackson for expiring deals looks doable (Cleveland), but Maggs will be impossible.

So why would a expiring contract be better than a 2 year deal? If we can’t sign a stud FA, by trading Jackson for an expiring contract instead of a 2 year deal we can possible trade for one if the team thinks he’ll bolt for nothing (Bosh?) or we can help a team sign a stud player and in theory get some nice players/draft picks in return. If we take an expiring 2 year deal… we’ll only be pushing ~$10 million in expiring deals which is basically a starter type player, but if we trade for an expiring deal we’ll have ~$20 million in expiring deals which = MAX PLAYER money.

We need to get rid of Jackson, but due to the arms race between championship teams there is actually a market for SJAX. We just need to relax until we get a good deal and I applaud Riley for hanging up the phone with the 76ers if a Jackson deal doesn’t include Spreights or Iggy.

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by FLAxwless on Nov 7, 2009 7:07 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Not a clear upgrade

-Jackson is an aging, disgruntled player with a very bad long term contract. You can’t really expect to get a clear upgrade in return.

Dalembert costs more than Biedrins and he’s not even a clear upgrade over Biedrins. Sure he looks good due to current injuries to Biedrins and Turiaf, but once those 2 are healthy I don’t he’s clearly better than Biedrins.

-Jackson is essentially a sunk cost. If we can shave a couple years off his deal without having to give up any additional talent its probably a decent deal for us. If we can do that and add a lot more size, rebounding and interior defense its a good deal. Turiaf and Biedrins haven’t exactly been able to avoid injuries or fouls very well thus far in their careers. Dalembert may not be a huge upgrade over either of those guys, but he’s a pretty big upgrade over Mikki Moore. If you were talking about shipping out Biedrins AND Jackson then maybe you’d have a point about Dalembert not being a clear upgrade at the center spot, but you’re adding him as depth not necessarily replacing anyone. If anything Jackson’s departure forces Maggette and Buike to the 3 more often and likely forces Nellie to go with something resembling a traditional lineup more often. Dalembert isn’t an upgrade over Biedrins but I think Curry/Monta/Buike/Randolph/Dalembert is a pretty clear upgrade over the Curry/Monta/Buike/Jackson/Moore lineup we’ve been seeing quite a bit.
The rumored Diaw trade would be a clear upgrade at SF/PF for the Dubs.

-I like the Diaw rumor too, but I’m not so sure he’s a “clear upgrade.” He’s a really bad rebounding 4, turns the ball over at a pretty alarming rate, and isn’t a guy who will spread the floor with his outside touch.
but if we trade for an expiring deal we’ll have ~$20 million in expiring deals which = MAX PLAYER money.

-The Warriors are not in position to land a “stud FA” no matter how much cap space they are able to clear.
there is actually a market for SJAX.

I think you’re overestimating it or you at least have a very different definition of “market.”
I applaud Riley for hanging up the phone with the 76ers if a Jackson deal doesn’t include Spreights or Iggy.

So you want him to hold out on trading Jackson until some team is willing to give up one of its two best young pieces? You must reeeeeaaally like watching Jackson suit up in a Warriors uni. I’m not against holding out and seeing if the trade market for Jackson heats up a little bit more if a contending team loses a wing to an injury or becomes a little bit more desperate or if the dec. 15 restriction-lifting creates a little more flexibility, but asking for a player like Speights or Iggy is just nutty and will likely serve as a conversation-ender.

Thing A

by sam23 on Nov 7, 2009 7:44 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Jackson NEEDS to go, but THIS is the deal we should make...

- I understand Jackson needs to go and I’d wish he’d get traded sooner rather than later, but we shouldn’t trade him for the whatever scraps teams throw at us just to get rid of him. Let’s look at recent history what the Warriors have done when they needed to get rid of a player….

