Vlad the Inhaler (he sucks)
Courtesy of Golden State Worriers, this pretty much drives home my point:
Let me begin by saying Vlad has the physical tools of a good NBA player. He's 6-10 and used to have a three point shot. He could wake up tomorrow and turn it all around. And he wouldn't be the first player to repair his image amid Warriors chaos. Odds are against it, though. My last post dealt with some fairly objective Anthony Randolph stats, but my Radman doubting has a subjective attribution: Fringe NBA hopeful Paul Shirley used to constantly joke about Vlad's apathy and lack of work ethic. This can be dismissed as uninformed NBA gossip, but Vlad hasn't improved since 2003 (this is where subjectivity meets cold, hard evidence of suck).
Phil Jackson used to call Vlad a 'space cadet,' and it's not hard to see why. Passes fly into the stands with alarming frequency, so much so that Vlad cranked out 'the worst turnover rate at his position' last year, according to ESPN's John Hollinger. In the past, Vlad's shooting offset some his spacey ways. But it's been awful of late. He plays decent perimeter defense, which would be a plus....expect he's always playing power forward or center for us. Expect him to keep getting bludgeoned by the Joakim Noah's of this world. For all the hate directed at Maggette (yes, he sometimes drives me crazy too), I wonder how Vlad Rad escapes criticism. He can't shoot, can't pass, can't run, can't jump, can't block, can't steal, can't defend the 4 position. And is rumored not to care or work hard.
Predictably, this earns him a starting spot upon arrival. What the hell am I missing here? Am I misreading his PER of 9? Should I be hypnotized into lauding Vlad whenever he slobbers all over his mouthpiece like a horse chewing an apple?
I'm not trying to deliver a cliche, 'That guy's a bum!' argument. I just think management sends a bad message when they play someone who can't contribute and probably doesn't care. Since the Warriors coaches are supposedly so intent on rearing Randolph like a child, I'd like to know what the lesson is here. At least the impotent Mikki Moore looks like he wants it. And that's the sad state of Warrior Land positivity: At least the comically washed up player playing over the young talent looks concerned, unlike the apathetic starter who might be even worse.
Some bitter, semi-related post Bulls game thoughts....
I don't even know why I care anymore. I don't know why any of you care anymore. I guess I just love basketball and I love the Bay, and I can't not watch the flashy car wreck on my TV. Perhaps it's because some primal part of me loves to yell at Don Nelson through my TV. My intellectual curiosity pushes me towards finding the 'why' behind the badness. I suppose it's happening because people in large organizations subconsciously work within whatever pattern solidifies. Maybe the pattern of needlessly alienating and trading promising players set in awhile ago. Of course this isn't a conscious goal of Warriors management, but it sure could be subconscious. I'm grasping at straws here, because so little makes sense. My intellectual curiosity is no match for Warrior Land madness.
Following this team is like watching a friend stab himself, and then seeing the friend turn the knife on you. Does the Warriors organization hate its fans? Why else would a team mired in a lottery season play Mikki Moore over Anthony Randolph? Ticket revenue is down 22%, and the coach/es insist on starting the two worst players in the rotation and playing ESPN's #6 ranked sophmore a meager 22 minutes per night. Then we have to listen to mumbled paternalistic Gary St. Jean sermons about how Anthony Randolph must 'earn his minutes.'
Well the Warriors sure are earning their losses. They're earning them every time Vlad Rad plays minutes at center. They're earning them every time they start Mikki Moore in a real life NBA basketball game. It's apt to say they're 'earning them' because the Warriors coaching staff is losing games while employing inherently losing strategies. The path of regular basketball knowledge (i.e. least resistance) would win games that 'all SG' lineups lose. Losing like this takes effort. The Warriors are giving up games using bizarre strategies, not backed by basketball metrics. And they're doing this night after night, to the detriment fan interest. Doing the same ineffective thing over and over again is one definition of madness. They might have to create a new word for what ever the hell this is.
