Getting Sick of No Curry and No Randolph in games
by Twistapher on Dec 11, 2009 7:51 PM PST
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When Randolph came in the game changed. When he went out, the Bulls hung around. He was left out and the Warriors lost. Why are we seeing Mikki and CJ in the fourth and OT rather than our young guns? One Bulls announcer made a (justified) quip about the warriors appearing to have no confidence in AR4. In the fourth quarter and OT the same announcers made a similar statement about "where's Curry?" I like CJ and all, but I would much rather see Curry out there getting the playing time in clutch situations. I just don't see how young superstars, for lack of a better word, are supposed to get better (and get their swaggar up a little) if they aren't given a chance to prove what they can do to change a game at critical moments, on critical possessions. Instead Maggette air-balled and CJ missed a wide open three at the end of the game.
Here's what I liked:
-Monta had a nice assist to Curry (who still needs to shoot more, although he's still trying to find his niche I imagine.)
-Radman plays some smart basketball... he's quick for a big guy... wish he could find his range again.
-AR4 made an immediate impact when he entered the game. Grabbing boards, hitting a nice jumper, hustling, playing under control...
-We need a legitimate PF who can change the Warriors franchise forever. Bosh!!!!
I suppose my question is: do the Warriors really have no confidence in Curry and Randolph? I sure hope there's a reason for all this.
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Ya smart is a terrible coach
He and Nellie are basically the same when it comes to this team. They are the wrong fit for the job. I blame coaching for the loss. Even though we didn’t shoot well, a coach allowing Vlad to stay at the 5 and be abused while we have a player like AR on the bench not in foul trouble makes no sense to me. We are getting killed on the boards and we have one of our best re bounders available (one of the best re bounders in the league per minute).
Our coaching is just a joke.
To those who argue in favor of Maggette, and how he puts up good numbers. My argument is as simple as this….Zach Randolph put up great numbers for the Clippers….NUMBERS LIE sometimes….Maggette’s long range jumpers turn into fast breaks for the other team and zero ball movement for our team. When you are shooting 30% from long range jumpers and in the 20’s for 3s….and you’re getting boo’d when you take a jumper, you shouldn’t be scratching your head and asking why.
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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 11, 2009 8:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Smart is not the coach. Smart has no say in the gameplan. Filling in for Nellie is NOT the same as being the head coach of this basketball team. Get your facts straight before you lump Smart in with Nellie.
by slapchop on Dec 11, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His lineup changes throughout the game
IS HIS DECISION.
Him playing AR for only 19 minutes when we are getting killed on the boards IS HIS DECISION.
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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 11, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
asdf
Why is everyone all so hyped on Smart getting the coaching job? What has he EVER done to show he can be an effective coach? If I remember correctly, it’s nothing.
by JRich4MVP on Dec 11, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL YA
why would we want Smart when we can get AVERY! Avery has proven to be a good coach by his record and what he did in Dallas. Also, he would fit with our players well because he runs a similar system and emphasizes defense and fundamentals more than our current terrible coaches.
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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 11, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll just point out Dallas got worse when Avery took over the job after Nellie. Oh, and remember when Nellie thoroughly outcoached him in the playoffs? Yeah…
by Missing Barry on Dec 12, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He didn’t out coach him….Dirk just got destroyed by Jack.
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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 12, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dirk got destroyed by Jack, and a good game plan. Nellie is flat out a better coach than Avery.
by Missing Barry on Dec 12, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nellie definitely out-coached Avery during that series.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 13, 2009 2:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course, there is a fair point that Nellie’s coaching effort these days may not be nearly on par with what he was doing for a playoff team….
But still, the point remains, Avery gets way too much credit – Dallas got worse when he got there.
by Missing Barry on Dec 13, 2009 9:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
uhhh
what’s AVERY’s career coaching record? like 75%?
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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 13, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he took over a talented team. They had won over 50 games the last 4 and a half seasons under Nellie before Johnson took over. Funny how they actually got worse defensively once Avery took over, despite the widely held thought that the exact opposite happened….
by Missing Barry on Dec 13, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Randolph gets his points by shooting a lot. Maggette scores efficiently. It’s an important point worth noting.
by Missing Barry on Dec 12, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let AR develop into our 4 of the future and beyond
He will be good enough, have patience in the 20 year old. Also I think Curry needs to look for his shot and be confident when it’s there. I don’t want him trying to be a scorer since he already is a great passer let him do that and score well. I’d rather have Curry score 15 with 8 assists than 20 points and 3 assists.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
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by dubzfan on Dec 11, 2009 8:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think they were double teaming Curry and he end up TO the ball
Besides, CJ is a much better clutch player than Curry.
