RECAP: LA Clippers 118, Golden State Warriors 90- It's a Great Time Out for Clipper Raj!
by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 7, 2009 10:17 AM PST
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Seriously, what is going on here?
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Blog Buddy: Clips Nation : Now THAT's Really More Like It
Warriors Nation and Clippers Nation. Clippers North and Warriors South. We're like peanut butter and jelly, Redman and Method Man, milk and cookies, Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen, Donald Sterling and housing discrimination, Chris Cohan and tax evasion, Windows Vista and Cntrl + Alt +Dlt-- we just go together. So naturally I went to tonight's festivity at the Roracle (or should I say the Boracle?) with my main man Clipper Raj. Getting blown out at home by a long time frenemy tonight was pretty unexpected, but hey at least Clipper Raj had a great time out!
Jump for the reasons why our buddy Clipper Steve decided it was an opportune time to kindly host Clips Nation + GSoM Night 1 in SoCal.
Clippers Backcourt vs. Warriors Backcourt
- Let's get this one out of the way first. The Bad News: Stephen Curry (-13) probably had the worst night of his NBA career tonight. The Good News: At least he got that one of his system early. Curry was shooting blanks (1-5) and getting abused on defense (fouled out) by the bigger and more imposing Clips guards for the entire duration of his 21 minutes out there tonight. We'll go easy on the rookie.
- Monta Ellis (-29) just doesn't look like that Ellis to the Rim of 2008. Baron Davis not being there to guard the opposing team's best backcourt player and provide low-mistake ball handling and distributing the rock sure does hurt. But as my man Feltbot will tell you things have changed, Monta Ellis is not a star. Not anymore. Monta's J is way off and his court vision and decisions were very shaky tonight (SIX turnovers).
- To go cliche on you for a second Baron Davis (+26) looked like a men among boys tonight. BD looks absolutely chiseled and in fantastic shape. He pretty much had his way with anyone the Warriors threw at him. He was savvy. He was smart. He was hungry and diving for loose balls. He was picking pockets (4 steals). He even hit 61.5 of his shots coming into the game shooting well below 40%. He is missed.
- Eric Gordon (+29) also looked like a men among boys tonight. Gordon looked wise beyond his years. He abused the Warriors backcourt with his scoring. The Clippers have had their fair share of bad draft picks over the years, but they sure got this one right. A Dizzle-Gizzle backcourt is more than serviceable.
- I'm easily in the top 1% of Anthony Morrow (-10) fans, but that was a sad performance. He looked like a one-trick pony out there and that trick wasn't quite working right. What made Morrow particularly intriguing last season was his rebounding in addition to his stellar shooting. It didn't look like Ammo was that interested in trying to clean up the glass tonight. His usual scrappiness and effort on defense wasn't there at all either. Not that he was the only Warrior in this regard, but Morrow was a defensive liability all night long. Very disappointing.
- Oddly enough even Stephon Marburry's cousin Sebastian Telfair got in on the fun. The Warriors backcourt (particularly Morrow) just couldn't hang with this guy. 13 points (50% FG), 6 assists, 1 steal, and 1 block in under 20 minutes? Telfair outplayed both Ellis and Curry in Oakland. That's not supposed to happen... ever.
- By the way what's up with all those losers booing Baron Davis at the Oracle? What's there to boo? Boom Dizzle is not here because 1) Robert Rowell couldn't wait to get him out of here so he could foolishly build around Monta Ellis and 2) Elton Brand pulled a sucka move. Not once did BD ever publicly whine like "Captain" Jack about his teammates. BD lost a prime year thanks to the silly roster Chris Mullin assembled around him and Coach Mike Montgomery's complete incompetence as Warriors head coach. Did you see BD complaining about that? Boo the "Captain", not the beard. Along with Nellie, Jason Richardson, Al Harrington, Mickael Pietrus, Matt Barnes, and yes even Stephen Jackson, Baron Davis made this team relevant for one fine spring and then some. Show some gratitude and class.
- C.J. Watson sighting! Acie Law sighting! That means 1 of 2 things- 1) the Warriors are blowing out some unsuspecting squad or 2) the Warriors are somewhat expectedly getting blown out. Unfortunately tonight it was the latter.
Clippers 1, Warriors 0
Clippers Frontcourt vs. Warriors Frontcourt
- Chris Kaman (+19) must have had his calendar marked for this game or something. He looked very, very good. Sure the Warriors were physically overmatched all night long against him mostly due to injuries to Andris Biedrins and Ronny Turiaf, but that was an All-Star caliber performance tonight from Kaman. 22-9 through 3 ain't no joke, especially when it looks that easy. Don't be surprised if Kaman is donning an All-Star jersey in February. His competition in the West really isn't that tough either. Our man Matt Steinmetz has more in It's Early, But Chris Kaman Breaking Out. (Seriously Matt got off easy! He can choose to write about the Clips and not the Warriors for FanHouse.) Elton Brand made a really dumb decision ditching Kaman- that would have been a top 4-5 combo, especially with Dizzle-Gizzle in the backcourt and Camby up front.
- In addition to Kaman the ever-underrated Marcus Camby (+26) really protected the rim tonight. His 12 boards, 4 assists, 4 steals, and 2 blocks were a fantasy hoops delight. The Warriors found out the hard way why this guy has a Defensive Player of the Year trophy at home. Andris Biedrins should be studying tape of this guy nightly. It's a reasonable goal for him to try to be Camby 2.0. The jumpshot won't be there, but there's no reason why the D and overall savvy can't.
- Thanks to Biedrins and Turiaf nursing injuries and Anthony Randolph's current funk, MIKEY! Moore (-20) got the start. When Larry Riley signed MIKEY! in the offseason I don't think he envisioned him playing 18.5 minutes in a single game, but honestly the Warriors really had no other options especially with Randolph racking up so many pointless fouls. He wasn't quite Ronny Turiaf Sr. out there tonight.
- It was pretty much more of the same from the big money veteran players on this team Stephen Jackson (-30) and Corey Maggette (-15). Lots of blanks (8-21 FG "good" for 38.1% FG) and questionable decisions with the rock (Jack with twice as many turnovers as assists). Thanks to poor front office decisions these guys have been thrust into roles they shouldn't have. Both are nice complementary vets, but nothing more. Sorry I know this is all like a broken record.