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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Its a shame....
That Vlad starts over Randolph. Nothing like playing an over-rated veteran over a super talented young player….no wonder people want to leave. Many teams would bury Vlad….we start him and give him alot of minutes…..
by Bellringer21 on Dec 12, 2009 7:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Great post
You have just been rolling them out lately. You articulated everything I feel about the Warriors situation. If we are going to lose, at least let us lose the right way. We got absolutely destroyed all night long on the boards and second chance points and we give 18 minutes to undoubtedly our best available rebounder?
As far as Vlad: I agree. If he is not consistent with his shot (as he hasn’t been since he arrived), he doesn’t have a whole lot to contribute to the team. The ball was rotating well last night, but it would often end up finding an open Vlad at the 3 point line. Last night he was either bricking that shot, or faking the shot and taking it into trouble. Given his lack of ball-handlings skills/passing ability, these forays into the middle usually didn’t end well for him.
by randolphforpresident on Dec 12, 2009 9:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
dang...u guys just love to hate on GSoM.....
so…..what has he done wrong so far?….i don’t see anything i don’t like…..he’s exceeded all of my expectations since coming here….only thing i’ll agree with u guys is that randolph should get more minutes…that should be a fact (to the coaches)…..but doesn’t make a difference to me if he starts or not as long as he gets more minutes then he is getting currently….and so far im not really feeling keith smart
by Morrow is wet!!! on Dec 12, 2009 9:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hating is the name of the game
Has Vlad exceeded expectations? I think so. But that’s not saying much at all considering not much was expected from him out of the trade. Vlad who? He’s shooting at around 40% overall this season, and is shooting a lousy percentage from 3 point range in spite of the open looks that he gets every game. His game is such that it spreads the floor and brings the bigs out of the lane, and that somehow is supposed to help the team offensively. Whether fans think he helps the dubs in that regard is up for discussion, but the problem every single season for this team is that they can’t play any defense. Defense is the problem here, not scoring, and Vlad is an awful defensive player. The original poster makes a point, and it’s one that Bob Fitzgerald keeps bringing up all the time (and I’m rolling my eyes here), that Vlad plays decent perimeter defense by shuffling his feet and keeping his man in front of him. That much is true, but that’s about all he does well defensively. He’s a horrible rebounder for a guy his size; he plays horribly in the low post; and HE DOESN’T EVER JUMP ON DEFENSE. Anyone who has followed the Warriors every game this season knows that he gets beat up on the defensive end. I’ve never seen a guy of his size (6’10) who, when attempting to rebound, tap balls that are right in front of him, instead of corralling it with both hands. I’ve never seen a guy of his size REGULARLY refuse to jump when defending a point guard who drives to the lane for a layup. That’s the definition of soft. That’s the definition of being passive and lacking in confidence (he doesn’t jump because he doesn’t think he can block the shot). In addition, his play at times really reminds me of Mikael Pietrus in that he does some really stupid things sometimes that really leaves you puzzled. Who in the world bounce passes the ball when a defender is between you and your teammate?
The mistakes, boneheaded plays, and missed opportunities are far more glaring than the 3 point shots that he makes, and that seems to be the big problem. From the fans’ perspective, the good doesn’t outweigh the bad, that’s why they hate on ’em. (For another current example, see Corey Maggette).
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Dec 12, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
About Vladdy
If this roster was healthy I imagine he’d be seeing 15-20 minutes max. That being said, so far my impressions…..
- He plays ALOT better defense than I expected. He’s by no means an elite defender, but he’s been a good team defender and committed. Can guard multiple positions.
-He’s moved the ball well. Probably our best passer @ the 4 position (certainly compared to Maggette and Randolph)
-His rebounding is better than his career average (8.5 per 40, to a career of 6.8). It’s still not good, but aside from Randolph @4 he is our best rebounder at the 4. One thing you all forget is we lack Biedrins and Turiaf making it hard to play Randolph at the 4. We all agree Mikki Moore at center is not ideal. I like Chris Hunter but he’s no great rebounder. Hunter is rebounding at 6.8 per 40. Not a guy you want to extend minutes on the floor. So that leaves us with the only option if Randolph playing a lot of 5, thus Vlad has to play @4. Point being we lack alternatives better than him.
