RUMOR: New York Knicks and Houston Rockets interested in Golden State Warriors forward Anthony Randolph
by Atma Brother ONE on Dec 17, 2009 7:15 PM PST
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Everyone on the current Golden State Warriors roster should be on the table in a trade. As of writing this team has the 4th worst record in the entire NBA.
There's only 1 way to go.
UP.
So JUMP!
CSN Bay Area: Anthony Randolph's Agent Bill Duffy talks with Scott Reiss about the recent trade rumor.
From Chris Broussard's Agent: Randolph not against trade piece over at ESPN.com:
Sources within the Warriors organization and around the league say the 6-foot-10 forward is available, but they said he is not being shopped.
"They're not trying to unload the guy," one Western Conference executive said. "But they are disappointed in him, so now they're willing to listen to other teams. Whereas before the season, their thinking was that he was untouchable and they wouldn't even listen."
Executives mentioned New York and Houston as clubs that have interest in Randolph, but he will not be easy to move because of the great disparity between his small salary ($1.8 million) and his perceived upside. The most likely trade scenario would include Randolph as part of a larger deal that featured a more accomplished player.
"I don't know that Randolph's stock has dropped around the league," the executive said. "He's a great talent; he just hasn't done much yet. So he's more of a sweetener that could get another deal done if you threw him in."
I'd like to see Randolph stay here and blossom, but I honestly can't tell whether that's ever going to happen. Is he a future superstar or even star? Or is he going to be some much wasted talent a la Stromile Swift? I really can't tell. What I do know:
- In terms of desire Randolph seems like he's got it. This isn't Erick Dampier we're talking about.
- In terms of athletic ability and talent AR's got it. He's got the height and raw skill.
- Key word being raw. AR is extremely raw. His knowledge of the game and fundamentals save for a few bright moments need a lot of work- a LOT.
- He doesn't seem all that coachable for a young player. In this regard, Stephen Curry he is not.
- Aside from the mental part of the game all of his hoops flaws seem to come down to having a weak core and terrible footwork. DJ Fuzzy Logic and I can never get over how often and how easily he falls and slips on the ground. His footwork is pretty horrendous as well. Both of these are solvable, but will he put in the time and effort to solve them?
- Unfortunately Randolph seems to think he's already arrived and deserves veteran privieges like playing time and the benefit of the doubt.
- Neither Don Nelson nor Keith Smart seem to be ready to just give him consistent minutes regardless of his play. Who you want to blame for that or how you read it is your call.
- what the Knicks have to offer that would be worthwhile in a trade (see Posting and Toasting)
- what the Rockets have to offer that would be worthwhile in a trade (see The Dream Shake)
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Maybe Harrington
rather kill himself than getting reunited with Nellie
Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........
You have got to be kidding me.....
The W’s are talking about trading one of, if not the most talented players on the team? Where is the development time for a player who came out after his freshman year? What the hell are we going to get from the Knicks? Picks? Now, I’m not familiar with the cap space and expiring contracts of either team, but it seems that history is repeating itself. Let’s see, where have we heard this one before: Hmmm, trade talented big man (or just talented player in general) in return for mediocre talent. Traded player then goes on to star for another team AND destroy the W’s each time they get together.
I’m speechless as to the direction of this team. I thought we were rebuilding around young talent….now I don’t know what to expect. Thank God I didn’t get season tix this year!! Cohan and Rowell and whomever else is behind this talk are idiots if they act on it.
by SmittytheCutman on Dec 17, 2009 7:25 PM PST reply actions
I agree
This is typical. Warriors have been doing this same thing for 10+ years.
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
by cybermaldonado on Dec 17, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
The Knicks are interested in Randolph...
…not the W’s are interested in trading with the Knicks. Who could the Knicks offer to us that would make us interested in trading Randolph to them? In my opinion, this is just a smokescreen to appease Knicks fans. The Knicks stay in trade rumors by saying they’re interested in a big name talent or huge expiring contract (McGrady) to appease their fans until they can pursue the ’10 free agents.
From the ESPN report (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4748700), it states the Warriors made Randolph available but aren’t actively shopping him. If I were the Warriors brass, I would do the same thing. Strictly speaking about the Warriors roster, it is a mess right now, and they need to unload some of their current talent for players. It would be foolish to totally give up on Randolph in order to receive dimes on the dollar, but it would not be foolish to listen to offers from other teams.
by TheDaydreamer on Dec 17, 2009 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
pretty much all they got....
is gallinari and possible D.lee (you get his rights)
direction?
i think the direction is clear.. 1 playoffs in 15 years. who needs playoffs when you can have mediocrity!!!
