Get Chris Paul with Monta Ellis
Its time the warriors management stops preserving the roster for a future that is still hazy. Its time for us to put our cards on the table and try to nab Chris Paul to play with Monta Ellis. We need to find out that it takes us giving up talent to recieve talent. I believe that the only way to pry away Chris Paul is to replace him with another point guard, and give them a lineup that they can't resist. how about a trade scenario like this?
I'm seeing a scenario for a three way trade, something maybe along these guidlines. (note: these are only guidelines to possible trades, which means these haven't taken acount for the salaries. Also drafts picks could be added to any of these guidelines to sweeten up the deal. These are just the ways i think we can get New Orleans to part with their superstar)
Curry and azubuike to New Orleans
Biedrins to third team.
Paul to Golden state
From third team: Starting SG or SF to New Orleans.
Plus whatever makes the salaries work and maybe draft picks.
New Orleans roster:
Curry/Collison
Azubuike/Thorton/Posey
player from third team/Stojacovic/Posey
David West/(???) I'm not to familiar with who the second string powerforward is
Okafor/Armstrong
There is one other way i think this trade could go through.
Curry and Biedrins to New Orleans.
Chris Paul to the warriors.
Emeka Okafor to third team.
Azubuike to third team.
SG/SF from third team to New Orleans.
This is my trade that i came up with.
Players recieved:
New Orleans: Stephen Curry, Shane Battier, Andris Biedrins, Chuck Hayes and maybe a draft pick from GS
Golden State: CP3, Brian Cook
Houston Rockets: Emeka Okafor, Kelenna Azubuike
With this trade we get Chris paul and an expiring to come off the books at the end of the year. When all our contracts come off the book. we can lure another good player with the bait of possibly the best backcourt in the NBA.
For the New Orleans Hornets they get a new look roster with a young promising point guard in Steph Curry, Other Rookie Marcus Thorton (who they are very high on), defensive stopper in Shane Battier, All-star David West, and a new young promising center in Andris Biedrins. For their backups they have rookie guard darren collison, James Posey, Peja Stojacovic, and backup big men in Chuck Hayes and Hilton Armstrong. I think this roster could possibly give the hornets a reason to trade Chris Paul. Also if we threw in a 1st round draft pick they would have i believe two number one picks to add to the roster.
For the Rockets they get a Center in Emeka Okafor to take the place of injured Yao ming who is out for the season. If Yao comes back next season, Emeka Okafor can be the backup center. The rockets also recieve injured player Kelenna Azubuike, who, this season, was proving he was a legitimate starter. His contract ends in two years, a year after Tracy Mcgrady's contract, so if they decide not to resign him, they already have a back up starter for a lot less money.
Well, I think I'm about done. Please share your comments on all of the ideas.
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I wish I could say Yes (and I voted yes)
but there is about a 0.001% chance.
I love CP3 though. I just want to see him on a good team.
The concept is good but I don’t think the example provided works in a few different ways:
We lose our starting center and get Brian Cook back. I like Turiaf and all, but he can’t be the only center on our team. CP3 needs a guy like Andris to run the pick n’ roll.
Houston would end up with too much talent in the front court. Okafor is too good to come off the bench. Scola has proven that he works well opposite to Yao, so they would be reluctant not to start him. Landry is showing how good he is this year, and I imagine that they will try to resign him.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 13, 2009 9:47 PM PST reply actions
to get CP3
we would have to give A) Monta or Curry. B) Randolph. C) Biedrins or Morrow + D) our draft pick. Theres no way new orleans deals a legitimate franchise player who is ummm 24 years old and under contract for anything less than 3 very solid NBA prospects, 2 of whom would have to have all star potential.
I know it sounds fair to trade them 3 of our players but think reverse, what would you want if you had CP3? Aside from lebron, dwight howard, kobe (who is 31)… and then possible Dwade/Melo there isn’t a bigger impact player in nba.
you don’t think NYK would offer Gallinari, expirings and #1 pick? You don’t think the rockets would move many of there players for him? I mean i could go on and on, but basically if CP3 was available, every team would see what they could do
to put it in perspective...
the last 2 blockbuster trades:
Boston got a 30 year old Garnett (30!)for 2 first round picks, and bararge of young talent, 1 of which was a potential all star PF/C (jefferson may not have panned out but you could easily argue, jefferson in 2006 > Randolph in 2009)
Miami got Shaq (32 at time… 32!) for Caron Butler (24), Lamar odom (25), Briant Grant, and a 1st round pick. To put it in perspective… 2 potential all stars, a viable NBA PF and a first round pick for a 32 year old.