- Anthony Randolph's night (-8) can be summed up in one word: CLUELESS. For all those Nellie haters demanding the Randolph "play through his mistakes" this game is exactly why that's not a good idea. To reinforce or encourage anything Randolph did tonight would be a huge mistake. From not cutting off the baseline against an infinitely slower Kaman to trying random And 1 moves at the top of the key and launching several ill-advised jumpers (5-15 FG), Randolph was just not playing smart tonight. His statline of 13 points and 14 points (mostly collected in garbage time) are incredibly misleading. If he's going to routinely play like he did tonight and play for 30 minutes a game, the Warriors are not winning a single game the rest of the way. It's frustrating because we all had so much hope for the guy.
By the way did you know Stacey Dash was 29 when she played the part of teenage BBF Dionne in this movie? Amazing.
Clippers 2, Warriors 0
Sadly both The Forward and The Guard had horrible games.
Garbage Time in the 4th Quarter
Clipper Raj: So it looks like this game is about over.
AB1: You kidding man? We got you guys right where we want you.
Clipper Raj: You wanted us to be up by 30?
AB1: 30 points? That's only 10 makes from downtown from Anthony Morrow.
Clipper Raj: Riiiight. Keep dreaming.
AB1: How about I dream about the Warriors winning the lottery sweepstakes for a gifted power forward destined for greatness, but then that dream quickly turns into a nightmare as he injures his left patella, probably costing the team any chance at the playoffs, before he even plays his first game?
<golf clap> <golf clap> Blake Grffin: "That's not very funny at all."
Clipper Raj: Hey Grffin picked up 6 less fouls than your GQ boy Masala tonight.
AB1: Okay, yeah that's pretty "Unstoppable Baby!"
Clipper Raj: Speaking of the Unstoppable-ness...
AB1: Yeah what about it.
Clipper Raj: You know how you cats over at GSoM have that world famous mantra:
"UNSTOPPABLE BABY!"
Golden State Warriors rookie Marc Jackson to the Mavericks' bench, after hitting a lay-up during a 29-point loss (2000)
Well a new Clipper one for matches against the Dubs is about to be formulated today.
AB1: Whatchu mean man?
DeAndre Jordan's dunks and celebrations during garbage time were pretty hilarious.
Clipper Raj:
"UNSTOPPABLE BABY!"
LA Clippers DeAndre Jordan to the Clips' bench, after throwing down a nasty jam for the umpteenth time during a 28-point win in garbage time (2009)
AB1: Good one.
Clippers 118, Warriors 90
Tonight's award goes out to Coach Don Nelson. Nellie's about to irrationally get bashed left and right by the histrionic and randomly vengeful "Fire Nellie" crowd. I'm not sure why. Honestly what is the man supposed to do? Tonight was on the players. Injuries happen (Andris Biedrins and Ronny Turiaf), but the guys who were out there tonight were absolutely awful.
Did Nellie have the greatest coaching performance tonight? Doubtful, but tonight the players and their collective low hoops IQ, limitations, and raw-ness were the problem. Coaching was not the problem tonight. I give Nellie credit for not going AWOL.
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This hurts more than a visit to the Protologist!!!!
“No sir….. I dont like it”
Unstoppable baby?
How about….
“pass out the rubber gloves…this wont hurt a bit!!”
CHANGES….are needed and FAST!
GSOM Blog Beast!
by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 7, 2009 10:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
why do I get a feeling that we are gonna be blown out by the Sacramento Juggernaut! I am usually positive but this feels like a race to the John Wall sweepstakes.
by crab dribble cocktail on Nov 7, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Er...could a friendly mod please alter that subject header...
The good doctor forgot the “r”….
GSOM Blog Beast!
by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 7, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Damnit "C"...he forgot the C...
“proCtologist”……Wahhhhhhhhhhhh mummy I need a drink!…. that loss has me at sixes and sevens…..
GSOM Blog Beast!
by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 7, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll...
…go against type and try to surprise here; I don’t really have a problem with Nelson’s coaching tonight. With Moore and Randolph as the only two bigs, the problem was rather academic, and given that basically everybody dropped the ball, I don’t see many ways he could’ve made this situation any better. Do I still want him gone? Yeah, I’d say so. But let it be known that I don’t harbor a shred of ill-will or disdain because of this game; this was an example of the players not showing up ready to go to work.
I do think that perhaps the emphasis placed on Randolph’s poor showing is a bit of overkill. I confess I cringed on various plays I saw him make tonight, but I think the adjective “clueless” is designed to cater to Nelson’s handling of his minutes, which for this team and this situation I still categorically reject, even given this craptastic last game. He still rebounds the hell out of the ball, though, right?
Truth be told, the mot frustrating thing for me about this game was something Fitzgerald and Barnett pointed out about Kaman; he’s usng that Shaq move that made me loathe him so much in his prime. Just get the ball in the post, and if you aren’t close enough to the basket already, just slam into the defender with your shoulder repeatedly until you are. A couple of Randolph’s charges drawn tonight looked like flops to me, but I don’t even care. I’ve long argued to anyone who would listen that Shaq’s self-absorbed drivel about being the “most dominant ever” only exists because for a period of about eight years, the refs just didn’t give a crap however he manhandled, abused, or crushed any post defender he went up against. When he was in his prime with the Lakers, I’d try keeping my own foul count, and I’ll be damned if an honest crew wouldn’t have him with at least four or five fouls at the start of every second half.
Anyways, got to reload for Sacramento. In all seriousness, I think last night more or less showed that in an ideal world, Randolph doesn’t have the stout trunk to deal with a big bruising center. Kaman was on auto-fire with his post moves on top of it, but if Turiaf and Biedrins seem like they’re going to miss more time, we need to pick up somebody off the free agent pool, anybody who’s played a few NBA minutes and is big. Moore ain’t cutting it.
by Zack Vank on Nov 7, 2009 10:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I do think that perhaps the emphasis placed on Randolph’s poor showing is a bit of overkill.
