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[T]he sky’s the limit on how I can use the guy and go to his strengths.

-- Golden State Warriors head coach Don Nelson on Anthony Randolph via MT's Nellie to Turn Randolph Loose

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Is this going to turn out badly?

As talented as he is, I don’t really want to see him out there trying to dribble the ball around and making risky passes. It all just seems like we’re setting him up for failure.

I can see this failed experiment as a future reason why we traded away our most promising prospect. I can practically see Nelson telling the media, “See! He couldn’t take his opponent off the dribble or initiate the offense! He’s no good, we had to trade him!”

Can’t Don Nelson just have him develop ONE go-to move in the post. He doesn’t have to turn him into Tim Duncan, but he should at least be a viable scoring threat on offense.

I’m excited if Randolph actually does get more playing time as a result of this. I just don’t think the idea of Anthony Randolph as a point forward is taking advantage of his talents.

"We Deserve"

by YaHeard on Dec 21, 2009 7:15 PM PST reply actions  

Nellie teaching post moves?

Don’t get your hopes up.

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"

by dubzfan on Dec 21, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions  

it's sad isn't it

Andrew Bynum was just as raw as Randolph when he came into the league, and now he has a nice assortment of go-to post moves. Something is telling me that Randolph’s young developing game is in the wrong coach’s hands..

"We Deserve"

by YaHeard on Dec 21, 2009 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

No doubt

If AR doesn’t live up to his potential we know who’s fault that is for not developing him.

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"

by dubzfan on Dec 21, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

? Bynum wasn’t as raw as Randolph in the post. He only played 338 minutes as a rookie, but at least had a drop step.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2C8RoMAVeE

Most of his highlights are of dunks & blocks, but 2nd year.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2t5jr_andrew-bynum-200607-highlight-video_sport

Fans always point to Jabbar, but Jabbar also worked with Olowokandi & Jerome James. He’s probably too busy trying to teach them the sky hook.
2:20 in, i have yet to see Bynum shoot a sky hook.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_ykyPHSYhM

by homer simpson on Dec 21, 2009 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

my point is that Bynum too was a big gumbo of length, size, and awkwardness when he came into the league. Many people couldn’t imagine him doing the things he’s doing now back when he entered the league.

What Don Nelson is trying to do now with Randolph is limiting his ceiling of effectiveness on the offensive end. Having him out on the perimeter handling the ball, shooting jumpers and initiating the offense? What’s his ceiling doing that? Lamar Odom? Odom’s good and all. But why not try to develop Randolph into something dominant. At least try. He’s still young and mold-able. Like play-doh.

"We Deserve"

by YaHeard on Dec 21, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions  

At least try.

How do you know they haven’t? I’d wager they probably have – they have brought in a 2nd big man coach (Scott Roth – who worked with Dirk, Pau & Thabeet) (to aide Russ Turner – Duncan, Songaila, Stanford bigs Madsen, Collins brothers).

POB & Bynum have worked on the sky hook for years – doesn’t mean they have the ability to eventually get good at it. Randolph may not ever have an effective post game. If you recall, JRich was supposedly gonna be a post up beast learning from Mitch Richmond… didn’t really turn out that way.

the one time i saw AR try a baby hook shot this season it looked worse than POB’s sky hook.

again. Bynum already had a drop step, a great spin move both ways & a hook shot before he got to the NBA. He needed refining with his footwork, elbows, angles, positioning, keeping the ball high and whatnot, but the tools for a post game were there.

Andris has spent years tweaking his form & shooting jumpers – doesn’t mean he’ll ever be a good jump shooter. JRich works tirelessly on his handles – doesn’t mean they’ll improve. Randolph could be working constantly on his baby hook shot – doesn’t mean he has the ability to make it with any consistency. let alone vs NBA defenders.

Maggette spent years improving his range (which he has improved greatly). but just b/c Maggette has 3 pt range doesn’t mean he should be shooting them. AR is probably working on his post game with coach Turner &/or Roth and it might have improved – but it’s obviously not something that’s effective in practice or that he has any confidence in or we’d have seen him use it in a game.

by homer simpson on Dec 21, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Wish we still had Clifford Ray.

Maybe AR can join his Big Man’s Camp in the offseason.

Romes Mac Mojous

by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Dec 22, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Andrew Bynum was just as raw as Randolph when he came into the league, and now he has a nice assortment of go-to post moves. Something is telling me that Randolph’s young developing game is in the wrong coach’s hands..

The responsibility for this kind of development is really on the player, not the coach. Post moves are like shooting – most of the improvement/refinement comes from repetition. This is the type of thing a player has to spend hours every day over the course of entire offseasons if they really want to become effective at the NBA level. If Randolph wants to develop a post game, it’s on him. Coaching plays some role, of course – Don Nelson should be establishing what he expects out of Randolph – but as of now, there’s nothing to indicate Randolph has ever put much work into his post moves…

by Missing Barry on Dec 22, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Great quote from Randolph

and he has a point: if he’s playing point forward, he won’t be getting many rebounds, so everyone would have to pitch in to help rebound.

by IQofaWarrior on Dec 21, 2009 7:36 PM PST reply actions  

he won’t be getting many rebounds,

this is offensive rebounds and the W’s are hardly getting any of those in the 1st place.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats?sort=orr&seasonType=2&league=nba&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fhollinger%2fteamstats%3fsort%3dorr%26seasonType%3d2%26league%3dnba

hopefully AB improves this. last season they were 18th collecting 26.1% of available offensive rebounds (vs last in the league this year at 20.3%).

by homer simpson on Dec 21, 2009 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

HOLEEE MOLEEE

Sorry for the hijack, but Tyreke and the Kings just came back to win after being down 35 in the third quarter??

Well done, Kings. Not well done, Bulls.

On topic: Kevin Garnett should always be the model for Rudolf, imo. Refine the post game and the spot up J, develop the face-up and post passing skills — but always stay focused on rebounding and D. And do not fall in love with dribbling and/or shooting from beyond 18 feet.

Off topic (again): whatever happened to Skep?

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 21, 2009 8:18 PM PST reply actions  

Nellie’s plan to turn AR into the next Troy Murphy are right on schedule.

If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.

by cybermaldonado on Dec 21, 2009 10:00 PM PST reply actions  

Depends what type of dominant you prefer

Dirk is PF and dominates from outside in. At the post, he has a turn around jump shot and few moves to drive to the hoop.

AR can be good without classic post moves.

by JSML on Dec 22, 2009 12:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Nellie is not an idiot.

I’m sure he feels the restlessness of the fan base. I’m sure he recognizes that the team’s current state puts his shot at the career wins mark in jeopardy. Perhaps he recognizes that having Randolph go elsewhere and become a star would be a black mark of his career’s epitath.

Whether he thinks this is the best basketball move? Who knows.

by Ronaldinho on Dec 21, 2009 11:07 PM PST reply actions  

He’s really got nothing to lose. This team isn’t good enough to win more than 20 some games anyway. If it works he looks like a genius. If it doesn’t, he can just blame Randolph’s youth and say the experience was invaluable for Randolph.

by homer simpson on Dec 21, 2009 11:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I could see

Randolph as a versatile 4/3 once his shot improves. He can already dribble. I see Wright more as the hook shot dropping lank close to the basket.

Anthony Randoph for Most Improved Player

by danielholl on Dec 22, 2009 12:32 AM PST reply actions  

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