What Bosh could open up for the Warriors
by ARandolph on Dec 2, 2009 3:08 PM PST
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Hey fellow GSOMer's,
I have been thinking and chewing about this for a while, it may sound absurd at first but try to stay open minded as you read on...
Between Amare and Bosh who could be FA's at season end, Bosh in my opinion is the one who would most likely leave his current team which would make the Raptors more motivated to trade him now and get something in return rather than just losing him. Now, IF we were able to negotiate a package of Biedrins/Buike/Claxton for Bosh, of course with Bosh's consent that he would resign with the Warriors.
Would the Warriors actually have a good chance at getting LeBron when he opts out of his contract at season end?
Before you start laughing, think about this. The Warriors would have everything that the Knicks were trying to build in order to get LeBron.... Getting Bosh was the biggest asset to sign LeBron, we would have that. LeBron likes Steph Curry and sees the potential in him, we would have that. A big market with lots of fans and $$ to make for the NBA, we would definitely have that. A shot at the title, I would say with LeBron, Bosh, Monta and Curry. We turn instantly to a championship contender.
I understand management and Nellie is an issue and is not something that LeBron would really want to come to but this might be bigger than that, it would be about a group of talented players contending for a championship. Imagine a team of Steph, Monta, LeBron, AR, Bosh..... that puts us right up there with the lakers and celtics. I would even go as far as saying it might be LeBron's BEST chance at getting a title unless he joins the lakers or celtics which will be almost impossible.
What do you guys think....please elaborate your answer to more than just "LeBron aint coming here"
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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Why must we lose games so that delusion can set it on the warriors faithful. Seriously!!!! If the Raptors are trading Bosh, they will command more than Beidrins and two injured players. You would be hard-pressed to make that deal happen even if we throw in our number one draft pick.
Secondly, Lebron a warrior, NEVER. Stop it!!!! We don’t have enough money to get him. And we have one of the worst front offices in the game. Why would he want to come here. I mean it sounds wonderful and a feel good story, but it is unlikely and near impossible
by shooter1525 on Dec 2, 2009 3:52 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
you think they would? If they are positive bosh will walk, a young efficient center on long term contract who’d compliment there other big (who is afraid of the pain) + about 7 mil in cap space would be very appealing.
I doubt other teams can top the offer unless teams like NJ Nets or Memphis trade Lopez/Gasol + cap room. They’re gonna want a big who plays inside to compliment bargnani, unless of course they can get a star like Broy or CP3 or something (which won’t happen)
Invalid argument
They are not certain Bosh will walk. There has been no indication either way what he will do. And I don’t think they will jump at the opportunity to get an injured azibuike, an injured beidrins, and an injured speedy. It just doesn’t look that good.
Beidrins although a decent player is not as good as Chris Bosh. Also to make this even more frustrating. There is no way Bosh would agree to sign with the Warriors before he sees what his market value is. Just not a good deal for us
Seriously!!!! If the Raptors are trading Bosh, they will command more than Beidrins and two injured players. You would be hard-pressed to make that deal happen even if we throw in our number one draft pick.
I disagree. I think this is a bad deal for us. 4.5 years of Biedrins+financial flexibility > .5 year of Bosh. I don’t see why Bosh would prefer to stay here over Toronto so I guess what I find most unrealistic about this scenario is the “of course with Bosh’s consent that he would resign with the Warriors.”
Secondly, Lebron a warrior, NEVER. Stop it!!!!
Yea, I agree with you there.
Thing A
Lebron will never happen
Never Never Never Never.
by andrisBthousand on Dec 2, 2009 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
Re: I don’t see why Bosh would prefer to stay here over Toronto...
What makes you think he would prefer Toronto over here? As much as I like Canada for their health care and cleanliness, they don’t have much appeal. They’re not much better than us and they play in the East, and we do have a bigger market and fanbase. What we don’t have is good ownership/management though. Besides, I don’t see Lebron coming here even IF Bosh was here.
Geeez Louf*ckingweeez!!!
by scottiepimppen on Dec 2, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
Lebron to the Dubs
If true, there would have be a conspiracy of JFK proportions to pull it off.
A Sonics fan without a team... but after 6 seasons now of GS Warriors season tickets have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.
Excuse me while I take my position at the white picket fence!
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by BritWarriorGSW on Dec 3, 2009 4:11 AM PST up reply actions
Lebron would never happen. Bosh would probably never happen…But Bosh alone coming here is at least a SLIGHT possibility. Lebron coming here is ZERO possibility (unless, of course, Ellison buys the Warriors).
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True, but
the idea ofmorrowanyone @ the 2 w/montaanyone, lebron and bosh is very nice :D
There will be no extra point!
the idea ofmorrowanyone @ the 2 w/montaanyone, lebron andboshanyone is very nice :D
Thing A
by sam23 on Dec 2, 2009 6:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That sounds like the Cavs as currently constructed.
Hahaha
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
The problem is this...