Under normal circumstances, it’d be overkill. However, given the attention the situation has gotten, and the vitriol that has been directed at Nellie, it was well warranted. Randolph is not playing well. Nellie is not playing him because he’s not playing well. It’s plain to see, but people aren’t getting the picture and still bashing Nellie here and at the games. Just because the mass media sees a couple nice looking box scores and a few memorable plays, doesn’t mean he’s ready to get serious playing time. He has a lot to learn, and Nellie is teaching him.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 7, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My disagreement...
…has nothing to do with Randolph’s performance, though. In essence, I’d argue that given the sorry state of this team, which is clear for all to see, that Randolph should be getting the minutes and be given a chance to work through the troubles while playing. The fact that he still looks jittery and crazy after last season makes me think he just needs extended minute, and less worries about getting pulled. And even if he doesn’t turn it around for a while, I don’t see the negative in developing him. Without him playing at a high level, we aren’t going anywhere anyhow.
by Zack Vank on Nov 7, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yup thats true
He just want to show off to Don Nelson he can do everything out there and earn those minutes.
Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........
by mykelala01 on Nov 7, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And he did a piss poor job of that last night
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 7, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fact
Learning, for a young basketball player (or anybody really), takes place 24/7… even when he’s sitting on the bench and not playing.
The fact that he still looks jittery and crazy after last season makes me think he just needs extended minute
Terrible, terrible conclusion. He needs to learn to play within himself. How that will be accomplished is up to debate. He needs to calm down. The question is:
Is he going to be the player who fired his agent because he wasn’t getting PT, or is he going to be the player that matured under the tough love of Nellie.?
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 7, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't...
…claim he matured under the tough love of Nellie if you’re dinging him for exhibitng the same sort of behavior he did last year (not that you specifically raised that, I’m address the front page post). It could just be that he’s gotten more used to dealing with the ups and downs and better learned how to play the political game. I conceded, and agreed that he’s had a bad handful of games. That said, what do you believe Nelson’s chief desire to be? I have trouble believing it’s developing his young talent; Randolph’ case may be iffy taken on its own, but the case of Brandan Wright’s career here (in his healthy times) has been even more inexplicable under Nelson, even when he has at various points been the most likely pick for efficient offense, and contrary to popular belief at least sufficient rebounding.
Some people, Atma being the one that pops most to mind (though to be fair, he’s more out in the open than most), ascribe the same “clueless” label to Wright, but is he honestly more clueless than Maggette is when he pulls up for a 20-footer? Than Jackson when he drives into the lane with three men waiting for him? I then put it to you that his primary focus could easily be winning games, as he sees it, by trying to milk his veterans as much as he can.
But, then, if we’re to believe his goal is to go with his best chance to win, it doesn’t make sense that he isn’t playing Randolph, because even given the worst scenarios I can imagine he’d prove more effective than what we’re getting out of a stiff like Moore, to say nothing of asking Maggette to guard NBA 4s.
by Zack Vank on Nov 7, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
not that you specifically raised that, I’m address the front page post
I am specifically saying he’s acting like he did at the beginning of last season.
It could just be that he’s gotten more used to dealing with the ups and downs and better learned how to play the political game.
If he has, it’s not showing. He’s performing like an excited puppy, like he’s trying to impress Nellie with all the new skillz he’s learned. Nellie want’s somebody to do the basics very well.
That said, what do you believe Nelson’s chief desire to be?
Ummm… win basketball games?
I have trouble believing it’s developing his young talent; Randolph’ case may be iffy taken on its own, but the case of Brandan Wright’s career here (in his healthy times) has been even more inexplicable under Nelson, even when he has at various points been the most likely pick for efficient offense, and contrary to popular belief at least sufficient rebounding.
Did Randolph’s play improve last year over the course of the season? If so, you’re either suggesting that Nellie didn’t care about it or that Nellie had no part in it. I find it hard to believe either. Nellie’s not stupid. He sees great potential. As I said earlier, teachers are often hardest on their star pupils.
In the case of Brandan Wright, he does some things well (score efficiently), others not so well (rebound, defend, offensive versatility). Contrary to your belief, he’s actually not a good rebounder, especially for a power forward. He averages something around 8Reb per 36 minutes, below the league average.
Nellie allows offensive struggles, not offensive limitations. Wright has limitations, Maggette does not. If Maggette makes a few 20 footers, he’ll open up his driving game and have a great, efficient day. Jax, despite all the criticism, is pretty versatile offensively. He’s like a homeless man’s LBJ. He’s not ideal, but those drives often lead to dump offs to Biedrins for an easy dunk. Jax leads the league in “No, no, no, NO, YESSSSS!!!” plays.
But, then, if we’re to believe his goal is to go with his best chance to win, it doesn’t make sense that he isn’t playing Randolph, because even given the worst scenarios I can imagine he’d prove more effective than what we’re getting out of a stiff like Moore
Right now, Randolph tries to do too much every time he goes out on the floor. In 16 minutes of pre-garbage time last night, he took 9 shots and committed 4 fouls. Moore simply does his job, albeit not that well. Furthermore, Randolph cannot legally stay on the court for 30 minutes if he’s fouling once every 5 minutes.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 7, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wow. I didn’t realize you were the compendium of knowledge for all things basketball.
You have absolutely no way of knowing how certain players respond to being denied minutes.
Randolph appears to respond to reduced minutes by playing scared/out of control and always looking at the sideline.
So thinking that giving Randolph consistent minutes might ease some of those issues (which at did at the end of last year) is a terrible, terrible conclusion? Ok buddy.
by randolphforpresident on Nov 7, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You have absolutely no way of knowing how certain players respond to being denied minutes.
How that will be accomplished is up to debate.
It seems like we’re in agreement!
So thinking that giving Randolph consistent minutes might ease some of those issues (which at did at the end of last year) is a terrible, terrible conclusion? Ok buddy.
See your own statement above, Mr. Knowitall. Aside from that, it’ll be hard for him to get more minutes if he fouls out, as the refs and league would disallow Nellie putting him on the floor.
