They're bad
by freerandolph on Nov 7, 2009 1:19 AM PST
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I just want to save everyone a lot of time. The Warriors are bad. It doesn't matter how much potential they have. None of the players are going to get so much better that it really makes a difference. It doesn't matter what trades they make. They are most likely not going to be able to trade for a player who will make a difference, unless they trade Curry, Randolf, or Ellis, and even then (I think we might be overrating the potential of our team's players) I don't think we could get Bosh, or one of the few players who could make a big difference.
They're going to be bad this year, the only way they could possibly get better is if they trade for an injury prone player (tmac) or an troubled player (like baron was years ago) who hasn't been doing will recently but miraculously starts doing better when he gets to the Warriors. I don't think this would be a good move to make even if it worked out well, and the chances of it working out well aren't good.
So I'm just gonna say it right now. Don't be surprised if Nellie doesn't play Randolf, even if the Warriors are obviously a bad team that might as well play its young player to give them experience. Its obvious that Nellie doesn't care about that. And try not to get mad when the Warriors lose all but 26 of their games, (and the games they win will almost all be to teams like the Grizz, so don't read to much into a good game against a horrible team. They Dubs get creamed by the Clippers at home after all)
Like I said earlier, I'm just trying to save people some time. I'm also just trying to save everyone from the emotional pain that having high expectations for this team can incur. If you have any expectations (even getting a high pick in the draft lottery) you will be dissappointed.
The Warriors will suck. Curry and (hopefully) Randolf will get playing time and get better. But the Warriors aren't going to make the playoffs. They will be frustrating to watch. They will not do bad enough to get a high pick. They won't get any luck in the draft lottery and end up with the 9th pick, and then they will do it all again next year!!!!!
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So your name is freerandolph...
but you spell his name as “Randolf” throughout the whole post… hmmm
by we want foyle on Nov 7, 2009 2:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
keep it real
I hear what you’re saying. Optimism is one thing, but let’s keep it real. My expectations for this club are going to remain very low until this club is sold and there is a clean sweep of the front office; Cohen, Rowell, Riley, Nelson. Period
by Sunset Warrior on Nov 7, 2009 6:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
THEY SUCK
I have been following this team for 16yrs and every year I had hope. What have they done other than given us 1 yr of excitement? SH@#$
I love my dubs, but they will lose 60 games at least his year!!! What a shame we have supported this team through ups and downs, but this is a bottomless pit.
Before I could not get myself to miss a game. NOw I can not get myself to be slightly interested in what they have to offer.
List of what needs to be done
Hope to god they sell the team
Clean house of all what calls its self front office—WHAT A JOKE
Play the young guys-Lets see what we have
Trade if at all possible Jax, maggette and anything worthless -Oh that includes Nelly-Big time nothing—Yeah I know he has won umpteen gazzillion games—But has NEVER done anything
And hope that players some day want to come hear
This will be the worst season in 16yrs
by BeReal on Nov 7, 2009 7:47 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Fire Nelson!
Getting rid of Nelson should be number one on the list. Not saying that another coach can turn this around, but another coach would be more patient with the younger players allowing them to develop.
It may be a lost year, but the team needs to begin the process of developing its youngsters in the hopes of a brighter future. With the way that Nelson is coaching Randolph, playing him sparingly and now trying to make him a center, I just see a promising young player becoming quickly disgruntled and leaving us on another long playoff drought.
by ajtrinc on Nov 7, 2009 7:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Glad to see someone has been set free from the Warriors’ alluring spell of “potential”.
imo there is a simple way to determine how possible it is for a player to reach their potential – and that’s how well they understand the game. You can be blessed with skills like Darko or blessed with athleticism Ty Thomas, but if don’t have the IQ for the game your potential is limited. Guys who do tend to max out are the guys who understand their games (like Kevin Martin, Nash, Billups, West, Roy, Scola). back in the day, i watched pregame warm-ups with both Shaq & Webber dribbling fancy (Jason Williams’ were crazy) – but both understood that while they could do it, they weren’t good enough at it on the NBA level to rely on it.
