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RECAP: Warriors 95, Pistons 104 - Deja Vu

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This game mirrored the loss to the Bulls.

The first half was all about quick, crisp passing, ball movement, and drives to the bucket. At one point they built a 13 point lead. Despite some bone headed plays which allowed the Pistons to go on a 10-2 run, the Warriors were able to hold onto a 6 point lead at the half. On the road you just want to be close at the end to give yourself a chance to win and the play in the first half looked like the Warriors would have a chance. It was looking good.

The second half became another struggle for the Warriors to score. The 3rd quarter was a disaster with the Warriors going 5-19 and scoring just 12 points to the Pistons 22. They fell into the same problem they had yesterday, jumper, jumper, jumper, jumper. Essentially, the Pistons got the Warriors to play at the Pistons tempo, slow and deliberate. Half court to half court. Not many fast breaks. Too many possessions with the shot clock winding under 10. Slow and deliberate. Even though the Warriors nearly made a comeback as they went back and forth in the 4th with the Pistons to cut the lead to 2, they just weren't able to fully recover from the disastrous 3rd.

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What's With All the Second Half Meltdowns?
I begin to wonder how much of these second half meltdowns are due to fatigue. This was the back end of a back to back so I can understand being tired, but to me, it looked like they had enough energy to finish the game. That doesn't explain the collapses at home against the Rocketes and Magic, as well as the poor second halves against the Bulls and Pistons. Are they tired because they were playing with 7 man rotations for so long? Or are these second half failures due to just not being a very good team? Or both?

If it's the fatigue issue, that's on the management. When you consistently trade healthy players for injured players (Devean George, Speedy Claxton, Raja Bell), your roster is going to be depleted. If it's the just not being a very good team, again, that's on the management, the coaching, and well, the players.

I'm not saying I know what the issue with the meltdowns is, but why does it happen so often? I could look on the bright side and say "at least they were in the game", but the only thing that really matters are W's and L's.


Anthony + Anthony = 0
I have no idea what happened to these two tonight but they contributed just barely more than I did, and I contributed nothing. Their combined stats: 32 minutes, 0 points (0-4 FG's), 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 4 turnovers. Ouch! I think A-Mo has an excuse, he might not be there mentally due to the death in the family. I'll give him a pass for the last few games. He just doesn't look the same.

But I don't know what happened to Anthony Randolph. I don't know where he is mentally because he made numerous boneheaded mistakes tonight:

  • He missed cutting down the lane to receive a pass from Curry who had drawn to defenders. Randolph would have had an easy dunk.
  • He's still taking bad shots. In fact, right now, anything outside of 5 feet should be considered a bad shot for him. That airball from 15 feet out on the baseline was hideous.
  • He's still leaving his feet on defense when he doesn't need to. I can remember two instances. The first had a guard driving the lane in what amounted to a 2 on 1. The guard jumps, Anthony jumps and leaves his feet, which allows the guard to just dump the ball to a big man for a dunk. Second time was when Stuckey grabbed an offensive rebound and Randolph was standing between him and the basket. Stuckey pump fakes, Randolph jumps, Stuckey draws the foul. Why does Randolph need to leave his feet every time a guard drives the lane? If he stays on his feet, keeps his hands up, he makes it extremely difficult to make the shot. And if the other guy leaves his feet, Randolph is quick enough to get up and block the shot.


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Corey + Monta
These two guys played well tonight. Even though Maggette is still shooting 3's early in the shot clock (bad shot) he looked much better tonight than last night. He got to the line 8 times (0 yesterday) and shot a nice 8-13 from the field. He was more aggressive in attacking the bucket which got him some easy buckets and free throws, his bread and butter. He only grabbed four boards tonight, but it felt like he was much more active in the paint trying to secure rebounds.

Monta was great tonight. He played all 48 minutes and was still working hard until the end. He had a nice shooting night, 29 points on 11-20 shooting. But he also chipped in with 7 boards, 3 assists, 3 steals, with just 1 turnover. He was also very aggressive on defense going for steals and harassing the opposing guards. I've been impressed with the effort he's put forth on D this year. He says he's been doing it the entire time, but you, me, Monta, and the coaches know that he's stepped up his D in comparison to last season. And to be honest, it makes me smile. I appreciate effort, hustle, and desire on defense.