Now tell me what the top PG in nba who is 1 of 5 best players and who is 24 years old will command?? Short of choking Jeff bowen (ok… I agree not funny on a warriors blog) or attacking fans (wait, what?!) I doubt we can make an offer that won’t leave us w/ CP3, CJ Watson, Mags, radmonovic, mikki more as our starting lineup
Funny Thing
I’m Trade Machine-ing it up right now. Monta, Curry, Randolph, Turiaf, Buike for CP3 and Peja…
Improves our team by 7 wins.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 13, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
well our lineup would be....
cp3, cj, peja, rady, biedrins….. oh boy!
wrights injured
morrow, missed. Thought he was traded
Those guys you’re talking about were dominant big men( two of the most dominant big men ever… ever!). How many great Pg’s in the past 15 years have won championships? Kidd 0, Nash 0.
by Loveisforfree on Dec 13, 2009 11:50 PM PST up reply actions
No offense. Nash doesn’t touch Chris Paul’s talent. Chris Paul is an all-NBA defender. Jason Kidd maybe, but CP3 is better than he was at this stage in his career. Then again when did Kidd ever really have a team talented enough to win it all??? Even those nets teams where flawed to say least.
Try not to think of him as a PG, but an elite guard. How about Dwayne Wade, Kobe, Michael Jordan? They won championships. CP3 is truly an elite player and YOUNG.
yeah...
i’m just having visions of a Paul/Monta backcourt.
I love CP3 but pg position is not our problem.
We need a solid 20 10 PF or C that can take care of the low post, something that we’ve been lacking (ex. bosh, amare, boozer). Our team can score but we are getting killed in second chance points. I think it would be exciting to see CP3 and Ellis play together but we need W’s. I just can’t see us competing against the elite teams like the lakers without a force inside.
Our problem is that we need better players, and more of them. Once the team is significantly better, then we can discuss which positions are what we need. Until then, we need anything that upgrades our talent.
Paul is better than anyone on our team, much, much, much better. If you have an opportunity to get him (and I don’t actually believe we do), you go for it, “need” be damned.
Our team scores a lot of points by playing a fast paced game, but we are not a very good offensive team. Our efficiency is in the lower half of the league. Don’t confuse points per game with offensive ability.
Our problem is that we need better players, and more of them.
can we just copy and paist this any and every time someone says we dont have a need…
"If God made us in his image then he must be dumb too, and a little ugly on the side."
Frank Zappa
Hell, I would be happy with a better player, singular. That player being Chris Paul. :)
by Missing Barry on Dec 14, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
i agree
Paul would make our team better but like ive said, I just can’t see us competing against the elite teams without a dominant force inside. Offense is not our problem, its defense. Can’t win championships without defense. Looking at our loses this year, we’ve had many opportunities to win games (6 we shoulda won) but it came down to taking care of the basket inside. Yes, our team scores a lot of points by playing a fast paced game but with a solid PF/C it would change our game a whole lot. It can create more open shots and more opportunies for our young team to score without ellis getting triple teamed everytime he drives to the basket. Lakers are successful not just because of kobe but their presense inside. If we can get chris paul and a defense minded PF that can score then I’m all for it but I doubt it.
Offense is not our problem, its defense.
Defense is a problem. This year, offense is also a problem. Points per game shows that we play a rapid paced game, but offensive efficiency indicates that we’re not particularly good beyond that.
This team stinks right now. It’s tough to say where we’d be without injuries, but across the board, this team doesn’t stack up as particularly impressive even with everyone healthy.
Dude, yes!
What the hell is the Warriors front office doing? CP3 or bust!
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Dec 13, 2009 9:57 PM PST reply actions
but....
i don’t think they would ask for randolph, because they already have david west.
LOL!
if they trade CP3 they are either going for 2 to 3 proven players OR a bunch of youth that would signal a rebuild. AKA… west + okafor would be next to go. Since we can’t offer them proven players, wed be going youth route signaling a rebuild.
hmmm....
Andris Biendrins+ Steph Curry. One proven player, and one player believed to have allstar talent. if we can find the right third team and the right third player plus our draft pick doesn’t that fit the criteria of 2 or 3 solid NBA players? Then you add a draft pick.
we will never have chris paul...
unless he demands a trade and really becomes like BD 2.0 over there then we might.
HAHAHA
If we DID get CP3, then wouldn’t we be one of the top teams for Lebron next season.