-Finally the most frustrating thing for me has been radmanovic’ shooting. He’s a career .381 3pt% and ,533 TS%. but so far with the warriors he’s been .271 3pt% and .468 TS%. The odds are, that he’ll improve though and get back closer to his career numbers, which again isn’t amazing, but it’s a lot better than what were seeing today
So overall, i’d say he’s pleasantly surprised me. Sure he still has a bad contract but atleast it expires next year. Perhaps with a healthy roster, he can shoot more efficiently. I think he can be serviceable for us, I wouldn’t hesitate to trade him either, but as it stands he’s got to play if only by default.
I still think more than anything we NEED to move raja or speedy contracts and aquire a wing (2/3 player) who can move the ball and create offense himself. When we get healthy, we got adequate size and atleast 4 or 5 different players who can play the PF/C position and give us different looks. However we have 3 midgets, Morrow and Maggette capable of playing the 1 thru 3. We are WAY over dependent on Monta and seeing the consequences.
by tafkasam on Dec 12, 2009 10:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
These are good points
I perhaps didn’t give enough credit to his rebounding. On the balance, though, I think he hasn’t been giving us better than replacement level production.
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by Free Zarko on Dec 12, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Terrible Post - Sorry I just dont agree.
I am really gettig tired of the slagging off some of our players are getting. Have you actually bothered to watch any of the games Vlad has played since coming from the Bobcats? I can tell you that he is playing considerably better than when he was at Charlotte and in fact I think he is a very useful bench player with it seems a lot more effort than I have ever seen of him before and he is trying to make steals and play defensive on what is a very poor defensive team.
I dont think posts that basically assassinate one of our own players does any good whatsoever and it certainly is not entertaining to read from my perspective.
Sure we may not like certain players and no one has any objection to anyone saying “I dont particularly like his game!”… not a problem everyone has right to their opinion, but the vitriol to Vlad, Moore, etc I am wondering who is next on the target list of people to have a go at? Maybe George is going to get it next from you.
I have no issue with anyone having a go at the front office (Larry Riley does seem to be trying) and by all means rip the hell out of Cohan and Rowell…but can we please have some small respect at the very least for our players that are actually trying, even if you dont think their efforts are any good.
I would rather take a player that is at least showing some heart and dedication to play for our team than 500 bitching and moaning fans any day of the week.
We all agree Randolph should probably play a bit more, but equally anyone with HALF a brain can see that the lad has some growing up AND learning to do.
In the interview with Monta by Jim B, Monta made a clear comment that the NBA is for MEN and its a MAN’s game. I have no doubt in my mind at all, as to who he was aiming that at and suspect there have been some interesting discussions/tantrums that have been going on behind closed doors.
So yes we would like him to play more, but we would also like a superstar PF/SF here right now, but we dont have it, so can we just get behind the players we do have that are fit and giving their all for our club.
If Vlad was sitting on his backside and making no effort I may have some sympathy for your view, but I have watched a guy actually move his ass up and down the court and make obvious effort to try and defend. For this alone….I will cut him some professional slack and go so far as to say, that I actually like the idea of Buike as our SF with Vlad in rotation behind him.
If we could simply get Turiaf and Biedrins back fit and a solid/star PF with Randolph in behind in rotation, I actually believe we have a very good squad in the making. Especially if we can play Hunter more.
For the Randolph fanboys that dont realise the pointless effort of simply allowing their boy to play and run around as if this team is for him, they need to realise this one thing;
Looking at Randolph’s numbers this year…. if he can finally understand that he needs to have the composure he had toward the end of last year, he might actually take the most improved player award by a country mile….however, the headless chicken that we often see, over stretching to make wild swats , or poor positioning on offence or bringing the ball up himself when he should be outletting the ball much faster to our quick PG’s….HE…ANTHONY RANDOLPH…. is actually the one that is holding back his own minutes right now and for once…I can truly understand where the coaches are coming from.