 

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Pistons

  • Rip Hamilton played in just his 2nd game of the season. His presence just might make the Pistons a better team. He didn't shoot exceptionally well, but he hit some key shots in the 4th.
  • But Rip wasn't the reason for the win, that honor belongs to Rodney Stuckey - 29 points (10-18 FG's, 9-10 FT's) to go with 7 assists. His 7 turnovers were a sore spot, but he came through in the 4th for them when the Warriors made a little run to cut the lead.
  • The other guy I was impressed with was Charlie Villanueva. His post moves looked smooth and refined. He had a hook shot from about 7 feet, he caught an alley oop when Vlad turned his head, and he did some nice work with jumpers.

 

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Sad that we start talking about other players not involved today's game

But really, Wallace is in beast-mode this season. Being 6’7" and grabbing those rebounds is one thing, but he’s doing it from the SF position too, which means he’s probably moving from the perimeter to the basket more than anyone else on the floor.

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 12, 2009 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

There's nothing to talk about...

today’s game is like any other day,we’ve already been through this.

I would love to have Gerald Wallace right now especially with all of the big guys out.

Monta for Wallace! haha not really but imagine the line-up

Curry
Morrow
Wallace
Radman
Moore
(as of right now)

Healthy Line-up

Curry/Watson/Claxton
Bell/Azubuike/Morrow
Wallace/Maggette/George
Wright/Randolph/Rad
Biedrins/Turiaf/Moore

Again,not making a rant about trading Monta but just imagine that lineup,We’ll have a decent shot.

by Cpt. Jack in the Box on Dec 12, 2009 11:05 PM PST up reply actions  

if u wanna imagine a scenario

maggs + speedy + CJ for wallace would be far more realistic…(still not realistic, really)

but wow would our lineup be sexy…

Ellis / Curry
Bell / Morrow
Wallace / Buki / Radman
Randolph / Wright / Radman
Andris / Turiaf

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 12, 2009 11:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that’s actually less realistic… Wallace is their franchise player… they would think about giving him up for Monta, but not for Maggette.

But yeah, neither of them are realistic… Especially since we just traded with the Bobcats not too long ago.

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 12, 2009 11:57 PM PST up reply actions  

It's probably just me,

but it seems like we have the worst third quarters.

by Jeremy Belvins on Dec 12, 2009 11:54 PM PST reply actions  

If Nelson is gone

what we get is more of the same. All of you who think that Keith Smart is the savior of the warriors need to check your collective selves. What we are going to get is more of the same. Yeah, you could argue that he doesn’t want to mess with Nellie’s system, but let’s face it this team is bad.
You add Turiaf and Biedrins this team will get better. Not much though. Has anybody ever heard of playing with a little pain. I guess not. Well why the hell would anyone play through pain with this team and risk further injury. Players that miss games over and over again are not worth a penny. It seem like Biedrins is always hurt and this make him less valuable. By the time they get back the season is going to be long gone. It’s pretty pathetic to chalk another season up to injuries. Maybe the warriors shouldn’t rely on these guys if they can’t stay healthy.
Maggette is still throwing up bricks from three point land. 5 for 23 on the year or something like that. C’mon man. Everybody talking about how dubs fans shouldn’t boo him. What a crock.
Without Bellinelli and without Jackson and with all the injuries again this team is probably worse that last year’s team.
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by brewitt on Dec 13, 2009 12:04 AM PST reply actions  

Without Bellinelli and without Jackson

Good riddance. Belinelli’s playing no better than he did last season, and Jackson’s playing worse. Yeah, it’d be nice, in 20:20 hindsight, to have another wing player to make up for the loss of Kelenna, but neither of those jokers is as good as Kelenna. (For one thing, on a per minute basis, Kelenna rebounds as well as the two of them combined…)

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 13, 2009 6:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Belli has been sucking it up lately, actually. His +/- has been getting worse every game, it seems.

