More Randolph trade suggestions- What do you expect?
by clarkpojo on Dec 18, 2009 10:31 PM PST
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Hey Warrior fans,
You have heard all of the offers pitched. The Warriors management is obviously looking for a power forward, but I don't know that you are going to find one much better than David West and you are going to have a hard time convincing guys like amare or Chris Bosh to sign extensions.
Anyways, I have always thought that Andrei Kirilenko just belonged on the Golden State Warriors and I have thought that there was a trade to be made between the Jazz and Golden State. In fact, I think AK47 for Anthony Randolph is a funny trade, because I see AK as a more mature version of Anthony Randolph; a veteran if you will.
So my proposed trade is Andrei Kirilenko and Ronnie Brewer, for Anthony Randolph, Corey Maggette, and Raja Bell's expiring contract.
It obviously adds about $3 million to your payroll this year and $6-10 million next year, but it also takes $21 million of Corey Maggette's contract off the books in 2011-2013. I don't know if the Jazz management is willing to make a big trade right now, but I think this would benefit both teams. AK has only one year left after this one, so his contract isn't as bad any longer and I really think he would thrive in your system if he was turned loose again. He's only 28 years old.
Let me know what you think.
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Sorry that’s a pretty silly trade. I say no to this in a heartbeat.
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by dubzfan on Dec 18, 2009 10:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oops
I wasn’t quite finished, what I meant was no, no and no. The last thing we need on this team is another guard.
Brewer isn’t bad but our coach is a moron and would try to play him at PF.
You can quit with all the trade posts because it doesn’t matter who we trade/trade for because we’re going to be garbage until Nellie and the rest of the FO is gone.
Infact we might as well just forfeit the rest of our games because I’d rather us do that then watch another minute of this sorry POS excuse for a team.
I’m about to give up on this retarded ass franchise and become a Lakers fan.
by JRich4MVP on Dec 18, 2009 10:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
At least move on over to the Kings so you can go to Sac and see a few games.
Lakers? really?? Thats just to easy.
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by qin on Dec 19, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In all my years of watching and rooting for the Warriors which is around 10, I’ve had 2 winning teams and 1 playoff team. If i’m gonna switch teams I might as well just go straight to the top and not putz around with the Kings hoping they get good soon.
by JRich4MVP on Dec 19, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you type “asdf” in your comments so often because you are trying to tell people you are “a sad, depressed fan”? If it causes you that much pain then yes you should go be a Lakers fan.
by Rob Kurz blocks Yao Ming on Dec 22, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that's the old format of this blog
when you were required to type something into the title bar or it won’t post
by IQofaWarrior on Dec 22, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So you continue to do it just out of habit or something? Maybe you should just go with “OCD” lol.
by Rob Kurz blocks Yao Ming on Dec 22, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t hate it. randolph’s ceiling is higher than kirilenko, but AK47 given some freedom again and back playing the 4 would likely help his sinking rebounding numbers and rejuvinate his career some. plus, ditching maggs contract wouldn’t be such a bad thing and this really helps us out if we want to go all-in in 2011. there have been much dumber randolph proposals on these boards.
also, good to hear from you clark, i definitely like catching your POV over at SLCdunk.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Dec 18, 2009 10:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
that said, considering how badly we lose the talent aspect of this deal (maggs for brewer is a bit lopsided and while randolph’s upside is obvious, his tremendous rebounding skill gets ignored in this proposal when you compare him to AK47), i think a pick or two would be necessary to push it to a level where i could really be happy.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Dec 18, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
dont the Jazz own the Knicks pick this year? I’d probably do the deal if that pick was included.
Thing A
by sam23 on Dec 19, 2009 7:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
for the knicks pick, no question about it. we’re talking about an unprotected first rounder coming from a crappy team. i have no idea why the jazz would include that pick (at least not until after the lottery), but i’d be more than fine with that deal.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Dec 19, 2009 10:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, cap'n Hack. Those are kind words. I honestly like the Warriors and am also a Raiders fan, so I know what it's like to feel beaten down by crappy owners/management.
hopefully the Raiders and Warriors figure it out sooner than later.