As for AR, you gotta ask the coaches that.
by Shells on Dec 11, 2009 8:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Smallball
Get used to it. We’ll be seeing alot of it until Nelson gets the record and finally retires.
"We Deserve"
by YaHeard on Dec 11, 2009 8:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Honestly....
…I think Don Nelson, Keith Smart, & Avery Johnson are not the right choices for the Warriors. I think it is Byron Scott. I think he can do for Randolph and Curry what he did to Paul & West. I think as soon as they realize that we have a duo with unstoppable upside then the Warriors will become a better team.
by Dave B. on Dec 11, 2009 8:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Randolph needs to play...they are getting destroyed inside every night
I couldn’t agree more with this post. The only thing going for Smart is the team seems to like him and plays hard. His substittion patterns have been terrible. Much worse than Nelson.
Rodmanovic at the 5 who gives them nothing on both ends of the court and then when he is getting destroyed Smart turns to Mikki Moore who provides nothing but illegal screens.
AR4 continues to turn the game around everytime he checks in. They were down by 14 against Indiana when he came in. They won. They were down by 15 when he came in against Orlando. He completely out plays Dwight Howard they take the lead but run out of gas down the stretch. Against New Jersey they were down by 9 and getting destroyed on the boards. He comes in and the Warriors take over and even end up outrebounding New Jersey.
Mikki was again -16 tonight. We saw a great post early in the week that when MIkki is not in the game the Warriors are playing their opponents even for the season. AR4 got invited along with guys like Durrant to practice with Olympic team this summer yet he can’t play ahead of Mikki. CJ Watson can play 48 minutes at small forward in Oklahoma City yet AR can’t even play 24. I simply don’t get it.
by Mullin4HOF on Dec 11, 2009 9:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
CJ Watson can play 48 minutes at small forward in Oklahoma City yet AR can’t even play 24. I simply don’t get it.
CJ is cool and sticks to the game plan while Rudolf runs around doing stupid things. Potential talent is not the same as present understanding.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 14, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Randolph airballed twice in a row early in shot clock in 2nd half.
by Am22mO on Dec 11, 2009 9:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
And shot 3/6 for the game
Meanwhile, Moore turned the ball over 3 times on moving screens and was completely invisible down low
by randolphforpresident on Dec 11, 2009 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rodmanovic allowed two easy lay-ups and Moore had an illegal pick down the stretch
Monta shot an airball also. I believe Watson missed a layup and two open jump shots. Morrow went 4-15. Randolph played less mintues than Moore put had more Rebounds and block shots but most important stat….Moore -16, Randolph +1
by Mullin4HOF on Dec 11, 2009 9:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Curry didn’t play the whole 4th quarter and our offense looked just as terrible as the Bulls’ offense, which is something considering I don’t even think you can call what they do when they have the ball “offense”.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 11, 2009 9:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I just don’t see how young superstars, for lack of a better word,
our future starters or possible stars, but SUPERSTARS? C’mon son, you gotta do better than that. Curry’s been throwin extremely lazy passes durin his lapses in the second half and he wasn’t have a good game at all. I won’t necessarily argue AR getting more time because he’s been having a pretty decent stretch. But AM being so one dimensional and shooting a terrible not along with Monta becoming more of a volume shooter is why we lost.
Some of that I guess can be contributed to not having a low post presence in at all in the second half, but at the same time, but when your starting guards go 17-50 and the team shooting 38% from the field, you have a snowballs chance in hell of winning.
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by The Dedication on Dec 11, 2009 10:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by The Dedication on Dec 11, 2009 10:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda hard for a 6'3 guard to shoot over 50% with nobody helping don't you think?
They collapsed every time he drove into the paint with nobody to help. NOBODY.
by Am22mO on Dec 12, 2009 12:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the death in Morrow's family has gotten to him...
He’s had a couple bad outings since he came back to the team.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 12, 2009 1:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly...
Everything about this team is wrong.
From players to staffs to the coaches to the owners to the fans,it’s everything!
by Cpt. Jack in the Box on Dec 11, 2009 10:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Warriors Fans>Players>Coaches>Management>Ownership…
something is seriously wrong with this picture
by Throw up the Dub on Dec 11, 2009 11:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Lately even the fans haven’t been holding up there end. Yeah, we’re all frustrated, but stop taking it out on Maggette!
by Missing Barry on Dec 12, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree curry needs to play ahead of cj, its probably because of his careless TO’s lately. Also Curry needs to get his shots back it has not been consistent and timely. Looking at curry he has good handles, vision, and feel for the game, he needs to build his confidence (perimeter shooting) and he should improve.