IF Bosh came its for a half season. Lets say best case scenario, when we get him we aren’t out of it. We make a push and sneak in at 7th or 8th seed (with the start we’ve had and i’m assuming a deal wouldn’t be made it’ll closer to the deadline it’s very unlikely that’d even be feasible).
At that point, lets assume we do it again! pull the first round upset (if we are the 8 seed, we are not upsetting Lakers, sorry guys. Bosh is great, but Odom Gasol + Bynum> Bosh).
Ok so we’ve made the improbably happen. And now its the summer, and all the big dogs come sniffing. NYK is promising him to team up with Lebron, the biggest star in basketball and potentially best player. It’s also in NYC, one of the most attractive cities. The Bay Area is great, but Bosh is not a west coast guy. He’s from Texas. Perhaps he’d pass up NYC for a Houston or Dallas opportunity cause it’s his home. Add to it any agent will steer there client to NY if possible for marketing opportunities. I doubt Oakland>NYC.
Second and more likely IMO, Miami comes calling. Dwade has proven he can win it if he has help. Miami is without a doubt one of the most attractive cities to fun loving guys. DWade is a superstar, Monta Ellis is not.
Do you really think he’ll pass on Miami or NYC for Warriors? I’m not even bringing Chicago, NJ Nets (owned by Jay-Z who could come into the mix being as they have 30 mil+ in cap room), Houston, and others.
If he had been in Oakland for a couple years, grown found of the area, the fans. Had some success, enough to think we’re on the right track! Then yeah he might stay, but he won’t if he comes here mid season. Remember we couldn’t even keep Baron after the whole “We Believe” period. What makes you think Bosh stays?
I think you’re a bit negative on the Bay Area. It might not be the prime destination in the country but it’s definitely up there. There’s a reason property values are so high. Also, we didn’t keep Baron because he’s from LA and the Clippers offered him way more money than he’s worth…
by Missing Barry on Dec 2, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
i think my point is
chance to play with wade in miami or lebron in nyc is more appealing, especially since he doesn’t have a strong connection with Bay Area (like i said, if he’d have been here 2 or 3 years, it’d be different… but we’re talking a 4 month rental who has pretty much outwardly said he wants to test waters.)
Well that’s a fair point, it just came out (in my opinion) as sounding more along the lines of the Bay Area can’t compete as a prime location with any of these other cities, which just isn’t true….
Anyways, the most important point is: we do not have the cap space to sign a free agent this summer. Everyone got it? Good.
by Missing Barry on Dec 2, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
If we were to trade away the expirings of Claxton and Buike and re-sign Bosh and Morrow I think we might be looking at luxury tax, no?
Thing A
If we still had Biedrins we would be,
but if we swap Biedrins(and filler) for Bosh we would still be under the luxary line.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Dec 2, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t even know what the luxury tax is projected at but I’m talking salary cap – which is what matters when it comes to free agency…
by Missing Barry on Dec 2, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
LeBron and Wade cannot play together
They both ened the ball in their hands all the time. I know they cohabitated on the Olympic team, but that was a short run with superstar supporting cast, not an 82 game season with average players at the other positions.
LeBron will stay in Clevland because they haev the ability to pay him more money than anyone else and CLEV will secure another all star before next season starts – probably along with a new coach
by warriorsvictim on Dec 3, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
I won't lie......
But I wouldn’t want Lebron on the Dubs anyways. Everyone notices that he makes those around him better, but to me, he also seems to take away from those around him as well, or at least the guys on our team.
I honestly wouldn’t want him here.
I would rather have Beans over Bosh as well. Beans seems to do more of the little things. Bosh is an established player so he may look for his teammates to do those things for him. He’s also a pretty soft player and that’s the last thing we need in our front line right now.
But I wouldn’t want Lebron on the Dubs anyways.
Honestly….I think you should reevaluate this. Lebron is amazing. He’s brought his team into the finals almost single handedly, they’re good every year without a lot of support for Lebron. I mean, I get what you’re saying to a degree – we can look back a few years at Kobe and the way he shot too much and wasn’t doing what his team needed him to, but that quickly changed when he got more talent around him. At worst Lebron gives us a perennial playoff team, at best we put a little talent around him and we’re a championship contender every year. Given our lack of success under Cohan….I can’t see how Lebron isn’t the better option….
by Missing Barry on Dec 2, 2009 6:48 PM PST up reply actions
nellie would trade lebron for bargnani and hedo
Love there ability to spread the court!
so r u saying that
beans is any tougher than bosh?
by Morrow is wet!!! on Dec 2, 2009 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn’t want Lebron on the Dubs anyways.
Just to clarify: is this because, as a Warriors fan, you don’t want to see the Warriors improve, or because you don’t think acquiring LeBron would improve them? I’m not sure which is nuttier…
he also seems to take away from those around him as well, or at least the guys on our team.
True, he does seem to take away from the guys on our team… whenever he plays us.