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by clarkpojo on Dec 21, 2009 1:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The vultures are circling…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 18, 2009 10:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
at least this vulture picks at a contract we could stand to lose.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Dec 18, 2009 10:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Throw in the Knicks draft pick, and maybe
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 18, 2009 11:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
start w/ millsap
then we’ll talk. I like kirilenko, but i might kill myself if i saw a kirilenko/biedrins front court
by tafkasam on Dec 18, 2009 11:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why is something about two solid
eastern europeans playing together bad?
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by montadaboss on Dec 19, 2009 12:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
are you kidding?
That would be fantastic!
"If God made us in his image then he must be dumb too, and a little ugly on the side."
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by qin on Dec 19, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's absolutely ridiculous that Randolph is not untouchable..
As I stated previously, if AR is traded or not re-upped after his rookie deal I will turn in my 26 years of warrior fanship. I’m done with this franchise if AR is shipped out/not re-signed. I will become a fan of whatever team Randolph goes to because that is a smart team with great management. They know talent. If this trade goes down, I’ll buy a Jazz hat, a Malone Poster, a Hornacek Jersey T, and get a Byron Russel haircut.
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Dec 18, 2009 11:42 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
yes and no...
It’s absolutely ridiculous that Randolph is not untouchable..
No player minus lebron, howard, wade, kobe, cp3 are untouchable. but you gotta look at our squad, young, inexperienced, questionable talent (forgive me for not being a morrow fanboy). What would star do for us? Unless he’s under 25 its VERY pointless cause this team isn’t going to challenge anytime soon. So trading him for some 28 year old who can help us plateau at 35 wins is highly stupid. If it was part of something to get us a bigger young talent, more talent in general than yes do it. but not for a guy to help nellie win record fast, which is MY BIGGEST FEAR. Get us to 30 wins and sit there for next 5 years….
For example, if we got Beasley, Brook Lopez, Horford etc. Then yes, it’s a possible lateral move… i believe in those 3 for ex. more than randolph though. But if it’s for Boozer, david west… however much better they may be now, whats the point!? So next year we can POSSIBLY challenge for 8th?! Look over at sacramento guys. They were AWFUL last year, got ome young talent, got more last year….. in 2 drafts they aquired- jason thompson, tyreke evans, omri caspi, donte greene, alone w/ brockman. OKC was awful and now r everyone’s favorite team cause of good drafting. Portland is another example and they still haven’t used so much of there talent like Bayless. Even Memphis, trading Gasol for Gasol, drafting a lot of players, building….
BUT NO, we give away players like belinelli for devean george and picks for nothing. And the problem is Nelson/Riley and Rowell. Under them we will NEVER commit to a full rebuild, just these halfass ones which have us floating in that 30-40 win range (on good years)…. Considering we have a horrible image, we can’t play free agency, so AQUIRE PICKS and players under 23, and BUILD
by tafkasam on Dec 19, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Amen!
Unfortunatley for us, Nelson is commited to staying with the team and driving young talent such as Randolph away rather than letting him work through his mistakes.
If it is going to turn into a situation where Randolph is going to begin demanding a trade publicly, we are going to be hard pressed to get anything back of value.
by ajtrinc on Dec 19, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What you are basically saying...
is that we need to build with players who are EXACTLY like Anthony Randolph…under 25 with a chance to be future stars….there is no point in trading him because you won’t get back a player under 25 with more potential/talent..Randolph is the perfect player to have on a team when you suck and need to rebuild with…I also have different beliefs on the players you mentioned. There is no way I trade Randolph for Beasley. That would be taking a step back, not a lateral move.