No not necessarily
Short answer: Randolph isn’t an all-star, and even on a bad team missing 3 core players, he is proving to be like our 5th or 6th best player. Therefore, people are high on some good sh*t if they think this kid is worth a legitimate all-star based off his “potential”.
Long Answer: I think Monta can become that all-star that the Warriors are looking for. What the warriors really need to be good, especially once Azuibuike comes back and Beans and Turiaf get healthy, is a pf who is willing to do the dirty work. A guy who comes in, and gets maybe 8-10 boards a night alongside beans, a hustle guy who plays good man-man and team defense (guys like Noah from the Bulls or Scola from the Rockets).
While the roof is high for Randolph to develop, you can see in the way he plays that he prefers to operate out on the perimeter, where Ellis, Buike, Morrow, and Curry all start their offense from. We don’t need a big man on the perimeter for this team, especially one who is a sketchy shooter.
If we could package him with Maggette’s contract and get even a halfway decent hustle big man, I wouldn’t lose a whole lot of sleep over losing Randolph. While I think he could be a great player someday, thats a big MAYBE and even so, I don’t think he can reach his potential on this Warrior’s team as constructed. Additionally considering our record, we should be entertaining every offer that comes for him without question.
by kyzah on Dec 17, 2009 7:30 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
If we could package him with Maggette’s contract and get even a halfway decent hustle big man, I wouldn’t lose a whole lot of sleep over losing Randolph. While I think he could be a great player someday, thats a big MAYBE and even so, I don’t think he can reach his potential on this Warrior’s team as constructed.
if we can get carl landry? luis Scola? Yeah they would be awesome fits. But I fear we’re gonna throw away a guy with a LONG future for a player already in his prime. Problem is the rest of the roster is nowhere near competing. Scola is 29….
I suppose Landry would be better, he’s having an awesome year. Only 26. Still Monta may be 24, Biedrins 23. Rest of team is years away. I doubt Landry is the type of player to lead a team + monta. That being said… r they really gonna take maggette too?? In short…. it’s not that feasible.
Also the concept of going to houston and having yao and randolph inside brings nightmares
Randolph prefers to operate out on the perimeter
“While the roof is high for Randolph to develop, you can see in the way he plays that he prefers to operate out on the perimeter, where Ellis, Buike, Morrow, and Curry all start their offense from. We don’t need a big man on the perimeter for this team, especially one who is a sketchy shooter.”
I have to respond to these statements. In Nelson’s mind for his perfect offense, he wants his center out on the perimeter (Manute Bol, Victor Alexander, Al Harrington, etc…..) so it takes the opposing center out of the key so that the opposing center is out of position from getting rebounds and blocked shots, which opens the key up for people like Baron, Monta, Hardaway, Richmond, etc…. This is why in Nelson’s offense, he wants his big guys to be able to hit outside shots. Randolph is raw like mentioned, but last year the Warriors kept going back and forth with him as a small forward (out on the wing) and as a power forward. Now, this year they are experimenting with him at center, which he isn’t comfortable playing and his sporatic minutes won’t help.
Randolph has been working on his outside shooting. The one game where Nelson’s plan worked was against Orlando where AR was making his outside jumpers. He did keep Dwight Howard out of the key for most of the game. I would argue that Randolph likes to play inside as we’ve all seen him try to dunk from all over the court and he does do a lot of hustle plays around the basket, but you can see he gets confused on defense.
Randolph plays out on the perimeter by design. I want Randolph to stay a Warrior, but if he ends up somewhere else, I doubt he would be used this way. Under these conditions, Randolph won’t be a success under Nelson.
by pgtogo84bsxy on Dec 17, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
not accurate
Nellie ball has nothing to do with big men working on the perimeter. It has to do with MATCHUPS. Randolph’s biggest strengths vs other big men is he is mobile and he can handle better then most other big men. Therefore, when you look at the MATCHUPS that he faces against other big men, where does his strengths lie? With his ability to get past his defender and get to the rim or get fouled. All he does when he pulls up for a 15-20ft jumper is bail out the slower defender thats on him. Maybe if he shot a good percentage from that far out, Nellie would be more willing to let him shoot, but so far he hasn’t proven reliable in the least on the perimeter, and his continuing to go to that style of offense when he has slower defenders on him is stupid.