Welcome to the Pit of Despair! Don't even think about trying to escape.

by Naticus2 on Dec 13, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Rawr!

we really need to have chris hunter in more often. i dont think i saw him so much as moore and randolph. And those two have been Terrible.
On another note, i really want to see curry develop into like a cp3. They should make him the main ball handler/distributor. Imagine curry throwing monta crazy alley oops like the sophmore/rookie game where it was monta +cp3 hahah.

by waterbottle415 on Dec 13, 2009 1:30 AM PST reply actions  

Sorry!

I just don’t like really tall people shooting the ball from where has been shooting. Unless their names happen to be channing frye or dirk nowitski. Plus! If he likes dribbling so much, he should be driving the ball into the lane and posterizing someone. But he has had some CRAZY blocks. I do admit.

by waterbottle415 on Dec 13, 2009 2:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Or Kevin Garnett

Chris Bosh, Amar’e…
plenty of good shooting big men.

by Reverend_Randy on Dec 13, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions  

i really want to see curry develop into like a cp3

Haha. Sounds like a plan.

Now all we need is Randolph to develop into like a KG and we’re in business.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 13, 2009 6:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Now we're talking.

How come no one one thought of that before?

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Dec 13, 2009 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Curry should be Curry.

I think he’d do a bad job as CP3 as is.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.

RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."

(MT)

by kenntoe on Dec 13, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

We could hope right lol

but how awsome would that be

Golden State Warriors Fan 4 Life!!!
The Golden Future
PF: Anthony Randolph
PG: Stephen Curry
Can't wait until GS wins a championship!!!

by GSW9 on Dec 13, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Hideously coached game. Just hideous.

It’s pretty obvious why we’re getting handled easily in the second halves of games: our opponents get used to smallball. Their wings start posting us up, their bigs stop dropping the ball down when they catch, their guards realize they can drive to the hoop with ease. That’s why you shouldn’t play smallball for 48 straight minutes. It’s a good transitional tactic, but it’s not a good overall alignment unless you have the right pieces. And we don’t.

I can’t begrudge the players on this one; given their fatigue, they actually played quite well. The coaching was awful, and betrayed their effort. If this is Smart following Nellie’s misguided marching orders, that’s one thing; if he’s as naively obsessed with going small as Nellie, our future is dark indeed.

Ladies and gentlemen, your Golden State Worriers.

by onlxn on Dec 13, 2009 2:21 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I think Smart is trying his hardest.

But still sucking it up. Nellie can afford to be aloof, while Smart is coaching for his next job…

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.

RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."

(MT)

by kenntoe on Dec 13, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe now some people understand why I made the post I did about Smart...

http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2009/11/15/1158184/are-you-watching-keith-smart

In these games with Nellie out, he has had the chance to show glimpses of what he would do differently as head coach…. But he simply has not. There is not a single thing that I have seen that differentiates him to Nellie…in fact…dare I say it….I think I actually prefer what Nellie has done…

ESPECIALLY in playing Chris Hunter more. I really dont know why Smart has hardly played this guy? He shows all the signs of having fantastic potential and an ability to be calm when it gets a little crazy…

This team still lacks some of the basic fundermentals that are tought to high school kids for crying out loud….THAT rests with the coaching staff and their lack of ‘tactical’ awareness during a game to see what their opponent is doign to them. Detroit did a superb job of killing the pace of the game. THEIR COACHES knew that speed is our only key right now, especially if our shots are off….slow the game down…kill the Dubz play…..why?

Because our coaching staff simply does not react to what the other team are doing and keep plugging away with the same tactics hoping to shoot our way out of the hole….

Next year is a new start…a new uniform…a new logo….and I personally would like to see a complete clean slate when it comes to the coaching staff and for GODS SAKE….BRING BACK SIDNEY MONCREIF FROM THE DAMN CHINESE!!!!

:)

"Better a Has-been than a Never-was. But better a Never-was than a Never-tried-to-be"

by BritWarriorGSW on Dec 13, 2009 6:29 AM PST reply actions  

And as I commented on that post of yours before...

I doubt the FO is going to make a real change in the coaching staff unless Nellie gets too sick to coach any more or Cohan ends up selling the team. I still think the best way to alleviate the problems with fundamentals on the team is to get a real high IQ veteran (Tayshaun Prince for instance). I bet Prince would do as much coaching in practice as our actual coaches, plus there won’t be any personality clashes like there are between some players and some coaches. Raja Bell would actually fit that role a bit if he was with the team.

