Why even support the Warriors anymore?
by 9ersDubsGiantSharks on Dec 16, 2009 4:39 PM PST
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PrintDue to the recent rumors about anyone on the Warriors roster open to trade, why support this team? Yeah we all love the dubs, I love the dubs, we love the players. This ownership is straight up retarded. Who is our franchise player? It was supposed to be Monta, Curry, or Randolph. But those 3 guys have been labeled as guys who can be traded at any point in this season. We have far better talent the Kings(better record) and other mediocre teams that play better but our organization is utterly deficient and unreliable.
Why would we WANT to trade Randolph? He puts up good numbers in only 22 minutes per game. Imagine if he played about 30 or more minutes(see the fanshot on AR4 not minding the trade). Yeah he has his times where he looks absolutely lost, but it's called growing pains. LeBron had it, Kobe had it(not comparing him to them but it's just a path on the way to stardom and greatness). This organization is terrible, no wonder we're labeled the worst team of the decade, we deserve it(we meaning the organization).
Why would we want to trade Monta, Curry, or Morrow? Monta ellis is back, he's starting to play well and looks like a franchise player. But he is also labeled as"tradeable". Stephen Curry, I like the guy and yeah he's having problems, but he's a rookie, and he'll only gradually get better. I don't want more trades like the ones for bellinelli or crawford. Yeah we're bad but why can't we experience a couple wins. The same with Morrow, he's a lights out shooter and will only get better with his all around game.
I'd be fine with equal value trades for someone like Gerald Wallace, but the untouchable should remain as Monta, Curry, Randolph, Morrow. Sometimes yeah it seems reallly hard to support the Warriors, i don't blame the players anymore.
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The backlash will floor this franchise if they trade away the young guys,,,,,this is worse than the nightmare on ELM Street !!!
Why even support the Warriors anymore?
because I’m a real fan.
by Cpt. Jack in the Box on Dec 16, 2009 4:53 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Loyalty
That’s what’s up.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 16, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
And Cohan is $miling
He make$ love to Loyalty
by buky on Dec 16, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
I've got to agree.
Cohan has played us all for fools.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
For anyone that knows their Dickens.....
I am convinced Cohan is the reincarnation of this guy….
With a mantra of “You got to pick a pocket or two boys……you gotta pick a pocket or two!”
Cohan…Fagin…..Fagin….Cohan…..whats the difference!
"Better a Has-been than a Never-was. But better a Never-was than a Never-tried-to-be"
by BritWarriorGSW on Dec 17, 2009 4:38 AM PST up reply actions
Wow, which version is that?
"If God made us in his image then he must be dumb too, and a little ugly on the side."
Frank Zappa
hahahahaha Oliver Twist in the house!!
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
Real fans don’t let their ownership drag the team into the mud.
In fact, I find that statement very suspect.
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
by cybermaldonado on Dec 17, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
+1
we need to put up a billboard next to the raiders’ one. “Mr. Ellison, do the right thing. Please BUY US.”
This is like.....
Ooooooh…I’m a patriot, I support everything my government says and does, no matter what!
Which is ridiculous, you can’t confuse patriotism with morality.
Just like I can’t support a franchise that attempts to misrepresent it’s intentions and fools the people into buying tickets and merchandise with false promises and maybes. I for one feel that they do this intentionally, so I won’t support them anymore. I support the players, but they’re not getting $1 from me. Everyone can make their own minds up, but I’m no less of a fan than anyone for it.
by esco41510 on Dec 16, 2009 5:06 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
Same here man, I haven’t bought Warriors tickets or gear the last 2 years and I will not buy either until there is a change in who owns this organization.
The actions of everyone from the owner to the coach have completely turned me off to this franchise. If you had a business and ran it anything like the Dubs are ran you would be out of business in a heartbeat.
The Dubs are like the bad boy we can’t let go of because we want to change them and make everything right. So we’re like the hot girlfriend who everyone knows is getting played and taken advantage of and we’re so into the Dubs that we turn a blind eye to everything bad because we think it will change when everyone else knows we’re just delusional.
The only way the Warriors change is if they start losing money. What other franchise has lost as consistently as the Dubs and still continue to make money? It’s ridiculous if you think about it, we’ve supported this franchise for so long and in return we get higher prices and teams that are nothing but mediocre at best.
Horrible comparison
You mocked patriots who support everything the government says and does. I agree that this would be stupid. It would also be stupid to blindly support anything the warriors say or do. But I dont need to support all their decisions to support the franchise. I will always remain faithful. The true fan is the one that doesn’t give up on their team through anything. Don’t expect to claim to be a loyal fan when the team comes back with some good years. That is the definition of a bandwagon fan. only supporting through the good, and not sticking with the team in the times of the bad.
by theLastLoyalWarriorsFan on Dec 26, 2009 2:57 AM PST up reply actions
Why do we support the Warriors?
With apologies to Woody Allen…
I thought of that old joke, you know, this guy goes to a psychiatrist and says, ‘Doc, uh, my brother’s crazy, he thinks he’s a chicken,’ and the doctor says, ‘well why don’t you turn him in?’ And the guy says, ‘I would, but I need the eggs.’
Well, I guess that’s pretty much now how I feel about [supporting the Warriors]. You know, it’s totally irrational and crazy and absurd and, but uh, I guess we keep going through it…because…most of us need the eggs.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 16, 2009 5:23 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Fan Post
This is quite funny, I just made a post calling for Nelson to step down because of the current situation and I see it was removed from the fan post…It wasn’t constructive enough ….
The ironic thing is that is the most constructive thing that should be done right now, GET A NEW COACH……THE TEAM IS IN ANOTHER MELTDOWN…
I like Don up to a point, but the time has come for him to move on…We are sinking….there talking of trading away the young players now…there in panic mode…this is the same old story…..