You can see Nellie is talking to him about it, cause in the last few games he’s been trying to pump fake and get to the rim instead of rely on that weak jumpshot.
Kyzah just mentioned Noah and dirty work, hustle, good man and team defense....
No way in hell do I want Joachim Noah on this squad. This is the NBA not Florida. A better word to use with Noah is “serviceable”.
by SmittytheCutman on Dec 17, 2009 11:28 PM PST up reply actions
a pf who is willing to do the dirty work. A guy who comes in, and gets maybe 8-10 boards a night alongside beans, a hustle guy who plays good man-man and team defense
That sounds an awful lot like….Anthony Randolph to me. The kid’s overall game needs a lot of works, but those are basically his strengths right now (rebounding, defense – off the ball, check his blocks and steals numbers, on the ball, he’s got the length and athleticism to be fairly effective, even if his strength and footwork need improvement)….
by Missing Barry on Dec 18, 2009 8:29 AM PST up reply actions
No way
he’s got the length and athleticism to be fairly effective, even if his strength and footwork need improvement)….
Footwork is an incredibly hard thing to teach IMO. Players either have good footwork or not by this point. It’s something one has to do without thinking, just like bball IQ. Such a fast game things likethat need to be second nature.
Randolph has shown little desire to work on it IMO
If a player wants to learn it, they can put a lot of time in the offseason into developing it. Probably not something that can be easily learned from the game – you have to start off at a slower pace. Footwork is mostly about repetition, in a similar way to shooting. I have no idea if players do actually improve it substantially by the time they reach the NBA, but in theory, I see no reason why they shouldn’t be able to if they’re willing to put in the effort.
I also just don’t have a clue whether it’s something Randolph does or doesn’t focus on, or even if Randolph is willing to work as hard as necessary on his game at all to realize most, or all, of his potential….
by Missing Barry on Dec 18, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions
No, you can learn footwork.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
randolph doesn't play team defense whatsoever
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by montadaboss on Dec 18, 2009 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
He’s an effective help defender at times. The consistently solid team D will come with some patience…
by Missing Barry on Dec 19, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
Funny
On ESPN tonight Broussard said a Randolph trade is way over done and more than likely nothing more than rumor.
by Eschew Obfuscation on Dec 17, 2009 7:35 PM PST reply actions
No not necessarily
If we rid ourselves of Maggette’s contract and received a 2010 salary dump, I wouldn’t mind.
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I’m not sure if AR has the desire. Sure, he hustles after rebounds, loose balls, and putbacks on the court, but does he have the desire to improve because he’s obsessed with the game? Great players add something to their game every year- it’s only AR’s second year, so we’ll see if he really wants to get better at post moves, shooting, etc. or just coast on height and hops. And part of that desire is knowing you aren’t as good as you could be- AR already thinks he’s very good, which isn’t a good sign. There’s a fine line between confidence and arrogance, let’s hope AR is on the right side of it.
And the whole idea of untouchables is kind of silly. Call it the “LeBron James Corollary” to the Eddy Curry Postulate: Eddy Curry is the only untradeable, since any player is tradeable if you trade him for Eddy Curry.
LeBron James Corollary: no player (besides LeBron) is untouchable if you can trade him for LeBron.
I used this example elsewhere, I’ll use it again here. I’d call guys like Howard and Wade untouchable, too. Now, maybe their respective teams would trade them for Lebron. But the Heat would never trade Wade for Howard, and the Magic would never trade Howard for Wade. One of them is better (just by default, no two players can ever be exactly equal) – but the fact that they’re established stars in their home market means whatever small benefit the team gets from going from the worse one to the better one isn’t worth the risk of the trade and the loss of the already established superstar for said fanbase….
So basically I think it’s fair to call the ~10 players or so in the game untouchable – basically all the true superstars, because their teams wouldn’t trade them straight up for any of the other superstars (except maybe Lebron)….
by Missing Barry on Dec 18, 2009 8:33 AM PST up reply actions
AR would be good with D'Antoni
Speaking of the Knicks… 3 players 38 3pt attempts tonight. And, you KNOW Harrington HAD to be one of those 3 guys.
