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There was a little intrigue surrounding this battle of Eastern and Western Conference cellar dwellers. Would this be the game that the desperate Sixers broke their 12 game losing streak?  Would the short-handed and undersized Warriors have anything left in the tank for the fifth game of a long East-coast road trip?  And perhaps most intriguing, who would win the battle of lightning-bug scoring machines, the reigning title holder in that category, Allen Iverson, or the man many have called Iverson's successor, Monta Ellis?

Unfortunately, we got early and decisive answers to all of our questions, and they all came down in favor of The Answer, Allen Iverson, and his Philadelphia 76ers. 



Star-divide

The Sixers deserve a lot of credit for this win.  Their coach, Eddie Jordan, made a bold move by starting a quicker and smaller unit than usual.  He took Elton Brand out of the starting lineup, and put Thaddeus Young, normally a small forward, at power forward.  T-Young was the Warriors killer in this game. His quickness and athleticism ate up Vlad Rad, and made Mikki Moore look like the old man in the rec league.  He finished with 26 points and 14 rebounds, most coming in the first half.  Taking Brand's place in the starting lineup was rookie point guard and defensive specialist Jrue Holiday.  Holiday did a nice job hawking Monta, and his length appeared to bother Monta's jumper.  And yes, The Answer delivered: Iverson got an efficient 20 points on 10 shots.  Have you ever seen Allen Iverson play within a team concept, and take only what the defense was giving him?  It happened in this game, and may be the way of the future for the noticeably slower 34 year old legend.

But mostly, this game was about what the Warriors couldn't do. Perhaps exhausted in the last game of their long road trip, they simply didn't show up to compete.  Monta Ellis couldn't get anything going, shooting 3-15 from the field, many of his misses coming on open layups. But even if Monta had played well, it wouldn't have mattered in a game in which the Warriors simply surrendered the paint to the Sixers.  

Here's a couple of stats that tell the real story of this game:  The Warriors total number of rebounds, 26, was only one more than the number of offensive rebounds they gave up, 25. If you had tried to count the number of Sixers layups and dunks that resulted, you would have run out of fingers and toes. Overall, the Sixers outrebounded the Warriors 59-26.  Now that's a bloody massacre.  

Obviously, this was a game in which the Warriors greatly missed their injured big men, Andris Biedrins and Rony Turiaf. But even more obviously, they missed the comfort of their beds at home. As Coach Keith Smart memorably put it in his post-game interview, the road-weary Warriors played "like a horse trying to get back to the barn."

Sticking with Smart's barnyard theme, I'm going to initiate a new feature, that hopefully doesn't get too much use going forward. This is where I try to find some nice things about the Warriors' performance in a blowout loss. I'm calling it:

Lipstick on a Pig

I liked the play of two Warriors in this game:

Anthony Randolph:   The Warriors' version of Where's Waldo? showed up for this game, on a night when no one else did. Go figure. Here are the highlights:

  • Have you been looking for a clue as to why Randolph's playing time has been so sporadic in the last few games?  You may need to look no further than this: Randolph virtually never took a jumpshot in this game. He took the lumbering Dalembert to the rack again and again, finishing beautifully, and drawing fouls. Randolph took 11 free throws in this game.
  • After a slow start in which he again got burned by leaving his feet for pump-fakes, Randolph settled down and gave a solid defensive effort.  I think he got more than the 2 blocks he was credited in the box score.
  • He played under control at all times, even when leading the fast break.  Only 1 turnover.
  • Keith Smart praised Randolph after the game, and at the same time dropped a few more tea leaves to read for puzzled Randolph watchers.  Smart said that Randolph was "decisive," and "tried to compete at a high level." And "even with everything going on with him, he was ready to go."  A reference to the family emergency that took Randolph away from the team a few games ago?  