Will AR ever understand he’s a limited offensive player & focus solely on rebounding, defense (& i’m not talking Maggette-like flopping which refs will eventually stop calling, i’m talking about honest to goodness position defense) and setting good screens? (i mean the guy shot 30.3% from outside of 8 feet last season… (info from NBA hot spots) yet his usage rate is closer to Jackson or Maggette than it is to Turiaf or Biedrins).
Most fans overrate “skilled” offensive players and underrate defensive players like Kendrick Perkins, Chuck Hayes, Ben Wallace & Bruce Bowen (in their days). That’s why Warriors, Grizz, etc fans will always talk about how they like the talent & whatnot w/o understanding that talent is limited to the offensive side of the ball.
The only thing that could possibly salvage this organization is to win the lottery when a transcendent player like Lebron or Duncan is available. I don’t like those chances.
by homer simpson on Nov 7, 2009 8:09 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Wow. Maybe we all ought to kill ourselves, because clearly, Nelson, Rowell and Cohen, collectively, are the anti-Christ. We’re helpless to oppose them and the devil’s power they have over our team to make them suck.
Please. We’ve lost to the Suns, who just blew out the Celtics. We lost to the Rockets, who like to hang in there with the Lakers and are off to a great start. We lost to the Clippers who seem to have two of the best front courts in the Western Conference right now, partly losing because we’re missing our two best centers and had Jackson at PF.
None of these games tell us much, as it is early in the season and we’ve been unhealthy. Let Randolph get back on track, let Biedrins and Turiaf get healthy and give the team time to make a few adjustments. We’ll be fun to watch again. Our win against the Grizz was kind of impressive, despite them sucking, seeing as we started out losing by like 15 and came back to blow them out… wow, they really sucky.
Welcome to the Pit of Despair! Don't even think about trying to escape.
by Naticus2 on Nov 7, 2009 8:48 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Jason Richardson went 7 of 8 on three's in that Suns win, too.
Formerly known as Five Ten Entertainment.
by Precise Films Productions on Nov 7, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And got 10 boards.
Welcome to the Pit of Despair! Don't even think about trying to escape.
by Naticus2 on Nov 7, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so you’re saying we played a good game , but lost to a better team….That wasn’t the game I watched.
by Sunset Warrior on Nov 7, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think that’s what I said. The Clippers may be an a’right team. When Baron plays well, they’re pretty good, I think. If he plays well consistently, that’s better than a .500 team and maybe a playoff team with Griffon playing well. My point was that they have Kaman and Camby, and we had no Biedrins nor Turiaf.
Welcome to the Pit of Despair! Don't even think about trying to escape.
by Naticus2 on Nov 7, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The GSW players on the floor Friday night played atrociously, period. The fact that Biedrins and Turiaf were in street clothes doesn’t change the fact that there was no chemistry, no flow, zero defense, no excuses. It amazes me that would would argue otherwise.
by Sunset Warrior on Nov 8, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One of the youngest teams in the league (possibly even the youngest?) doesn’t look like they’re in midseason form 4 games into the season…and you’re surprised?
by Missing Barry on Nov 8, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The W’s are not the youngest team, they are about the average age team compared to other teams in the NBA. There is no validity in that excuse. Other teams with the same average age don’t appear to be as lost as the W’s.
by Sunset Warrior on Nov 8, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, our starting lineup consists of four 20-somethings and one toddler…
An empty barrel makes the most noise.
by antihero on Nov 8, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure I buy that. Of players that actually get PT for us, Jack is 31, Maggette 29, Moore (who was never actually supposed to be part of the rotation) is 34 skewing the average, but other than that, Turiaf is the oldest player that gets PT at 26. Monta is 24, Biedrins 23, Curry 21, ‘Buike 25, Morrow 24, Randolph 20, and Wright is 22. I’m very confident calling the Warriors a very young team.
I’m also not trying to say it’s ok – the Warriors have not performed as well as they should. That much is obvious. Again, it’s only 5 games, though, and given how young most of our rotation is, and the fact that we’ve had some serious big man injury problems, it’s just not that surprising that we aren’t playing well at the moment. Give it some time, I don’t know that we’ll get it together enough to be a good team, but I do know these kids will start playing substantially better as the season goes on.
by Missing Barry on Nov 9, 2009 7:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to the Pit of Despair! Don't even think about trying to escape.
by Naticus2 on Nov 7, 2009 8:53 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Sniffle. The Warriors are even more depressing than Garfield minus Garfield…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Nov 7, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya’ don’t realize how disturbed Jon Arbuckle is, until you do Garfield Minus Garfield. What’s interesting is that it’s often even funnier without Garfield.