The warriors need to understand that Randolph is only 20 and that the team is a good 3-5 years away from competing seriously. They say that it takes a big man 5 years to develop. Randolph is in year 2 and looks way better than most “projects” that get drafted at age 19. There is no point in alienating him, not believing in him, and being so damn short with him. The only way the dubs are ever gonna turn it around is if they develop their own players. This is not a free agent hot-spot so they must spend all their energy and effort into player development. Hell, most the team is under 24 years old. Why do they get so annoyed? Why do they talk about Randolph’s immaturity? Of course he is immature. He is freaking 20!!! Management needs to stop bitching and DEVELOP!!! For christ’s sake, why can’t you freaking coddle an NBA player 1 TIME!!!!!
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Dec 19, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
there is no point in trading him because you won’t get back a player under 25 with more potential/talent..Randolph is the perfect player to have on a team when you suck and need to rebuild with…I also have different beliefs on the players you mentioned. There is no way I trade Randolph for Beasley. That would be taking a step back, not a lateral move.
Thats your opinion. Basley is 10 times more of a basketball player than randolph. Randolph is just an athlete and there is no garentee he’ll develop. Beasley I feel confident can be an all-star pf, even if he is 6-8. I’m not convinced Randolph will be much… It’s not that he makes mistakes on the floor, it that he makes clueless players like he’s never played basketball
Btut the concept is same, if you think you can get more YOUNG talent than Randolph, you trade him. But not for a 28 year old or a guy who will walk.
by tafkasam on Dec 19, 2009 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I propose the addition of a non-rec action
by randolphforpresident on Dec 20, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't bother reading comments from SNs w/ Randolph in them
hello newbie!
by tafkasam on Dec 21, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Beasley is also a crackhead. Given I think Randolph has a way higher ceiling and has his head on straight, I don’t think it’s even debatable.
by JRich4MVP on Dec 20, 2009 7:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Beasley I feel confident can be an all-star pf
Kinda high on Beasley. He’s been slightly worse this year than he was last year, and he wasn’t as good as people expected last year…
by Missing Barry on Dec 20, 2009 11:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HE'S ONLY 20
(haven’t we heard that argument before?!)
What i find interesting is how much better he/heat are when he plays PF as opposed to Sf. I mean i guess we shouldn’t be. He was a PF his hole life, and just cause he can knock down 3pters doesn’t mean he’s a SF (just like just cause Randolph can handle the ball doesn’t mean he is a SF).
using 82games.com as a source (can’t find another place which splits stats by position)…
all miami’s positive +/’s and general efficient play is w/ beasley at 4. All the negative involve him @ the 3.
-He has a 19.3 PER @ the 4, opponents have a 17.2 (not bad for a 20 year old out of position eh?). At 3 he is a 13.6 PER and gives up 21.5 PER.
-He shoots a higher percentage
-He out-rebounds his opponent (10.6 to 9.8 per 48)
Conclusion it’s hard to judge his overall statistical performance cause theirs such a big difference between him at 3 and 4. He may only be 6-8. He is 240 lbs w/ a near 7-1 wingspan and great athleticism. Sure If you had your choice, you prefer a Garnett/Webber style looking PF, but I think Beasley may be an undervalued commodity who in right system playing PF could be explosive.
RANDOLPH on the other hand.
-Power Forward his PER is 12.4 and his opponent is 30.1
-Center his PER 21.6 and his opponent is 21.6
-his rebounds are decently consistent 13.4 to 14.3 from power forward to center. While he gives up 12.8 to 14.4
-His eFG% is nearly double @ center what it is @ PF.
Is he really that good a PF? or just because of his insane athleticism and length is a monster mismatch for centers, particularly back up ones and Nellie is right to take advantage of it the way he does?!
MB,
As a man who values statistics for what they tell this, this only strengthens Nellie’s case he needs to play backup center, cause at power forward basically all he does is rebound well, otherwise he’s WILDLY inefficient and awful defensively. At center he is at least a match up nightmare cause of his athleticism. truth be told I didn’t even know it was this telling till i looked it up
by tafkasam on Dec 21, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
woah....
i have no idea why it published weird. I didn’t do that on purpose…. so to sum up…
look at Beasley’s difference between playing @ 3 and 4. Look at Randolph’s difference between 4 and 5. Who is better PF!?
http://www.82games.com/0910/09GSW12.HTM
http://www.82games.com/0910/09MIA10.HTM
by tafkasam on Dec 21, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care about giving away some of the players we've given away ...