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
Knicks’ offer (if one exists) is probably garbage, unless it includes Gallinari, which there’s probably <1% chance it does.
Houston on the other hand… I’d take Landry, T-Mac or Budinger in some larger deal.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 17, 2009 8:04 PM PST reply actions
Even if it did include Gallinari, it’d be garbage. He doesn’t have Randolph’s potential, and would be ludicrously redundant on this team.
Ladies and gentlemen, your Golden State Worriers.
WOAH
Rad part 2? Thats a HUGE stretch. Gallinari is 21. Spent majority of last year hurt… He’s miles more athletic than Radmanovic for one,…
Shooting .438 from 3pt range on 6.3 attempters per game (highly impressive)
.610 TS% which is elite for a forward. 6th among SFs or 9th among PFs whatever you consider him. Draft express compared him to Hedo, for what its worth he was a better playmaker in europe, though maybe he was asked to do more. He’s a good passer
Yeah, Gallinari is pretty much my kinda player, but I’m a sucker for 3pt shooters.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 17, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
he's pretty awesome
Not saying i’d trade Randolph for him, But then again, if we have another way to get a PF, maybe
Definitely
And I could live with it TBH if we had a good 3. Look at orlando, rashard lewis is actually a worse 3pt shooter than gallinari (though he’s got alot of moves). not a much better rebounder either.
of course dwight howard lets you play w/ 4 perimeter guys…
People underestimate legitimate 3pt shooters...
33% from 3pt land is 50% from 2pt range. If you are a consistant over 40% 3pt shooter, you’re as efficient if not more so than guys like biedrins
Yeah, I was watching the Magic game earlier today. They said the Magic are shooting 53% from the field as a team when you adjust for their 3pt shooting.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 17, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
hence True Shooting percentage
Gallinari’s is very elite. Higher tan Lebron, Bosh, Wade and kobe for reference. Not saying it’s fair to compare or he’s in anyway better but he scores at a very high rate
Whoah
Well if you think Gallinari is that good, so you think Mike will let him go for Rudolph?
Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........
d'antoni has no say
if they think it can help them get lebron, they’ll fire d’antoni in a second.
WOULD YOU:
Gallinari, Jordan Hill, Eddie Curry 4 Maggette, Randolph, Speedy. It would save the knicks 5.5 mil in capspace next year.
If they think that highly of Randolph i think they do it because they NEED that space if they wanna sign 2 max money guys. More so in 2011 we’d have 18 mil off the books between vladrad/curry (another 3 .25 for buike, and potentially 4.25 for turiaf opt out)… and a young core of Curry, Monta, Gallinari, Biedrins… Hill, Wright, Morrow, 2010 draft pick. Perhaps a pursual of Al Hortford would be inline (or more likely knowing Warriors… an overpay of channing Frye)
Trading Anthony Randolph right now would be the biggest mistake the Warriors could make.
We fans are always bitching and moaning about how we don’t have that “20-10” big man who defends the rim and plays with heart. Plus Don Nelson has drilled into our brains that the Warriors cannot win unless we have a PF who can make jumpers and handle the ball. Well guess what: Anthony Randolph is all of that.
Per 36 minutes, he’s averaging 17 points, 11 boards, 2 blocks, and 1 steal for his career. And he looks damn raw and ugly on the court doing it too. Imagine what he’ll be like when he’s not 20 years old and actually knows what he’s doing out there.
And to add to that, his contract is structured so we could keep him here on his rookie-scale salary through the 2011-12 season, when he’ll still be making under $3mil/yr. No matter how good he gets, he’d still be costing us less than Ronny Turiaf.
We still have two full seasons after this season to evaluate this guy. There’s no rush. We’ll get to see everything. He’ll still be here long after Don Nelson finally retires and hopefully after Cohan sells the team.
He still has a chance to be our golden ticket, our franchise savior. Why trade him?
"We Deserve"
by YaHeard on Dec 17, 2009 8:05 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
That's the problem, no one wants to wait for development.
Hell, we’re Warriors fans; most of us have been waiting our entire lives! We’re not even finished with year 2 for Randolph and some people are ready to give him up already. The last thing any of us need is for our beloved Warriors to trade him, and have to watch him go on to yearly all-star games.
by SmittytheCutman on Dec 17, 2009 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
+1
We are going nowhere, so give him time to develop. He’s 20!
by Into the Void on Dec 17, 2009 8:08 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
HEy!