Yes I would like him to play more, but only if he is going to start playing smarter….
"Better a Has-been than a Never-was. But better a Never-was than a Never-tried-to-be"
by BritWarriorGSW on Dec 12, 2009 10:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
If we could simply get Turiaf and Biedrins back fit and a solid/star PF with Randolph in behind in rotation, I actually believe we have a very good squad in the making. Especially if we can play Hunter more.
How good do you think we’d be if we had Scola or Landry with a healthy frontline…. Still think we’re heavily lacking @ wing.
by tafkasam on Dec 12, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i think this was the best post brit you have done in a while
i was getting a little frustrated with all this vlad hate when his +/- was the best on the court last night, and considering how well he has played for us in the past month, i thought freezarko is getting out of control
Marco Belinelli's Biggest Fan
by montadaboss on Dec 12, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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You start out the post by saying that its ok to attack the front office, but not our players. Then you go on to talk about Randolph as, paraphrasing, a chicken with his head cut off, thats constantly trying too hard to get blocked shots, has no idea how to position himself, and should never bring the ball up the court himself (as he often does).
by randolphforpresident on Dec 12, 2009 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll try to explain it for you as you're having difficulty...
The front office is not on the court playing the best they can with what they have. The front office has made some SHOCKING decisions and is possibly the most hated FO in the NBA, due ‘TO THEIR ACTIONS’. For this reason they are fair game.
Moore, Vlad, George etc, probably didnt want to come anymore more than any other NBA player because of my point above. However they are playing with some heart, with some pride, even if they are playing at the max of their ability. THAT in itself warrants a little more respect than certain posters are granting them.
As to critizism about Randolph’s play, it is merely to point out the things he is currently doing wrong WHICH if he changed , he could be having a stella year, rather than just a good one Do you not get my point on this?
Sorry Onlxn…but I completey disagree with you. Randolph is NOT playing an extremely high level of basketball, because his basketball IQ has clearly dropped this year despite his numbers going up. Kobe, Lebron, Nash, Wade, etc these players are playing an ‘extremely high level’ of basketball, Randolph is getting good numbers, bu everyone that actually does know a thing or two about the game orhas played, can see how with just a small adjustment, this lad ‘could’ be one of the best talents for his position in the NBA.
THE POINT IS – He SHOULD be doing even better by now, he certainly has the talent (Randolph fanboys need to understand I actually like the player), he clearly has the skills, he clearly has the ability to score and no he is not being asked to bring the ball up the court as you can tell if you watch either Monta’s or Curry’s or even the coaches faces sometimes when he does. IF he was playing as he was at the end of last and if you cannot see the difference in his play go to talk to Jae or someone you like to listen to and maybe they can explain it to you, but I am telling you, he is not playing with the quality and composure he had 8-9 months ago. IF he can get that composure back…I GUARANTEE YOU, he will be a starter for this team and will probably play 40 minutes a game. The fact is the coaching staff do not know which Randolph is going to come out in the first 5 minutes.
Dr Hyde that likes to foul everything within arms length in 3 minutes and does some incredibly bonehead plays or Dr Jekyl that has a basketball brilliance with the odd moment of madness! But madness in a good way.
But this is not the Randolph thread its about the guys who are giving their very all to this ball club, something the front officce can never be accused of giving…. so therefore Zarko…if your beef is with the management, then structure your post more carefully so that people reading it realize it is the management you have issue with, rather than ‘female dog slapping the hell’ out of players who may not have all the talent you want on the team….but they are what we have and for that…we OWE them SOME respect.