Cp3
Monta
Lebron
Randolph
Turiaf
Championship baby!
only on GSoM
is randolph thought to be a viable starter on a playoff team.
ps there’s also the issue of cap space
on a team featuring lebron and CP3, i’m a viable starter on a playoff team. randolph in that lineup is hardly the least plausible thing about it.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
i don’t see the two best players in the league dropping a best of seven to anyone, especially considering the vet minimum guys that would come running to play with lebron and paul.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
but would cohan pay it?
also lakers have probably the best player and another top 10 player. Side Q: if we had 1 season to play, and you building team just for 2009-10 would you rather have gasol or CP3? I think i’d prefer Gasol, an all star big>all star guard.
Add Artest and Bynum they got 4 legitimate all star players. Bynum is 1 who legitimately would get near Dwight Howard hype if he was anywhere else and could get 25 and 12. Unless Garnett comes at a vets minimum I take lakers to this mythical warrirors team
paul’s more than an allstar, he’s an other worldly talent. both he and lebron are considerably better than kobe or gasol, so that’s a big edge to start. bynum’s coming on, but i don’t think he bridges that gap. artest has slipped, he’s no longer the lockdown guy he once was. it’d come down to the lakers depth versus the warriors amazing top two. it’d be close, but i’ll take the mythical warriors team.
and you can probably guess my answer to paul v. gasol based on that.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
both he and lebron are considerably better than kobe
Ring?
And no i’m not a lakers fan, but i won’t deny the outrageous talent they have
Yup
Also- Ben Roethlesberger is better than Dan Marino because he has more rings than Dan.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 15, 2009 12:55 AM PST up reply actions
Are you a Lakers fan?
That Bynum hype is outrageous.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 13, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
Also
I’d take 2 top three players over a top 10 and a top 3.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 13, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
i’d put lebron and paul at one and two if i were ranking NBA players. kobe would barely snake into the top five.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
Really?
See my rankings would co something like:
1. Kobe
2. Lebron
3. Dwade
4. Howard
5. CP3
i’m really not sure why kobe is even in the debate for best player in the NBA. lebron is better across the board. he’s the better scorer, rebounder, passer and (now) defender. what’s left?
my rankings:
1. lebron
(large drop off)
2. CP3
3. howard
4. kobe
5. wade (he’d be higher if he weren’t having a down year)
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
Kobe = 1
I am not a laker fan or kobe fan but I must admit that he is the best in the NBA right now, Lebron comes very close, but cmon howard ahead of him?
I'm not a Cavs or Hornets fan
but I have to admit that LeBron and CP3 are the two best players in the league.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 14, 2009 12:32 AM PST up reply actions
howard might be #1 on my list...
Not cause hes best persay but he is a gigantic game changer. I said it before, i’ll say it again. What was difference between the we believe warriors and last years orlando magic? Dwight Howard> Biedrins. Otherwise it’s very comparable, spread perimeter shoot 3 or , drive the lane…. alston, c.lee, hedo, lewis are not better than baron, monta, jack, harrington. But they have the biggest game changer in middle, a big who is best rebounder in nba, and best defender of rim (almost playing as 2 men) oh yeah… and he scores 20+ a game efficiently even if it is ugly.
My point on bynum, he is probably second best center in nba. A legitimate big> legitimate swing
Duncan disagrees. Bynum isn’t even the best C on his own team….
by Missing Barry on Dec 14, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
Pau is used more as a F
Bynum is more ideal at center
If I’m interpretting 82games right Pau is fairly close to a 50-50 split (slightly more time at PF)? Anyways, for most big men…a big man is a big man is a big man. PF, C, doesn’t really matter.
by Missing Barry on Dec 14, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
true
I’d also take garnett as an elite big over bynum, but if i was starting a franchise no. Bynum is younger than Howard and I guess we won’t know how dominant he can be considering he has kobe along w/ gasol and odom rotating
its unfair they have so much talent at the 4/5
Yep, Bynum is definitely good, I’m not trying to dispute that at all. And pretty young with the potential to get a lot better. Right now, he’s not a dominant force or anything – just a good player on a really good team.
by Missing Barry on Dec 14, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
omg another kobe hater/lebron lover
not this again.
I'm not sure he's that off
I’d take LeBron over Kobe, but it’s definitely closer than he cares to admit.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 14, 2009 12:53 AM PST up reply actions
Seriously, someone try to make a case for Kobe. I’d like to see it. Go ahead and put some thought into it. Lebron is better at every single aspect of the game. Better scorer? Check. Better passer? Check. Better rebounder? Check. Better defender? Check. I’ll give you that he turns it over more than Kobe. That’s all you have.
by Missing Barry on Dec 14, 2009 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
yep, stat whore is here.
Better scorer? No..is this a joke?