As Richard Bey used to say, clutching his head, “where do they find you people????”
There will be no extra point!
No......
Of course I want this team to improve, but I want the team to improve with it’s current roster and maybe some nice added pieces along the way. Maybe it’s just me and I’m to attached to the current roster we have. The only reason I really wouldn’t want Lebron here is because he let’s his ego overshadow his game and people have taken notice to that sometimes.
by Richboievans on Dec 2, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
so you don’t think a point forward like lebron (who btw would be 2nd best rebounder, best passer and best defender immediately) can’t help us? you don’t think morrow would benefit from 10 open 3’s a game created by lebron who would find him? You don’t think biedrins and randolph would benefit from all the dump off passes lebron would give them? Do you watch him? If cleveland wasn’t so terrible he’d average 12 assists a game, if they played a higher tempo 15+. But I suppose even using the meager 8 apg he averages is awesome in comparison….
He shoots a super human 62.3 TS%
I’m actually willing to bet lebron + warriors (healthy of course) is a better team than cleveland + lebron.
Who the hell said any of that......
His ego is what pushes me away from a proposal like this.
Unless he’d want to take a back seat every now and then and were willing to let Monta and Curry operate with the ball in there hands, bring him over here. The thing is though, he seems like one of those guys that is VERY ball dominate.
by Richboievans on Dec 2, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
Unless he’d want to take a back seat every now and then and were willing to let Monta and Curry operate with the ball in there hands….
Lets see you’ve got Monta Ellis, Stephen Curry and LeBron James… now, which two guys have to “take a back seat”? Hint: LeBron isn’t one of them.
The thing is though, he seems like one of those guys that is VERY ball dominate.
Yea, I hate guys like LeBron who dominate the ball (and the other team) with all his efficient scoring and assists. Oh and I see two other potential problems, he also seems like a guy who rebounds his position well and has become a very good defender. Clearly thats not someone we want on this team.
Thing A
Oh and I see two other potential problems, he also seems like a guy who rebounds his position well and has become a very good defender.
+1, this is the Warriors, not the spurs, all defensive/rebounding efficiencies are unwelcome. What we need is more crawford/harrington type players. Maybe some Z-bo
You’re really judgmental on this whole “ego” thing considering it’s someone you don’t even know….
What we do know is Lebron is the best player in the NBA. His team wins games, mostly because he’s on their team. When he has the ball in his hands, very, very good things tend to happen. I just don’t see the point in caring about all this subjective interpretation of his emotions/character considering we don’t know him nor do we even know the effect it may or may not have on winning games….
by Missing Barry on Dec 3, 2009 7:45 AM PST up reply actions
LOL, it’s like you haven’t seen lebron play which is mind boggling to me.
Unless he’d want to take a back seat every now and then and were willing to let Monta and Curry operate with the ball in there hands, bring him over here.
He is ball dominant like most superstars but b NO means selfish, he spread the ball more than kobe, dwade, broy etc. When i think back to jordan and others they were no less ball dominant, ESPECIALLY when they were surrounded with average surrounding casts
LEbron has shown many times he’ll take back seat and let mo williams, delonte and others operate… problem is they can’t do much.
This is a general reply to all the ball dominance talk:
I don’t think LeBron really needs the ball in his hands to be good, but look at the players on that team. If you think Mo Williams is a great PG, you’d be mistaken. LeBron is the best ball handler and passer on that team, so he is basically their PG. Mo Williams is just a second shooting guard.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 3, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
I actually like Mo Williams, I think he’s underrated as a scorer, but you’re right, he’s not much of a creator for teammates, nor is anyone else on that team other than Lebron*…
Calling them not much of a creator is an understatement, as a collective group besides Lebron (and a healthy Shaq), they’re pretty awful at this.
by Missing Barry on Dec 3, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
There's no denying.......
Lebron has talent and I know that. Maybe it’s me though. I usually like the underdog persona that takes the league by storm. Kinda of like the We Believe Era.
Either way though, I don’t think he’d go to the Bay.
I usually like the underdog persona that takes the league by storm.
I’ll just settle for being the winner. I don’t even know what it feels like to expect 50 wins. Expect a deep playoff run. I’m 25 and in my conciousness as a warriors fan (basically since webber was drafted) we’ve always been ‘young’ ‘full of potential’ and a gigantic….
lol well its just funny...
what star (non PF/C) is not ball dominant. They are the star… of course you want ball in there hands. you think phil jackson said. “Michael! Scottie! stop hogging the ball, give it to steve kerr!”
A yes, why go for the best player in the NBA when you can have a mere good player instead….
by Missing Barry on Dec 2, 2009 7:39 PM PST up reply actions
That’s because they aren’t as good as Lebron. Fair to say they fill out the Top 5 along with Howard. Again, they are not as good as Lebron.
by Missing Barry on Dec 2, 2009 7:41 PM PST up reply actions
Ah you don’t think Dwight is good, either? Obviously a conversation with someone that isn’t very sensible isn’t going to get us anywhere. Have a good day. Or not. Doesn’t matter to me.
by Missing Barry on Dec 2, 2009 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
Yep
If you think Howard is a top 5 player than you are clearly very knowledgeable. Have a good night.