Welcome to the Pit of Despair! Don't even think about trying to escape.
by Naticus2 on Nov 7, 2009 11:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it’s often even funnier without Garfield.
Well, given how skull-crushingly unfunny I tend to find Garfield, and how side-splittingly funny I find Garfield Minus Garfield … I’m going to agree… ;-)
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Nov 8, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes, even the empty frames in Garfield Minus Garfield add something to it. It’s like they represent the emptiness in Jon’s soul. heh heh
Welcome to the Pit of Despair! Don't even think about trying to escape.
by Naticus2 on Nov 8, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no they are just plain bad.
for the simple reason there is no chemistry among any of the players on the team that translates to the court…. the passing out the there is not fluid and some of the turnovers this season have been simply atrocious in terms of not being able to make an easy pass or find a wide wide open guy.
they have been competitive in 2/4 games which at the start of the season is unacceptable considering they haven’t played a top tier team. i would be ok if i saw the effort out there all 4 games and lost each one by a few points. only truly bad teams get blown out at home against the Clippers.
the defense is so bad its not even worth going into. they can’t even get back to back stops early in the game, much less later when it counts.
Until this team is able to dump Jackson, Ellis, and Maggs there really is little to no hope. those guys are “vets” but don’t offer anything but numerous bad shots. they are not leaders, nor team players, and don’t really care about this team.
Curry, Randolph, and Morrow are the future of this team, but until they all get starters minutes night in and night out, minimal development and improvement will actually occur.
Here’s to being a Warriors fan and seeing the promise of 3 years ago go down the drain.
by Jagz8 on Nov 7, 2009 9:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
they have been competitive in 2/4 games which at the start of the season is unacceptable considering they haven’t played a top tier team. i would be ok if i saw the effort out there all 4 games and lost each one by a few points. only truly bad teams get blown out at home against the Clippers.
Sigh. Spare us the hyperbole. Apparently the 2007-2008 Warriors never happened? You know, the team that won 48 games but started 0-6? It’s 4 games, just relax. Are we a good team? Probably not. Are we the worst team in the NBA because of 4 games? Definitely not. We’re playing with 3 of our top 4 big men….yeah, it’s tough. Curry’s getting his first NBA minutes of his career. Randolph is still young and trying to figure things out. It sounds like we’re working on trading Jackson. Monta’s finally healthy and has his explosiveness back, he’ll get back into the flow of things. We know Maggette is an efficient scorer, he’s much more likely to go back to playing like he has his whole career than continue scoring the way he has over the first 4 games.
Basically, you’re completely overreacting to 4 games. Just chill.
by Missing Barry on Nov 8, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Tracy McGrady is the answer? Really?
Thing A
by sam23 on Nov 7, 2009 9:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
id take T-Mac and his expiring deal to clear cap space and free up playing time.
by Jagz8 on Nov 7, 2009 9:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally
I remember back in 1995, cap space was a HUGE contributor. He put up 20 points and 13 rebounds in 30 minutes while shooting 60%. He was awesome! And the last time Playing Time got off the bench, he scored more points than minutes! Free him up!
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 7, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well yea, thats an argument that could be made. (though DFiB has a point too, and McGrady type cap space would, in all likelihood, lead to another Maggette-type signing) But the argument being made in the post is that getting a guy like T-Mac or Baron (who isn’t anywhere near expiring) is the only way this team improves this season. He at least said even that was unlikely, but…….
Thing A
by sam23 on Nov 7, 2009 10:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i really couldn't care less about what happens this year
….its already in the toilet in terms of making the playoffs, but development and growth is what needs to happen. By making a T-Mac trade, regardless of if he plays or not, it opens up their flexibility for the future and would potentially unload some of the bad contracts that are going to kill this team. (Jack, Ellis, Maggs). In doing this they could start to build a foundation of young team oriented players and establish a foundation to draft and sign players around. (Look at Portland and the moves/way they have handled the last 5 years)
To win in the NBA you have get consistency year in and year out and it has to start somewhere. build young, save cap, and get knowledgeable players and coaches in here. If I ran the team I’d dump all of those high priced ballhogs ASAP, clear cap, take my lumps for a couple years, build in the draft and bring in Avery Johnson to run the thing. In this current state no good is really going to come out of this bunch.
by Jagz8 on Nov 7, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Say it with me
WE WHINE!