But this team can not afford a talent-losing trade that involves our young core – Curry, Monta, Morrow, Randolph, and Biedrins.
All of those guys are tradeable. This team should absolutely be willing to part with any of them if it makes us better in the long run. But “the long run” is the problem.
What I’m afraid of is the same think Tafkasam talks about: we trade our young guys who are older, maybe even a little bit better … but all of a sudden we have no future, and those guys aren’t good enough to make the present interesting.
We aren’t making the playoffs this year no matter what (it wouldn’t be a given if we managed to trade Maggette for LeBron, and Beans came back 100% healthy) so any trade which has the primary advantage of making us better right now is stupid if it makes us worse in the future.
by Ronaldinho on Dec 19, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec..
Well said. I have no problem trading anyone on this roster, but giving away young pieces for marginal upgrades makes no sense for us. This is as close to a real rebuilding situation as we’ve been in for a while now. This roster doesn’t need tweaking, it will eventually need a real game changer. The only way we can acquire that player is through continuing to lose games and having some luck in the draft, or continuing to accumulate young players and expiring contracts to trade away for a real star if one becomes available.
I don’t think Magg’s contract is a big enough problem for us to use one of our promising young players as a chip to dump him.
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by olympicmike on Dec 19, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
This roster does not need rebuilding since it was just put together and is very young. The difference between this team sucking and the sucking of 2004/2005 etc is that we actually have a future with these guys.
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by dubzfan on Dec 19, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The difference between this team sucking and the sucking of 2004/2005 etc is that we actually have a future with these guys.
Well, we’ll see, but I don’t think we have much of a future without some significant changes. The key to me is positioning yourself to make said changes. I’m not opposed to acquiring AK47, because he will be a huge expiring contract next season and may well help us to make a move for a disgruntled star. I just don’t want to give up too many assets in the process of shortening our payroll obligations.
We have some good young pieces, but we don’t have anyone here worth building around. What we do have is a good amount of trade chips and solid role players that may put us in position to capitalize on future opportunities.
"I could be chasing an untamed ornithoid without cause."
by olympicmike on Dec 19, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
We have some good young pieces, but we don’t have anyone here worth building around.
Thats the thing. The Ronny Turiaf’s and Kelena Azibuike’s of the world are only really good pieces if they are backing some really good players up. And getting backups is way easier than getting good starters (obviously) Its time to push some of our good young complmentary piece for a ‘star’ player or player with star potential, that will be beneficial to this team in the long run when we can build around said star player.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Dec 19, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We need to outbid the Al Davis get a GM billboard
And put this up here.
Please Chris Cohan, call Chris Mullin. Apologize. Re-hire him as GM and fire Nelson. And for God’s sake, play Anthony Randolph 35 minutes a game no matter what.
Warriors fans out.
Jeremy was safe. He jumped over the tag.
by mrrickyg on Dec 21, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I almost agree
Unless we trade him for the most lopsided trade in NBA history in our favor I just don’t want it. I would rather get back w/ my ex. Move to her birth state of Florida and root for the Magic. And trust me, I have some real biased hate of Florida (not so much their teams, just the state).
by GoldenStateGuerrero on Dec 19, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Would you so any of these...
Landry + Ariza 4 mags + randy
Galinari, Hill + ECurry 4 mags + Randy
some way to get beasley 4 randolph in a 3way w/ bosh going to miami
these r kind of offers i’d strongly consider
by tafkasam on Dec 19, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ando n second thought...
I’d accept Kirilenko + knicks pick 4 randolph, maggette and expiring…
by tafkasam on Dec 19, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that's potential for top 6 picks
So really it comes down to ow talented do we view this draft?
by tafkasam on Dec 19, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i'd do it if they took maggette
and gave us nyc #1 pick.