Don Nelson needs to help the team by stepping down, and letting a healing process begin., get rid of all the drama…get a new face on this team…were the laughing stock of the entire league for goodness sake….
Here was my fan-post....."The Time has come the Walrus said for Don to hit the Road"
All good things must come to an end, and right now it should be byby Don, he has outdone himself again with the third team that has blown up under his tenor….
I’m not going into details, but he was at the helm when Run TMC was broken up when Don traded away Mitch for Bill Owens…nuff said
He was at the helm when the team blew up and we seen a complete meltdown in the CWEBB era…it took longer than a decade to rebuild…nuff said..
He was at the helm when the "We Believe" team was dismantled….nuff said…
And now he’s at the helm again while this team is in meltdown…the laughing stock of the league and most poorly run franchise in professional sports….nuff said…
Nelson has to go along with Riley, If we don’t get a blood transfusion we’re all going to die, We need to make a change RIGHT NOW…. Were slowly melting like the wicked witch in OZ and we need the Wizard to lead back to Kansas…Don’t look now but we lost our caboose and the train is derailing heading into the pitch black tunnel with no light at the end:
TIME FOR A CHANGE….PUT A FORK IN IT, NELLIE BALL IS OFFICALLY OVER, YOU HEARD IT FIRST RIGHT HERE…
Mostly agree with this, though I think I would spare Riley from the skewer. To me, he’s the only member of the Warriors brass who seems consistently smart, rational, humble, and aware of his responsibilities. And so far, his track record is pretty spotless, or at least “incomplete” till we see what he can do with our surfeit of “pretty good” players and our big pile of expiring contracts…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 16, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions
If what Stein wrote was true,
Sounds like Rowell is in Riley’s ear more than Nellie. I don’t know what’s worse, Nellie irrational infatuation with acquiring players for his gimmick, or Rowell wanting to “impress” the fans by acquiring whatever talent is available.
Does everyone think it’s Nellie whispering into Riley’s ear, “trade Randolph…trade Randolph” or is it Rowell now? I’m not so sure anymore.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
I mean Steinmentz. lol.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
Mostly agree with this, though I think I would spare Riley from the skewe
It does look like the jury’s still out on Riley, he is distancing himself from Nelson either by his own choice or actually by Nelson himself trying to protect him…
We don’t know what his long term plan is exactly but we do see him trying to clear cap space with the possibility he may be trying to make a major move of some kind…that remains to be seen…
To grade him up to date you have to take into account his big man acquisition that he said he was going to make and that man was MM, he said he was waiting for the right big for the right price and he passed on Gooden who wanted to be here and signed Moore,
Grade-F
He also traded away Jackson for Rad and Raja knowing that Bell had a possibile season ending injury…
Grade-F , with the understanding we were in a bind..
He gave away Marco for expiring contracts and did not improve the team whatsoedver as Maco was an expiring also..
Grade-F
He traded Crawford for Claxten and Ace who was included in the CHA trade which did nothing to improve the team
Grade D-
As far as the draft he gets a good mark for drafting Curry…..and the jury is still out on Curry, but from what I see I think it could of been an A…will have to wait and see…
None of those trades was close to an F.
Help me out here, what grade do you give him for the big free agent signing of MM?
Or the the Crawford for Ace/Speedy trade?
What for Marco for George?
Rad for Jack?
Explain to me how these were great deals for the W’s and how there helping us win games right now? we’re on the verge of a meltdown and did not improve our roster with one single move? If it was for the future how is that helping is not disintegrate now ? a GM’s job is to make the right moves that build up the team and not allow it to implode?
Not one move Riley has made has helped this team so far….were bottom feeders only a couple of years after We Believe…
Wake up and smell the arsenic…
LOL
You are pretty wrong on every single point.
Jackson for Raja + Rad: Probably the best trade we were going to get for a disgruntled, old, overpayed player. We got a contract that expires next year, and one the year after. Raja is a player that we will likely resign, as he is a great vet to have and one of the best defenders in the league (his 3 point shot isn’t bad at all either).
Marco for George: Marco is not good. George is not good. But we did get some money out of this deal and I think that’s what it really came down to. We are overstocked on guards, so it really makes no difference on our depth chart.
Crawford for Claxton + Acie: This was probably one of the best trades we made. We got rid of a very overpaid long contract. We are already heavy on guards, and we ended up getting two nice expiring contracts, one of which helped us get rid of Jackson.
Drafting Curry: We drafted based on BPA. I think literally any team in our position would have done the exact same thing, and would have been called stupid if they didn’t (at the time). We can always speculate in hindsight, but that’s really not fair.
Either way, basically all the moves we have made have been positive. If we can make a Crawford type move for Maggs (get some more expiring contracts) we would be in an ideal situation for this coming off season. We definitely need to make a move for a big name guy and actually use these expiring contracts…until then I will say we are doing the right thing. BUT if we don’t end up using the expiring contracts (other than Raja, I hope we re sign him), then I will agree that none of the moves were useful.
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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 18, 2009 3:18 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Marco for George: Marco is not good. George is not good. But we did get some money out of this deal and I think that’s what it really came down to. We are overstocked on guards, so it really makes no difference on our depth chart.
I was initially very upset with this trade, because the idea of downgrading our talent to put money in Cohan’s pocket is exactly the type of thing that signals our ownership is out to sabotage the team like usual. In the end, I admitted it was really just inconsequential. Sadly….it doesn’t look so inconsequential anymore. With all the injuries we’ve had, we could actually use Belinelli right now….
by Missing Barry on Dec 18, 2009 7:47 AM PST up reply actions
Marco this season:
.544 TS%
2.3 reb/36
2.7 ast/36 (what was that about his PG skills?)