But, yeah, I didn’t realizing that disagreeing with somebody’s assertion that “Randolph just needs more minutes for him to play better” with “Well, he’s got a lot to learn and learning happens elsewhere” would get a “You douche, you think you know everything, but you know nothing, OF COURSE Randolph will play better with more minutes!”
You know, I never thought of it that way. Great point!
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 7, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Randolph's poor showing overkill?
Please, why do so many people blame others for failure. Randolph is just a victim of Nellie’s system and if he were someone else or had a different coach he would perform. Simply untrue. Randolph has had numerous chances. He can’t shoot from the outside and his only move to the basket is where he barrels into the defender in front of him. If he were any other player in the league we’d be expecting more. Let’s face it, he hasn’t adjusted to NBA competition.
I haven’t really seen much improvement over last season. He plays much smaller than his size. The only time he plays well it seems is after he just made a mistake. It’s about time that more is expected from him. Perform or ride pine.
by brewitt on Nov 7, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Shhh
Stop with the blasphemy.
The underground “Randolph sux” meeting will take place at Jupiter’s in Berkeley at midnight tomorrow. Just knock on the 3rd tile up from the soap dispenser in the women’s room, and say the secret password “Nellie forever,” if you’ve brought a pitcher of beer, we’ll let you in.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 7, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey we are only 1/2 game out of the 8th spot!
LGW!!!! playoffs here we come!
by crab dribble cocktail on Nov 7, 2009 10:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
at least someone's on the same page as me.
let’s keep reading those same books. LGW…still.
by Shells on Nov 7, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Was at the game and I'll describe this team with one word: Atrocious
It was a humiliating defeat and nothing, but a domination by the Clips. You want to know how bad it was?
25% of the Lower Bowl left by start of 4th quarter
75% of the Lower Bowl was gone after 3 minutes into the 4th
People Chanting “Nellie sux”
People Booing the team start of 4th quarter
People still chanting “De-Fense”
I have not seen the arena this empty since the “Brian Cardinal days”
Defense was pathetic
Rebounding was non-existent
Ball Security was horrendous
Sure, Andris and Turiaf were out, but their effect would’ve been minuscule, even then seeing Fat Nellie sitting on the bench not utilizing double teams or zones to help out Randolph and Mikki was infuriating. Our court scheme is unproven and increases offense productivity and fan “excitement” while putting down the basics in what we need in DEFENSE AND REBOUNDING.
To be honest, the only two players I saw that really cared or tried was Randolph who drew at least 5 charges, Buike with his hustle and consistency, and Curry who rotated the ball well.
Having 3 players who think their a first option in Monta, Jax, and C-Mag and even potentially Randolph will NOT work out. At least one of these people need to go.
For the first time in awhile I was embarrassed to have been at a game. All I could take out of it was the event with Arnel and chlling with my Family, but the Warrior basketball? Wait, we have a team? Or are we fielding a JV Team in the NBA?
Welcome to the Warriors, Stephen Curry, the 2009 NBA Rookie of the Year.
Panda's and Curry in the Bey Area. Who would've known?
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by ejdacanay on Nov 7, 2009 10:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
hm..
To be honest, the only two players I saw that really cared or tried was Randolph who drew at least 5 charges, Buike with his hustle and consistency, and Curry who rotated the ball well.
that’s three men, but who’s counting. if you were really good, you probably got to sneak in the lower bowl. now, isn’t that a good thing?
by Shells on Nov 7, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I miss Baron
about jack’s situation: “i honestly don’t care” lol
OWENS! OWENS! OWENS! OWENS!
- Joe Starkey
by 9ersDubsGiantSharks on Nov 7, 2009 10:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
and yeah
WHY were retarded fans BOOING baron? like really, what did he do wrong
OWENS! OWENS! OWENS! OWENS!
- Joe Starkey
by 9ersDubsGiantSharks on Nov 7, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that a rhetorical question?
Told Media, teammates, and the fans he’ll return and would love to retire a Warrior? What did he do? He opted for free agency several minutes before the deadline ended and minutes before free agency started. Granted he wanted a long and big contract, in which the front office was right in not giving. But, to bounce like that left the team in a horrible position, if he told us before the draft or even days before free agency, the situation wouldn’t be as bad as it is.
And anyways, he’s not in a Warriors uni. ’Nuff said.
Welcome to the Warriors, Stephen Curry, the 2009 NBA Rookie of the Year.
Panda's and Curry in the Bey Area. Who would've known?
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by ejdacanay on Nov 7, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
um
he was offered a contract and accepted it, but our President didn’t want to sign it. Get your facts straight
OWENS! OWENS! OWENS! OWENS!
- Joe Starkey
by 9ersDubsGiantSharks on Nov 7, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Granted he wanted a long and big contract, in which the front office was right in not giving.
Welcome to the Warriors, Stephen Curry, the 2009 NBA Rookie of the Year.
Panda's and Curry in the Bey Area. Who would've known?
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by ejdacanay on Nov 7, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there a rumor?
that the reason Baron opt out the last minute because he learn that Ellis got an accident. But the real plan is to sign Elton Brand so they gonna be the next big 3 of the west Ellis, Baron and Brand.
Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........
by mykelala01 on Nov 7, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great recap AB1
In his interview, Monta looked genuinely emotionally invested and defeated last night. Hopefully it’s a “once you reach rock bottom” thing rather than a “continuing downward spiral” thing. From the way he was yelling at his teammates when he made the 3 in the highlight and the way he was depressed about not the team’s performance, but his as well, I think he can be a leader. He very well may see that they need to band together and work together, and that he’s got to step up. That, and he looks pretty ripped up close.
Jax looked and sounded like a vet. He said all the right things, and seemed like he genuinely meant what he was saying. At the same time, he sounds like a guy who’s outta here as soon as possible, but who’s gonna go out and compete until then.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 7, 2009 10:48 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
+1
OWENS! OWENS! OWENS! OWENS!
- Joe Starkey
by 9ersDubsGiantSharks on Nov 7, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't...