Clearing the field from irony … do you actually think neither LeBron nor Howard is in the Top 5 players in the NBA? Makes me perversely curious to see your “personal” Top 10…
There will be no extra point!
Lebron is, Howard isn't
Kobe
Wade
Cp3
Lebron
Dirk
Ah yes, I forgot the part where defense doesn’t matter. Seriously, Dirk over Howard? Honestly, I don’t even see where you would start to even attempt to make that case….
by Missing Barry on Dec 2, 2009 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
2 different q's
5 players i’d want most… he’d be there. but top 5 if i had 1 gae to play… i dunno garnett, duncan would be ahead of him
I guess it depends on the situation – obviously I can see a reasonable argument for Garnett and Duncan, especially if you’re talking a veteran team you’re trying to add one more piece to to make them a championship contender. If it was a team and I had to pick one of those 3 to build around, assuming there’s not much other talent so they’d have to carry the team, I’d probably go Dwight for 2 reasons – health and I think he can do more to open up the game for less talented teammates, he’s just such a force either on the block or on the pick and roll he can really make it easier for his teammates.
But yeah, I’d much rather have those two (and Howard) over Dirk…
by Missing Barry on Dec 2, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously? Dirk?
Just because he likes to take EVERY important shot and makes about 1/4 of them doesn’t put him in the top 5. Howard will beast on him any night.
by Throw up the Dub on Dec 3, 2009 8:22 AM PST up reply actions
I actually don't want Lebron either.
Not because I don’t think he talented and possibly the best player in the NBA. I just don’t like the guy :X I have no good excuse and I’m not saying I’d ever dump the Dubs if he joins our team but in his current state I just don’t really like him. I would welcome any of the previously mentioned players with open arms but I’d be apprehensive the first few months after a Lebron trade would happen. Of course, championships can change anything.
by GoldenStateGuerrero on Dec 3, 2009 12:04 AM PST reply actions
I'm sure there were people during the MJ era that didn't like him.
And disliked the idea of him being on their team. Not all elite players are one and the same. I can like MJ and not like Lebron. T.O. was a one time elite Wide Reciever but I know for certain not everyone was clamoring for him to be on their team. Tom Brady is an elite QB but many people west of New England thinks he’s a little girl. It’s not always about talent if you don’t like the guy. Like I said at the end of it all, championships for my team can and will change any opinion I have of him.
by GoldenStateGuerrero on Dec 3, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions
Like I said below, obviously as fans we all have our own rooting interests. I just can’t see any Clipper fan not wanting MJ on their team no matter how much they personally dislike him, anymore than I could see a Browns fan (or whatever other joke of an NFL franchise you want to use) rejecting Brady just because they don’t like him. That’s a pretty extreme position to take when the alternative is as bad as it is when you’re a Warriors fan….
by Missing Barry on Dec 3, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
As much as I acknowledge(d) MJ as great...
I loved rooting against MJ and never wanted him on my team. Then again, I like rooting for the underdog and teams that play well together, rather than stars. I want the Warriors to win tonight, but I’m very happy about what Houston is doing this year.
rooting for stars...
Rooting for stars usually leads to Stephen Jackson syndrome, where one guy thinks he has to be the man. Rooting for stars usually means jumping on the same bandwagon as everyone else – with that bandwagon changing as the popular conception of who is the greatest star changes. Rooting for stars often encourages a brand of basketball I don’t like playing or watching. Rooting for stars encourages reffing for stars, so the NBA tacitly (or perhaps overtly) encourages refs to allow Jordan to push off Byron Russel and Baron to plant his hand on Kirilenko’s face without a foul being called. Rooting for stars is accepting what is already good, rather than hoping for something better.
Jordan was good – great – perhaps the best ever. He was certainly better than anyone else I saw him play against. But I never liked his attitude and – much more so – never like that everyone else seemed to worship him. Don’t get me wrong, if I had been GM and had the chance to get him on my team I’d have to do it – he was that good. But, as a fan, I preferred to root to seem someone else come along and take him down a peg; it probably would have only motivated him to be better anyway.
As for LeBron, get him in a Warrior jersey as soon as possible (never actually going to happen.) He isn’t without faults and gets more than his fair share of star officiating, but I like watching him and haven’t been totally turned off by incessant proclamations that he is unquestionably the greatest ever (though it has been getting closer lately. What will I ever do if the Warriors ever have another Wilt Chamberlain?)
or, more succinctly
I guess the only “sane” thing is for everyone to be Lakers and Yankees fans. forget about all those other losers.
No, thats not what I'm saying at all...
I NEVER said that you should root for the teams with the biggest stars. I never said that you should root for the best teams.