Devean George:  When George came in for Monta Ellis at 5:25 in the third, we knew the plug had been pulled. But surprisingly, George looked pretty darn good in his first extended action this season. He drained three threes, and really competed on the defensive end, helping turn a sickening 30 point blowout into a "respectable" 16 point blowout.  Keith Smart praised his professionalism after the game, and said he hoped it would serve as a lesson for his young players.

It will be interesting to see if the Warriors intend to give George real minutes on the front line going forward.  From the looks of this road trip, they may need him.


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This is a tough choice.  This would be the first Warrior Wonder of Devean George's career!  And will I ever get another chance to give it to him?  I gotta go with the young fella though: Mr. Anthony Randolph.  He needs our support.

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I don't need a clue as to why Randolph's PT has been sporadic

Because that implies management uses logic and reasoning to make decisions.

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by Free Zarko on Dec 14, 2009 10:07 PM PST reply actions  

What are you, 14 years old?

Do you ever have any constructive to say?

by IQofaWarrior on Dec 14, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I take offense to that, lol

But really, I want to hear the coaches explain their reasoning for benching him and playing Mikki and Vlad. Sell it to HBO as a new hit comedy.

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"

by dubzfan on Dec 14, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

The closest answer I can think of was something Keith Smart said a couple interviews back

Something about “always being able to go to the well” with Moore. I interpret that as saying that he knows what Moore is and is not capable of giving. In other words, consistency.

I think we all know Moore isn’t even close to being a starter normally, and he wasn’t penciled in to start or backup anyway. But there must be something consistent that Moore gives that Smart and the other players can work around. Maybe it’s consistently recognizing plays and settings screens or vocally calling out defensive positioning for the other players. Maybe it’s just his game mindset that Smart likes. And probably the same guesses go for Radman.

Smart’s been in the league for plenty of years. He’s been under Nellie’s guidance on how to be a coach at least since last season. There HAS to be some plausible reason why Smart goes for Moore/Radman over Randolph and/or Hunter. And you’re right. I wish we knew exactly what it is.

by IQofaWarrior on Dec 14, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions  

With the way the team is going so far, there is no reason we should not be giving a young player less playing time than a journey man center who’s future with the team probably will not extend after this year.
The Warriors are not a playoff team and the only solace we can take out of this season is we give our young players some valuable experience so next year they are better prepared to play.

by ajtrinc on Dec 14, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions  

preaching to the choir. he’s just stating reasons why it happens – they aren’t saying they agree with it.

by homer simpson on Dec 14, 2009 11:35 PM PST up reply actions  

What?

Mikki can’t even set a screen anymore. Recognize plays? He can’t even rotate on defense, vocal? Yelling OH YEAH after every dunk should not be considered vocal. I just don’t get it. We know were not in the playoff hunt, we know Mikki is here for one year and AR is in our future plans so why not prepare him?

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"

by dubzfan on Dec 14, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions  

preaching to the choir. you asked why Smart plays Vlad & Mikki. the reason is that he trusts them to follow the game plan and be where they are supposed to be on offense & defense. in Mikki’s case, Smart has known him for yrs and coached him in the d-league.

it’s something all coaches seem to do. see Phil with Fisher. Byron refused to play his young wing players over his vets and that got him fired (and coach/GM Jeff Bower has already proven that Scott should have been playing them). it’s foolish, but that’s how every almost every coach is.

yeah, everyone knows they aren’t in the playoff hunt. but most coaches aren’t willing to go that route until they are 100% eliminated b/c they don’t want to lose the players and subsequently their effort which could lead to a tailspin and eventual firing.

think about it. if you’re a coach and you know your team isn’t good – so you know there’s a chance you might get fired – so you’re going to try and eek out as many wins as possible – so who are you going to put in? guys you trust or guys who by the time they get good you will have already gotten you fired? that’s just the business of the NBA.

by homer simpson on Dec 14, 2009 11:54 PM PST up reply actions  

You sir along with IQofaW understand better than most...

Why Smart might b doing what he is doing…unfortunately…while it may be consistent we are never going to set the floor on fire if te coach cannot change it up a gear at random moments…

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by BritWarriorGSW on Dec 15, 2009 3:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Still don't get the logic.