Passer? No. Lebron makes his teammates into spot up shooters and handles the ball for most of the shotclock. Kobe is leading Lakers in assists and his assist numbers are way deflated due to the offense they run.
Better rebounder? Also no. Kobe is the best SG rebounder, Lebron is not the best SF rebounder.
Better defender? No. Kobe is one of the best on-ball defenders in NBA.
He’s not even a better help defender for christ sake. Sure he has some blocks (under 1, which is hardly impressive considering his athleticism and the way refs look at his blocks) and some steals, but help defense isn’t all about blocks and steals. Lebron doesn’t even guard Durant when Parker gets torched.
+Experience
+Clutch
+Better shooter
+Better post game
+Better FT shooter
After your posts I’m under impression that you started watching NBA about 2 years ago and by watching I mean watching ESPN highlights and eating up Hollinger’s bs.
After your posts I’m under impression that you started watching NBA about 2 years ago and by watching I mean watching ESPN highlights and eating up Hollinger’s bs.
Good for you, I’m sure if you searched the archives you could find plenty of instances where my basketball knowledge is pretty obvious. I’m convinced you graduated middle school two years ago and have never so much as sniffed a statistics class in your life. What’s your point?
Do you watch Kobe play? Sure, he’s a capable defender, and when he wants, one of the best in the league on the ball. When was the last time Kobe put in a consistent effort on D? Never? I don’t care how good you can be if you aren’t trying at it. Lebron on the other hand is a monster on D on the ball because of his athleticism. The Cavs were one of the best defensive teams in the year last year, and Lebron is a clear factor in that. Kobe, on the other hand, takes defense off. I’ve never seen a huge help D effort by him – at least Lebron blocks/alters shots in that regard.
Also, to get objective here – Lebron scores more, AND more efficiently than Kobe. Simply put, that makes him a better scorer. There is no argument against it. Kobe may be a better shooter – but at the end of the day, what matters when it comes to shooting is who’s more productive overall, and it’s a simple fact that Lebron is.
Lebron rebounds more, he racks up more assists. Also, before you go using “clutch” arguments, look up some evidence that backs up Kobe as a clutch player? He’s not actually a clutch player. That’s made up. I’m not sure where to find position by position rebounding rates, but what I can tell you is Lebron is a 6.5-7 rebounds per 36 minute player, Kobe a ~5.5 rebounds per 36 minute player. That favors Lebron. If you want to adjust it positionally, you also have to adjust assists, where Lebron almost doubles Kobes totals this year before that adjustment. Kobe is a better passer? Please. Simply put, your opinion is not based on reality. That has nothing to do with my viewership of ESPN (which for all you know, in non-existant?).
Kobe is leading Lakers in assists and his assist numbers are way deflated due to the offense they run.
Funny, that didn’t seem to affect Jordan. Also funny how, despite not having anyone else that racks up a lot of assists, Kobe’s numbers aren’t higher? You don’t even give a reason why his numbers would be deflated. And the only reason he leads the Lakers in assists with his meager rate is because they don’t have a worthwhile PG.
by Missing Barry on Dec 14, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He will be a viable starter in a year or two
He’s only 20….
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
also if that was our team
nellie would line us up more like CP3, monta, CJ, Morrow Lebron.
Love lebron mismatch at center leading the break.
first you think
we can lure CP3 to Golden State, and now you think we might be able to land Lebron? Oh boy..
This is Kristin Kreuk, now zip it. - GTTM
no it would probably be
cp3, monta, morrow, Lebron, Mikki Moore.
can’t forget nellie’s infatuation with Mikki Moore.
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"I could be chasing an untamed ornithoid without cause."
Who I would trade away for Chris Paul: Monta Ellis, Andris Biedrins, Don Nelson, 5 First Round Draft Picks, my soul, and $50 million in cold hard cash.
And if anybody in the Hornets’ front office had any sense in them, they would still reject that trade.
"We Deserve"
by YaHeard on Dec 14, 2009 12:12 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Here's how the trade would work if you are the Warriors
Tank the season get the number one pick and hopefully tanking the season means that Nelsons reign as coach is done and over with.
Fire every member of the Warriors coaching staff and bring in either Byron Scott or Avery Johnson as coach.
Trade the number one pick which will be John Wall, Stephen Curry, Brandan Wright, Andris Biedrins, and Corey Maggette for Chris Paul, Emeka Okafor and Darren Collison.
New Lineup for Warriors:
Paul-PG
Ellis-SG
SF-Azubuike
PF-Anthony Randolph
C-Emeka Okafor
um...
Why not just draft John Wall? Since he’s going to be the next CP3.
