Could the Warriors run the triangle offense?
by warriorsvictim on Nov 9, 2009 2:42 PM PST
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Let's say we dump Nellie and bring in someone who is dedicated to the triangle....we have seen flashes of how good the team is when they are passing and moving with a purpose on offense.
Morrow & Buike would have more chances to catch the ball ready to shoot
Monta & Curry would have better lanes to play triple threat from
JAX & Maggette would know who to pass the ball to when they dont have a GOOD shot
Randolph would benefit from the additional discipline
There are college teams who are running the triangle system successfully now, so my initial thoughts that a young team would struggle are waning.
I also think that having purpose on offense will make the defense better. They wont be so frustrated getting back on D.
There are other offensive schemes out there, but I have not seen another one that allows high scoring teams who do not run/gun to have open shots so often.
This post is not meant to say let's do it this year, just what are your thoughts on running this offensive scheme with this group of players.
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Love the triangle
but it takes a LONG time and everyone needs to be a willing passer…. Look at lakers and old bulls. 3 or 4 players on floor were all good passers. Having players like Odom, gasol… pippen, kukoc should not be understated.
the point is the warriors have alot of BAD passers. The system isn’t the problem
by tafkasam on Nov 9, 2009 3:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Maybe bring in a Laker assistant or see what Smart can do. But Curry can pass, Ronny can out of the post, Monta has shown signs of passing, then what? Once AR settles down he has the skill to do it, and maybe our draft pick can as well. But it would take a long time. But it may be worth it.
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by dubzfan on Nov 9, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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I liked him as a player, and he’s been 1 of lead assistants for Lakers.
by tafkasam on Nov 9, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The triangle also requires an Alpha Male (Kobe Bryant) on the floor. Right now the Warriors best player cannot demand enough attention to make the triangle work.
by VERY VERY BUSY on Nov 9, 2009 3:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
actually it doesn't
at its core, it’s about finding the ‘easiest path to basket’ Good post players with interchangeable perimeter player. The idea is ball movement though, and the more you move the ball, the harder it is to key on one guy.. thus why stars succeed in it, cause less double and triple teams.
http://www.jes-soft.com/playbook/platriangle-principles.html
by tafkasam on Nov 9, 2009 3:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
IF...
Jack could get traded for a perimeter player who could pass, and we got 1 post player with skills (think a gasol/odom type.. capable of passing out of post)… we could run an effective triangle w/ monta @ PG
by tafkasam on Nov 9, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's where we may have to see how AR develops
If we develop him in the triangle he will be very good. And as for a perimeter passer if we can get some expirings we can maybe try to get Joe Johnson , or trade for Prince. Gerald Wallace is also unselfish but is not a “play maker”.
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by dubzfan on Nov 9, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we develop him in the triangle he will be very good.
Careful there… Anthony may or may not be good in or out of the triangle offense. It’s really up to him.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 9, 2009 11:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not. ..
The triangle would be good in that you don’t need a traditional point guard, something we have a glut of. But, it needs at least 1-2 dominant post players. In the Chicago dynasty, you had Jordan and Pippen who were mismatches on any given night. The Lakers run has Kobe, Shaq, Gasol and to a lesser extent Odom.
It would take a few seasons for everyone to understand the principles and know where to go without the ball as a reflex instead of having to think about what the proper spacing is every time down the floor. Ws have maybe one good post player in Jax and he’s hardly what you would consider a dominant player. maybe princeton offense would be better for this team
by mr.freez on Nov 9, 2009 4:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, maybe not...
But the system they’re running right now isn’t working either.
The triangle is a system proven to win championships.
Nellie’s system, on the other hand, cannot.
by Elevation Sensation on Nov 9, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel almost any offense would be proven to win championships if it was run by Jordan/Pippen and Shaq/Kobe…
by Missing Barry on Nov 9, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NO!
It’s the triangle and Phil Jackson! Forget those loser players…
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 9, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Run'N'Gun to Triangle
Is a huge change in philosophy. Monta, Jax, and C-Mag are no where near the ideal Triangle type players. The triangle requires players who are willing to pass and that we are short of. If we can’t even run a defense or simple zone, I highly doubt we can run the Triangle.