At some point, to develop your younger players, a coach has to give them meaningful minutes and suffer through the growing pains in order to develop the player.
If you are a team with a decent shot at making the playoffs, then you have every right to play your veterans over your younger guys, but the Warriors are not that team and the coaches would be better judged by the development of their players than by the number of wins they can get out of a non-playoff team.

by ajtrinc on Dec 16, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

We’re not going to the playoffs. Maybe we’re just tanking somewhat, so we can get one more youngster.

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by Naticus2 on Dec 15, 2009 1:38 AM PST up reply actions  

a preference for consistent, predictable mediocrity

in the form of Moore could be simply explained by Smart’s mental/emotional laziness—it has to be more demanding to observe and monitor the volatile, mercurial Randolph, let alone try to help him improve; with Moore, improving him is virtually ruled out. Moore also admitted recently he took a while to learn to anticipate Ellis better and not get in the way (not a great endorsement for the floor leader), and it seemed that Hunter got into the offensive flow better when Curry was the lead guard on the floor; favoring Moore might be compatible with using Ellis rather than Curry as the initiator on offense.

by the.monk on Dec 14, 2009 11:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Why does everyone think that improvement takes place during games? I think practice also helps, as well as watching video and teaching moments. Call me crazy.

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by Naticus2 on Dec 15, 2009 1:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

+1

It is clear to anyone that bothers to watch the game properly rather than whining like a little kid about why their hero is not playing, is that Monta and obviously some of his other teamates as well as the coach have an issue with Randolph right now.

The guy is simply not getting to parts of the floor where he needs to be or more importantly is TOLD to be…. and Monta’s public ripping of Randolph last night is the clear frustration with a guy who is in his second year of the NBA, yet still is only 20 years old.

As Monta stated….this is a league for Men….not cry babies and it is clear, that a certain youngster is dong a lot of whining trying to justify what he is doing, when what he should be doing is shutting his mouth and listening to where he is meant to be and god damn being there…..

Less lip…. more listening and shock and wonder….Randolph will suddenly start playing as he did at the end of last year, but with the greater skills he has learned and will become a frighteningly good PF, maybe even a very tall and awkward to defend 3 at times…

In the meantime…if Randolph does not learn to LISTEN, he might very well be the trade piece we need to unload Magettes contract…..

But then again….maybe Mr Randolph already thinks he is ‘better’ than this team and has a dose of ‘Jacksonitus’??

I personally truly hope that Randolph learns to listen and to simply play where he is asked to be and to practice hard on the plays and being where he is asked to be as he really is a great talent in the making….but I personally do not want to see him running amok….destroying the rest of the teams play, just so that HE can get minutes and learn through trial and error, costing us in the process…

I have been saying it for a while though…I REALLY want to see this unit on the floor:
Ellis
Morrow
Mags/Radman
Hunter
Randolph

Why? Hunter can dominate the centre and set pick and rolls, he has proven he can do this… I think he is just as capable to follow order as Moore, only bigger and more effective..

Randolph if not being the trusted one to cover the middle, works best when there is slightly less pressure on him to set the pick and rolls for Ellis and co…

Mag’s I think now probably over Vlad for the penetration threat if the other team ignores him…

Morrow to constantly hang around the 3 point line…. he is such a danger when open….

and Ellis to drive, and then kick the ball to the open man if he gets double teamed, if not he simply scores….

That line-up is about the best of what we have currently fit….SO GOD DAMN PLAY IT COACHES!!!!! :D

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by BritWarriorGSW on Dec 15, 2009 3:34 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Monta’s public ripping of Randolph last night is the clear frustration with a guy

Do you remember when this happened last night? I think I missed it live.

by IQofaWarrior on Dec 15, 2009 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah...

Monta yelled at AR on the bench during a TO – Smart alluded to it in the postgame; something about:
in the second half we had guys out there competing together not pointing fingers

Maybe a jab at Monta – since AR was still in the game.