I said that your crazy if you don’t want to have the best player of all time on your team. If the player was disgruntled or caused huge problems, then I could see it, but thats the only exception, and thats only some of the time. And I firmly stand by that.
Jordan was the Bulls. Jordan was the enemy. He was the oppressor, holding my team(s) down. Wanting him on my team would be admitting defeat, admitting he was better, unbeatable, and my team inferior. It would be giving in, crossing over to the dark side. The equivalent of cheering for a Dodger.
Then again, if the Warriors somehow had stolen Jordan from the Bulls, I might have warmed up to him rather quickly. Being a fan is about all kinds of emotions and ideas, but mostly fans like winning.
and Baron to plant his hand on Kirilenko’s face without a foul being called
You would complain about Baron dunking on Kirilenko….
by Missing Barry on Dec 4, 2009 7:03 AM PST up reply actions
It’s one of the most exciting dunks I’ve ever seen, but clearly there is a foul there one way or another. Having just recently watched a replay again, it is clear that it is AK moving into Baron’s way (rather than the photo that makes it look like AK is straight up and down.) In real time I was sitting next to my friend the Jazz fan, who spent the next two hours ranting that AK was straight up and down. It may have influenced my thinking. I rescind the example.
So Baron is clearly the star out of the two.
And you just said that he got fouled on that play and didn’t get the call. That sounds like the opposite of the star treatment that you were just complaining about…
And now my rescinded example gets turned into a counter example. I don’t recall whether Baron got the call or not on that dunk. I believe play stopped, but it may have been a timeout. Besides, I doubt even the most cynical critic (except perhaps a Jazz fan) would think the NBA had a preference between the two teams that year (the Jazz had Boozer and up and coming DWill vs the Warriors who were the Cinderella story. Either one is a marketing dream.)
The NBA is about entertainment. Refereeing is hard, so mistakes get made no matter what your intentions. I’m just saying that marketing, rule changes, etc. have been done to promote individual stars and often isolation offensive play. Plenty of people have suggested that this may even go so far as special referee treatment for stars and large market teams. Even if it does not rooting primarily for stars has resulted in a changed game – an often selfish, proud, individual version of what is supposed to be a team sport. The NBA is still amazing to watch and the teams that play well together often still outperform – it is the nature of the sport – but it is less entertaining to me because so many so often think it was just one man, not the team that made it happen. (I loved those Addidas(?) commercials a few years back.)
I actually forget if they called a foul or not on that play. Baron definitely got a T for lifting his jersey, though.
by Missing Barry on Dec 7, 2009 8:01 AM PST up reply actions
Look, we’re all fans, we all have players we like and dislike. For instance, I hate Andrei Kirilenko and never want him to be on the Warriors. Lebron James is just so good, though…he’d guarantee us a competitive franchise for however long he’s around. Given the alternative (1 playoff appearance in 15 years)…you really can’t make an exception because the good (actually being competitive) far outweighs the fact that you dislike him?
by Missing Barry on Dec 3, 2009 7:48 AM PST up reply actions
If you can get a player like LeBron, you do it, no ifs and or buts.
People who don’t want him must enjoy watching losing basketball.
This isn’t a player like Kobe, who is extremely talented but also can be a problem. This is the best player in the NBA, by far, coming into his prime.
That being said, it’s really hard to come up with a situation where we land him. Let’s hypothesize:
1) We fire Nellie, who does not have a great reputation with players around the league.
2) We trade for (and resign) Bosh. Say we give up Biedrins and Curry. I don’t make this trade without a deal in place for Bosh in advance, period.
All of a sudden we have a team that LeBron might like to play for … but we have no cap room. So we have to pull a sign-and-trade with Cleveland – of players they might actually want – that doesn’t gut our roster to the point where we’re no longer appealing to LeBron.
I mean, yes, it’d be great if Mags was the only key contributor in such a deal, but, no, Cleveland is probably prepared to let him walk rather than to just take that.
So Maybe we’re talking Mags and Randolph + expirings. In that case, we’re a very appealing team for LeBron (capable of trotting him out with Monta, Morrow, Bosh and Turiaf). But what if they say, throw in Monta too.
Now all of a sudden it’s a bit dicier a proposition, isn’t it? Again, we still do it in a heartbeat. But we’re much less appealing for LeBron.
And it begs the question: even if we could put an appealing cast around LeBron, and even if we could (via sign-and-trade) offer him more money than the Knicks or the Clips, are we considered an appealing destination? We’re not considered a large market team (fairly or unfairly) and we don’t have the marquee value of the Knicks, or the show-biz proximity of the Clippers. Assuming both of those trades would be considered acceptable to the other teams (which is a HUGE if) …
Does Lebron have any interest in coming to the bay?
I will say this, though: If somehow all of that happens, I will bet large amounts of money on an NBA lockout. :)
I completely agree.