Or is he going to be some much wasted talent a la Stromile Swift? I really can’t tell.
I said that on a fanpost and got toasted….
Yep, Randolph is already much better than Swift ever was….
by Missing Barry on Dec 18, 2009 8:37 AM PST up reply actions
Why do people expect so much from Randolph?
I mean of course I want him to do well but after all he was the 14the pick,not 1st.
by Cpt. Jack in the Box on Dec 17, 2009 8:17 PM PST reply actions
What i fear...
we trade him to the knicks for wilson chandler
Another fear:
he goes to Houston for landry. for next year + Landry is a nice player, we probably still only win 30-35 games. Addleman is 1 of best coaches in NBA. Houston has a great “team” in general and they get most out of him. Practice daily against Scola, Hayes, Yao… with guys like Battier, Ariza turn him into what we think he can be. For next decade this haunt us….
Ones gotta wonder why we r so willing to throw talent away to appease a 69 year old!? All for some marketing picks when he sets wins record which ultimately the rest of league will just laugh at
I don't understand why we would want to trade him?
We have to groom him to be our power forward for the future(We sure can’t lure one over here via free agancy)! We have a young team! I don’t care if Nelson doesnt like him! Play him already! Lets face it we are not going to make the playoffs this year. let the young fellas play and learn. If we lose too many games we still have all our young guns and a high draft pick to add for next year. I dont see a problem with that. Sign a couple of free agents and boda bing boda boom playoffs! Nelson didnt like Mith Richmond look where that got us. Nelson didnt like C-Web look where that got us. I mean lets learn from our past already. We dont have any other bigs and you want to trade him to the Rockets and/or the Nicks who are undersized themselves. Think about it why do you think there interested in him? DUH because he is going to be good and maybe great! I dont want any of there scrubs from those two teams. You cant just give up on priemium young talent that is almost 7ft. We have a young team to build with so start building already. You dont dismantle something that is not even built yet?!?
Nellie wants to win now
Riley idolizes what Boston Celtics did. Unfortunately Monta + scola/landry + curry does not= garett, peirce, allen, rondo
the man making decisions does
and thats what sucks
I'm ready to give Nellie up for a bag of Jack Links beef jerky at this point!!
by SmittytheCutman on Dec 17, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
Hell, I'd do it for the beef jerky you get from Dollar Tree.
It’s as old as he is anyways.
by Elevation Sensation on Dec 18, 2009 12:18 AM PST up reply actions
i think its time for a bilboard
like they did for big al
by blacksamurai33 on Dec 18, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
Losing record = all your talent should be on the block?
Are you kidding me Atma? That is an absolutely ridiculous assertion that since we have a losing record we are obligated to put all our young, talented players on the trading block. Can you even explain to me the logic behind making a trade right now? There is NO way we are going to the playoffs this year. If we aren’t going to the playoffs, I want a top 3 pick which means the more losing the better.
Trading him seems even more ludicrous if you stop to consider his age. He is 20 years old! He was the youngest player in the league last year and has shown a ton of upside. The front office had to know when they drafted him that he wasn’t going to be as polished as some other big men who stayed in college much longer than him (see Jason Thompson, 4 years at Rider, 3 years older than Randolph.)
by randolphforpresident on Dec 17, 2009 8:44 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME
When has Nelson ever developed a BIG?
when dirk played under nelson he was more of a SF compare his rebounding to now...
by blacksamurai33 on Dec 18, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
Dirk’s 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 5th best rebounding years all came under Nelson…
by Missing Barry on Dec 19, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
2 other all-stars
Tyrone Hill, Chris Gatling.
And of course, Marques Johnson. But not sure if you know who he is.
He actually
turned Shawn Bradley into a serviceable NBA’er late in his career too.
John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
RUMOR: GSW interested in LeBron James!
/sarcasm
Not much news here. Once you have a team stating one of their best prospects is on the block, I’m sure every team is interested, and most will propose trades if it’s right for their team.
"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald
Yep, I think this is about right. The only genuine signal any player has given is Randolph’s agent, and while it’s certainly bad news that Randolph’s unhappy to the point where they’d want it publicized, it can’t be any real surprise.