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by triplesix on Dec 15, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Eh, it couldn’t have been that big of a deal. There were all of like 5 people there, and I didn’t hear it. You could hear a freaking pin drop on the other side of the arena during timeouts last night. :)

by Missing Barry on Dec 15, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

well..

Smart seemed to allude to it in the post game so maybe it bothered him.

You know maybe Smart is beginning to experience what Nellie said earlier this year – “this team is proving very difficult to coach”.

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by triplesix on Dec 15, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Moore literally gives nothing. You gotta go to a game to really see it on full display, there isn’t a single positive thing he does on the floor. After watching him in person, he’s even worse than I could have possibly imagined from just watching him on TV. That’s bad coaching and management to play him over any other player. He probably needs PT just because we’re that thin/injured at the moment, but he should be the last player off the bench.

by Missing Barry on Dec 15, 2009 7:31 AM PST up reply actions  

kidding?

don’t think Randolph would respond to public criticism well

by gobigg415 on Dec 15, 2009 4:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Amen to that.....

+1

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by BritWarriorGSW on Dec 15, 2009 3:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice

That’s only a five-game regression!

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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 14, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions  

lol.

thought the object of the game was to get better, not worse. guess the W’s didn’t get that memo.

by Jagz8 on Dec 14, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Brand's post game quote

“When you look around at other teams, yeah,” Brand said. “It’s like, no disrespect, but [Golden State’s] Mikki Moore gets the start and I don’t. Not that he’s not a good player, but, definitely.”

Hilarious!

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by Free Zarko on Dec 14, 2009 11:03 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Everyone knows are best two centers are injured. I suspect a lot of people think we’re losing due to that. We all know it’s really because we suck. heh heh

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by Naticus2 on Dec 15, 2009 1:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I must have missed the part where he then asks to be traded to GSW...

To get those starting minutes…. Dont you think we would be playing Brand over Moore if we had him….???? Way to go to state the blindingly obvious.

"Better a Has-been than a Never-was. But better a Never-was than a Never-tried-to-be"

by BritWarriorGSW on Dec 15, 2009 3:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Funnier part is Brand turned down our offer when he was a free agent, and I think we were even offering more money than Philly…

by Missing Barry on Dec 15, 2009 7:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Anyone else dumbfounded by the start of the 2nd half

Why was Mikki Moore starting, when Randolph put on a magnificent display during his time in ending the first half? Mikki Moore got destroyed the first half, and continued to get even more destroyed the second half.

This coaching move just made NO SENSE.

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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 14, 2009 11:40 PM PST reply actions  

Maggette had one of the Maggettiest games you’ll ever see — he scored 24 points on eight shots, and yet it was just horrifying to watch. I sort of love Maggette. He is pretty good in a way that makes basketball excruciating. Randolph was good, the Devean George cameo was amusing… otherwise, dang.

It’s worth noting how historically bad our rebounding performance was tonight. This was just the 24th time since the start of the ‘86-’87 season that a team has been outrebounded by 33 or more. And the Sixers suck at rebounding! They were the eighth-worst rebounding team in basketball coming into tonight, and they more than doubled us up on the glass.

Not much to say. You can chalk it up to the end of a long road trip, but really, this whole friggin’ franchise is one long road trip. Grim, grim stuff.

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by onlxn on Dec 15, 2009 12:11 AM PST reply actions  

I felt like Smart’s coaching performance was oddly… irrelevant? Invisible? I’m not sure of the word. He didn’t do anything affirmatively well, and started Mikki and Vlad, so I guess I’d have to say that he failed. On the other hand, the starting lineup obviously wasn’t going to change with Nellie on the verge of coming back, and the substitions made a certain kind of rote sense. A stupid amount of smallball, but nothing worse than what we’ve been seeing, and Randolph got long runs when he came in.