-2.2 plusminus
Meh. Setting aside the fact that no one could have foreseen the simultaneous fall of Kelenna and departure of Jack — how does Marco deserve minutes over Monta, Curry, CJ, and Morrow?
Let him enjoy his time in Canada with his buddy Bargs till he falls out of favor and ends up in the Euroleague.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 18, 2009 8:08 AM PST up reply actions
It’s not that he deserves minutes over someone like Monta as much as I’d like to see Monta not playing 60 minutes a game…
There are definitely spare minutes for Belinelli, even behind all of them, right now…
by Missing Barry on Dec 18, 2009 8:23 AM PST up reply actions
Jackson for Raja + Rad: Probably the best trade we were going to get for a disgruntled, old, overpayed player. We got a contract that expires next year, and one the year after. Raja is a player that we will likely resign, as he is a great vet to have and one of the best defenders in the league (his 3 point shot isn’t bad at all either).
I can’t count Raja because we took him knowing his injury was most likely season ending, and if we didn’t know what kind of fools are we? So were really talking about Rad for Jack and that gets an F..I understand Jack was smothering us but still it’s a bad deal…no excuses…
Marco for George: Marco is not good. George is not good. But we did get some money out of this deal and I think that’s what it really came down to. We are overstocked on guards, so it really makes no difference on our depth chart.
The point is did we improve our team with the trade? The answer is NO, we downgraded, we gave away a young player for an old broken down injured one who is washed up. It’s was not a good deal so it gets an F…
Crawford for Claxton + Acie: This was probably one of the best trades we made. We got rid of a very overpaid long contract. We are already heavy on guards, and we ended up getting two nice expiring contracts, one of which helped us get rid of Jackson.
The question is has Speedy or Law helped the team? We have an expiring contract for next year and lost Law in the Jack trade, we have nothing right now that has helped the team, we all know how the 10 mill exception was used in the case of J Rich, so until we do something positive with the expiring it means nothing, that deal has not helped the team at this point…Grade F…
Drafting Curry: We drafted based on BPA. I think literally any team in our position would have done the exact same thing, and would have been called stupid if they didn’t (at the time). We can always speculate in hindsight, but that’s really not fair.
I’m willing to give the draft a high mark, but it was the consensus with every other team to take him because Curry led the nation in scoring and was highly valued..Was he a better pick than BJ? Time will tell…..but I won’t argue I like the pick….
Either way, basically all the moves we have made have been positive. If we can make a Crawford type move for Maggs (get some more expiring contracts) we would be in an ideal situation for this coming off season. We definitely need to make a move for a big name guy and actually use these expiring contracts…until then I will say we are doing the right thing. BUT if we don’t end up using the expiring contracts (other than Raja, I hope we re sign him), then I will agree that none of the moves were useful.
I’m not talking in "IF’s" …..IF we do this or IF we do that, I am asking have these moves helped our team right NOW. Crawford has made an impact on the Hawks; they love the guy, so they have benefited from the trade, yes, have we? The answer is NO…..
You talk about getting a big name guy, what about MM? we passed on every deal this summer and landed MM as our biggy acquisition….Riley said he was waiting for the right big at the right price? So did MM help this team? We all know the answer to that , grade F…
So we have 4 F’s and realistically Curry is a B right now…So Riley gets a D- on the report card…
I don’t believe anything management says at this point, seeing will be believing; I just don’t think they’re capable of making a good trade because they’re dealing in weakness not strength. There is whisperings of everyone being on the trading block? How does this help stabilize the team right now? It is the bone headed stupidity of this leadership that’s all trying to cover their butts because their own futures are on the line, there looking for scrape goats and right now AR is it…
Don Nelson has been at the helm for every meltdown, I’m sick of his pompous act, I know he’s pulling the strings behind the scenes because that’s his history, Riley is doing exactly what Don wants spoken or unspoken, we need to keep this team together and get a new GM and Coach along with a new team president…Don has wore out his welcome again and we need fresh blood with new direction or the ship is going to sink once again for about another 10 long years…
So Riley gets a D- on the report card…
Well, from you. Anyone who understands the real-world landscape of the NBA (in particular the reality of the salary cap and the concept of negative trade value) would likely give him an A or B for making the best of the crappy situation he inherited, or an incomplete at worst.
The fact that we’re no longer locked into long-term deals to Crawford and Jackson, or committed to any kind of an extension to Marco, is one of the very few positive developments of this season. Those are exactly the type of mediocre, overpaid players who, if not removed surgically, can cripple a franchise.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 18, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
++
As far as MM: yeah, he’s pretty much a straight F as a player, but it’s highly unlikely anyone thought of him as a “biggie acquisition.” When acquired he was the 5th big man on the depth chart, or the 11th or 12th man overall. If even two of Wright, Ronny, Kelenna and Andris had been healthy, Mikki would likely have been a big DNP-CD on most nights.
One thing you can say about Mikki is that, despite his apparent inability to play basketball at an NBA level, he seems like a good guy and a solid vet role model, with perhaps a bit of hoops knowledge to impart. In many ways that’s exactly the type of guy you want as your 11th or 12th man. Especially when he’s on a cheapo one-year, $1.3M deal.
Again, read up little about the economic realities of the NBA and get back to us.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 18, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Well, from you. Anyone who understands the real-world landscape of the NBA (in particular the reality of the salary cap and the concept of negative trade value) would likely give him an A or B for making the best of the crappy situation he inherited, or an incomplete at worst.
How have any of those trades helped the team to date in what I’m asking,?
I understand if they use the cap space to sign a marquee player his grade could change, but to date he has not helped the team and were in free fall as we speak..
I disagree with the Marco deal because he could of played out his contract and walked next year so there was no benefit in moving him for a broken down injured player that was just an expiring contract, it was a bad move that downgraded the team..
Rad is on the book next year and Bell will walk, so there is a little cap relief coming that is true, but how has that helped the team right now?