- Tim Hardaway/Chris Gatling for Bimbo Coles/Kevin Willis
- Latrell Sprewell for John Starks, Terry Cummings, Chris Mills
- Chris Webber for Googs, 3 draft picks (look who those turned out to be).

More recently…

- Al Harrington for Jamal Crawford => Law, Claxton (at least they fixed that one).

I agree Jackson is a cancer who needs to go, but we shouldn’t take the first offer to ship him out of town. Doing that is part of the reason why we’re in this mess to begin with… we trade talent for a whole bunch of nothing. While Dalembert is a serviceable NBA big man… he’s not as good as an expiring contract (Z) or even a player like Diaw (not a perfect player, but he can make plays for others).

Regarding the market for Jackson… we’re at the beginning of the season. Right now teams are low balling the Warriors, but if we hold firm eventually we’ll may get a deal that’s better than that come Dec (when 09 FA can be traded) or trade deadline. If we still don’t get anything then we like then we can resort to last ditch effort like Peja or Dalembert.

I thnk Riley is holding out for (1) Expiring contract, (2) Solid NBA starter, (3) Trade Exception (4) 1st round draft pick. The first team to offer any of those or the best combo of those gets Jackson. If no team bites by deadline then we can still ship him for a 2 year deal like Dalembert or Peja.

- Also the Warriors are not in a position to outright sign a FA, but if they acquire an expiring contract they can trade for one of the pending FA (Bosh) and then go over the cap to sign them. That’s why it’s important to get an expiring deal instead of a 2 year deal.

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by FLAxwless on Nov 7, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I thnk Riley is holding out for (1) Expiring contract, (2) Solid NBA starter, (3) Trade Exception (4) 1st round draft pick. The first team to offer any of those or the best combo of those gets Jackson.

*Click. Beeeeeep. (The sound of every GM hanging up the phone)

by FiveAlarmFreddy on Nov 8, 2009 11:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So lets take Toronto for example

Lets say they believe Bosh is going to bolt but they want to trade for cap space. If they wanted cap space they could just let Bosh go. Secondly I dont believe a team can sign a player that wasnt originally on there team and then immediately trade them. They have to wait like 4 months.

Now lets say we wanted to make a run for Bosh what do the warriors offer. Ellis and Randolf or would they want more proven talent say Ellis and Beidrins for Bosh and Banks which we could do if we had Dalembert to start. And you know what Bosh may or may not resign with us, but its risk I hope the warriors will consider.

The thing is we could trade Jackson for someone with size, the warriors should do it immediately.

by Oracle Junkie on Nov 7, 2009 7:53 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

We should

trade Jack for expiring and try and sign Rudy Gay next summeer. He is a beast

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by GSW9 on Nov 7, 2009 8:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

he's really not

he’s off to a pretty good start this year, but I have not doubt Nelson would use him almost exclusively as a 4, and he’s a poor rebounder and defender there. I’d trade Jackson for him because his contract is a lot better, but I can’t see even Memphis liking that deal.

Thing A

by sam23 on Nov 7, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rudy Gay stinks

If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.

by cybermaldonado on Nov 7, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I always thought he was really good (having never really watched him)

But a lot of Grizz fans cant stand the dude, just a stat player

by 123707THIZZ on Nov 7, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i dont care who its for

get him out of here!!!!

WE SUCK

by stevenro59 on Nov 7, 2009 8:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Jacks value has to be dropping like an anvil. He has looked awful so far. Just trade him quick while we can still get something for him.

If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.

by cybermaldonado on Nov 7, 2009 8:22 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Sam Dalembert is awful.

He’d instantly capture the title of The Human Embarrassment away from Anthony Randolph. There’s no way we should trade for this guy.

by HOLDEMUPGoldenStateOfOppression on Nov 7, 2009 8:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Send him to join his pal Al in NY

Trade him for a rebound hound (Lee).

by henri p on Nov 7, 2009 10:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Or better yet

Package him with Maggette to Cleveland for LeBron! But only if he signs an extension.