…say all the right things. He implied that he’s been taking the blame for things since he arrived here, which is utterly untrue. If anything, his at times absurdly bad decision making has been largely overlooked.
by Zack Vank on Nov 7, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He may have lashed out for the last few weeks/months
But before then, we all loved his loyalty for a reason. It was there.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 7, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
…I guess that depends on how you view it. I don’t think loyalty, at least in terms of pro sports, can be exhibited that highly if you only put in 2 1/2 seasons before blowing up.
by Zack Vank on Nov 7, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's loyal to the players around him
Not to you, or the organization.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 7, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He...
…called out his teammates for not backing him up during his insane meltdown in that LA preseason game. That’s not loyalty, to indict your comrades in the media. He also presumably started this blowup because they didn’t trade Biedrins and others to land Stoudemire, or whoever he was told they might, which however you want to spin it isn’t loyalty to the players around him. No matter what you want to say, his martyr act is unconscionable so long as he persists in this thoroughly inflated, cockeyed view of himself.
by Zack Vank on Nov 7, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
yes, that's why Jack is the player I want most to go
then we’ll see what’s left.
by IQofaWarrior on Nov 7, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
See here
He may have lashed out for the last few weeks/months
But before then, we all loved his loyalty for a reason. It was there.
He lashed out, sure. Maybe that was a ploy to put some pressure on the FO to move him, but from all accounts prior to the last few weeks, he has been a “gangsta” in the sense that “if you step to his posse, you step to Stephen Jackson.”
And, seriously, look at it from his perspective. When people blame somebody, who do they blame? Umm… Stephen Jackson. Stephen has been trying to deflect some of that blame recently (rightfully so), and people read it as him being a bad teammate and whatever. Should he have done that? No. But people have been blaming him, right or wrong.
You don’t hear anybody out there saying “OMG!!! Randolph is so young! He makes so many stupid errors!” All you hear is “Stephen, stop taking so many stupid shots!!! OMGWTF!!!” Stephen is blamed for a lot of things because he was the leader, the captain, the last remaining “We Believe” player (We Believe is the playoffs, Monta barely saw the court and Biedrins played a bit role). Stephen sees this, he doesn’t believe in this team’s ability to win right now, and doesn’t want to go through another season of “the best fans in the league” ragging on him constantly because of the general inability of this team. He’s fed up, he’s happy now in his “non-Captain” role, and every word he said in that interview was 100% true.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 7, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He said...
…that he’d been taking the blame ever since he got here, and that is flat out not true. The fanbase embraced him when few NBA fans would. If he’d said “I’ve been taking the blame ever since I demanded to be traded,” that’s be factually accurate. But when you consider the gaping holes in his game and measure them up against his extremely high opinion of his own game, I don’t see how you can claim he’s been shouldering blame since he walked in the door. He replaced Mike Dunleavy, resident whipping boy, and as such got a generous leash. He did a knockout job in the We Believe run, a decent job the following year, and a vastly overrated job last year during which, at least to my recollection, I didn’t notice many people blaming him.
Obviously the front office is a corrupt and cancerous lot, so I don’t disdain seeing Jackson bitch about them. But to think that you can demand to be traded from a team that just recently gave you an exorbitant contract, and to not expect the fans of that team (that had to that point been extremely supportive of you) to get upset is staggeringly naive for a man who’s been in the NBA almost a decade.
by Zack Vank on Nov 7, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly, I wrote a little too much for you
that he’d been taking the blame ever since he got here
When things have gone bad, who has been blamed? Monta? BD? Randolph? Biedrins? Nope. Jax? Every single time. Right or wrong, it’s happened.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 7, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You said...
Stephen is blamed for a lot of things because he was the leader, the captain, the last remaining "We Believe" player…
…as such I assumed that we weren’t talking about the Baron Davis era, since at the time Baron was around, Jackson wasn’t the last remaining We Believe player, nor was he the leader. You’ve got me on captain, but to the contrary, I read every word you said, and if anything my mistake was apparently reading too much into the phrasing.
As far as the blaming prior to this season goes, there isn’t really a way to quantify it, which I’m willing to admit. Suffice to say my perception (which I admit I’m inherently biased toward given my lifetime of being myself) is that the extent to which Jackson has shouldered blame the past couple years has not been properly correlated to the blame he should by all rights invite given his play. I should also say, as a caveat, that Nelson’s reliance on him is a factor; last year, Jackson played more minutes than he ever should have, and it seemed to wear him down. That said, it’s a cold thing to imply persecution by a fanbase that comes out night after night to support vigorously such an abysmal team, a team that by his own claims Jackson feels or felt a loyalty to.
by Zack Vank on Nov 7, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it’s a cold thing to imply persecution by a fanbase
Not when that persecution actually, you know, exists. Then it’s just pointing to the giant 800lb gorilla sitting at the other end of the dining table. He’s tired of it. He’s tired of carrying a crappy team, he’s tired of the fanbase bashing him.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 7, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm...
…entirely sympathetic to him feeling burned out, physcially and emotionally, cause the team has been in a very constant state of transformation, and he’s logged a lot of minutes, That said, he is a fan of talking the talk, and in his efforts to carry us, he failed to walk the walk, and then wanted out. So in the immediate term there’s going to be backlash, it’s just the nature of the hoopdeball biz.
by Zack Vank on Nov 7, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I read every word you said
Wasn’t saying you didn’t. Just that all the words diluted my message.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 7, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Karma & Jackson Being Right On
This is nothing but Cohan and the weasels karma..These two idiots have hired clowns like Riley and Nelson and this is what that got and deserve..The players don’t want to be here and don’t want to play for Nelson..I have now gone over the Stephen Jacksons side and what he says is gospel compared to what Nelson and Riley say..
I now applaud Jackson for truth and honesty..He tells it like it is..The Warrior fans have been duped by the coach and front office..
The people who own and run this organization are geting EXACTLY WHAT THEY DESERVE..
