How to get John Wall. (or at least increase our odds significantly)
!Caution! Ridiculous trade proposal ahead
Many of the recent trade ideas and 2010-2011 season rosterbations that have appeared here lately have included John Wall. I think its fairly safe to say Wall will be the top pick in the draft next year and I think at least 95% of GSoMers would love to have him here. The problem is that the fans of almost all the other awful teams feel the same way about Wall and at least a couple of those teams are likely to finish with an even worse record, and thus better chance at Wall, than the Warriors.
The one exception among the league's bottom feeders might be the Nets. Despite a truly horrific start, the Nets are in a fairly unique situation as one of the few teams that could realistically attract a LeBron/Wade/Bosh type player in the offseason A new (possibly handpicked by the new players) coach, a new arena on the way (that now appears to be getting back on track despite delays) an intriguing ownership group, and playing around NY might be appealing enough to one of those guys. What would make NJ an even more attractive destination for any one of them would be the team's ability to sign two of them. I'm no cap expert but it appears to me that to clear enough room to sign two of the mega stars without asking either to take less than max money the Nets would still need to clear a large amount of salary cap.
To clear that kind of money and still have the pieces to convince 2 of the mega stars that they could compete for a championship in NJ the Nets would need a handful of extremely cheap but talented pieces. Obviously the best way to find that is with young players. The only players NJ has signed beyond this year are Devin Harris, Keyon Dooling, Yi Jianlian, Eduardo Najera, Brook Lopez, Terrence Williams, Courtney Lee, and Chris Douglas Roberts. Harris is certainly young and talented (though he seems to have regressed a bit this year) but his contract may be big enough to prohibit signing two of those big free agents. Dooling, Yi, and Najera aren't the kind of players who are going to make LeBron start thinking dynasty. That leaves only Lopez, Williams, CDR, and Lee with Lopez looking like the only one of the group that could be a major contributor on a team with championship aspirations.
The Warriors can't offer the Nets a significant talent upgrade but they can offer enough expiring contracts to match up with all the Nets' long term money and a couple of young and inexpensive pieces in Curry and Randolph who are the type of players that could attract LeBron and Wade without having contracts big enough to inhibit the team from signing them. A deal that could potentially attract both sides would likely have to look something like:
Nets trade: 1st round pick (or perhaps just giving the Warriors the ability to swap picks after the lottery), Harris, T. Williams, Yi, Najera, Dooling.
Warriors trade: Randolph, Curry, expiring contracts (Claxton, George, Bell, Moore)
There are certainly some significant obstacles on both sides of this deal-
New Jersey-The Nets have to be confident enough in their ability to land more than one of those free agents that the risk/reward would outweigh their roughly 25% chance at Wall and the opportunity to have Harris and Wall plus some cap space. To me, even a 1 in 3 shot at running out a Curry/Wade/LeBron/Randolph/Lopez lineup is certainly worth it, but its not without major risks. The Nets could very easily never get any serious interest from any of the big 3 free agents and wind up overpaying guys like Joe Johnson and Carlos Boozer. A potential Curry/Johnson/Lee/Boozer/Lopez lineup without much depth or future financial flexibility is probably not going to convince NJ to trade away Harris plus their shot at Wall.
Golden State-The Warriors have to be sure that John Wall (or two other players in this draft) is the kind of talent worth sacrificing their two most tradable assets for. They must also recognize that even after this trade they are extremely unlikely to enter the lottery with a better than 2 in 5 shot at getting the top pick via the lottery. Even if the Warriors and Nets wound up with the two worst records in the league their chances of landing the top pick in the draft would be less than 50/50. Losing the lottery and trading up to get Wall doesn't seem likely at this point. The team would also be sacrificing their financial flexibility for several years to come. While they aren't likely to have any money to spend in free agency this year anyway, dumping all their expiring money for longer term commitments a relatively uninspiring group of players would pose a significant risk to management and ownership. Williams, Yi, Najera, and Harris are all players that could have some appeal to the Warriors (especially Nellie) but Harris is the only one of them that even approaches the "upside" of Curry or Randolph and he's already older and being paid a lot more than either of them. Even if the team struck lottery gold and landed Wall they'd have most of the payroll invested in 3 smallish guards who dominate the ball plus several other players (Maggette, Buike, Morrow) who aren't exactly pass-first types and they'd still be undersized and and an even worse rebounding team than they are now. Its unlikely that Harris, Monta and Wall could all coexist on the same team for more than one season. Unlike the Nets, this would not be last major move the team would need to make before they were even back thinking about the playoffs, but if Wall really is the true franchise type player so many think he is then its definitely a big step in the right direction.
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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Sam, it wouldn't make sense
to have Devin Harris, Monta Ellis, and John Wall on the same team.