So, yeah, I dunno. I’d still rather have Smart be our coach than Nellie, but I’d rather have most people in this world be our coach than Nellie. And while a lot of what Smart has done has probably been just following orders, there sure haven’t been many signs that he’s got some really good ideas waiting to come out. He has a nice energy on the sideline and in interviews, and seems like a perfectly fine, pleasant figure to interim a bad young team to the end of a season. Beyond that, I’m not at all convinced that he brings much to the table. Will be interesting to see how he coaches, if and when he takes the rein of a team.

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by onlxn on Dec 15, 2009 3:04 AM PST up reply actions  

basically, Bob Lanier. and it begins again. (not advocating Nellie staying – just that this is the path of Cohan/Rowell).

by homer simpson on Dec 15, 2009 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Ha
I sort of love Maggette. He is pretty good in a way that makes basketball excruciating.

Great quote. That pretty much nails the way I feel about him. I can really appreciate his game… I just don’t want to watch it.

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by olympicmike on Dec 15, 2009 12:37 AM PST up reply actions  

A sad day for me as a W's fan...

This is the first stretch that I can remember that I’m finding this team nearly unwatchable. I was always able to find entertainment value from the Warriors, even during all the really rough years, but I’m having a very hard time finding a reason to turn the games on.

Why? Honestly, I think it’s the frontcourt. I have a very hard time watching Mikki, Vlad and Maggette play. I really miss watching Andris and Turiaf, but in the meantime I’d love to see steady minutes for Randolph. I just don’t see the value in playing Mikki, Vlad and Maggs ahead of AR at PF and center. I know this has been something of a hot topic lately, and I’m not breaking any news here, but I’m actually surprised that it getting to the point where it’s effecting my ability to enjoy watching the team (yes, I have pretty low expectations when it comes to being entertained by this team).

Sigh…

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by olympicmike on Dec 15, 2009 12:47 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I’m optimistic that Randolph is going to come around this year. He did last year and is starting to have some very good games. He may well put a string of good games together that will get him the starting spot again.

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by Naticus2 on Dec 15, 2009 1:43 AM PST up reply actions  

To me it seems to come down to this...

Nellie and Smart clearly only like to play one ‘tall’ guy on the court at any one time and so Randolph is often being put in at Centre, which he simply is not a centre…. As a centre you HAVE to listen to what the coaches want you to do and be the integral part of pick and rolls for the players like Ellis, Morrow, Curry…

Randolph is simply not composed enough YET, to ensure that first and foremost he does exactly what is asked of him…it seems his focus is more on scoring points rather than where he should be on the floor at any given time.

The Ironic thing is…. if he actually listened and did get to where he needed to be…his scoring would become even more prolific!!!!

In short the coaches just cannot trust him to be where they want him to be right now….which is a truly great shame as everyone recognises what a great potential talent he really is.

As I said above….I would far rather see Hunter and Randolph playing on court at the same time to see if by giving the centre responsibility to Hunter, it free’s us up more to play ‘Moore’ less…if you see what I mean…

Randolph is clearly a player that likes the freedom to free range a bit, performing the centre duties forces him to do things he clearly does not want to be doing and it is showing by his attitude and te responses he gains from his teamates….I have to say…it is also showing me personally actually how good Andris is at the Centre position…and I actually have even more respect for his game now as he truly knows how to play the centre position in the RunNGun style offence.

I believe Randolph is a fraction…..just a fraction from getting the light bulb to go on in his head….but in order to do this… he needs a MENTOR……MENTOR…MENTOR…MENTOR… and clearly Turner and Roth just are not getting through the kid…so it is time to bring in someone new on the coaching staff to PURELY work with Randolph….

But then that would require an owner that actually has an interest in this team and a President who is not sitting with his thumb up his a$$ while the franchise implodes yet again…..

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by BritWarriorGSW on Dec 15, 2009 3:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Why?