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by ejdacanay on Nov 9, 2009 5:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone know anything about the triangle beyond just that one link someone provided? I have a pretty good feel for a lot of offenses, but the triangle is generally a pro offense and sadly, I never made it to the professional level (surprising, I know). Where does the movement come from? It doesn’t look like there are any screens, really, other than maybe some screens by the big men for each other. Is it really just an iso offense where everyone needs to be able to pass and all the movement is based on cutting and filling?
Generally I know it takes a lot of time to learn, which is why Phil likes to keep players (even bad ones like Farmar) around for a while, and bring guys he’s had before back if possible. Also, I know it requires a post presence…and we have nobody that can provide that. The closest is Maggette, and he can’t pass…though he can score….
by Missing Barry on Nov 9, 2009 6:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
there’s a dropdown menu next to the word “name” right above “Offense Triangle” …it describes entry passes, etc.
way more than simple positioning.
by wizard5ive on Nov 10, 2009 7:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.jes-soft.com/playbook/platriangle-principles.html
on this website that was posted by tafkasam
by wizard5ive on Nov 10, 2009 7:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh thanks I didn’t see the dropdown menu the first time.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2009 7:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
espn.com once posted a decent article on it
philosophically, its all about finding "easiest path to basket. "
Some prointds are it doesn’t require a pg, but all 3 perimeter players are interchangeable which is why its good for teams with ball dominant guards. Ultimately its about ball movement and spacing. all 5 players need to be able to pass….Look at jackson teams which have succeeded, none have had dominant point guards, but many good passers.
That being said, i’m sure nellie would die for Gasol + Odom type bigs
by tafkasam on Nov 10, 2009 7:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This
That being said, i’m sure nellie would die for Gasol + Odom type bigs
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 10, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
After last night, I am more convinced of our need for a system like this
There are a lot of people on our team who can pass and shoot well enough to make the triangle work,
Yes, we are missing a dominant post player as the anchor, but Randolph could be that person within a year or two as he finally develops a go to move in the post and more consistent shot.
I also see JAX and MAGS as people who can play well in the post when they have the proper match-up.
We also have a glut of people who can slash to the hoop, which works for this offense. If anyone is capable of getting to the rim, you end up with wide open jumpers which is the other thing we excel at.
We definitely need a more pass&movement focused offense.
by warriorsvictim on Nov 10, 2009 11:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I also see JAX and MAGS as people who can play well in the post when they have the proper match-up.
Hopefully Jackson will be gone soon. As for Maggette, he’s a tough matchup for a wing down low. The problem is he can’t pass, he’s going to shoot and/or get fouled (and don’t get me wrong, this is a good thing)…and that doesn’t seem like a good fit for a triangle offense.
We definitely need a more pass&movement focused offense.
I don’t think there’s really that much difference between offenses when it comes to this stuff. The biggest differences are positioning and spacing. Those two things are more of an execution issue…
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2009 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is we never pass like that
Minnesota is so terrible defensively we had our way. Also when Jackson is gone we are potentially losing our 2nd best passer and by far our best passing nonPG.
Morrow, Buike, Maggette, Randolph all don’t look to pass at all. Ellis does but he’s ball dominant score first. Which is ok if he’s surrounded with players with Curry’s mentality. If we could get Boris Diaw for one, we might be able to. He could play 3 or 4 (depending on Maggette being in) and he’d help move the ball.
Ultimately triangle or not, we need to move the ball better, we’re simply not good at it. We have shooters, but to get them open shots we need to pass better
by tafkasam on Nov 10, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We should run my middle school favorite.
Pass and screen away. Brilliant, wide open shots
by tafkasam on Nov 10, 2009 12:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Triangle is most effective
when you have a player that demands double-teams and extra attention.
However, to take advantage of this you need players that can space the floor. The Ws have the perimeter shooting but need(correct me if i’m mistaken) Biedrins to develop a post-up game.
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by ignign*kt on Nov 10, 2009 2:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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