Can the Warriors lose 70 games this year??
by The Sear on Nov 7, 2009 10:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sure
It’s Nellie’s fault. We’ll ignore the situation of our only 5 big men:
1. Andris – Out with a back injury
2. Randolph – Injured his back, not completely healed, and playing like an excited puppy instead of an NBA basketball player
3. Turiaf – Out with a knee injury
4. Wright – Out with a shoulder injury
5. Mikki Moore – He’s Mikki Moore, ’nuff said.
We’ll ignore the fact that we’ve got zero big men after being deeper at the 4/5 than we’ve been in what seems like forever. And that we were playing against a team with a pair of quality big men. Sure, it’s all Nellie’s fault.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 7, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As involved as Nelson is in the construction of the team, yeah - a lot of it is his fault
And if you think he’s not heavily involved, you’re wrong.
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by Flashfire on Nov 7, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
First
Half decent big men are not easy to acquire. Thus, if you added a 6th, he’d either be another Mikki Moore type, or a $4M/year player sitting at the end of the bench for most (if not all) of the season.
Second, big men only take up at most 40% of the time on the floor, and Nellie doesn’t really use them that much. It’s pretty reasonable to have 33% of your entire roster be big men.
Third, at least 3 of our 15 roster spots are taken up by guys who will never see non-garbage PT. That leaves 12 roster spots, 5 of which are spent on bigs. You want even more? That’d just leave us woefully undermanned at other positions.
Or are you suggesting that Nellie should have seen into the future and known that Wright, Turiaf, Randolph, and Biedrins were going to get injured? OK, he shoulda seen the Wright injury coming.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 7, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
…and Nellie doesn’t really use them that much..
That particular point, then, he does have to answer to.
I’m not suggesting he use a crystal ball or anything, but the point at which Wright was injured, Riley should’ve been looking for a stop-gap, assuming Nelson was as hesitant to give Moore playing time as he seemed to be (which is the correct decision, I’d venture). I guarantee you there are hungry young players fresh out of the D-League that would give us more right now than we’re getting from Moore. In any case, throwing up your hands and going to battle NBA teams with legit size with only two big men for two positions is a stretch for me to comprehend, at least if your goal is win at all costs. Which, incidentally, is the only goal that can justify to me not giving as many minutes to Randolph as he can muster.
by Zack Vank on Nov 7, 2009 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Riley should’ve been looking for a stop-gap, assuming Nelson was as hesitant to give Moore
That you’re suggesting that a more capable big man than Moore was available on short notice right before the season is truly laughable.
I guarantee you there are hungry young players fresh out of the D-League that would give us more right now than we’re getting from Moore.
And I guarantee you that they’re just like Anthony Randolph, except without the athleticism (i.e. they’ll run around like a puppy, play terrible defense, over commit, and foul way too much). They’re not as good as Moore, they may look better at times, but as a whole of their abilities, Moore is better.
In any case, throwing up your hands and going to battle NBA teams with legit size with only two big men for two positions is a stretch for me to comprehend, at least if your goal is win at all costs.
I’ll take my chances with NBA talent that’s a little too small over NCAA talent that appears big enough, until you see how slow and untalented they are in comparison to the NBA talent they’re competing with.
Which, incidentally, is the only goal that can justify to me not giving as many minutes to Randolph as he can muster.
Maybe, just maybe, playing poorly and not succeeding in “the real thing” isn’t the most instructive learning experience. Maybe it’s like riding a motorcycle. You don’t just jump on and hit the highway, you actually go to class, spend some time learning the basics, then hit some residential streets, some city streets, and finally when you’ve MASTERED THE BASICS, you’re ready to plow down the highway at 80 weaving in and out of lanes…
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 7, 2009 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The...
…motorcycle analogy is a little bit aggrandized, because it invokes the idea of a motorcycle crash. Randolph isn’t going to get his skull caved in playing starter’s minutes, even if he weren’t playing well. As for the Moore issue, it seems like we have a very profound disagreement. Would you have argued the year we had Troy Hudson that we couldn’t have found a better small guard in the D-League, for example?
We’ve plucked Watson, and Azubuike out of there; I daresay there’s a big man down there who even if on enthusiasm alone would benefit us more than Mikki Moore has. In 19 minutes tonight he gave us 4 rebounds, three turnovers, four fouls, and not a single point. Exactly how unlikely is it that a kid who was actually playing for his next game could outpace him? It seems pretty likely to me.
by Zack Vank on Nov 7, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Randolph isn’t going to get his skull caved in playing starter’s minutes
He might not physically get his skull caved in, but if he continually fouled out, failed, and started getting bashed and/or labeled a bust in the media and by the fans, an emotional guy like Anthony Randolph would have his skull emotionally caved in, and he’d likely not ever be the same anymore.
Who’s one of the best D League bigs? Why, our own Richard Hendrix! What was his problem in the NBA? Why, fouling way too much!
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 7, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
…Mikki Moore just gave us 4 fouls in 19 minutes and didn’t score a basket. If you’re asking if I’d rather roll the dice on Hendrix than be resigned to failure with Moore, I would.
by Zack Vank on Nov 7, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh...
Hendrix would have done that, except he’d also have given Kaman tons of easy layups and trips to the foul line. Moore at least made Kaman hit some jumpers/hook shots.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 7, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I never said Moore was great
Just that you’re assuming that some random guy from off the street (D League) would be better… which is simply not true.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 7, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't...
…say that as a factual certainty, though, anymore than I could say for a certainty that Richard Hendrix would score 100 points a game for us. I recognize the merit of NBA experience, and under normal circumstances I’d rank a vet ahead of the idea I’m proposing. I’m just suggesting that given how pitifully Moore has looked, and given that he’s more or less past his prime as a player, there’s no reason to believe it starts going uphill from here. I’d rather have a D-Leaguer like Hendrix who at worst doesn’t work out (just like Moore hasn’t/won’t), and at best becomes a worthwhile roleplayer (the likes of which we’re quite familiar with around these parts).
by Zack Vank on Nov 7, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
But you can’t say that a million monkeys at a million typewriters couldn’t come up with an excellent screenplay either. The percentages certainly lie with Mikki Moore. And when you’re only going to use the guy in spot situations, you want a professional who’s going to give you EXACTLY what you know you need (i.e. a big man who’s mildly competent at defending, who’s not going to go out and do anything stupid), not some young guy looking to prove himself without any knowledge of how to actually play the game the right way.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 7, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
…I could say that they couldn’t come up with one. They could luck into it, but monkeys as they currently exist won’t be able to brainstorm a screenplay written in English.