Why the hell do Don Nelson and Keith Smart still have their jobs. I cannot see the point of having Vlad, Mikki Moore, and Morrow in the lineup. I think our best lineup would consist of:

PG – S. Curry
SG – M. Ellis
SF – C. Maggette
PF – A. Randolph
C – A. Biedrins (when healthy)

I really think this lineup has a lot of potential. Maggette can get to the line as good as anyone and Curry and Randolph can develop and only improve. Biedrins is one of the best young centers when he plays and Monta speaks for himself. Can anyone please explain why this lineup isn’t utilized?

Our first bench would consist of:

PG – C.J. Watson
SG – A. Morrow
SF – Vlad
PF – R. Turiaf
C – Mikki Moore

That isn’t a very strong bench, but I think Morrow and Turiaf can provide some good minutes. I sware I think we can be a much better team than our record shows if we make this simple lineup change!

by warriornation23 on Dec 15, 2009 1:36 AM PST reply actions  

Putting Mikki Moore at center, when we have Turiaf? I don’t know about that. I would use Turiaf as a backup for both Biedrins and Randolph with a little Vlad or Mikki thrown in at times, if needed. For example, whoever gets in foul trouble first, Turiaf comes in for. So one plays the whole first quarter, the other gets a break with Turiaf in. The next quarter, you start AR and AB again and let the other rest with Turiaf in. Of course, serious foul trouble occurs, you put in Vlad or Mikki. I would definitely put Vlad in before I’d put in Mikki. Personally, I rather like Vlad as a backup PF. He works as both backup PF and SF. We really don’t need to play Mikki at all, as long as AR, AB, Turiaf and Vlad are all healthy. Some day, BW will be back, too XD.

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by Naticus2 on Dec 15, 2009 1:48 AM PST up reply actions  

YMCA game last night...

Anybody else notice how quite it was during the game last night?? There couldnt have been more than 2000-3000 people at that game last night. You could hear every made bucket and brick like you were at a High School game. No crowd noise at all. You could even hear the players talking to eachother like you were sitting front row. Just weird never experienced that before while watching a game. Seemed like a bunch of guys playing ball at the YMCA or something. I guess thats what you get when two bottom of the league teams play eachother. Just goes to show how good Warriors fans are because even when our team stinks we still show up to almost every game. Dont know if thats a good or bad thing though…

God Willing...

by RunTMCfan on Dec 15, 2009 6:23 AM PST reply actions  

Last night was the worst sporting event I have ever attended in my life

And it’s not even close. It wasn’t even fun. It was the most pathetic attempt at entertainment I’ve ever seen out of a sport, professional or otherwise. Girls 4th grade CYO games are filled with more intensity and excitement. From the opening tip, both teams played like it was just a casual pickup game – no defensive intensity whatsoever, no signs the players really cared (like an sort of emotional outburst, positive or negative)…for the Sixers, I can understand, as they were easily in control all game long. For the Warriors, well, it was sad.

More importantly though, the fans. There honestly weren’t more than 5,000 fans in attendance. The upper deck was almost completely abandoned. At least a third of the lower deck was empty. I bought face value $170 tickets for $29 the day before the game in the club level, and our club box was almost empty. Some dudes were sitting in our seats so we just sat a few seats down, everyone had a seat in between other groups as a buffer so you didn’t have to sit next to anyone. There was no noise at all, at no point did anyone in the crowd show any interest in the game other than a couple of 9 year old kids behind me. The atmosphere would have been better if I was alone in my room with a beer watching on TV. Every single aspect of it sucked. As I said, my ticket was only $29, and it might be the only chance I have to see the Warriors in person this season, and the money ISN’T going into Cohan’s pockets, and I still feel like I wasted $35 (after stupid stubhub fees). Honestly, the Sixers should just be contracted if that’s what it’s going to be like – hey , we could use some of their players. I’m planning on going to Sixers-Cavs tomorrow so we’ll see if a marquee matchup changes the atmosphere at all.