That’d be a good trade
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by montadaboss on Dec 19, 2009 12:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
there is no trade with randolph involved that makes sense for both teams.
we need a superstar that either has a few years on his contract or will commit to us long term and no team is going to give that up. there’s no reason to trade randolph for mediocre roll players.
by HOLDEMUPGoldenStateOfOppression on Dec 19, 2009 1:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
+1
DO you guys not realize how young AR is? Think of how you were at his age? You can’t expect LeBron like play out of him at the same age because he’s not Lebron but he WILL develop into a very good player. He’s going through growing pains right now so he’s going to keep having ups and downs but to toss him away to another team and get something mediocre back will be one of the dumbest decisions our FO has ever made. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think he’s untouchable and I do find myself screaming at the TV after he’s made a dumb play but he has a lot of years ahead of him. We do suck now and we do need to be a better team now but think of how good AR will be in 3 years? 5 years? We can’t let him go unless we get a star back.
by Throw up the Dub on Dec 19, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
think of how good AR will be in 3 years? 5 years?
that’s an excellent question, and one of the reasons he’s on the block. worlds of potential, but honestly have no idea whether or not he’ll put it all together. there are a lot of talented players who don’t have a feel for the game who never reach their potential. randolph seems to want it, which works in his favor, but pretending he’s a lock for superstardom is not a good idea. if some other team buys when his value is high, we’d have to consider it.
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by cap'n hack on Dec 19, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With our track record I doubt we'll get a fair shake
Other teams will give us scraps and tell us Randolph isn’t worth his potential. And we’ll gladly agree.
by GoldenStateGuerrero on Dec 19, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What we think is all fine and dandy, it’s what Nellie thinks that’s going to determine his future and unfortunately Nellie is a retarded POS who has way too many motives and agendas to actually care about AR or any other player on the Dubs for that matter. So we all know how this is most likely going to play out, he’ll leave because the FO pissed him off and he’ll blossom into an all star.
by JRich4MVP on Dec 19, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rumor has it..
that Randolph’s agent wants a $60 million dollar contract extension next season. <—Wtf
by DubsFan408 on Dec 19, 2009 10:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ridiculous amount. There’s no way he gets that from the Warriors or anyone else if he doesn’t improve a ton by extension time.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 19, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
$60 Mill
Damn he is not close to Monta even Beans right now
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by mykelala01 on Dec 20, 2009 7:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
on Hoopshype they said Randolphs agent wants an extension
for 5yrs/60 mill and im sorry he aint worth that. i mean the guy cant even hit a wide open 15 footer
by Belinelli's the savior on Dec 19, 2009 11:47 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
He wants $60 mil?
Great, so do I. It doesn’t matter. We have him under his rookie contract until the Summer of 2012. Him wanting a big contract should have absolutely no connection to trading him away almost 3 years before a new contract is due.
If he wants $60 mil than that’s great. That’s above-average to All-Star kinda money. He still has almost 3 more years to show us that he deserves it.
"We Deserve"
by YaHeard on Dec 19, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I think if next year he can get into that 15 ppg, 8 rpg, and 1.5 blocks range he can get this extension otherwise let him play out the rookie deal. If you asked CJ if he wants a 5 year 60 million dollar deal he will say he wants it just like every other player.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
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by dubzfan on Dec 19, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Logic...
Recent Big man extensions:
Biedrins 6year/54mil
Bynum 4years/58 mil
l.aldridge 5 year/70 mil
heck 2 years ago j-smoove 5/55mil
PF/C are EXPENSIVE. The fear is if he breaks out next year he won’t wanna agree to an extension and essentially go unprotected in 2011/12. not saing he’s WORTH 5 years 60 mil now, thats agent talk, he prolly realistically wants 10 mil a year, and could possibly be had at 7.5-8mil, which might not be bad for the long term
by tafkasam on Dec 19, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bynums was pre-2008 season, lamarcus was pre-2009 season, j-smoov was pre-2008.
and jsmoov was actually 5 year 58
by tafkasam on Dec 19, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
j smoovs was by far the best on there
look at how well he is playing, and his price tag.