You can dislike their game and advise why you dislike their game, everyone understands that, as I have done wih Randolph, but please… lets cut the vitriol on this board and have some damn civility to our players, even if we dont like them. Otherwise you simply convey the appearance of a crass yob that has no business questioning the talent of a player that is 100 times greater talent than your own.
"Better a Has-been than a Never-was. But better a Never-was than a Never-tried-to-be"
by BritWarriorGSW on Dec 13, 2009 6:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know what to tell you
I am a yob questioning the talent of players better than myself. The real problem is that these players (Mikki, Vlad) may not belong in the NBA anymore. The whole situation is frustrating, confusing, and could only happen with this joke of a franchise.
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by Free Zarko on Dec 13, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont doubt that anyone of us would 'choose'...
To pick Vlad and Moore… however it does not change the fact that we can make the same points about the FO and how we would like things to change, without attacking the players who are at the very least giving their all for the uniform…. which is a shed load more than Iverson did for the Grizzlies…..
The point I am ‘trying’ to make to you and onlxn is to back off the players with the hate, it serves absolutely no purpose. You can make the exact same ponts about a player without it being a personal attack on him…. if you cant see that, then I am wasting my breath and effort trying to explain that to you.
Alternatively imagine if everytime you post something, despite your best intentions and efforts, someones first line is;
Free Zarko the miserable – He sucks!
All the impact is in the title and while the majority of your content is actually very good, you spoil it by making personal attacks on guys who are actually doing what they can for us, that may not mean much to you, but it means a lot to those of us who first and foremost want them to be giving their 110% of effort.
Olympic Mike, Sleepy and others are often the first ones to point out to me and others where theythink we ‘personally’ may be going wrong with our posts and posting style and I am simply doing the same to you. Sometimes you can learn something and other times you may think, FU….
The fact is, there are been some pretty tasteless attacks on some of our players recently that I just dont personally feel are justified, unless they show little respect for our team and clearly dont care…aka Stephen Jackson.
But as long as a player is making effort for us, lets give them some professional respect. Criticise by all means…. but lets leave the name calling on bench eh?
"Better a Has-been than a Never-was. But better a Never-was than a Never-tried-to-be"
by BritWarriorGSW on Dec 14, 2009 4:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's...
…a major point worth noting that Vlad the Inhaler sucking is a play on words, whereas Free Zarko the miserable wouldn’t be, which makes it seem more flatly offensive.
by Zack Vank on Dec 14, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who asked you Fack Skank?
;)
I jest of course! I am aware of the play on words… but it was a more general point than this specific post, which I am done explaining.
"Better a Has-been than a Never-was. But better a Never-was than a Never-tried-to-be"
by BritWarriorGSW on Dec 14, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Quick question...
lets cut the vitriol on this board and have some damn civility to our players, even if we dont like them.
I’m having a hard time seeing the vitriol and lack of civility. What in particular are you referring to?
"I could be chasing an untamed ornithoid without cause."
by olympicmike on Dec 13, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Word
Pointing out that a player shouldn’t be playing starter minutes anymore is civilized. Why should I pretend that the objective reality of Vlad/Mikki’s ineptitude is anything but what it is?
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by Free Zarko on Dec 13, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Vlad the Inhaler HE SUCKS
Is that your idea of civil toward one of our players then you surprise me Mike.
"Better a Has-been than a Never-was. But better a Never-was than a Never-tried-to-be"
by BritWarriorGSW on Dec 14, 2009 4:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough...
To me it seemed much more like a clever title (a play on “Vlad the Impaler”) than a personal attack. I really do think that if you take the entire post in context and not just the title you see that he isn’t attacking the player so much as pointing out that he is not very good (that shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone) and calling the FO and coaching staff into question.
I can certainly see how you would read it differently though. When I read the words “he sucks” written about a basketball player I generally assume that the intended meaning is that they are not a good player. In my experience “you suck” or “he sucks” is usually thrown around pretty casually and has lost the more vulgar connotation. I still don’t find it offensive, but I appreciate you explaining your side of it to me.
