RECAP: Warriors 108, Grizzlies 121 - Life without Monta?

The battle of the Randolphs quickly gave way to what I saw as a bigger story line: life without Monta. No, this isn't about the trade rumors circulating about the Warriors supposed liquidation, a liquidation that might be equivalent to a dollar store going out of business. But with ZBo's domination not just of Randolph but almost everyone who tried to guard him, the second quarter Grizzlies steamrolling of the Warriors with Monta sitting out with foul trouble made me think, "If the Warriors traded Monta, this team might be really difficult to watch...even more so than they can be now." The 15 point swing that ended the half with the Warriors down 10 showed us some troubling signs about the current make-up of this team.
This isn't to say that Monta is our savior or that he's completely untradeable. You can tell by watching the last few Warrior games that the team is a complete work in progress as we're beginning to see different players take on different roles with and without the ball. But watching a game where Monta didn't log 40+ minutes shows us how much more work this team needs to put in to stay competitive with or without Andris Biedrins, Ronny Turiaf, and Kelenna Azubuike.
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(A kick to the groin couldn't stop ZBo! He is unstoppable baby!)
Life without Monta in the second quarter showed us what happens when your team is comprised mostly of unseasoned rookies, bloody-raw talent, and bargain bin players. Don't get me wrong, the Warriors, for the most part, are all lovable and have potential if they figure things out. But the second quarter domination, which we should just called "Z-Bo time," showed the quick unraveling of this team without a clear floor leader to corral the troops.
The second quarter seemed to sum up all that has gone wrong: a stalled offense with very little movement, slippages in defensive intensity, poor perimeter shooting, and even worse interior defense. ZBo was literally unstoppable as no one was able to put a body on him. For some reason the green-light came on and he just continually attacked at will (33 points and 6 offensive boards). Both DeMarre Carroll (+25 what!??) and Sam Young out muscled and out hustled Anthony Randolph and Vladimir Radmanovic on several occasions, with one particular sequence standing out where Sam Young went baseline trying to dunk on Randolph, leaving him sprawled on the floor. It was nice to see Randolph showing no fear, but it was also disheartening to see the replays of Sam Young bopping Randolph on the head as he tried to throw it down.

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But if that wasn't frustrating enough, there were also the frozen half court sets where each Warrior on the floor seemed to want to take 5 dribbles, thinking they could take the man off the dribble, only to pass away when they realized it was futile. Curry, Morrow, and Watson are all culprits to the idle dribbling and poor shot-selection that is not making good use of the shot-clock.
What happened to the give and go between Maggette and Curry in the first quarter? What about the one play in the first quarter that was replayed about 5 times where Monta set up Curry who set up Hunter who set up RadVlad for the dunk? I understand that teams learn to make adjustments but it seemed like once Monta stepped off the floor, this team struggled to initiate anything, even if Monta wasn't the sole initiator of the offense to begin with? Is it a confidence issue? Is the team trying to find a way to score and be effective even if their leading scorer isn't on the floor?
At any rate, the game was difficult to watch. It wasn't necessarily difficult to watch given how much they struggled. It's difficult to watch given how you can visibly see a lot of frustration in the body language from almost player and you wonder if this team even likes each other. At one point in the first quarter, RadVlad threw up his arms when Monta directed him to clear the side. When a poor offensive sequence happens, such as Randolph chucking a 20-footer on a fast break which clangs hard off the back iron, you can see Curry in the corner of the screen with his shoulders slumped for a second as he trots back on defense. The typically stoic Monta Ellis has become extremely riled up to the point of looking like he wanted to fight the ref after getting called for a foul, only to have Chris Hunter bear hug him. It's clearly a team that's struggling and it shows. As calm as Anthony Randolph looks on the court, I also feel bad for him as he's always falling on the ground getting hammered inside by multiple bigs. I mean, it's his job to defend the hoop, but at some point you just feel bad for a 20 year old who wearily gets up after getting banged around by men like Marc Gasol, Sam Young, and ZBo.
I'm not quite sure why I feel so sorry for the Warriors, but I do. And I want to be supportive as they navigate through the inconsistencies that come with increased injuries. For instance, today it was nice to see Chris Hunter finally showing us what he can do on the offensive and defensive end. His size, length in the interior was impressive as he bodied up bigs like Gasol and Randolph (in the first quarter at least). This all leads us to ....