The Crawford trade didn’t do anything to help the team at this time, we lost talent, we may sign MM to a 50 Mill contract to take JC’s place? Then what will you think about the cap relief? His tenor all depends on what he does to improve the team with the cap space that is being created.. I’m not saying they sign MM that was just an exaggerated example..
I don’t know a whole lot about Riley, what has he done in the NBA that can give us hope? What’s his track record? Where has he been successful? What are his achievements?
Chris M had his ups and downs, but he gets a C+ form this franchise because he was able to correct some of his mistakes and brought in BD that turned this franchise around, he did bring back Don but them allowed him to influence him to trade away J Rich for BW in what has been proven to be a bad deal for the W’s to date…
My grade is only at this time understanding he could turn things around with the right moves, but had he seen where this team would be at this time last year he would not of made most of those moves…there would be no MM, and Marco would still be here, he would have tried his best to get a true big over the summer to keep Jackson from having a meltdown.
As of now this teams in shambles and there is no help in sight…I think there trying to make AR their scapegoat…I can tell Don is frustrated with him right now and can’t put up with his immaturity, sound familiar? He felt the same way about CWebb and we know what happened…
Riley has made some moves that could be beneficial in a couple of years if they use the cap space to their advantage, but if they make desperation moves it’s all going to backfire…so to date, the jury is still out but so far none of his moves have helped build the team to date is all I’m saying..CM turned some things around and Riley can do the same by landing that marquee player we desperately need, but until he makes an acquisition that stabilizes the team it will all be for nothing..
I could easily came in as the GM and dumped players to create cap relief, all I would have to do is give JM away for an expiring, dump Jack for anything as long as in a couple of years it’s off the books, dump Marco which don’t make sense, and sign one of the nicest but worst free agents in the NBA…and I know you yourself could do a better job than what Riley has done so let’s not fool ourselves here….His tenor will be judged on what he does with the cap relief that has been created and how he treats the players we have right now…agreed?
it’s like arguing with a republican. Did you even read anything I wrote?
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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 18, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
it’s like arguing with a republican. Did you even read anything I wrote?
I read it all and responded point by point, and BTW I used to vote the republican ticket but Bush ruined that..
You need to rethink your position and look at this without personal bias, it will do no good to praise Riley yet when the only players he’s brought to the team right now are.
We both know it’t what he does with our current roster and what he does with the cap space that is going to tell the tale..
You still clearly have no read what I wrote...
The contracts we brought in are excellent, we could not have asked for anything better considering the contracts we got rid of.
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Let’s go over it again with a broader perspective my Warrior brotha.
Jackson for Raja + Rad: Probably the best trade we were going to get for a disgruntled, old, overpayed player. We got a contract that expires next year, and one the year after. Raja is a player that we will likely re-sign; as he is a great vet to have and one of the best defenders in the league (his 3 point shot isn’t bad at all either).
The first problem I have with this is if Riley had done what he said in the first place the Jackson meltdown would have never happened, they told Jack they were going after a PF and after they drafted Curry they decided to stand pat and he knew as well as the rest of us that we were in trouble, nothing against AR he just needs a couple years to mature…
The other point is Bell is a free agent after this season and odds are he signs with a contender, very little chance he stays here, so the trade was Jack and Law for Rad and were into Rad for two years….so we both agree this trade was out of desperation that was brought on by false promises in the first place.
Marco for George: Marco is not good. George is not good. But we did get some money out of this deal and I think that’s what it really came down to. We are overstocked on guards, so it really makes no difference on our depth chart.
Let’s be honest, the money meant nothing to the betterment of the team, that went in Cohan’s back pocket; the deal was George for Marco? And that deal made no sense at all; we lost a bargaining chip is all we did, because at the end of the day both George and Marco were coming off the books, so we traded a good bargaining chip for a bad one…
Crawford for Claxton + Acie: This was probably one of the best trades we made. We got rid of a very overpaid long contract. We are already heavy on guards, and we ended up getting two nice expiring contracts, one of which helped us get rid of Jackson.
Once again your going around your elbow to get to your thumb, what we wound up with is Rad for Jack and Law on the court…So as far as helping the team now how is Rad for Jack and Law an upgrade? So the bottom line is these moves hurt us at this time…yes having Speedy and Bell come off the book will help, but were stuck with Rad for two years…not good…
Drafting Curry: We drafted based on BPA. I think literally any team in our position would have done the exact same thing, and would have been called stupid if they didn’t (at the time). We can always speculate in hindsight, but that’s really not fair.
No problem.
Either way, basically all the moves we have made have been positive. If we can make a Crawford type move for Maggs (get some more expiring contracts) we would be in an ideal situation for this coming off season. We definitely need to make a move for a big name guy and actually use these expiring contracts…until then I will say we are doing the right thing. BUT if we don’t end up using the expiring contracts (other than Raja, I hope we re sign him), then I will agree that none of the moves were useful.
The reality is we’re going to have to include either Curry or AR if we’re going to unload Maggs, so is it really worth it? it’s been proven you have to build the core of a team through the draft and if you’re lucky add a marquee free agent without selling the farm…
All of these problems could have been averted because we all knew coming into the season we had to get a PF…But the problem is we did nothing but dump contracts and waited until the only free agent left was MM who was on his way to retiring because no one was going to sign him…BW had not proven himself and AR is to slight of build to play the position at this time, we may of gotten a false sense about his development because of his outstanding summer league…
We have to see the whole picture to get a proper assessment of the situation, this can by spun several different ways, but the bottom line is the GM and Coach are ultimately responsible for the performance of the team and right now it looks like there looking for scapegoats, No one wants to take any responsibility for the collapse of the team and its present moral..