Being guaranteed that your team will be a top 3 team for years to come far outweighs my dislike of Lebron. Championships can easily alter my perspective of him. I think we’re on the same page here so I don’t want to seem like I’m attacking you or being overtly defensive of my stance. Simply put, I’m a Lebron hater and will continue to be until he joins our team and I watch him transform our team into a Championship team before my eyes. I have no doubt in my mind, that if we were to acquire him, he will do just that.
by GoldenStateGuerrero on Dec 3, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
You would like the guy if he was putting up 30 points, 8 boards and 8 assists a night and playing lockdown defense for your team
by Throw up the Dub on Dec 3, 2009 8:34 AM PST up reply actions
IMPOSSIBLE
This thread doesnt matter because it is impossible. We wouldn’t have the cap space to re-sign Bosh and sign Lebron. Also, we might as well trade morrow and randolph if that was the idea because we wouldn’t be able to resign them
well we did find out that some people’s ideas on team building or player evaluation are so ridiculous that their opinions should be ignored in the future.
by homer simpson on Dec 3, 2009 7:40 AM PST up reply actions
Problem is, it’s hard to keep track. For me at least. Are you keeping a list?
There will be no extra point!
lol, good point.
usually though it’s restricted to outlandish Laker fan-like trade ideas that have little chance of happening (like the OP’s here). But this thread has some pretty insane ish.
by homer simpson on Dec 3, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously
there should be some sort of screening process for GSoM… this post is ridiculous. No way does Bosh resign with the W’s, a team no marquee star wants to come to right now. That includes Lebron. This will remain true until our front office is replace with something at least moderately competent.
I think the preferred nomenclature is “Spaniards.”
And: “gored.”
On topic: I’m not sure which is more ridiculous, the idea the LeBron will ever be a Warrior, or the fact that, in a fantasy scenario in which he deigned to move to the Bay, there are three separate GSoMers who would rather not have him.
I declare this thread officially “off the rails.”
There will be no extra point!
Yeah, this is really blowing my mind that Warriors fans could actually not want Lebron on the Warriors….
I mean if you’re the Lakers and you have Bynum, Gasol, Kobe, Odom already, fine…but given our franchise’s failure to give us competitive basketball to watch….really?
by Missing Barry on Dec 3, 2009 7:50 AM PST up reply actions
I believe it is actually Pamplona and yes....
Many idiots…do in fact end up on the horns of the bulls!
Here they allow bulls to run through the streets on a given day
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_of_the_Bulls
Not Bull fighting (which is a truly disgusting event IMHO) so I would not call this particular event “animal molesting” per say….
But yes….it was a mere picture to highlight the fail of Lebron coming to the bay…never gonna happen…
GSOM Blog Beast!
by BritWarriorGSW on Dec 3, 2009 8:52 AM PST up reply actions
What I’ve never understood is bull fighting doesn’t seem like it needs to be disgusting – I guess it seems to me like they could do it without killing the bull or castrating it or whatever other messed up stuff they do. Just remove that stuff, keep on doing it, and all of a sudden there’s nothing really wrong with it, right?
by Missing Barry on Dec 3, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Quite correct....
There is actually no need at all to kill the bulls, but alas it is allowed to continue. Personally I dont see anything different between having swords stuck into a bull repeatedly until it can barely stand as ay form or entertainment whatsover.
But I do appreciate the art of a bull fighter evading the bull, just without the need tostick something in the bull…i.e. evade it until it is too tire to run anymore….GAME OVER!…simple really… as it stands it is barbaric and has no place in modern society just as Dog fighting has no place in society..unfortunately… they stll remain.
qin… not exactly, from what I understand they are then used in the bull fights after…but yes the end result is still a dead bull.
GSOM Blog Beast!
by BritWarriorGSW on Dec 3, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
About the running with the bulls
Tell me why one of my closest friends from college was one of the idiots that got gored by the bull. His name is Marcus Wolf and I still make fun of him today about it.
http://www.kget.com/mostpopular/story/Local-man-gored-by-bull-in-Spain/fOR7S_Ptl06q4cUeuB5ynA.cspx
by Oracle Junkie on Dec 3, 2009 11:27 PM PST up reply actions
In answer to the question....
“What Bosh could open up for the Warriors?”
A number of answers could be given if we ask him nicely enough…
such as:
A bag of chips….
A new food stand in the car parks for pre-game noshing!
A local basketball court for kids…
A debate on why he would not want to come here…
A roof hatch to a loft space when we lose the ladders….
;)
GSOM Blog Beast!