Fun bonus pic featuring Vlad the Impaler:

"I could be chasing an untamed ornithoid without cause."
by olympicmike on Dec 14, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe Free Zarko should apologize to all Transylvanians?
Or maybe just Gary Oldman would do?
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
by kenntoe on Dec 14, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The point isn't to dog one player
It’s to point out how bubbling Ws management continues to play bad players over good ones.
ES
by Free Zarko on Dec 12, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he is trying to make steals and play defensive on what is a very poor defensive team.
I agree that he’s playing hard on defense, but I’d rather that he look for blocks than steals… he gives just about everyone a free pass to the rim. He’s literally done a couple toreador moves as guards drive towards him. The numbers bear out that he’s been a defensive negative: teams shoot better and score more often against us when he’s on the floor.
Looking at Randolph’s numbers this year…. if he can finally understand that he needs to have the composure he had toward the end of last year, he might actually take the most improved player award by a country mile….however, the headless chicken that we often see, over stretching to make wild swats , or poor positioning on offence or bringing the ball up himself when he should be outletting the ball much faster to our quick PG’s….HE…ANTHONY RANDOLPH…. is actually the one that is holding back his own minutes right now and for once…I can truly understand where the coaches are coming from.
The “headless chicken” we can is playing extremely high-level basketball, better than any other Warrior by a good bit. And his bringing the ball up on offense is clearly a coaching directive, not something he’s just aimlessly doing himself.
Ladies and gentlemen, your Golden State Worriers.
by onlxn on Dec 12, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am wondering who is next on the target list of people to have a go at? Maybe George is going to get it next from you.
I hope so. I can’t stand George. He’s definitely up there with Kirilenko when it comes to players I simply cannot stand.
by Missing Barry on Dec 12, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As to Randolph...
HE…ANTHONY RANDOLPH…. is actually the one that is holding back his own minutes right now and for once…I can truly understand where the coaches are coming from.
I won’t argue that he’s played poorly at various points, and poorly enough to get pulled from games. The difference between you and I, though, is I think the coaching and prevailing perception of him (reckless, wild, immature, not under control, not a MAN) is now an active detriment. By which I mean, if Randolph makes a mistake regardless of the nature or the motivations behind it, it’s being chalked up to this idea that he’s like a twelve year old who just downed ten pixie sticks. Anthony Morrow gets off his feet on pump fakes constantly, but so far as I know he isn’t chastised for being overly effusive; Maggette falls in love his his deep jumpers which have been quite the vice this season, same as AR. I’m not saying there aren’t players who’ve deserved to land in the Don Nelson doghouse, just that I think he’s too rigid at times to let people out of it, and I wonder if there isn’t a permanent pall over his view of Randolph because of it.
Also, while it’s well and good to hear Monta spouting “team leader” platitudes with the best of them, his comment is steeped in the same sort of empty, jingoistic crap that I’d like to see less of in pro sports.
by Zack Vank on Dec 14, 2009 1:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he's attacking him
He’s just telling the truth. if you can’t see that all of that is true, then you haven’t been watching the games, or you don’t know that much about basketball. I see where other people are coming from, and i too believe he should have more minutes, but just watching the games and his inconsistancy i can see how hard it would be to give him consistant minutes without knowing what he’ll give you on a nightly basis.
by bryanball on Dec 12, 2009 11:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for visiting, FZ!
I’m not sure if Vlad’s attitude is an issue or not… his rebounding is up, which seems like a good sign on that front. I just think that, like Mikki, Vlad is a guy who’s simply not good enough to give you capable starters’ minutes. His shooting will probably improve, and if he gets back to his usual levels there, he’s a somewhat useful player, more useful than Mikki. But even then, he’s not dynamic enough on offense to counterbalance the fact that he can’t defend the rim to save his life. Mikki and Vlad are each big defensive weak spots on their own; together, they make a frontcourt so porous that winning becomes almost impossible.