My feeling is to weather the storm, not make any trades unless it is for a Marquee player, suffer through this year and try to get a new coach, see what Riley is able to do with the cap space and look to the future…
The games are exciting for now, with Beans and Ronnie returning we will be better, what concerns me is Don Nelson big shot status and his lack of respect for the players at times, we need a GM that can sit Don down and explain the situation to him and that’s the problem…
You are thinking too much about winning now. The contracts we acquired are great assets to have, if we use them. Far better than having jax or crawford etc.
In the long run, all the moves helped clear up space so we can actually try to go for a legitimate franchise changer, if we had kept either of those contracts….we’d be stuck unable to make ANY moves. I’d much rather have a chance at making a big move than having jax/crawford/bellineli.
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LMAO
if you think thats going to happen, HA, guess you haven’t seen our biggest free agent aquisition in years, Maggette, have you…good luck, this team is doomed until the FO is cleared out and a team with a clear vision and sound enough mind to understand what we need and what we don’t need come in.
Seems like you’re more interested in “laughing your ass off” than in reading people’s posts carefully. Yes, it’s difficult (but not impossible) for a franchise with our crappy reputation to attract marquee free agents. However, “to go after a legitimate franchise changer” needn’t imply “via free agency.” Indeed, signing free agents outright is generally not the best or even the most common way for teams to acquire top-tier talent.
A cursory look around the league suggests that the best ways to acquire true franchise players are (1) by accumulating enough tradeable assets and expiring contracts to make a big trade (viz. Celtics and Lakers); or (2) by being damned lucky in the lottery (viz. Orlando and Cleveland). Except for the Lakers, none of these teams had any kind of sterling reputation when they happened upon their franchise players. The Celtics were smart and financially flexible, and the Magic and Cavs were just lucky. Period.
Obviously, I don’t disagree that the Cohan/Rowell “braintrust” seems for the most part devoid of intelligence and “vision.” However, it must be said: by sucking as much they are, the Warriors are (unintentionally) putting themselves in a decent position to do what Cleveland and Orlando did. And by staying flexible financially, ridding themselves of bad contracts, and accumulating young assets and expiring contracts, they’re putting themselves in position to do what the Celtics and Lakers did.
It’s always darkest before the dawn. Just ask Celtics fans, who were collectively committing hara kiri at the state of their “sorry franchise” when they got jobbed out of Oden and Durant in the lottery.
As Curt Schilling famously said in 2004, “why not us?”
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 21, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
It’s always darkest before the dawn
Damn, it’s been REALLY dark for REALLY long now. I hope that sunlight is coming soon…
WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...
by JustSomeName on Dec 22, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
I support them
because the Warriors is the only team i ‘ve ever known to love. Living in New York as a Warrior fan kind of has a “My” team kind of feeling. Even playing viedo games(NBA 2K and Live) i always find it exciting to always play as the Warriors and kill everyone. When i watch Golden State i get a differnt feeling from watching other teams. It sucks that we have the worst front office in sports and our team doesn’t win alot but I always try to
look forward to the future. If they trade Randolph/Curry/Morrow i would still be a fan but it would truley decimate my support for the team knowing i really have nothing to look forward to.
Golden State Warriors Fan 4 Life!!!
The Golden Future
PF: Anthony Randolph
PG: Stephen Curry
Can't wait until GS wins a championship!!!
Why support them?
Because of Loyalty.
I liked this team before they experienced some glory.
I’m a Dubs fan and will forever be a Dubs fan.
Everyone listen up
i didn’t mean for you stop supporting them, because I am loyal to them as well. But their decision makings makes it hard
OWENS! OWENS! OWENS! OWENS!
- Joe Starkey
by 9ersDubsGiantSharks on Dec 16, 2009 6:45 PM PST reply actions
Does Cohan make money off of television ratings? I’m protesting by not attending games anymore…I miss Roracle!
by insanenthemembrane on Dec 16, 2009 7:13 PM PST reply actions
There’s different ways to support the team and one way is to protest, to let ownership know how you feel….
I am calling for the resignation of Don Nelson, not because I don’t like Don because I do, I have to admit it I love the style of play he brings….with the right horses it’s the style I like best.
We have a much more exciting style than the rest of the league, and I like the way the teams that Don has been at the helm with have been built, run TMC, the CWebb year with the rest of the cast, “We believe”, and right now I think if we land a top notch free agent and allow our young guys to gell together we will have some great B Ball to watch for years to come, but the problem is there comes a point where Don goes backwards and everything falls apart and it’s innate within him more than anyone else…
Mark Cuban parted company with Don at the perfect time, him and Donnie JR built a hell of a team for Dallas….the difference is Mark Cuban is a savvy owner and Chris Cohan is a lame duck…
But in all honesty, before this team is dissasembled Don should step aside and history tells us he won’t, he needs to be told were going a different direction….that’s the bottom line…
WE NEED NEW LEADERSHIP FOR THE GOOD OF THE TEAM….
I'm loyal
I’m not going anywhere.
Funny that most of my friends were warriors “fans” when they beat mavs, but now they are lebron’s fans. So sad.
by Am22mO on Dec 16, 2009 7:23 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Haha. Couldn’t resist a random shot at LeBron…
Who knew that being a Warriors fan and appreciating LeBron’s game was a zero sum deal?
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 16, 2009 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
Saw Lebron last night in person. 36 7 and 6. Just another day at the office for him. He honestly didn’t even look like he played that well. It’s amazing….
by Missing Barry on Dec 17, 2009 7:50 AM PST up reply actions
To Protest is being loyal
It’s harder to take a stand against the tide than to go with the tide, may the stongest voices make the loudest noise and may there be enough support to keep from caving in while the message is being sent…
“Were mad as hell and we’re not going to take it anymore” quote from the China syndrome…
“The Voice of Reason”
Face it, the Warriors are like the ex girlfriend you keep taking back.