This is a moronic and dysfunctional franchise, but even here, I have to believe that someone would apply the brakes on something like this. If Riley holds the sway that Steinmetz alleges… well, look, we don’t know much about Riley. It’s possible he wouldn’t stand up to Nellie, even on something this crazy. But I think he, or someone, would have the basic sanity to shoot this idea down.
Ladies and gentlemen, your Golden State Worriers.
I still laugh at the fact that the Jazz have the Knicks’ unprotected first rounder this season.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 17, 2009 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
what do they do if they get #1 overall and john wall
i suppose we’d also have a problem w/ monta + curry. It’s a problem i could live w/ though
D-Will, J-Wall backcourt sounds amazing to me.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 17, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
knicks trying to sign lebron
if i was lebron’s agent i say “So you’re telling me you passed on Brandon Jennings, traded a pick for John Wall and gave Eddie Curry 11 million a year and you expect us to trust you to build a contender”
I’ve never understood why some people seem to imply two PG’s playing together is a bad thing. I mean, from a size standpoint it can be – I don’t want a couple of 6’2 or shorter guys on the floor together, but Wall is 6’4 and long – he’s got enough size to be a pretty legitimate SG…so I just don’t see what the problem is.
by Missing Barry on Dec 18, 2009 8:42 AM PST up reply actions
IMO
Wall seems like more of a PG than Rose or Tyreke (granted I’d trade everyone on our team for Tyreke Evans cause he will be/(is?) a star and reminds me too much of Dwade’s game trapped in Chris tucker’s face).
Anyway he could totally work next to monta or more ideally curry (slasher + shooter) it’s more the fact 3 best players play 1 position lol. Obviously if we got #1 you take Wall, and find a way to trade monta or curry for value
How about this trade
Anthony Randolph, Corey Maggette, and Stephen Curry for Aaron Brooks, Carl Landry, and Tracy McGrady.
T-Mac’s contract is massive, would need to include a bunch of expirings to make it work.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 17, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
AR, Corey, Vlad for TMAC!
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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 17, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
True, why wouldn’t the Rockets do a deal where they get stuck with a bad contract, and have to give up the two best pieces in the deal (McGrady’s expiring + Landry) to make it happen….that’s one of the bigger “homer trade proposals” I’ve seen yet….
by Missing Barry on Dec 18, 2009 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
what about
Randolph + maggette 4 ariza + landry…. Ariza has been a slight disappointment for them, but i think he’d help us….It’s really all banking on the potential they see in Randolph. If they think they can maximize him. He could play next to scola or Yao. Randolph + Yao length in the middle is scary
they wouldent give up ariza...
he was in the runnings for most improved player of the year…he may be having a slump scoring wise right now but he offers the rockets the little things which that team is built off of…
by blacksamurai33 on Dec 18, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
Anyone else watching Portland-Pheonix
Jerryd Bayless plays like monta
Yep, Andre Miller is definitely gonna get traded.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 17, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
I sure hope not unless they take Maggette too.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 17, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
… and throw in Oden…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 17, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
A actually posted that trade on Blazers Edge… They said it was fairly balanced but the fans love Oden too much to do it.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 17, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
they're too committed to oden to do it
Can’t blame them. Franchise Center talent who is only 21. We all know if it was Warriors though he’d have been traded for morris peterson and darren collison though. GOTTA WIN NOW!
then we can trade biedrins for memhet okur
(something Nellie would desperately want)
he probably wants channing frey
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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 17, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
he doesnt play anything like monta...
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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 17, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
old monta
monta surrounded by legitimate nba players. Not 2009 monta + your local YMCA all star team
hmmm, i guess….but he doesn’t have monta’s speed
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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 17, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
wow, if ur watchin this port-suns game
wow…nash has ice in his veins!
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Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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Amar’e was looking like garbage in the post at the end, thankfully Nash decided to take over for them.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 17, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
but
amare played great for most of the game
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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 17, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
monta syndrome
i think he has played 44 minutes….
I think it’s more that Nash just gave it to him in the post towards the end rather than doing pick n’ rolls.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 17, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
ya
bad play calls IMO
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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 17, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
iunno bout that
also he has a better match up, the vanilla gorilla isn’t it. Amare stopped going to hole, settling for jumpers on tired legs
what do u mean? his stats are inflated by the minutes played? or hes tired?
if u watched, he was dominating inside earlier in the game.
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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 17, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
Went 1-7 in the 4th and basically lost his team the game.