Again, I understand the importance of being experienced and cognizent of your role- although I might also suggest that players being comfortable and knowing their roles is maybe the least possible under Don Nelson than any team in the league- but it surprises me that you’re so convinced in such certain seeming terms that nobody, either from the D-League or free agency, could better what Moore is presently giving us. I’m suggesting that he is so clearly washed up that the value of keeping him on the team and eating the roster spot isn’t even worth it, certainly not for a team that is so far from contention they don’t even benefit from a steady, level-headed, do-nothing backup center.
by Zack Vank on Nov 7, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And then someone like Anthony Morrow comes along and secures a spot on an NBA team...
…because he has a penchant for being able to shoot the ball really well. Subsequently, he played well enough to be kept around and brought back this year.
When he was brought onto the roster he was “some random guy from off the street (D League),” wasn’t he?
Someone like Mikki Moore is nobody special. I think it’s safe to say out there somewhere is somebody else who can fill his role better. It’s just a matter of a team with a need like that finding it. Decent players get missed all the time.
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by Flashfire on Nov 7, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As said before
Smalls are much, much, MUCH more available. If it was a “Troy Hudson” situation, I’d say go for the young guy. But, big men are not the same. Please try to understand this.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 7, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There is no problem with understanding anything
The point stands.
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by Flashfire on Nov 7, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
after watching the video of him talking on here I am totally on his side. This loss shows the main reason why he said all that stuff. and if you use the excuse of him signing and wanting to get traded. Remember they told him they would fix the team which they have not done at all.
So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!
by 24k state fan since 87 on Nov 7, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not blaming Nellie
but after watching that garbage last night, I couldn’t help wonder who the hell is teaching these guys to play basketball. When there’s so much they haven’t learned, is coaching partly to blame? Maybe I’m overreacting to one horrid game, but wow, that was terrible.
by JRDub on Nov 7, 2009 11:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
He's already said he doesn't like to coach his vets, like Maggette
That’s worthy of blame right there.
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by Flashfire on Nov 7, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The whole team looks lost, which does fall on the coach
I dont know who else it could fall on? It’s not even that the players look like they dont care (most of them) but they look like they honestly dont know what to do.
by 123707THIZZ on Nov 7, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this.
I have no problem with the way Nellie’s been allotting minutes so far. In fact, given the lack of bigs, the glut of wings, Randolph’s regression, etc., I think Nellie has handled things pretty perfectly on that front. In terms of handing out minutes, I’d give him an A for the season so far.
But a coach’s job is not simply to hand out minutes in a sensible way. A coach has to prepare his team to play credible basketball. And on that front, Nellie has to get an F for last night. Not a B-minus, not a C, not a D. An F. 0 out of 100.
We were missing our two centers, and our only other credible big has forgotten how to play. None of that’s on Nellie. And it’s possible that we were fated to lose last night, given the size and skill of the Clipper bigs. I have no problem with the fact that we lost.
But I have a problem with the fact that Anthony Morrow, an intelligent, willing and teachable player, still has no idea how to play NBA defense. I have a problem with the fact that Stephen Jackson is still dribbling into double-teams without fear of reprisal, despite the actual NBA talent surrounding him. I have a problem with the fact that Corey Maggette is still shooting threes, despite 60 games’ worth of evidence that it hurts us. I have a problem with the fact that we don’t have an offensive plan other than “shoot it as soon as you get it”.
So we have a clueless front office and injury issues. Charlotte has the same problems, and less talent than we do, to boot. Guess what? They don’t get stomped at home by bad teams like that. Because their legendary coach actually 1) employs a coherent strategy, and 2) demands accountability of his players.
It’s one game. But that was not okay. Nellie gets to need get more out of this team than that.
by onlxn on Nov 7, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I guess this guys need to learn
to play half court game. The reason Clippers win because they got better ball movement and they control the tempo, they got open looks and of course got offensive rebound, kaman post up game killed as inside. Davis last year had a problem adjusting the way Clippers play, because he is more of run and gun when he was with Warriors. I mean it work for the Warriors to be run and gun if we have a good perimeter shooter and most of our three point were going in. i.e against Memphis. and the start of the 2nd half against the Clippers when we cut the lead into single digit. But if those three point ain’t going in or we are forcing shot inside and trying to get a foul. Its gonna be a long season. Being a run and gun team you need to have a dominate PG knows when to shoot or when to pass. It works when we have Davis coz he is a good shooter passer and ISO. But he know when to pass it to the open man. Curry got the talent and the skill to be a good PG he just need more experience so eventually we can be effective with run and gun offense again. But for now we need to be effective in half court and ball movement. Chemistry chemistry chemistry is the key. Houston is short handed with Hayes being the Center he is like 6’8 no Yao but they got good ball movement and 3 are going in that is why they are winning games. They almost won against the Lakers.
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by mykelala01 on Nov 7, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Baron Davis is a great Warrior
He, under Nellie’s system, is wholly responsible for any success this franchise has had this decade. Not Jack, not JRich, definitely not Monta. We Believed in Baron only, and some fans think Rowell was right not to sign him? For 3 yrs/ 39 million? I just don’t get it? He had an all star-worthy season if not for the Byron Scott issue. And, you try and “punk” him? He’s smarter than anyone else connected to the Warriors next to Russ and Nellie. That’s a fact.
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by eshock on Nov 7, 2009 11:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
That was painful
very very painful. Mind numblingly painful. I don’t know where to begin. I understand we had no Turiaf and no Biedrins, but even still. Jackson playing stubbornly. Maggette stubbornly taking outside shots. Everyone else looking lost. There is no team rhythm, no trust.
I thought Randolph was a little more under control on the floor tonight than the first 2 games. He still can’t think on the offensive side, and the drives and layup attempts looked off balance and wrong, and forced a bad shot once. And I didn’t expect him to stop Kaman. But I felt he was a little more under control. Nevertheless, I think this Marcus Thompson paragraph summarizes Randolph very well.