Honestly, the most useful veteran – teaching wise – I can imagine being Devean George. Sure, he’s never really been good, but he’s at least played on really good teams. Mikki Moore makes more mistakes than any veteran I’ve ever seen, which makes me believe more and more that Kidd, Carter, and Jefferson really carried that Nets team on their own. Maggette is probably teaching the young guys how to cheat the refs, how to cheat for rebounds, etc.

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 13, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Deja Vu' - no kidding

unforced turnovers, poor shot selections and poor passing/poor off the ball movements. Notice how the problems of GSW are not really the result of having a dominant “big man”! The problems are the same problems GSW has had for the better part of 4 seasons; and, they are again:

#1. unforced turnovers

#2. poor shot selections

#3. poor passing/porr of the ball movements

Now, you know why GSW fans are so critical of this organization and over-paid athletes in general!

by jlcdb70 on Dec 13, 2009 9:47 AM PST reply actions  

Meh. All the teams in the NBA have those “problems.” You’d be surprised how many of them would disappear if the Warriors actually had a dominant big man — or a dominant player at any position. I don’t think I’d put any of the things on your list in the Top 10 things currently plaguing the team.

1. Lack of a real franchise player at any position
2. Poor overall defense (incl. rebounding)
3. Bad luck with injuries
4. Poor management / ownership
5. Erratic / inconsistent / absent coaching
6. Youth
7. Maggette’s contract

… I think that’s basically it. Apart from these, the state of the Warriors looks pretty good (;-P) Good thing is that problems #2 to 7 are all, to varying degrees, soluble (esp. #6). #1 will remain an issue if we ever want to contend for a championship, but hey, at this point I’ll gladly take being the Atlanta Hawks…

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 13, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

The Hawks are a great model for us.

Fix problem #4, then I’ll return to being unusually optimistic.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.

RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."

(MT)

by kenntoe on Dec 13, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Warriors ¡EN ESPAÑOL!

Derrota en Detriot:
Cronica, resumen, videos y mas:
http://losgswarriors.blogspot.com/2009/12/derrota-en-la-prorroga-contra-chicago.html

Warriors ¡¡ EN ESPAÑOL !!!!
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by R1Molano on Dec 13, 2009 10:23 AM PST reply actions  

Curry needs to study the game on the bench

I swear for a player who had a father play in the NBA, Curry’s IQ is very low. Yes, he has great court vision, but that hasn’t really translated into much. He doesn’t get to to the rim, he picks up his dibble way too early, and he makes piss poor passes!

by Rocky63215 on Dec 13, 2009 1:19 PM PST reply actions  

He played better at PG than he has at SG.

Welcome to the Pit of Despair! Don't even think about trying to escape.

by Naticus2 on Dec 13, 2009 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

The only rookie guard having a better season than Curry is Tyreke ( I could possibly be persuaded Jennings is just because he did have that 50 point game).

 I dunno why I take time out of my day to state the obvious truth for those who just deny it anyway.

If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.

by cybermaldonado on Dec 13, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I’d say Jennings and Evans are both having better seasons right now than Curry….

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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 13, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Ariza lol. Keep making excuses for him guys..

0-9, 2 rebounds, 4 TO. At least he’s up to almost 39% FG shooting this year..

If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.

by cybermaldonado on Dec 13, 2009 1:50 PM PST reply actions  

Ariza?

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 13, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

he got ejected today...

DeRozan schooled him. Stole the ball while he was standing there looking at him. Ariza took a swing at DeRozan and got ejected.

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 13, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

wow, i need to find a replay

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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 13, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions  

just watched the replay

damn, i just lost all respect for ariza

what a dirty SOB….laker for life i guess

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 13, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I give this game to the warriors

Fatigue takes toll. Bulls got a blow out lost from Boston. Warriors give a good fight against Pistons, even thou their morale is up right now for debuting Rip Hamilton against the Warriors. Just give us a win against A.I and the crew. Please Warriors that is not too much to ask for

Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........

by mykelala01 on Dec 13, 2009 7:38 PM PST reply actions  

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