To win in the NBA you have get consistency year in and year out and it has to start somewhere. build young, save cap, and get knowledgeable players and coaches in here.
Your premise is right, but your conclusion is wrong. Here’s where you start “Draft, or trade for a superduperstar. Trading is usually pretty hard, so focus on the drafting.”
If I ran the team I’d dump all of those high priced ballhogs ASAP, clear cap, take my lumps for a couple years, build in the draft and bring in Avery Johnson to run the thing.
Dear Spaghetti Monster, I’m glad you’re not running our team. If you ran the team, you’d quickly realize that “getting rid of high priced ballhogs” directly opposes “clear cap,” and taking your lumps for a few years will just lead to your fan base hating you. Finally, bringing in Avery Johnson to run the thing will not make one iota of difference.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 7, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
really?
I clearly stated twice that you build through the draft and that’s how you get a “superduperstar”. I don’t think they fall from trees. Trading for one with current pieces or enticing one thru free agency is pipe dream. Use trade market/free agency to pick up role players. my premise and conclusion are right on track.
I’d actually do a pretty good job. Getting rid of the high priced ballhogs is the only
way to clear cap space. That in no way opposes the increase of cap room. The W’s are taking their lumps and have since the departure of Baron, only it hasnt been productive because they are in denial of where they are as a team. The fanbase hating you comment is stupid because that’s already where the W’s are at and have been for some time now. I really hope you don’t believe the fans are paying to go see overpaid hogs like Jack and Maggs. the W’s are in rebuild mode time for everyone including themselves to accept it. Going young with Curry, Randolph, and Morrow, drafting shrewdly and acquiring team oriented role players that actually defend is the way to go. Avery Johnson would make a world of difference if the W’s were to go in this direction. He’s a young coach that preaches defense and team play which would pair perfectly with the young Warriors. that’s how you build, but if you would rather sit in denial fantasyland be my guest.
by Jagz8 on Nov 7, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just want to save everyone a lot of time. This diary is bad.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Nov 7, 2009 9:57 AM PST reply actions 7 recs
You know what's bad?
How they switched the “flag” and “rec.” I’ve almost flagged like 10 people I was trying to REC.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 7, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Comon now don't give up...
Playoffs 2009-2010 Who’s with me yeah! 45-37!
(trying to be a little optimistic, because really this team sucks, but a man can dream can’t he?)
OWENS! OWENS! OWENS! OWENS!
- Joe Starkey
by 9ersDubsGiantSharks on Nov 7, 2009 10:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
no. dreams are for naive....
unless their dreams about the #1 overall pick in 2010.
by Jagz8 on Nov 7, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dreams are for those that have not given up all hope at the first sign of adversity.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 7, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
technically
The Warriors had a worse record their first 7 games of 07-08, and still got to 48 wins. Then we were waiting for Jackson (to get back from suspension.) Now we’re waiting for Jackson (to be traded.) Never underestimate how one man can change a team.
by toddaverth on Nov 8, 2009 6:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"We Suck"
I agree with the post. I turned the tv off in the middle of the 3rd quarter yesterday. They were just doing too bad. I know the Dubs are young and don’t have a leader yet, but they played awful, especially to the Clips. No shots were going in, Nelly kept playing smallball even though they had Kaman AND Camby in, no rebounding (even though Biedrins was out), it was just bad. I do hope the W’s make a good trade for once and try to get some kind of all star calibur player, but hoping for the W’s never come true. Frustrating to be a Dub fans these day isn’t it? One minute they look like they’re about to make a comeback, the next they get blown out. Just 11 more years to go until the Dubs make a playoff run.
by DubsFan408 on Nov 7, 2009 1:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nelly kept playing smallball even though they had Kaman AND Camby in, no rebounding
That is what happens when Turiaf, Wrigth and Biedrins are all hurt. Do you have an alternate strategy to small ball that can work with a total of 2 active big men on the whole team (one of whom sucks)? Lack of rebounding is simply a product of our big men being hurt. (Well, at least a lot of it is)
by Missing Barry on Nov 8, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Anthony Randolph SUCKS!