Now – on to some actual game analysis. I don’t know why Mikki Moore plays over Randolph. I don’t care to speculate why, as I said, I don’t know. What I can tell you is Mikki Moore does not provide anything of value. Watching him play basketball in person is the most painful thing I’ve ever done. He gets manhandled on rebounds that come to him. He doesn’t track rebounds down that don’t, heck, he doesn’t even try to go after them. He doesn’t play defense. His footwork is the most god awful thing I’ve ever seen. There was one play he got switched onto Young. Now, it took me all of 5 minutes to figure out THADDEUS YOUNG IS GOING LEFT. EVERY. TIME.

So Mikki Moore is guarding him, he’s a little to Young’s right side, which is fine as long as Moore has his right foot back so he can slide back with Young when he goes left. Not ideal since Young is quick enough to get the corner, and long enough to get a shot off if he doesn’t, but still a stance that gives him a chance. Young gives him a jab, and returns to triple threat position. At this point Mikki Moore brings his right foot forward and sticks it in between Young’s feet. He is no longer in position to do anything against Young. In a vacuum, you don’t want your right foot forward against Young because HE’S GOING LEFT and the offensive player wants to attack your front foot. But aside from that, Moore was on Young’s right side with his front foot forward. He might as well lay a red carpet down to the basket down for Young. He literally could have accomplished the exact same thing by just walking off the court at that moment. It was horrendous. Young went left and scored. Surprised? No, neither was I.

So that gets back to….Mikki Moore gets PT over Anthony Randolph. What I can tell you for a fact is in the 16 minutes Moore played (mostly to start the game), Mikki Moore hit 4 jumpers (good Mikki), grabbed 3 rebounds (god awful), and that was basically the only thing he did. In 16 minutes. Randolph played most of his minutes during garbage time in the 2nd half when the game was over, and while he didn’t rebound well, he was aggressive offensively, he affected a number of shots on defense, D’ed Young up solidly a number of times (Young did play a good game)….Anthony Randolph is simply a much, much better basketball player, right now, than Mikki Moore. I don’t care why the coaching staff starts Moore, I care that the coaching staff isn’t doing what they need to for us to win games, and that’s playing Randolph more often. There is absolutely no excuse. Not recognizing how worthless Mikki is reflects poorly on the coaching staff, and is a very strong point why they need to be fired. Last night firmly put me into the “fire everyone on the coaching staff, right now, no excuses” camp, which I was not in before.

Other observations:
- VladRad is pretty worthless, too. Not gonna get into the details I got in with Moore, and when he’s shooting he at least provides that, but he just doesn’t do anything of value on the court (other than shooting, when he does that). He’s just there.
- After Monta shot the ball, he was the last guy back down the court a bunch of times. He was starting under the hoop, so you’d expect him to trail the play, of course, but it wasn’t just that was he was the last one back. It was that he was basically slowly jogging back when he was 20 feet behind the other teams C, who also started under the hoop. It was good to get him some rest, though, he’s been playing too many minutes lately.
- Maggette – Maggette being Maggette. At one point he took the ball in two hands on his way to the basket and just smacked his guy with his arms/forearms/ball. Foul on the defense of course. Dude is an animal at getting to the line, and FT’s are the best shot in basketball. That 3 pointer he took when he got fouled was a savvy veteran move.
- Sixers didn’t play particularly well (though they didn’t play poorly by any stretch), the Warriors really were that bad.
- I hate Devean George. That said, he did some things that show he actually knows how to play a little basketball, unlike….Mikki Moore. Rotated on D, got his hands in the passing lane a couple of times on his rotations…watching him do these things made it painfully obvious how little the rest of our team does it effectively. Hopefully it was just last night, but I suspect that’s not the case. It’s so much easier to see this sort of thing live than on tv.
- CJ Watson is a terrible defensive player, on and off the ball. He’s also not a PG. Needs to look for his shot, though, cause he can knock it down.
- Curry is pretty bad on D overall, but he shows flashes of potential that make me think he can be solid. Every once in a while you see him anticipate well and get in a passnig lane or really read the defender and D him up and completely shut down what they’re trying to do. Most times this isn’t the case, though. Still waiting for his shot to show up. Makes some pretty bad passes at times.
- Chris Hunter is not very good, however, he’s at least a little more than a body on the floor (which is what Moore is). He contested a few shots and showed the ability to at least stick with guys sometimes, but other than that, he really didn’t do anything. Lots of 0’s across the board on his box score.

