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"Joakim Noah didn't appreciate LeBron James' dancing last week and it is unlikely last year's MVP would get away with doing that 20 years ago.

"If a guy was doing the Riverdance like that, coach would come over and say, 'Who's got the fewest amount of fouls of my big fellas?' " said ex-Celtic and TNT analyst Kevin McHale. "If you raised your hand, he would say, 'We will let him drive and then we will throw him on the ground.'

"When he is laying there we would say, 'Do you feel like dancing now?'

"And that pretty much solved the dancing problem."

I don't about you all, but he's coming off more of a douche bag since he's been in the NBA. The non handshake to the Magic...the Dancing in front of the Bulls Bench...the "Attention Everybody, you all should change your numbers because I'm changing mine"

Next thing he needs is an Ed Hardy shirt.

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Ha, that’s funny, because if Lebron played back in the day, he’d be bigger and stronger than the guy trying to take him down. 20-30 years ago Lebron would have had center size. I mean, according to B-R, Bill Russell was 6’9, 215 pounds. Sure, they might have tried to do something like that to Lebron, but he probably would have ran them over instead…

To actually address your point, frankly, I think it has less to do with Lebron and more to do with how big a star he’s become. Now that he’s the best player in the league, every single thing he does gets scrutanized and overanaylzed (because that’s what draws the largest audience to ESPN)….and it’s more that little things are brought to your attention and made out to be big things than anything else….

by Missing Barry on Dec 11, 2009 1:05 PM PST reply actions  

(Also, McHale himself is listed at 6’10 210. I’d like to see him try to “floor” Lebron)

by Missing Barry on Dec 11, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

For LeBron, they’d get the 2 or 3 guys with the least amount of fouls.

by belilaugh on Dec 11, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha. And I knew who posted fourth and fifth.

And sixth. XD

I actually agree that LeBron seems like more than a little bit of a douche (the non-handshake thing v. Orlando bugged me way more than the riverdance) but if he ever became our douche, I’d be doing a naked riverdance in Central Park in 25-degree weather…

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 11, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

LeBron may have 20-30 pounds on Russell in his prime, but from everything I’ve read about the young Russell, he would have absolutely “Brit-Warriored” LeBron for that kind of behavior. I mean, Wilt had 5 inches and 50-60 pounds, and the legend goes that Russell made him tremble in his Converses…

And even if Russell couldn’t floor LeBron, physically, he could send him home crying to mommy just by flashing his ten-fingers-and-one-toe covered in championship bling…

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 11, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Ha, true, Russell was the man. I really just used him as an example because he’s one of the best centers from the past and it’s just striking how much bigger Lebron is than him. And I couldn’t use Wilt, of course, because that would have been contrary to the point I was making. :)

The important thing is 29/30 times, Lebron wouldn’t have been playing Russell. I don’t actually have much of a point overall, I just think it’s funny that these old guys are talking about how tough things used to be when Lebron, from a physical standpoint, could have manhandled them. (And yes, I do a lot more physical things like this were, in fact, more common back then, I’m not disagreeing with that)

by Missing Barry on Dec 11, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I do *know a lot more…

by Missing Barry on Dec 11, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

lebron wouldn't be as big as he is...

had he played in previous eras…especially in the 60’s. he would likely have been a chain smoker, and would eat a few donuts before every game…

my point being players were smaller back then, because they didn’t have the personal trainers, training techniques, diet plans. HGH!! haha just kidding, but you get my point

"so much losers" - hiero

by montamazing on Dec 11, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course, training and nutrition obviously have a lot to do with bigger/faster/stronger people now, as well as population growth as a whole (meaning someone like Lebron probably is a better athlete relative to past athletes since he stands out from a bigger pool of people). Like I said, I don’t really have a point as much as it’s just funny to me that these guys that were never as big as Lebron talk like that. :)

by Missing Barry on Dec 12, 2009 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Finally a fellow Lebron Hater!

I respect his game a lot. But IMHO Lebron is very much a douche bag. He tries to say all the right things but he is full of shit. The real him is starting to show. I hope he never develops into a clutch performer and never develops a jump shot.

www.cohanpleasesell.com

by BillieHoyle on Dec 11, 2009 2:39 PM PST reply actions  

What do you mean, fame, money, and power is not good for a young soul?

This is the NBA. don’t get me started on Kobe. He’s come a long way now but this is what the league has become. Do you thnk Stern is going to do anything about it? No. He loves the Drama but Lebron should be fined every time he dunks and then flexes his pipes……while starring at them…….i mean do you have to look at them yourself? Come on.

by Balance on Dec 11, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

he can dance around on the court all he wants if he’s playing as well as he is. at this point, lebron would probably have to start stealing school kid’s lunch money and pushing old ladies into the street to make me dislike him. watching that man glide across the basketball court makes me exceedingly happy. being a jerk doesn’t change that.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Dec 11, 2009 6:04 PM PST reply actions  

you can’t travel if you’re feet never touch the ground. floating doesn’t count as steps.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Dec 11, 2009 6:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Ha, that made me laugh. You pretty much summed up exactly how I feel about Lebron…

by Missing Barry on Dec 12, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

lebron doesnt glide.

michael jordan glides. kobe bryant clides. clyde “the glide” dexler glides. lebron looks like an unothadox goofball when he plays. his game is ugly. efficient, but ugly.

www.cohanpleasesell.com

by BillieHoyle on Dec 13, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

True – Lebron isn’t smooth like some of the other guys like MJ, Dominique, or Dr J…

by Missing Barry on Dec 13, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Would you like him better if he were an orthodox goofball?