As with Mikki, I don’t dislike or resent Vlad for sucking. They both seem like nice enough guys, and they’re doing the best they can. But the best they can do is not very good, and it’s a huge strategic mistake to give them so much court time, especially alongside each other. Smart/Nellie/whoever should be funneling as many of their minutes as possible to Randolph, Hunter, and (unless some health issue precludes it) Maggette. There’s just no reason to keep starting guys who can’t help us win and won’t be a part of our future.
Ladies and gentlemen, your Golden State Worriers.
by onlxn on Dec 12, 2009 2:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I mostly agree with that take, onlxn
I don’t hate guys like Mikki and Vlad as people (as in, I wouldn’t jeer if I saw them in Jack London Square). I even understand where a jaded, lazy player could be coming from. My anger is directed at the completely insane Warriors management.
ES
by Free Zarko on Dec 12, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, I certainly feel that.
Ladies and gentlemen, your Golden State Worriers.
by onlxn on Dec 12, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone says they aren't tanking.
But rolling out lineups with Vlad, Moore and Maggette just equals lose right there.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
by kenntoe on Dec 14, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HATERS
Obviously, Timmy’s ERA will be lowest. DUH
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
by Yoyo on Dec 12, 2009 5:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Vlad's doing his best...
It’s not his fault he’s starting over Randolph.
He has done everything that the Warriors expected him to do and even went the extra mile.
The only thing I hope he improve is his shooting consistency.
Please,stop the hating.
by Cpt. Jack in the Box on Dec 12, 2009 7:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
the team is playing poorly. are people not allowed to point out the reasons for this?
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Dec 12, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's funny how...
after a player makes a single mistake,everyone blames them for it but when they do good,it’s back on the wagon!
by Cpt. Jack in the Box on Dec 12, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i fail to see how this relates to vlad’s generally subpar play. he’s not a good player. we’re giving him lots of minutes. yeah, the team is banged up, but it’s hardly unfair to say “a team that has to give vlad lots of minutes is not going to be a good team”
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Dec 12, 2009 11:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just because he has been shooting the ball poorly lately...
people thinks he is not living up to expectations,but when he starts getting back to his old self,people will forget this ever happened.
by Cpt. Jack in the Box on Dec 13, 2009 12:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
his old self is not a good NBA player. never has been. this isn’t a small sample size, he really is a subpar player.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Dec 13, 2009 12:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why you hatin on Vlad?
I never said he was a good NBA player,but his old self by means shooting the ball at a consistent rate will really help us.
He’s not good,but he’s not bad as some people claim he is.
by Cpt. Jack in the Box on Dec 13, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why you hatin on Vlad?
Since when is accurate analysis of a players ability “hatin”? I’m seeing more and more of this kind of talk and I don’t get it. Nobody is saying that he is mean to babies, they are just saying he is not a good enough player to be playing as much as he is.
He’s not good,but he’s not bad as some people claim he is.
Really? would you care to elaborate?
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by olympicmike on Dec 13, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Accurate analysis...
“HE SUCKS”….C’mon Mike…. FZ may tick all your boxes in terms of posting style and it miht be right up your alley…but ‘the inhaler – he sucks’ is not accurate analysis but the point was made aot the general hate of late not just this post, i.e. the absolute slagging off that Mikki Moore received as well… again if you feel that is perfectly acceptable then you truly suprise me.
"Better a Has-been than a Never-was. But better a Never-was than a Never-tried-to-be"
by BritWarriorGSW on Dec 14, 2009 4:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the general hate of late not just this post, i.e. the absolute slagging off that Mikki Moore received as well…
I really don’t get why it’s okay for you to criticize Randolph, but it’s not okay for other posters to criticize other players. I understand that you find the term “he sucks” as personally offensive, but what was wrong with the Mikki Moore post?
"I could be chasing an untamed ornithoid without cause."
by olympicmike on Dec 14, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Update...
I went back and read onlxn’s Mikki post again, and I really would like an explanation about why you find it inappropriate. I don’t see anything there except a step by step analysis of how his play hurts the team.