We should keep them at arms distance though, they could break our hearts again.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
Hope
Bearing through the tough times of this franchise is going to make it so much sweeter when things get better
by Dr. Orpheus on Dec 17, 2009 12:30 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
This fanpost is funny to me. This is the same old story that’s been going on for what, 15 years running, now? Yeah, I know the Warriors are playing me for an idiot. I know they aren’t going anywhere under Cohan while he pockets my hard earned money (not this year! went to the Warriors game in Philly so the Philly owner gets my money instead!). I know the franchise is a mess, and are almost completely unwatchable. I’ve known this for 15 years. Hasn’t changed anything yet, what makes you think I’m going to change my heroin habit now? What’s making you decide we should all change now?
Good stuff
It’s not about winning a championship for me personally. It’s about being the team i’ve loved since i was 8 years old and went to my first game and saw the most awesome crew cut in the nba light it up.
I just wanna see my warriors play good basketball, make the playoffs and be a team that competes deep. A title will only come if we luck into the players truly capable. I mean if you think of all the great teams in last 15 years who never won. Stockton/Malone Jazz… KJ/Majarhle/Barkeley Suns etc. etc.
Sadly, even thats too much to ask
In a nut shell...
TC is saying the exact same thing I said in my fanpost a few min before, Mine was just a little more ellaborate. lol…much too long…so I agree with all point. As for what this difference is now Missing Barry, I’d say the difference is not that we each individually feel this way, but more and more fans are starting to voice their frustrations with the team. Which could lead to revenue drop for the organization.
You have to admit, it’s almost like the fans have been the only bright spot for this team in the past 16 years, if we go, the team is going to feel the effects.
Why support them?
Because it’s fun. We have no financial stake in their success, this is purely about the drama of the ups and downs of the NBA world. I get pissed, but it is still fun.
Granted we have had more downs than ups, but that makes us a special type of fan unlike anywhere else in tha NBA. Look at Detroit, New Jersey, and Philly…they can barely pull in 12,000 fans a night. People just stop caring.
All around the country people know Bay Area fans always care, no matter what. You can start a good conversation about the Warriors with any sports fan anywhere at any time and walk away with a smile on your face because A) the other person thinks you’re crazy for caring, B)the other person loves that you are that crazy
by warriorsvictim on Dec 17, 2009 10:23 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
This is a great point. I’ve gone to the last two games in Philly – and determined there’s no such thing as a Sixers fans. There are only Phillies and Eagles fans who have nothing better to do on a weekday in December. There must not have been more than 5,000 at the Warriors game, and while there was a decent sized crowd at the Cavs game last night, it still wasn’t anything like the Warriors. It didn’t even sell out with Lebron in town. 5 point game with a minute left, and half the stadium walked out. Definitely appreciate that as bad as being a Warriors fan is, the other Warriors fans make it more enjoyable than it would be in a lot of other places (like Philly, which I can say from first hand experience)….
by Missing Barry on Dec 17, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
There are only Phillies and Eagles fans who have nothing better to do on a weekday in December when the Flyers aren’t in town.
by Missing Barry on Dec 17, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
You can start a good conversation about the Warriors with any sports fan anywhere at any time and walk away with a smile on your face because A) the other person thinks you’re crazy for caring, B)the other person loves that you are that crazy
I love this. I don’t feel a Jeffersonian duty to the franchise, being a fan is just really fun. Why so serious.
I feel this way about the A's
The A’s are ten times worse. When players actually finally become solid major leaguers, they must be traded for more “prospects.” When those prospects become solid major leaguers, they must be traded for more “prospects” and the cycle continues under the guise of “we’re building for the future” (a future that never arrives). I never understand why people still up for this idiocy.
I am on the side of the “any Warrior is tradeable” right now. Anyone. I have no problem with this. They stink. I’m a fan but they stink.
Unlike the A’s who have no money, the Warriors front office is incompetent. There you have it.
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
+1. I love the A's cause of Beane
and hold hope that one day when we get a ballpark we can compete financially, but as it stands now i understand the fire sales. The Warriors, NBA is different w/ cap and revenue sharing so it’s more or less just poor management
Why even support the Warriors anymore?
You’re right bro. I’m done.
* Romes walks away & throws his J-Rich throwback Warriors swingman jersey in a Lakers trashcan *
Lakers trashbin = (located at the Oakland California Staples Center)
“I thought this was the Oracle Arena. The Roaracle or something?”
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Dec 17, 2009 10:51 AM PST reply actions
Why even support the Warriors anymore?
I will not support this team financially. But to the players, and just the namesake that is the Golden State Warriors, I will always support them, even if we go 0-82, I will still try and watch as many games as possible (on TV). I will not however, help put anymore money into Cohan’s pockets. Please Cohan, for the love of everything that is good and holy, PLEASE sell this team.
WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...
You do realize
That a majority of the money basketball teams get are from TV contracts, not ticket sells.
indeed
thats whats up… I’m on that plan. Not gonna spend any $ on tickets or jerseys or nothing, but i see the Dubs on TV as much as possible. i’m all about basketball in general so that will never change, plus the Dubs are still fun to watch cuz we have so much young talent. i gotta admit tho, it is just as fun to watch the Blazers… theyre what the Warriors would be with the right management.
its good ta watch the games, so u can both enjoy yourself and stay on top of whats going on. but if you financially and emotionally support the Warriors through buying tickets and cheering at tha games like a fool no matter what the front office does, youre sending them the message that what they do doesnt matter and your money will always be in their undeserving pockets. dont let this team become the Oakland Raiders of the NBA by supporting no matter what! loyalty is great but its a two-way street, so theres no reason to stay loyal to a management group who isnt loyal to the fans.