Al Jefferson
Not sure he really fits this team, but I think he’s a great player and very underated. Let’s make a move for Al!
by Oakland Warriors on Dec 3, 2009 9:59 AM PST reply actions
Nah Al Jefferson is overrated, not underrated. He doesn’t do many things that actually help a team win. Offensively, he’s got nice moves and he scores points – but he doesn’t do it efficiently. If any other average player took those shots instead of Jefferson, the team would still score just as much. So his scoring isn’t really helping a whole lot. He’s a pretty terrible passer. He doesn’t play much D, on ball or off ball. The only thing he really does that’s useful is rebound – he’s above average at that (but still probably not as good as Biedrins or Randolph in this area).
by Missing Barry on Dec 3, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
Jefferson’s not nearly as good a rebounder as Biedrins. Even at his peak he wasn’t as good; and he’s been steadily declining, to the point where, this season, he isn’t even above average: 8.6 per 36 minutes. And, as you say, his offense is absurdly overrated. His .485 TS% this season is godawful; and his career mark of .535 is barely acceptable. Biedrins, by way of comparison, is a career .605. “But but but,” the cry goes, “Biedrins only scores on putbacks and dunks!” Right, because he’s smart enough to realize that shooting jumpers would hurt his team, and that we have other guys (Morrow, Curry, Buike, Monta, e.g.) much better suited to that task. You really want guys like Morrow (career .607 TS), Wright (.574) Kelenna (.557) and Monta (.546) losing touches to Al freaking Jefferson?
And let’s not even talk about Jefferson’s defense. Exhibit A: the Celtics and Timberwolves with Garnett instead of Jefferson.
I’m totally cool with moving Biedrins in the right deal. Al Jefferson, making 4/$54M for below-average performance, is not the right deal.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 3, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
Didn’t know his rebounding had fallen off this year. Given his history of 10.5-11ish rebounds/36, I’m going to chalk this year up to small sample size…
by Missing Barry on Dec 3, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
I think he’s a upgrade over Beans. I like Beans, but I think he’s just too soft. Gets manhandled by bulky Centers.
by Oakland Warriors on Dec 3, 2009 10:37 AM PST reply actions
How many good centers are there out there, though? And sure, Jefferson might have the strength to guard these guys, but at the end of the day, he’s not effective against them, either. Jefferson’s D is pretty not good…
by Missing Barry on Dec 3, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
He said “bulky” and not “good”. Beans gets manhandled by non-good centers that still have beef to them. Beans vs. any bulky center is like our guards vs. any guard. All these random guys in the NBA become Warrior Killers because we don’t match up well against them.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 3, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
I really think it’s a huge exaggeration that we get “killed” by the “bulky” centers out there. I don’t have stats in front of me, but I have a strong suspicion that on average, this simply isn’t true and it only seems true because you notice when it does happen and don’t take notice of all the times it doesn’t…
by Missing Barry on Dec 3, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
Biedrins, despite being “soft,” manages to pull rebounds at a much higher rate than Jefferson — in large part because he spends his time on court attacking the rim and crashing the glass, rather than parking his fat arse 12 feet from the hoop and launching inaccurate jumpers.
But yeah: Jefferson does have 25 extra pounds of flab on Biedrins. We know how much Nellie loves them “bulky” players…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 3, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
Can we never mention Al Jefferson again?
The guy is not made for our offense. We need someone mobile that has some post abilities, i.e. at worst case a healthy Brandan Wright?
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 3, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Beans
He’s been in the league for a few years now. Don’t you think he should have added a little weight and muscle by now?
by Oakland Warriors on Dec 3, 2009 10:41 AM PST reply actions
I can't believe some GSOMers has stooped low enough to say they don't want Lebron on this team
I wonder sometimes about people…
All I would like to see is ONE season without 5 (or more) injured players
Make it happen Riley asap :-)
Blame Tom Abdenour.
"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald
by WarriorForLife on Dec 3, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions
I;m going to go out on a limb and say Lebron is not coming here
Thank you Al Davis for Michael Crabtree!!!!!
I’m going to go out on a limb and say even if he wanted to, we do not have the cap space to make a reasonable offer to him.
by Missing Barry on Dec 3, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
I’m going to go out on limb and jump off.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 3, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
The day we end up getting Lebron James.
[ * 37 hours later * ]
The world blows up into smithereens.
Warriors fans all over the world: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! God…i thought you were a Warrior fan??? NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
-the end.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Dec 3, 2009 2:57 PM PST reply actions
Maybe we can look into trading for Tyrus Thomas
Perhaps he can flourish in Nellie’s system.
if we can give up little i'm 100% for
we are short @ the 4. And if he flops, he’s an expiring….
That is why I don't want his arrogance and cockiness over here.
That’s why he will NEVER be the player Kobe is.
That’s why he will NEVER be the player Kobe is.
True. Fortunately for him, he’s already significantly better than Kobe ever was.
Ah, GSoM. Thanks to a few of the ardent crackpots on this site, we now know that
Kobe Bryant >>> LeBron James
Monta Ellis >>> Kobe Bryant
Jamal Crawford >>> Monta Ellis
As Maxwell Smart used to say: “would ya believe…?”
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 4, 2009 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
Kobe is better than Lebron.
If you can’t admit that, well..you are not very smart.