I personally find his game very appealing. Not quite as lovely as Jordan’s, but very attractive nonetheless. But that’s the thing about aesthetics: de gustibus non est disputandum. On the other hand, the numbers don’t lie: LeBron is very likely the best player in the NBA, or at worst #3.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 14, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd pay to see him riverdance his way out of the court when he gets eliminated this year.

I’d pay double to see him shake hand whoever puts his playoff run to sleep.

by calz on Dec 14, 2009 12:55 AM PST reply actions  

Leron is the new Allen Iverson.

Great player, talented…. will never win a championship unless he changes his style of play. 1 on 5 basketball is cute during the regular season, in the playoffs not so much.
Also most of his current game is based on his athletic dominance. What happens if he gets hurt and can’t drive the way he does now? His mediocore jump shot will start looking… well…. mediocore.

by VERY VERY BUSY on Dec 14, 2009 1:48 PM PST reply actions  

Leron is the new Allen Iverson.

LeRon Ellis was nowhere near as good as Iverson. Plus, as a 6-9 225 F/C, his game was totally different from Iverson’s. Apples and (Syracuse) oranges.

And speaking of 6-9 forwards whose game is totally different from Iverson’s … By any measure you want to pick, Iverson at his absolute peak was nowhere near LeBron James’ class in terms of production, efficiency, dominance at both ends of the court, and effect upon the outcome of games. It’s really not close at all. Iverson at his peak was probably closer to CJ Watson than to LeBron James.

1 on 5 basketball is cute during the regular season, in the playoffs not so much.

Haha. Here’s a little quiz for you. LeBron is currently averaging 8 assists a game. Can you name a recent NBA champion with a player who was better at sharing the ball?

Also most of his current game is based on his athletic dominance.

It’s a big part of it, for sure. Of course you could say the same about most dominant athletes. How was Bo Jackson after he messed up his hip? Or Pedro Martínez when he lost the zip on his fastball? Or Tiger Woods when he lost control of his zipper…. :-O

LeBron is 25 and not looking like he’s ready for the glue factory anytime soon. (Somehow he even managed to hold his own last night against the young up-and-coming stud Kevin Durant…) Are you saying that if you we were starting a team from scratch, LeBron wouldn’t be among your Top 5 building blocks?

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 14, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank you Mr. Spell Check
Iverson at his peak was probably closer to CJ Watson than to LeBron James.

Wow….. wow. You should be glad they don’t keep stats on basketball knowledge.

I will admit, I only started watching the Cavs last year when they played Orlando in the playoffs. Up until that series, I was all high on Lebron James just like everyone else, but constantly watching Lebron go 1 on 5 over and over got very stale. I thought there was something wrong with the Cavs, but my friends who watch a lot of Basketball said that’s just thier gameplan, give Lebron the ball and move out of the way. After that series I made an attempt to catch a few Cavs games this year and it’s the same story, new year. Sure if you look at his stats he looks like Jesus Christ in Nike’s, but watch a few games and get back to me.

I know that last paragraph probably didn’t make any sense to you since their weren’t any stats so I’ll just leave you with a quick stat. Iverson over his 10 years with Philly averaged 6.86 assists, yet he is not remembered as good passer, just a great scorer. Why is that? Because there’s a difference between passers and players looking to assist. Lebron James in first 5 years with the Cavs has avg 6.8 assists per game. Yes, that can change but only time will tell. To be honest stats don’t mean that much to me, I prefer to watch the game, I’m just trying to find a way to communicate with you.

Haha. Here’s a little quiz for you. LeBron is currently averaging 8 assists a game. Can you name a recent NBA champion with a player who was better at sharing the ball?

Lastly I don’t know why this matters, Lebron has as many championship rings as me so far and the only way the Cavs win this year is if Kobe falls in a hole, Dwight Howards shoulders fall off and KG gets hurt again.

by VERY VERY BUSY on Dec 14, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

you don’t think that the cavs playing one on five ball has anything to do with lebron’s mediocre supporting cast? give him pau gasol and see how many championships he racks up. the fact that the cavs are even in the discussion for title contenders is an amazing testement to how fantastic lebron really is.

as far as guys who “aren’t passers” go, you seemed to forget to mention that when you brought up kobe and howard, neither one of those players are known for their passing skills, and neither one has anything resembling lebron’s amazing court vision (perhaps his most underrated skill).

just a little piece of advice for you, people who know their stats watch a lot of basketball, that’s why people feel the need to delve deeper into the game they love. it’s a bit ridiculous to say that if someone cites a piece of hard evidence they must not ever watch basketball. the act is tired.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Dec 14, 2009 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

it’s a bit ridiculous to say that if someone cites a piece of hard evidence they must not ever watch basketball. the act is tired.

So is listening to people talk about stats as if they replace actually watching the game.

FYI if Lebron wanted help he would have it. Lebron does not want any help, he wants to do it on his own because he’s a me first type of guy. And of course you come back with “Well if he’s a me first type of guy, why does he avg 8 assists?” Look at Kobe, he demanded a trade or he walks, few months later they magically get Gasol. Lebron is the NBA’s golden boy, what he wants he’ll get. Watch some Cavs games when they play anyone but the Warriors and get back to me, until then I don’t even want to talk about the douche.

by VERY VERY BUSY on Dec 15, 2009 1:05 PM PST reply actions  

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