Randolph, well were excited about him because he is one of the few bigs we got, however for a big I think we highly overrate him. First of all as a big you must have a go to post move – he does not, he looks lost in there. If you don’t have a post move then a consistent mid range – he does not. What I like about him is his intensity, rebounding, and defense. Once he understands what he is good at and works on those he will get more playing time.
by dubtown on Dec 12, 2009 2:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Does Noah have a post move?
Absolutely not. But he got close to 48 minutes last night and got tons of energy points/rebounds. Even though Randolph doesn’t have a low-post game at this point, he can contribute in so many other ways. I’m so sick of hearing this idea that the only way Randolph can contribute to the team is to develop a reliable post game.
by randolphforpresident on Dec 12, 2009 9:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Noah has a slightly better post game than AR
He can score against VladRad when needed at times. I didnt say that having a post move is the only way AR can contribute, he does do it in many other ways and I sincerely hope he finds his identity. Its just whenever he is inserted there is no consistency, and whenever he handles the ball a TO or missed shot is likely to happen.
by dubtown on Dec 12, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
He can score against VladRad when needed at times
a center can score on a player who should be a SF?? omg big surprise LOL
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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 12, 2009 11:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
technically, Vlad is listed as being bigger than AR.
by homer simpson on Dec 13, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
KILLED ON BOARDS - WHERE WAS HUNTER ?!
We got killed on the boards,second chance points and points in the paint ! Mikki Moore is a joke,where the hell was Hunter? He’s played solid so far,good D,boxing out and getting boards-WHY THE HELL DON’T WE PLAY HIM ???!!!
Keith Smart is a Nelson clone,substitutions are too infrequent.Morrow was playing like garbage tonight (sorry for his loss),but if he ain’t bringing it-sub him !!
Look at the comparison between points in the paint-absolutely atrocious!! Warriors are all perimeter,standing around the 3point arc watching Monta (usually) trying to make something happen! THAT AIN’T BASKETBALL ! Our second chance points and offensive rebounds were practically non existent ! GOOD LUCK WINNING MANY GAMES THAT WAY !!
TYPICAL WARRIORS !! New starting lineup; Curry,Ellis,Randolph,Radmonovich or Morrow (if his head is right) and Hunter !! TRY IT !
Dr. Jeff
by JEFFSJAZZ on Dec 12, 2009 3:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like that lineup
and i have been wondering where Hunter has been, in the games he’s played he’s been very impressive, and i think he would have done a pretty good job at containing Noah. Bottom line, give Hunter at least a couple minutes a game to see how he does, if he’s not doing too good pull him out, but i don’t think that will be the case very often. It shouldn’t be hard to pluck a couple of Mikki’s minutes and give them to him every game.
by bryanball on Dec 12, 2009 11:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
PG – Curry
SG – Ellis
SF – Maggette
PF – Randolph
C – Hunter
Bench: Watson, Morrow (should be 6th man), Radnmanovic, and Moore.
In my opinion, that should be the lineup.
by DubsFan408 on Dec 12, 2009 1:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Na…they will never play that lineup….at least lets try to be realistic:
Curry
Ellis
Morrow
Radman
Randolph
They wont play randolph at the 4 until both turiaf and andris are back…
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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 12, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you on Randolph
But, for Curry he needs some time to adjust to the NBA game. He wasn’t ever a point guard until his junior year at Davidson!
C.J. Watson and Randolph on the floor give the Warriors a much better shot at playing well.
Lineup should be:
C-Hunter
PF-Randolph
SF-Morrow
SG-Ellis
PG-Watson
by Rocky63215 on Dec 12, 2009 3:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Curry
He wasn’t ever a point guard until his junior year at Davidson!
That maybe true, but by the looks of things he is already the best PG on the Warriors (yes, including Monta).
by DubsFan408 on Dec 12, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
actually, he played the PG position his whole life until College.
by homer simpson on Dec 13, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And you knew this before you found the link?
by Loveisforfree on Dec 13, 2009 7:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve heard it repeated around these parts before…
by Missing Barry on Dec 13, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah i wouldnt throw Curry in a late game like that due to his shooting and his turn over ratio in the fourth quarter is crazy
by FurryCurry on Dec 13, 2009 10:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I just don't see how young superstars, for lack of a better word, are supposed to get better (and get their swaggar up a little) if they aren't given a chance to prove what they can do
Haha, If they are superstars they’ve already proved what they can do . If they are merely talented rookies they do what the coach tells them for a couple of years and if they are lucky he lets them stay.
Standing on the moon
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Standing on the moon
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Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 14, 2009 8:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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