The fact that so many people would rather dog on Beidrins and exalt someone like Randolph is crazy, but not surprising.
Saying Randolph “sucks” is a little harsh, but I’m so sick of everyone acting like Nellie is holding this great player back. He hustles and rebounds. THAT’S IT!
by Jeremy Belvins on Nov 7, 2009 1:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Overhyped
I don’t think Randolph sucks, I just think he’s overhyped. People give him more credit than he deserves. He’s still emotional and inconsistent, yet everyone is saying he’s going to be a great player this year which is not true. He might be because he has a lot of “potiental” but he still needs to learn the game. He is though exciting to watch, he took a lot of shots last game and missed most of them, but he also drew multiple charges and such. Is he a player you want to build your franchise around? No. Is he a good enough player to be starting for the W’s and excites you? Yes.
by DubsFan408 on Nov 7, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
God I hate hustling and rebounding!
If the kid isn’t a threat to drop 20 a night, I want nothing to do with him, am I right!?
by 123707THIZZ on Nov 7, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hustling and rebounding = nice, but that's it? really?
…but, at least at this point, he’s a spaz.
I think he has potential, but RIGHT NOW he’s not the player people are making him out to be. It’s not about scoring, it’s about understanding the game. He’s like a hyperactive kid. IMO, he needs at least another full season before he can be relied upon to play the game with an adequate level of competency.
I think he’ll be good, but right now he’s a mess.
by Jeremy Belvins on Nov 7, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Amen
Randolph is not going to develop under Nelson. Nelson has more patience for his veteran players and is too quick to yank some of his younger players. We are not going any where this year so why not give Randolph the consistent minutes he needs to see what he will offer us in the future.
by ajtrinc on Nov 8, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All good stuff like you said, he need more TIME
I was saying to my friends all summer there was a huge AR backlash coming and boy did it come. People were expecting a lot ( even I was expecting more than we’ve been seeing) and I knew when he didn’t come out putting up KG numbers the Bi-polar nature of fans would shift dramatically to hate. So instead of a lot of people being able to take a step back and saying, he really does need more time and this isn’t going to be THE season, the love quickly turns to hate. Just as the Warriors fanboy nerd I am reading all the message boards out there, I can fully say the Anthony Randolph Backlash is here
by 123707THIZZ on Nov 8, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No. Randolph grew an inch and gained 20 pounds! How dare you suggest he’s not the best player in the NBA right now.
by Missing Barry on Nov 8, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We better beat Sac tomorrow. It might be tough though, they just beat Utah on the road. Although they are playing B2B games (so stupid). The Warriors should feel embarrassed enough to come out with a strong start. If they start struggling again and fold in the later quarters, I will start to worry.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
by kenntoe on Nov 7, 2009 9:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You're right
Watching the Ws BEFORE the season is always fun because you can imagine the “potential” of the new/young players, and Nelson teams are always new/young players because he perpetually drives players off his teams.
As soon as the season starts, and you see the ineptitude of the “new” team Nelson has assembled, reality sets in.
This team isn’t losing because it is “young,” or “hasn’t played together enough,” etc., etc. This team is losing because they are inferior at virtually every position compared to almost all other NBA teams.
And there are only two guys to blame for that.
Nelson for doing it, and Cohan for hiring him to do it. It was all predictable (and some of us said so, before it got temporarily lost in the “We Believe” hype).
Now it’s the Don Nelson Show in full agony.
by formerlythecity on Nov 9, 2009 2:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
This team is losing because they are inferior at virtually every position compared to almost all other NBA teams.
I just don’t agree with that at all. Through 5 games they’ve played like that for sure. Things will start clicking, though, this team has way more talent than they’ve shown so far. Probably not a playoff team, but definitely not a bottom feeder either.
by Missing Barry on Nov 9, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad I'm not the only non-"Doom & Gloom"er around here...
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 9, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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