TV viewership puts money in their pockets…
by Missing Barry on Dec 18, 2009 12:38 AM PST up reply actions
True,
but as individuals, we can effect their merchandise/ticket/arena profits more than we can effect their tv viewership profits, or at least, it SEEMS like we can affect all their other profits more than we can effect their tv profits
WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...
by JustSomeName on Dec 22, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
Let’s kidnap Mark Cuban and lock him in a closet for 57 days with a Rick Barry jersey. Hopefully when we let him out he will be convinced it’s his life mission to buy the Warriors.
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
by cybermaldonado on Dec 17, 2009 12:18 PM PST reply actions
Why support the team
I think its what you would call hope that one day the Warriors will go from dreadful to mediocre, to outsanding.
admit it ,its a great soap opera for dudes!
by Only In Fairfax on Dec 17, 2009 12:27 PM PST reply actions
+1
hahaha
WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...
by JustSomeName on Dec 17, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
Why support the team?
Ummm because they’re injured and they’re my team.
Don’t forget we have not seen the end product yet, if we had all, or at least most of our players then I could understand all the negativity. But going to games and booing a team with so many injuries, who by the way have won some good games this year, makes us look like the stupidest fans in sports.
On the contrary people might say we’re stupid for supporting this team. If that’s how you feel then don’t watch them, don’t come to the games and certainly don’t boo the shorthanded players that are out their trying their best. Personally I feel like the players on the floor have played well, Rad and Morrow are in a shooting funk and there aren’t really any moves out there to be made since a lot of great players will be free agents after this year.
In the end we’re getting murdered on rebounds, our offense is limited to mostly jump shots and players currently have to over compensate to help each other out. All of these points will be helped once we get some more healthy bodies, but injuries are not problems with management, coaching or ownership.
injuries are not problems with management, coaching or ownership.
Still, you can’t possibly blame the past 17 years of futility (with the exception of those two sweet, sweet winning seasons) on simply “injuries”. It is the management and ownership that’s been consistent throughout these mediocre years and they ARE to blame for the team’s eternal status of mediocrity.
WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...
by JustSomeName on Dec 17, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
Your point, of course is valid and I don't disagree
however all the “we want Cohan to sell” and “fire Nelly” posts come after a loss, or a string of losses. Let’s just say the Warriors record this year was opposite, a good 18-7, with the same players, injuries etc. I bet we would not see anywhere near as much negativity. We didn’t see any when the Warriors beat the Blazers and the Mavericks back to back earlier this year.
What am I getting at? It’s still the same team, even if we were 18-7 this year, we would still have only 1 playoff apperance in the last 17 years, Cohan would still be the owner and Nelly would still be the coach. So the real problem is we’re just not winning games this year. And why is that? We can’t rebound and we can’t shoot the lights out all the time. Hence injuries/ not having the right personel, are the biggest reason we’ve been losing games this year (as well as last year).
Maybe, even if we had all our players we would still be losing, I don’t know. But until we see a healthy roster play at leat 20-30 games together pointing fingerss at managment, ownership or whoever doesn’t make sense. For all we know we could have a very good team on our hands right now and firing, selling, trading can screw it all up.
by VERY VERY BUSY on Dec 17, 2009 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
Support the Warriors by protesting.
Too many Warrior fans blindly supporting a franchise of futility AS LONG AS Cohan is owner and Rowell is President. If you love the Warriors, fight for them. Owning them is one thing, but we, the fans are paying to see them lose. Stop going to games, stop with the merchandise, etc, and boycott until Cohan sells. Best fans in the world deserve a world-class team.
Why don't we switch to being Sacramento King fans while we're at it.
Switch to being Los Angeles Laker fans, perhaps. These two teams win more than the Warriors. So at least we’ll be paying for a team that wins right?
I see your view and a lot of people’s point in us Warrior fans being a bunch of dummies for attending games in contributing to making Cohan’s pockets fatter, but we are just as dumb for watching Warrior games on TV as well. I believe someone on this site said that Cohan still gets a percentage of that money for anyone (warrior fan or not) tuning in to a game that includes the Warriors in it. Yes, it may be a very small percentage, but still, we are feeding his pockets no matter what. 1%, .001%, .000037%. Cohan will take it. Its money in his bank.
So what are we Warrior fans supposed to do? Not watch the games on TV as well? Let’s solve this problem by only checking Warrior stats online. Don’t purchase Warrior merchandise so let’s all invest in Sharpies, run to Target to purchase 5 dollar plain white T-Shirts and draw our favorite team with our favorite player on it. That’ll show em! (yes I’ve done that with Anthony Morrow but that’s because I couldn’t find his jersey anywhere and I was broke as hail. I decided to skip lunch one day and invested in those items to create my shirt)
Are every single Harcore Warrior fan supposed to not attend any games and let all the other Opposing team fans attend instead to fill the Oracle with those fans and cheer LOUD for that opposing team????
Yes. Let’s just turn Oracle Arena into STAPLES NORTH when the Laker come into town. Let’s have an ARCO ARENA building B. in Oakland California when the Sacramento Kings come to play. Great Solution. Reaaaaaaaaal Great.
I just think we are stuck in a Catch 22 and it seriously pisses me off. I don’t know what the hail to do about it. I been a Golden Warrior fan since the 5th grade and that’s all I ever know to be until I grow silver hair, caca Warrior blue Diarrhea, my bones collapse and disintegrate.
It’s a catch 22 because Warrior fans are just severly loyal and are a bunch of Basketball Freaks who are adamant that it must be a team representing the Bay Area and love hoops that much we are willing to go through this crap year after year. Oh and another thing, I may not be able to speak for the other Warrior freaks, but when I say it must be a team representing the Bay Area, I also meant it has to be THE WARRIORS AND ONLY THE DAMN WARRIORS representing the Bay Area. I would also prefer them to stay in Oakland.