A Sonics fan without a team... but after 6 seasons now of GS Warriors season tickets have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.
Assuming that sarcasm will come across over the internet is never safe. It seems as often as not, it gets lost. Because there is so much inane foolishness out there that actually is serious, saying something jokingly stupid is as likely to be lumped in with the seriously stupid as it will be recognized as sarcastic.
.It’s just not a very good medium for sarcasm unless you expressly state that sarcasm is intended from the start. Otherwise, it’s difficult to tell who is invoking sarcasm and who honestly believes the only thing preventing the Warriors from having Chris Paul and Lebron together on their team is their stubborn refusal to part with Morrow and Mikki Moore in the deals.
by jae on Dec 14, 2009 7:20 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
it’s difficult to tell who is invoking sarcasm and who honestly believes the only thing preventing the Warriors from having Chris Paul and Lebron together on their team is their stubborn refusal to part with Morrow and Mikki Moore in the deals
Sadly with Warriors Management, I wouldn’t be able to tell. With smarter management I’d just assume it’s sarcasm, but with the Warriors, I could understand how someone honestly would believe. Warriors won’t trade Morrow for Lebron/CP3
sorry I just read the header and voted no
I know were really, really bad and we need a ray of hope but there is no way we are going to get one of the top 5 players in the league.
"If God made us in his image then he must be dumb too, and a little ugly on the side."
Frank Zappa
NO
We need to keep Curry, that way he can play shooting guard and Monta can play SF. When Azubuike comes back he can be our starting PF with Maggette backing him up, and when Lebron comes over, he can play C for us. SMALL BALL BABY! (I’m being sarcastic, but proposing ways for us to get Paul, and then possibly Lebron, is just, well, I won’t even say it.)
by Pearlsofwisdom on Dec 14, 2009 10:54 AM PST reply actions
Let’s put this in a little perspective.
1) You’re Jeff Bower… you’re getting ready for your game against Dallas. You get a call from Riley/Rowell/Nellie/whoever the hell — they offer you Monta, Biedrins, Randolph, Curry, Morrow and Speedy’s expiring contract for CP3 and three crappy contracts.
You know what your immediate answer is? (laugh) “No thanks.” (click)
2) You’re Riley/Rowell/Nellie/whoever the hell, preparing (hopefully) for your game in Philly. Jeff Bower calls and offers you the same deal — CP3 and three bad contracts for your five most promising young players and an expiring.
You know what your immediate answer is? “Holy crap, REALLY?! YES!!!!!!”
There is literally no trade netting us Chris Paul that is not great on our end and horrible on the Hornets’ end. We could throw in three first-round picks and it’d still be worthwhile. Biedrins is injury-prone, Morrow’s limited, Curry hasn’t been good and Monta has been secretly ineffective; the only young Warriors commodity who’s actually playing well is Randolph, and (fairly or not) nobody even trusts him to tie his shoes. Look, I love these guys. And I think they’re not being used to the best of their abilities; I think our coaching has been terrible and counterproductive on every level. But if these guys were actually all that — really good, fully developed, consistently available — they’d outweigh the bad coaching and we’d be doing decently well. We’re not. As things stand, our young guys are just not very good.
Chris Paul, on the other hand, is not only one of the three or four best players in the league, but already one of the best two or three point guards in league history. The best season any Warrior has had in the last fifteen years was probably Baron’s ‘07-’08. By any measurement you can find, Paul was almost twice as valuable as Baron that year; the gap between him and Baron was about as big as the gap between Baron and the corpse of Troy Hudson.
I’m not saying we shouldn’t ask. It’s not impossible that Chris Paul will get unhappy and want out, forcing them to trade him with little leverage. And in that unlikely event, it’s not altogether hand-on-a-Bible 100% mathematically impossible that we would somehow make the offer they like the most. But considering that other teams would offer people like Deron Williams without hesitation, it is really, really, really unlikely.
These lemons of ours are not likely to morph into lemonade; this chicken s*** will not easily become chicken salad. You are not going to turn the nucleus of a bad team into one of the best players of his generation. This is a dream we should probably shelve.
Ladies and gentlemen, your Golden State Worriers.
I like Williams, too, but….no. CP3 is amazing. Williams is just very good….
by Missing Barry on Dec 16, 2009 7:44 AM PST up reply actions
i rather have Dwill then [sic] cp3
Deron is a very good player. He’s not half the player that Paul is though.
That's okay...
If we get Dwill then cp3… well, then we would have them both and we could play whichever one was better. ; )
"I could be chasing an untamed ornithoid without cause."
by olympicmike on Dec 16, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions

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