I'm going to give it up to Chris Hunter. Not just because he was statistically impressive (14 points, 6 boards, and 3 blocks) but he also hustled a bit tonight too.
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When is the All Star break?...
Dont even know what to say at this point. We are just a bad team. The “WE BELIEVE” days seem like 10 years ago. Its getting harder and harder to watch my team get crushed every night by mediocre teams. Its not like the Memphis Grizzlies are one of the top teams in the NBA. I am probaby one of the biggest Warriors fans I know and have been for a long time but even I cant keep watching them get beat down like this. I dont know how to fix it at this point but does the front office really expect fans to keep showing up to watch what we saw last night. I know it wasnt a home game but still….
God Willing...
This is the Tough Medicine that We Need
I know the W’s are hard to watch, but this is the year we need to really get a star player (whether by draft or trade). Obviously we should keep Monta because he will be a great #2 but everyone else has to be considered for trade. Remember that the Spurs were terrible when they got Robinson/Duncan?
Let “WE BELIEVE” go – I was there but come on, it was one playoff series win. Talk to any basketball fan and they will tell you that we deserve higher expectations.
A top draft pick (top 3-4), young talent, and desirable contracts will get us where we need to go. We will have this at the end of the year. Instead of everyone focusing on getting rid of Maggs contract, we need to focus on getting star players, at any cost (even if we need to overpay).
by terryteagle on Dec 23, 2009 7:45 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
This is the Warriors your talking about...
All that said we are talking about the Warriors front office. We only overpay for mediocre players not superstars. That would just be crazy…LOL
God Willing...
Just Curious
At the time, did you consider Arenas and Brand mediocre when we extended offers?
I think he means that even if we offered superstars the money to come here, they turn us down. And that the only players that DO accept our offers are overpaid mediocre players (read: Maggette, Corey)
WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...
by JustSomeName on Dec 23, 2009 9:18 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "let we believe go"
In what way are fans still latching on to it? If you mean by keeping our players, we already traded away all our key We Believe players. If you mean by wanting to go back to the playoffs, isn’t that what you’re doing?
by GoldenStateGuerrero on Dec 23, 2009 8:31 AM PST up reply actions
What we're missing
This is what happened after Russell Westbrook missed a game-tying 3 at the buzzer vs. the Lakers:
Westbrook looked dismayed, then doubled over as if he’d just taken a body blow. Kevin Durant, who had watched the play unfold from the bench after fouling out with 1:31 remaining, was the first to reach Westbrook to give him a hug.
“I told him that was a great look,” Durant said. “He’ll have many more of those shots. I was proud of him for taking that shot, for getting that look. It happens that way sometimes. I’m here for him. We’re all a family here.”
http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-091222/daily-dime
we need that respect, like, continuity…
by bradyk2 on Dec 23, 2009 9:37 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I watched the game too
I think the true story is that if you take 3 centers off your team and play a team of size you are going to have problems winning. I think we are going to see a whole different team in a week when Beans and Rony are back and playing. Just look at who we are missing, Beans, Rony, Moore, Wright, Azibuke, who am I missing? 3 centers, one PF and One SF gone. Oh and Raja Bell. All of which are high minute critical players. Take those equivilant players off any team, even the Lakers and they would have problems too. Next week we will get a bit better, but I can imagine if we had a healthy, Wright, Azi, and Bell also? Looks like a playoff roster to me.
by Eschew Obfuscation on Dec 23, 2009 10:19 AM PST reply actions
We’ll see what happens to the Blazers now that they are missing Oden, Przybilla, Rudy Fernandez, Travis Outlaw, Batum, Pendergraph & Mills.
by homer simpson on Dec 23, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
You have to keep in mind that we traded healthy players for players that we knew were either not healthy, or not effective. The front office needs to spin those contracts for impact players, and thus far has been unable to do so.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Dec 23, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
The front office needs to spin those contracts for impact players, and thus far has been unable to do so
Not that I really have much faith that they will turn the expirings into real players of value, but the criticism that they haven’t been able to do so is premature. Bell is not yet eligible to be included in a trade package if I recall correctly. He’s a reasonably sized expiring deal and as such he could be a key part of any deal to come soon. The sort of deal that they can do once he’s available to be packaged changes rather substantially.
The 15 point swing that ended the half with the Warriors down 10 showed us some troubling signs about the current make-up of this team.
? The Warriors were down four when Monta left the game. They were outscored 10 to 4 in the final 3 minutes and that includes the buzzer beater. But during Monta’s earlier foul trouble, where he sat for nearly 9 minutes, the dubs increased the lead by 3 points.
every sane person knows this team would be worse with Monta. there’s no need to make stuff up.
We just need to take our medicine - get a top five pick (hopefully the top pick)
The W’s are a flawed team based on our injuries. Each year we are bad enough to be in the lottery but with no chance to get a very high pick. This really is the year to tank.
Next year we get back Wright and Buke to go with Monta and an experienced Step and a potential star through draft or trade – then there will be something real to work with.
The Warriors...`
shot 80% from the field in the 1st quarter and were up like 6 points. That right there should let all the fans know the state of this team. Our margin for error is zero and luck (bounce of the ball – blow of the whistle) needs to be on our side. Anyone who thinks this roster (in its current state) in underachieving is borderline delusional. I know I’m in the minority here – but I credit Nelson for trying to scheme his way into a few victories along the way with this non-NBA roster he is fielding on a nightly basis.
John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
by triplesix on Dec 23, 2009 11:36 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
You are absolutely right
When you can’t rebound and cannot defend the paint, you need to shoot a high percentage. When you are taking jump shots and 3 pointers, you just can’t consistently shoot a high percentage.
Here is the problem: when beans and turi come back, you will have a sub-.500 team at best which places us back in the lottery based on our current record. This does not get us a top 5 pick – look at New Jersey, etc.. It is better for us to suck/tank to make a material difference to our roster next year. Lets just not rush anyone back and let the kids play (step and randolph). Let them sink or swim so we know what we have for next year.
by terryteagle on Dec 23, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
When you can’t rebound and cannot defend the paint, you need to shoot a high percentage
Add that we need to win the turnover battle as well. The “we believe” team played reasonable defense at the end of the season that carried over some to the 48 win team, but it was predicated on steals and forced turnovers before the opposition had a chance to shoot. Get a steal and there’s no rebound to fail to get and no post defense to have to play. Baron and Jax, when properly motivated, were much better at putting pressure on guys to cause turnovers than anyone we’ve got suited up right now.
If something doesn’t change, I’m going to feel like Jack Nicholson, typing “no steals and no rebounds makes Golden State a bad team” over and over again.
Such an easy schedule...
PHO,BOS and LAL?
3-0 anyone?
by Cpt. Jack in the Box on Dec 23, 2009 6:01 PM PST reply actions
Mr. Fuzzylogic,
extremely well written recap. Thanks.

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