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by montadaboss on Dec 19, 2009 1:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
do u remember j-smoov in 2007-8 when he got the extension?
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smithjo03.html
his 2007-8 per 36 vs. Randolphs current per 36
Jsmooth07-08/Randolph
pts 17.5/18.0
rebs 8.4/10.3
asts 3.4/1.3
TO 3.1/1.4
blks 2.8/1.3
stls 1.5/0.8
TS% .520/.511
by tafkasam on Dec 19, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be better to compare their second years, not Smith’s 4th year with Randolph’s 2nd. Smith earned that contract offer. There’s a difference between getting those stats playing 36mpg as a starter and 23 mpg off the bench. If Randolph is a starter playing 36mpg by the time we need to extend, while still putting up those per36 stats, then he definitely deserves that kind of contract. Will he last here long enough to prove that to us? Who knows…
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 19, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
good call....
jsmoov’s 2nd year v. AR4s
per36
pts 12.7/18.0
rebs 7.5/10.3
ast 2.9/1.3
TOs 2.3/1.4
blks 2.7/1.3
stls 0.9/0.8
TS % .500/.511
WE all know Randolph has the POTENTIAL… but does he have the work ethic? Thats my biggest reason to think of trading him… i fear he’ll be 1 of those potential guys who never puts the work in. He has ALOT of work to do….
by tafkasam on Dec 19, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No to Contract Extension...Yet
Right now he is not worth the money. He’s inconsistent, emotional, takes a lot of shots (bad ones too), misses the wide open ones also. He needs to improve in order to get that much money. Monta got a 66 million dollar for 6 year contract last season and to me, he’s not even worth it. So why would Randolph’s agent demand such a huge price for a 2nd year player who comes off the bench for one of the worst teams in the league? Randolph could be a starter, but if hes’ coming off the bench, then there must be something going wrong.
by DubsFan408 on Dec 19, 2009 1:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
This is unacceptable
I remember some guys saying we are better team and we should win 40 games blah blah. I guess they had been siping on a strong kool aid. Personally, I knew this season would be either worst or at best just like last year. Therefore, its pointless to start thinking about trading this guy or that guy to improve our record this year. Our best asset is Monta Ellis, he should be traded along with Maggette. We are paying 11 mil and close to 9 mil for a starter and a role player not a pernial all star player. Learn and see how teams like Grizzles and Thunders are functioning and managing their roster. I would rather start from scratch, offer the Knicks Ellis for Lee and Robinson, Beans, AR and Maggette for TMac, CJ for Ryan Anderson, Claxton and R Bell contract plus a future pick for Caron Butler (heard they wanna get rid of cap space). My point is trade everyone except Morrow, Curry, Buike and I dont think anyone would take Wright’s contract unless we get a bad contract like Banks from Toronto which is just as bad. This team is pathetic and they will keep losing even if Beans and Turiaf are back healthy. Stop with the excuses. At one time, stupid GM Mullin signed Adonal, Dunleavy and Murphy for top contracts, those problems got fixed with Jackson and Harrington coming in, having Maggette and Ellis as our franchise players wont result in wins, we need to start from scratch, free up cap space, get some good players with one more year left in their contract and start rebuilding. Fire Nelson, get a motivational leader like Bryon Scott. These are the changes we need, not waiting for AR to develop or wait for Ellis to become an all-star, stop dreaming. We are the second last in the Western converence division and fourth or fifth last team in the whole NBA. No wonder we cant win when we have so many delusional fans who believe that one player who leads the NBA in turnovers can resurrect this franchise or an arrogant kid who wins in summer league can someday become a Superstar player. Stop dreaming and take the red pill, truth is out there.