Also: 45 minutes, 1 assist.
On the season now averaging three times as many turnovers as assists. (Roughly three times worse than “out of control” Randolph).
By plus-minus, still the worst regular player on the team.
Yeah, let’s make this guy our franchise for the next 5-6 years!
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 17, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
Landry
No one was more psyched about Randolph’s potential than I was coming in to the season, but at this point I would take Carl Landry for him.
Biedrins, Landry, KA, Curry Monta = playoffs.
Landry is one of the best offensive bigs in NBA
He’s tough, great shooter, 90% FT shooter and has good defense. I’d LOVE to have him instead of AR
Dont forget BW !
if he can ever get healthy, I personally think he is better than AR
3 team trade
heres what each team gets…
rockets- anthony randolph, nate robinson
Knicks- T-mac, warriors draft pick
warriors-wilson chandler, Carl Landry
3 team trade
rockets aint gunna make a trade without tmac being shipped away so ..
also they are not gunna trade aaron brooks and carl landry.. (possibly one of them if they get value back) warriors deff r not gunna swallow tmacs contract and the knicks have cap room for next couple years
Trade to Knicks yes, trade to Rockets no
Morey is SO going to screw us over in a trade.
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nate robinson is not gunna play anytime soon for the knicks and he is close to asking for a trade… he has an expiring contract so if the rockets would be willin to risk taking him for this year it could possibly work out obviously with cash considerations and possibly other players involved but this would be the base
What's the possibility of us getting Iguodala?
I’d love to have him here
Another Rumor
Move along
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how bout
warriors get:
landry
battier
brooks
rockets get :
AR
Maggette
Watson
salary matches.
Landry is better than AR. Battier is better than Maggette. Brooks is better than Watson.
by Missing Barry on Dec 18, 2009 8:47 AM PST up reply actions
If “one can dream,” one can also dream about this.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 18, 2009 9:17 AM PST up reply actions
Rockets wouldn’t and shouldn’t do the trade, but
Battier is better than Maggette.
I think this may no longer be true. Battier seems to have lost a little footspeed, and that may be all that it took to send him stumbling down a cliff. Plus-minus has always been the arena where you could see the positives of Battier’s contributions… this year, he’s one of the five worst players in the league in plus-minus. He’s looking kinda done.
But it would be quintessentially Warriorsy for us to grab him now on the heels of the NYT article, once his value has actually dissipated. Dear God, I hope we never trade with Darryl Morey.
Ladies and gentlemen, your Golden State Worriers.
Hmm…if I ever see the Rockets play, I’ll watch him closely to see how he looks.
by Missing Barry on Dec 19, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
battier is untradeable for rockets
Morey loves him like we love jessica alba in a we believe shirt. but really he is the ultimate team player and makes them better… oh yeah and defensively awesome
T-Mac?!
How big is T-Macs contract? is it possible for the Warriors to get him? we kinda need a star next to Monta..
whoppin 22.8 mil
he’s the highest paid player this season. almost impossible to trade
ugh
i hate the media so much. so they have so little to write about they just start making things up?
the team basically said no one is necessarily off limits right now via trade. (no suprise to float that with the state of the team via injuries and record.) but to then say “hmm everyone can be had? quick! run to the presses. headline! warriors trying to trade randolph!”
i know it sucks seeing them lose as i’m sure they feel the same. but if you look at the positives. they have been playing better overall team defense than they have since i can’t remember when the warriors as a collective team were out there putting a whole effort out like they have been since jackson has been gone. (granted it hasnt resulted in wins, but thats to be expected when you are drastically undermaned and the only size you have is injured.) Randolph seems to be getting the brunt of the impact from the injuries in a lot of ways. mainly in that because of his size, he is one of the only options we have for a 5 so he is having to be thrust into that role. with how raw he is, he really needs beans and turiaf back to just be able to get back to his actual position.
the only thing going on lately that doesnt make a lot of sense to me is the lack of playing time hunter is getting. with how few bodies they have and the lack of size due to injury, having a decently sound guy with size and thickness would seem to be a guy you would want to throw out there at LEAST as much as they were throwing mikkie moore out there. end rant.
Voted: Other
1. Hope that KG retires
2. Hire KG as a special consultant, with money being no object
3. KG becomes Obi-Wan to AR’s reckless Luke
4. ???
5. Championship
On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.
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