But, from what I was told, Randolph is acting as if he’s arrived, like the summer league and first part of preseason earned him a starting spot, big minutes and some leniency. The moment he realizes he’s got to grind like he was this summer, and be coachable, he’s going to take off, insiders tell me.
I know we haven’t had a consistent lineup in 4 games, but the inconsistency is coming from the front court.
Game 1 – Monta, Curry, Jack, Turiaf, Biedrins
Game 2 – Monta, Curry, Jack, Randolph, Biedrins
Game 3 – Monta, Curry, Azubuike, Jack, Biedrins
Game 4 – Monta, Curry, Azubuike, Jack, Moore
Turiaf was out, then Randolph looked terrible, then Biedrins was out.
Only positive from the game, Morrow raised his 3 pt shooting for the season to 8/15, 53.3%. Sigh.
by IQofaWarrior on Nov 7, 2009 11:16 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
When we complain AR only gets minutes in garbage time, the people scream “oh so now garbage time doesn’t count!?” So now are YOU saying garbage time doesn’t count cause that’s where his stats came from?
by 123707THIZZ on Nov 7, 2009 11:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Great recap
I’m with you right down the line.
Baron Davis is a stud in this league, and the Warriors have no one comparable. If he stays healthy, Dizzle-Gizzle (great name) are going to make some noise with or without Blake Griffin.
Randolph needs to grow up, fast. But one wonders how that can happen with most of the Bay Area media sucking up to him? It’s very refreshing to see you speak the truth.
Monta “leads” this team only by being dominant on the court. If his dominance is gone, what’s left?
by feltb0t on Nov 7, 2009 11:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
8 and 74 Baby
Lets go for that all time losers record..Thats a great time out!!
by The Sear on Nov 7, 2009 11:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Followed, of course
By the #4 pick :-P… in true Warriors fashion.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 7, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone watch Comcast Sportsnet?
Jaymee Sire relayed some things Jack said about why we were so bad and I think all of them went back to the duties of the coach
by 123707THIZZ on Nov 7, 2009 11:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nelsons Team
This is Nelsons team and his players..He forced Mully out along with the weasel..His ugly stamp is all over this team..If any of you think that he wasn’t involved with every decision regarding the players, then you are just delusional..THIS IS NELSON AND ROWELLS TEAM PERIOD..
Not putting the blame on Nelson and Rowell is pure delusion, nothing more..
by The Sear on Nov 7, 2009 11:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
YOU LIE!
Baron was talking to Jax and Monta for 5 minutes before the game.
by goaldenstateboy on Nov 7, 2009 12:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
also
A Lot of people was booing when during the third quarter.
by goaldenstateboy on Nov 7, 2009 12:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
LOL @ the Jax interview
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by Xero on Nov 7, 2009 1:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
In other news...
Marcus Camby is one of my favorite players ever, which was emphasized more tonight than ever before. The guy does his job and does it well. Just think about this for a second: He took two shots in 30 minutes of play against the worst defense in the NBA. Does he even care about offense? What really tops it of for me is that he is totally capable of hitting shots (even the occasional three), but he’s more interested in doing his job than anything else. He even has more assists than turnovers for his career, which is always an amazing thing for a big to have.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Nov 7, 2009 1:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
1/2 game out of the playoffs!!!! LGW!!!!!!!!!!!
by crab dribble cocktail on Nov 7, 2009 2:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Anyone justifying Nelson's supplanting of Randolph for Moore confuses me
I was at the game last night, Moore is even worse in person. He doesn’t ‘do his job,’ he does nothing. He’s posted a PER of less than 7 so far and he’s even worse on defense. At this stage of his career, he is literally the worst NBA basketball player I’ve ever seen. This is not hyperpole. He doesn’t score, block shots,or rebound. It’s like 4 on 5 with him on the court. Ya, you can’t blame the absence of a fifth man for mistakes (Moore just stands near the paint and doesn’t move). I guess the difference is, Randolph had a poor game, Mikkie Moore wasn’t even really there. Nellie has to be fired, like yesterday.
ES
by Free Zarko on Nov 7, 2009 4:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Moore’s every bit as bad as you say. And at this point, I probably wouldn’t shed a tear if Nellie went home. But on this particular issue, I think Nellie’s right.
Randolph, no matter how crazy he gets, is better than Moore. So if our main goal is to win a game, Randolph should get the nod. But if our main goal is to build for the future, Randolph should be handled in whatever way aids his growth most effectively. And while many players would profit from learning on the court, I don’t think Randolph’s one of them. He needs to learn how to play within himself, and if the only way to teach him that is to bench him until he does, then so be it. I think our priority should be building for the future. As such, I’m fine with AR on the bench, even if it hurts our performance.
Now, if you want to argue that we should replace Moore with someone better, I’m totally with you… I’d think there are at least a dozen unsigned bigs who can give us more than he does. But I don’t want Randolph learning bad habits just because Mikki Moore sucks.
by onlxn on Nov 7, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Fair point
I just did a fan post on this ish, be curious to see what people think.
ES
by Free Zarko on Nov 7, 2009 5:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Out of curiousity...
…does anybody know where I can find a list of all the currently unsigned players who have NBA experience? I’ve had a surprisingly tough time snagging one.
by Zack Vank on Nov 7, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is a pretty good quote, I got from MT Blog
JACKSON: "We have different line-ups every night, guys don’t know how many minutes they’re going to play, when they’re coming out… There’s stuff we’ve got to get more concrete. It’s not anybody to blame. You’ve just got to figure it out as a team from top to bottom. … It’s going to be hard when you have a whole bunch of young guys, because they’re trying to figure their game out, let alone what their role is"
http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2009/11/07/game-4-clippers-118-warriors-90/#more-1525
by 123707THIZZ on Nov 7, 2009 8:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thats what he said in the video interview ^ up top
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by gametime_gsw on Nov 7, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Same old, same old
mistake prone, poor shooting, timid, non-emotional and mentally lapsing…………o.k., that should be enough for now, the rest of the season shall be very, very long and enduring. G.L..
by jlcdb70 on Nov 8, 2009 10:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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