Well, as always with silly statements like this, it depends what you mean by “better.” If you’re talking about some subjective measure (who looks cooler, is more stylish, has a hotter wife, etc.) sure, you can believe by you want. By any measure that relates to winning ballgames (WP, WP48, plus-minus, etc.), LeBron’s the more efficient, more productive, more valuable, better player right now — and it ain’t that close.
In fairness, the Kobe v. LeBron “debate” is probably a bit closer than the other two I noted. On the other hand, the Monta>Kobe and Crawford>Monta crackpots at least made some minimal effort to explain the rationale behind their opinions.
I mean, I may not be very smart, but I’m smart enough to see that tossing out wild claims with zero factual support (other than a cute l’il dig at the intelligence of anyone who disagrees with you) is not a path to interesting or fulfilling dialogue.
There will be no extra point!
Please...
You got to be kidding me right? You post one video of James in a moment of immaturity (or, more precisely, James responding to Noah’s immaturity) and say that’s why he’ll never be the player Kobe is (when Lebron is already greater player than Kobe is, or ever was)?
Ask guys like Raja Bell, Ron Artest, Shane Battier, Marko Jaric, Mike Bibby, Manu Ginobli, and Reggie Miller what kind of player Kobe is. Bryant has time and time again been listed as one of the NBA’s dirtiest players.
Yeah, Kobe’skilled. He’s talented. He’s one of the best players in the NBA. However, he’s not right now, though. That honor has to go to Lebron James, and I don’t even think it’s that close.
There's no way Kobe is better than Lebron
Even D-Wade is way better than Kobe.
by Loveisforfree on Dec 6, 2009 2:18 AM PST up reply actions
Now, because you didn’t properly link, I’m not going to check that out. But whatever your point is, I’m confused by your dislike of Lebron’s “arrogance and cockiness”, while simueltaneously advocating on Kobe’s behalf. Really? So Kobe isn’t arrogant and cocky? At least Lebron isn’t a rapist, right?
by Missing Barry on Dec 7, 2009 8:02 AM PST up reply actions
After the raptors play Orlando on Jan. 6th......
they will be somewhere between 16-20 or 13-23. By then if they are still the worst defensive team in the league they will be likely to start shopping Bosh. They are in the east so the playoffs will still be a possibility for them so they are gonna want players who can contribute right away.
Beans, Maggs, and our #1 is one option where we would get Bosh and A. Wright in return.(Final year of contract for Wright)
Maggs, Radmon, Ronny, and our #1 for Bosh and A. Johnson would also work.(final year of contract for Johnson)
Maggs, Radmon, Beans, and or #1 for Bosh, A. Johnson and R. Evans is possible.
I strongly believe if we get rid of Maggs and resign Bell we would have a tam that Bosh would wanna be a part of.
ME8, Curry, Watson
Ammo, Bell
Buike,
Randolph, Wright
Bosh, Beans or Ronny
We sign a couple free agents like a b/u small forward and another big(maybe keep Hunter) and we an extremely dangerous team that with Randolph and Ammos continued growth are top 4 potential in the west next season.
Was there something about Lebron signing with us in this post? smh, smh
Question
Have you guys seen any quote or report of LeBron liking Stephen Curry’s potential? Additionally, the numbers for adding Bosh and then adding LeBron .. I’m not sure the Warriors will have MAX money available if they keep Maggette and Monta. Just a thought.
PS Hi everyone :)
we do not have the cap space to sign a free agent this summer.
I said it twice in the beginning of the comments. We are unlikely to be under the cap this offseason, and even if we are, it will be by a very small amount. It’s not that we won’t have MAX money available. It’s that we won’t have ANY money available beyond the mid-level exception.
by Missing Barry on Dec 7, 2009 8:06 AM PST up reply actions
Pree sighting!!!
Hey man, good to see you stop by. Hope you are doing well.
p.s. Don’t be a stranger, this place misses your insight.
"I could be chasing an untamed ornithoid without cause."
Working on it
With all that is going on with the franchise, I’m having a hard time getting answers. I like to be rational .. but what if there isn’t so much rational stuff going on!?
lebron likes alot of people
He’s not coming to GSW for curry.
Building sandcastles in the sky
I hope the imaginary ocean doesn’t flatten you sandcastles when the tide rises.
Do you know how much hookers and blow Cohan have to send to Stern to get a LeBron, D-Wade or Bosh to Golden State? Knowing Cohan, he’ll end up sending 2 transvestites and a DVD of the movie Blow because it’s the same thing only much much cheaper.
I have a feeling LeBron will be playing with Wade next season either in Miami or maybe New York. Miami is very likely as they are able to lock up Wade long term and still have enough cap room for James, also Wade has already won a title before with just him and Shaq so that bodes well for the Heat. If James and Wade are in MIA then I think NY will settle for Bosh and likely Joe Johnson.
The Cavs will be horrible once LeBron leaves (unless they win it all this year or are able to get Wade) and the Eastern Conference should be crazy.
Win the inning.
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