You have been DFiBrillated.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 9, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It sounds pretty good. We need size and this guy’s contract expires in two years. If it’s just Jack, an expiring and a first-round draft pick for Dalembert and a 2nd round draft pick or something like that, O.K.

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by Naticus2 on Nov 7, 2009 11:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Ammo… Lol nice nickname!

by RowellMustGo on Nov 8, 2009 4:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not...

…altogether interested in Dalembert. I might feel differently if he were expiring at season’s end, but so long as we have Turiaf I don’t see the merit. Now, If Turiaf was also traded in this or another deal, I think a Biedrins/Dalembert 1/2 punch sounds halfway decent. Otherwise you’ve just got a glut of guys I wouldn’t trust to hold down the 4, should the need arise.

by Zack Vank on Nov 8, 2009 12:13 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Dalembert --NOOOOOOO!

Dalembert plays like Yogi Bear, as color commentator Mychal Thompson once said.

And what happened to Randolph’s"improvement" during the offseason?—he looks like a gangly piece of “inability to finish” out on the floor.

by yobo on Nov 8, 2009 1:46 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Well

If some guy names Mychal said it once, then it must be true!

You have been DFiBrillated.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 9, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How can 367 warrior fans be so stupid?

lol then again maybe they are the same ones still going to the games, feeding Cohan’s pockets, instead of boycotting.

Dalembert and his $12mil for 2 yrs? So let’s add to the redundancy why don’t we. Biedrins, Turiaf, M. Moore. 3 serviceable big men with zero post game. Another overpaid role player. If he was an expirer that’s a different story, but it’ll be another contract we can’t move. S Jackson, even with his recent trade demand, has more value on the trade market then Sammy. $7mil or $12mil? Plus we lose Speedy’s expirer? Not feelin’ it.

Jacks is a recent 20ppg player who is the W’s best defender. Some contender will get desperate around the trade deadline and pony up. It’s not unrealistic to expect an expirer or someone of more value for Jax. Warriors are actually being smart for once in waiting for the right deal.

by RowellMustGo on Nov 8, 2009 4:33 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Actually...

…I seem to remember reading that a statistical case can be made for Azubuike being a better defender than Jackson, at least insofar as the results of said defense are concerned. Furthermore, his scoring average is an utter red herring that hides the inefficiency and lack of worth beneath. I happen to agree that a better deal can likely be had, but I think you’re being a little too optimistic about Jackson’s game.

by Zack Vank on Nov 8, 2009 5:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dalembert is synonymous to Dampier, but if that’s the best they can do, so be it.

by homer simpson on Nov 8, 2009 7:52 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hey...

…maybe we should just get Damp back. It’d be great to see him retire a Warrior.

By the way, how damn crazy is it that he’s still with Dallas? You’d think they’d do something, anything to get a better 5 in there by now.

by Zack Vank on Nov 8, 2009 9:10 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

won't happen

does anybody really think jackson would take kindly to being traded to charlotte or philadelphia? do you really think the management of those teams would think that he come on over and blend seemlessly into organization? he made it clear he doesn’t want to play on a losing team, so i would assume that losing teams around the league are not lining up to take on that headache.

by annoyingtradeproposal on Nov 8, 2009 5:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

WE SHOULD BE SO LUCKY!!!

Unfortunately, the guys in charge are Don Nelson, Larry Riley, Chris Cohan, and Robert Rowell, so even if a deal like this does come along I doubt they would do it. FML.

Thing C

by markdash on Nov 8, 2009 10:45 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Last 2 games = tuned out in 1st quarter

I can tell exactly at what point in the game the GSW will lose! Tis the season to be follies, Falalalala, lala, la, la!

We believe we a lottery team this next draft! Problem is – we never seem to lose enough games to render the top selection from the scam we call the lottery ball system.

by jlcdb70 on Nov 9, 2009 9:12 AM PST reply actions   0 recs


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