Man, I could have made that it’s own fanpost. :)

by Missing Barry on Dec 15, 2009 8:05 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I forgot the Warriors were even playing last night

So missed the entire game. The sad thing is, I’m not even sorry I did. The Warriors are hard to watch right now, what with uninspiring lineup combinations and coaching choices, stupid decisions by players on the floor, and lackluster effort all round. Even on the road, getting blown out by one of the worst teams in the league is an embarrassment.

Up and down our roster, we’re not very good. Ellis is our best player but even he has serious weaknesses—his turnovers, for example. Curry looks like he will develop into a good player, and at least he’s getting playing time. He’s a plus on our roster, long term.. AR is physically weak and extremely left-handed—he’s not strong enough to create his shot nor is he a good outside shooter. It’s nice that he has open court handles, but they’re not good enough for him to consistently take anyone off the dribble, let alone get through his man and a help defender on the way to the bucket. He needs a lot of work to improve to the level of a quality NBA starter, and I haven’t seen evidence of him putting in this work. The rest of our squad are pretty one-dimensional. AB is an average NBA center (which in this lineup, is a plus). AM is a shooter who can’t create his own shot. Maggs is good at getting to the foul line. CJ Watson is a scorer but not a distributor. Radmanovic is a backup shooter who seems very uncomfortable in the Warriors up-and-down style.

I agree with Missing Barry’s assessment of Chris Hunter, but what Hunter could give us right now is strength. He’s a big guy who’s hard to push around. Aside from Maggette (when he’s playing the 3 like he should, at least), you can’t say that about many of our guys who are healthy. When other teams can push you around, they get more confident, and when they’re confident, they play better. No one has to even worry about taking a hard foul from the Warriors right now.

I would play a bigger lineup and focus on moving without the ball on offense and playing a true team defense, but we still wouldn’t be a very good team. Just not as awful as we are playing right now. That’s what I’m hoping for in this season: less awfulness. Let’s go, Warriors!?

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by worldblee on Dec 15, 2009 9:25 AM PST reply actions  

I will say, Randolph had a few drives last night that looked like he really isn’t that far away from being able to consistently create his own shot. His handles aren’t good in the open court – but that’s a pretty lofty standard for a 4, they look good enough to me to take big men to the rim. With Randolph’s length and athleticism, he’s not far away from being able to do that consistently. His problem is finishing. He goes in soft. Like one of his layups that got blocked last night – he could have dunked it and instead flipped it up and it got swatted away.

I also agree while Hunter isn’t much, he does need to play. Our other big men options are Moore, Randolph, Maggette and Radmanovic. Moore is awful – Hunter is better than he is. Radmanovic…eh, they’re fairly comparable. Maggette is the best player of the bunch but he’s a wing playing out of position. So there are definitely more than 6 minutes in there for Hunter, for the time being….

by Missing Barry on Dec 15, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

My first game

I haven’t been able to watch a full Warriors game in weeks and then I get this. The only good thing about it was that I was able to watch the team with somewhat fresh eyes. I mean, I lurk a lot on this board and I know what everyone thinks of certain players, but apart from the conventional wisdom, I came to the conclusion based on the small sample of one game that most of our players don’t belong in the NBA, our brightest lights (Monta, Randolph, Morrow, and Curry) are never going to be stars, and that our best player is Devean George.

by Ormolov on Dec 15, 2009 11:29 AM PST reply actions  

Would this be the game that the desperate Sixers broke their 12 game losing streak?

If you have been following the GSW for any length of time this question would be rhetorical.

John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

by triplesix on Dec 15, 2009 2:36 PM PST reply actions  

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