Yes, we lose A LOT OF games, but the Warriors won’t LOSE every single game so when I do attend games I am not ALWAYS paying for them to lose. I have attended a lot of UNWATCHABLE games where the Warriors just get blown out, but i’ll be there til the very end. All I ask is for these players to give 110% and provide a great effort, win or loss, and I’m cool. It also helps when our Warrior players say, “We love our fans to death” because I 100% believe them. I know they appreciate us just as we extremely appreciate them more.
I wouldn’t believe it if it came out of Cohan or Rowell’s mouth, but if they miraculously sell this team and fire themselves, then I would have more respect for them.
Eh whatever. It sucks being a Warrior fan. It sucks being extremely passionate for this team and knowing I’m never gonna change.
Loyalty and dedication. Two qualities that are easily overlooked in this stupid corporate world of GREED.
It’s two qualities that I am as Warrior fan til I die.
Bye.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Dec 18, 2009 10:08 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The raiders and warriors are terrible teams right now but hey I'm loving em Win or lose baby :)
besides bandwagoning is a sin in da making lolz
All of you who give the "loyalty" excuse are straight suckers...
If you stuck with someone you hired for years and towards the end they do horrible work but you stick with them because your “loyal” just shut the f up.
Its easier being a Niner/Raider fan cause unless your 8 you remember a time when they were the best in their sport. Hell the Niners are the 2nd greatest franchise in football history if you go by SB wins.
Warriors should be disbanded and no longer a franchise. To subject fans to this kind of basketball is embarrasing.
I have stuck with the team til this point. So i guess I will keep supporting them. However if they trade Monta, Curry or Randolph for some garbage Im done. Why would I support a franchise who dont support its fans?
Its a two way street.
I find it so funny how teams can be good…rebuild…then get good again while were still stuck at the cellar of the league. LOL. Straight comical.
by CSalMJS on Dec 18, 2009 10:46 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
this
OWENS! OWENS! OWENS! OWENS!
- Joe Starkey
by 9ersDubsGiantSharks on Dec 18, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
I don't use "loyalty" as an excuse. I use it as a reason.
I’m not using that term for sympathy, I’m just using it to describe what I am when it comes to the Warriors and why I am a Warriors fan.
Call us losers. Call us Suckers. Call us Stupid. Call us idiots. But Don’t tell us to “shut the f up” because we have the right to voice our opinion no matter what. That’s what this site is for. We’re not all going to think the same way you do.
I’m a loyal Warrior fan. So what. Deal with it.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Dec 18, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
hmm. I don't understand "this."
?
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Dec 18, 2009 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
It’s a nerdier way of saying “+1.”
In plain English: I totally agree. ;-)
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 18, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
haha. Dope! Thanks Sleepy. hi pibe!
I’m gonna copy you guys now and be a nairds.
I may use “37 This”.
I know thats dumb. But thats just Romes. you know…..[DRAMATIC PAUSE]
….me.
ME ME ME!
By the way, speaking of dumb…
So one time I read one of your comments and you used the term, “colloquial”.
I was enamored and intruiged by the word so I decided to copy you and use it in an Ongline Conversation I had that day with a friend.
She was like, “What the hell Romes? Why are you speaking in the likes of intelligence. This is so unlike you.”
So I was like, “You’re right. It’s probably the last time its going to ever happen. So enjoy this moment.”
I failed.
Sleepy Freud wins.
womp womp.
-the end.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Dec 18, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
you stick with them because your "loyal" just shut the f up.
How is this different from this:
I have stuck with the team til this point. So i guess I will keep supporting them.
You sound a lot like all the people you just told to shut the f up?
by Missing Barry on Dec 18, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
Ya man. I didn't get that either. I was just like..whatever. contradiction.
Sounds like a confused fan to me. Go be a Laker fan then.
I was just more disturbed in him telling loyal fans to shut up with the “F” word even.
Talk all the crap you want. But Don’t expect us to refrain from speaking our minds cuz it aint gonna happen.
[X]
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Dec 18, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
oooo sounds like a confused man
loyal is pretty much saying your with them no matter what i believe support can change mighty quickly..thus sayin im done if they trade randolph, curry or monta.
but yes im the confused one.
we must all be confused people when we have nothing to root for november through what..april? and thats if your a Giants fan…A’s, Raiders and Warriors is pretty much gloom all year
Why even support the Warriors anymore?
Because you’ve got nothing better to do. Unless you want to spend $200 on NBA League Pass to follow your new adopted team, it’s just plain good economic sense to follow your terrible local team. Ross has cheap warriors gear, you can catch a game on nearly any tv, what more do you want? Accept the futility of the situation! Get comfortably numb like most warrior fans 25 and over.
On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.
by GameSix on Dec 18, 2009 2:30 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Relax.
I’ll need some information first.
Just the basic facts.
Can you show me where it hurts?
There is no pain you are receding
A distant ship’s smoke on the horizon.
You are only coming through in waves.
Your lips move but I can’t hear what you’re saying.
When I was a child I had a fever, my hands felt just like two balloons.
Now I’ve got that feeling once again
I can’t explain, you would not understand
This is not how I am…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 18, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I love it...
This just about sums it up for me. I love basketball, so really what choice do I have?
Now if San Jose ever gets a team… Yeah, they’d probably stink too.
"I could be chasing an untamed ornithoid without cause."
it’s just plain good economic sense to follow your terrible local team
Nah, screw that. I’m not adopting the Sixers. I’ll stick with my former local team…
by Missing Barry on Dec 18, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
the real question is
when the hell are they going to replace nellie with keith smart. if were such a young team we might as well continue the youth movement on the coaching staff. this franchise needs multiple breaths of fresh air and that could help alot
by nhlogan on Dec 23, 2009 9:19 AM PST reply actions
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