Waaaarriors
by puffylove on Dec 19, 2009 5:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
get some good players with one more year left in their contract and start rebuilding.
Why does it matter if they’re good if they only have one year left on their contracts and you want to rebuild?
I dont think anyone would take Wright’s contract unless we get a bad contract like Banks from Toronto which is just as bad
Wow… Wright’s contract is far from bad. Have you even looked at it?
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 19, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember some guys saying we are better team and we should win 40 games blah blah. I guess they had been siping on a strong kool aid.
Or maybe we’re missing our best big men, something we couldn’t predict before the season? Yes, playing Maggette at the 4 and 5 hurts us. If you don’t think getting Biedrins and Turiaf back will help this team tremendously, I have to say, there’s no way you’re watching those games. What was the rebounding margin vs. the Sixers, for instance? 57-26 or something? Missing those guys is making a huge difference.
by Missing Barry on Dec 20, 2009 11:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the type of post that prevents me from regularly visiting this blog.
Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, tearing up Scottsdale, and has been alive long enough to see the Warriors make the playoffs once.
by BrianBokake on Dec 20, 2009 2:49 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
If Randolph gets traded..
He well average 28.3 points, 14 rebounds, and 3 blocks per game against the warriors.
by GSWeri on Dec 20, 2009 2:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Randolph is a JOKE
98% of you are WAY over-value-ing AR. Here’s the checklist of his attributes:
1 – Athlethic
2 – Long
3 – Good Rebounder
4 – Good Shot Blocker
5 – Erratic Jumper that’s slow to get off
6 – Delusions of grandeur – about his skill set NOW
7 – 1.5 years with the team and still doesn’t know the plays
8 – Head Case
so he’s 50/50, good potential, bad promise.
potential – great physical attributes and skills
promise – mental make up to actually put the skills together into a good NBA game
As long as teams around the league think he has the promise to realize his potential, then his stock is high. But the more he acts like he deserves more PT despite making turnovers, not knowing the plays, and continues to play selfishly – taking dumb 18 footers, then his stock will plummet quickly.
I think the W’s think he may be a long term head case and they have to get some value for him before he implodes his value.
by joegiant on Dec 20, 2009 7:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The dumb 18-footers: Don has him taking those. As it stands they are probably the most polished part of his offensive game; he just needs to stop taking them off balance/out of rhythm.
It’s ridiculous for you to claim other people are irrationally overvaluing AR- when your own post starts with “Randolph is a JOKE” and hardly substantiates that bold comment.
by antihero on Dec 21, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We might as well trade Anthony Randolph for a plastic bag and some Ruffles is what your saying?
by J Smooth on Dec 21, 2009 7:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
How about Randolph to the Warriors for Anthony Randolph. Maybe we can get them to toss in a future pick.
by jae on Dec 21, 2009 7:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Zach Randolph for Anthony Randolph?
I don’t really get the statement
by DubsFan408 on Dec 22, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Anthony Randolph for Anthony Randolph. Anthony Randolph is still the sort of young talent who has shown some actual ability play that a lousy team in rebuilding mode needs to try to scoop up. Why don’t we trade for someone like him! I know we’d probably have to part with Randolph to get a player like Anthony Randolph back, but maybe we can throw in a pick to ourselves.
It’s a joke. I’m just getting tired of the mystic trade proposals that pop up whenever there’s a hint of a rumor.
by jae on Dec 22, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Coach Singletary said it best...
“Can’t do it! Won’t do it!”
Type the words RUN TMC in Ebay!
Type the words RUN TMC in Ebay!
Type the words RUN TMC in Ebay!
Type the words RUN TMC in Ebay!
Type the words RUN TMC in Ebay!
by JonDoe on Dec 22, 2009 10:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
nellie's aloser
and what both he AND singletary can’t and won’t do is WIN.
by nelliehater on Dec 22, 2009 5:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Little suggestion – try making statements that actually mean something next time….
by Missing Barry on Dec 22, 2009 6:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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