"I could be chasing an untamed ornithoid without cause."
by olympicmike on Dec 14, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“sucks” might not be your favorite word, but do you really want to censor the term? if someone can back that statement up with analysis, i don’t see why it’s a big deal. vlad rad has never been good, and now he’s getting lots of minutes. i know injuries are a factor here, but considering the poor play of the team, pointing out a reason for the poor play doesn’t seem so mean spirited to me.
moore and vlad are bad players who are receiving lots of minutes when hunter and randolph are better options. i don’t have a problem with not promising randolph minutes, but he’s been earning PT over the junk we’ve been playing. would you really want to participate in a blog that prevents commenters from vocalizing points like that? would it even be worth reading?
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Dec 14, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing subpar about him, and expectations were not very high to begin with, is that his shooting is way inconsistent. He has been OK in he other aspects o his game.
by Badly Browned on Dec 13, 2009 11:43 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
well, he is a subpar rebounder for a 4, and a crappy passer and usually not much of a factor on defense. add in that “inconsistent” shooting (reality: he’s pretty consistently below average, 2007-08 aside) and he’s pretty clearly subpar.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Dec 13, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you read the post, it wasn't about merely 'hating'
The post points out that management is to blame for this. Vlad probably doesn’t try hard (that is his right) based on everything ever written about the guy. But it’s on management to cut his minutes.
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by Free Zarko on Dec 12, 2009 7:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I just don't see the point of starting Vlad and Moore
They have no future here, completely ineffective, and why not let AR play and develop? He has been playing really well as of late and our coaching staff seems to not want to put any effort in developing him. Defensively he changes the whole game for us is our best rebounder now, shot blocker and overall big as of now. What do they that he can’t? If we don’t try and develop him he was a complete waste of talent. Or he will go elsewhere and blow up. What is the overall plan in playing them? Can someone explain?
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
by dubzfan on Dec 13, 2009 6:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It seems the plan is
to anger season ticket holders and lose games/money.
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by Free Zarko on Dec 13, 2009 7:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That’s been the plan for 15 years running, and yet the fans still show up and Cohan still pockets a profit….
by Missing Barry on Dec 13, 2009 7:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to say....
How long have you been a fan? The treatment of STH’s and general poor ownership has been going on a Lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng! time!
"Better a Has-been than a Never-was. But better a Never-was than a Never-tried-to-be"
by BritWarriorGSW on Dec 14, 2009 4:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that was to FZ
"Better a Has-been than a Never-was. But better a Never-was than a Never-tried-to-be"
by BritWarriorGSW on Dec 14, 2009 4:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Radman
He’s no all-star?
I enjoy his game and it fits Nellie’s system. The game flows better with him on the floor opposed to StackJack’s.
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by KMC on Dec 14, 2009 3:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Heck they even blamed Randolph for the 1st quarter and he hadn't played.
24-2 in the paint was somehow Randolphs fault and was Young’s 23 first half points even though Rad was the one who somewhat attempted to guard him in the 1st quarter. Unfortunatly Young played with effort. Warriors problem is everyone thought the Warriors didn’t get any talent back for Jackson but instead of simply thinking they decide to play Rad 30 plus minutes a night to prove it.
by Mullin4HOF on Dec 14, 2009 8:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
can we trade him?
perhaps tied him with maggette for an above average big man? (don’t know who… I’d be satisfied with any M. Gasol or P. Millsapp)
do we have a chance? what do you think?
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by Gaucho! on Dec 15, 2009 6:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Even though i said he was Rocky v.2, i take that back.
He’s more like Troy Murphy before, when we wanted to trade him.
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by AlbinoWhale on Dec 16, 2009 1:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Troy Murphy?
I wish. We’d be way better off with Troy right now. His defense might be just as lame (maybe a bit worse), but at least he can score efficiently and grab boards.
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by olympicmike on Dec 16, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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