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That’s a problem i would like to have. Other than the whole “Devin Harris doesn’t know how to pass the ball” issue, I don’t see any reason it wouldn’t work…
But seriously, you have 96 minutes a game from the 1 and 2 spot, you could play them each ~32 minutes per game, so you always only have two of them on the floor together….I really don’t see why it would be such a big deal. Why is there some stigma that PG’s can’t ever be effective off the ball?
by Missing Barry on Dec 23, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
I agree that there would probably be enough minutes to go around for at least one year while Wall is still a rookie and I think all 3 of those guys could have success off the ball despite the fact that none of them is really much of an outside shooter. But I am skeptical about a team having much success with three 6’3"ish players dominating the ball so much and likely taking such a huge % of the team’s shots. But its also not like either Monta or Harris should be impossible to trade.
Thing A
Yeah, I’m most worried about Harris’ contributions, he’d be the first one I’d ship out, I think. Wall is big/long/athletic enough to guard 2’s, and Monta is a fantastic offensive force off the ball (for instance, his best season was playing off the ball with Baron), but Harris seems to be kind of a bad fit for all that since his best attribute is his scoring, and without being able to shoot or move like Monta off the ball, he’s going to need the ball in his hands, combine that with his inability to pass well for a PG…and I don’t think he’d work out too well, but I think Monta/Wall have enough talent/versatility that they would work great in whatever role we put them in…
by Missing Barry on Dec 23, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
The problem we’d have by doing this trade is that it will essentially make us the 09-10 New Jersey Nets for a few years, minus Brook Lopez. We all know how well they’re faring right now, and without Lopez in the middle they are sure to be significantly worse. Biedrins can probably be an adequate match for Lopez’s board hoarding, but there’s obviously no inside scoring presence.
If we didn’t get Wall, then yea we’d probably be almost as bad. But Wall, Monta, Buike, Maggette, and Morrow are a lot better than the supporting cast NJ has around Harris and Lopez right now. If Maggette’s contract could be shipped out with either Monta or Harris for an ok big I think it would be a pretty solid team.
Thing A
In order for all this stuff to be possible, I think we’d have to see a philosophy change from Rowell/Cohan or an ownership change. Hopefully the latter.
Rowell, to his credit has already put us in tank mode anyway. Although they’re trying their hardest for us to avoid that.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
Yeah
Is John Wall that good? I haven’t had much time for watching College Bball…But I hear about him. Is he really that much of a player worth risking Randolph and Curry and take the contract of Harris?
I was pretty skeptical
about all the Wall hype 8 months ago, and I’ve really only seen him play 3 games and some assorted highlights since then, but I’m pretty much on the bandwagon.
Thing A
His play in college has been pretty impressive. If there were questions about his shooting, they seem to be evaporating. The “questions” still seem to revolve around his desire on defense, but I wonder how much of that is that in any review of a player, they have to find something to write in the “cons” section.
(I can imagine a Michael Jordan pros/cons. Pros: has drive and ability to do anything and be the greatest player of all time. Cons: cannot hit a curveball.)
by jae on Dec 23, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
College basketball is trash i'm sorry
How many really good players, is he really playing against, these are the same “kids” that Curry dropped 29 a game on, and a 6’8" Michael beasley went beast mode on for a whole season then came to the NBA, and turned into three point shooting wing player. My point is college bball comp level leaves a lot to be desired, I wont be sold till at least the tourney, and he sees some really good, motivated teams, in pressure situations.
He does get credit for performing well in the UNC & UCONN games.
by Duh Duh Man on Dec 24, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
if you’ve got a better way to evaluate college players, i’d love to hear it.
everyone is playing against that sort of competition, and wall stands out. it’s not as though wall is playing high schoolers and other top talents are playing in the euroleague. he looks better than every other college player right now, to the point where there’s not even a “who’s #1?” discussion. that’s nothing to sneeze at.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
What I'm comparing to
First of all I am comparing Wall’s game in college Vs college players, to his potential game in the pros. I am not comparing him to other college players I am comparing him to NBA players, the question was not who’s the best prospect clearly he is. Second, some people are saying that Jwall is the best thing since sliced bread, and will solve all our problems. I am simply pointing out the fact that because you drop good games against the likes of Rider, Sam Houston, and moorhead st, doesn’t mean that you will come into the league and dominate from the start.
And as far as evaluating ta
by Duh Duh Man on Dec 24, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
i don’t think anyone is saying that wall is going to come in and be in the MVP discussion, just that given how well he’s played in college and his amazing athletic gifts, he’s a pretty safe bet. he’ll be a very good NBA player and there’s nearly a consensus about that. that’s why he’s number one on every draft board.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
i agree
but you would have to admit that the top college bball talent has been diluted by the 1 and done mentality, so my point was how impressive is he really, when he’s playing against kids who aren’t on his same level?
The NBA is a different story, and that is all I am saying
by Duh Duh Man on Dec 24, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
oops, my bad
He performed well in the UNC & UCONN games if you discount the fact that he had 7TO’s in each game….
by Duh Duh Man on Dec 24, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
That would make Minnesota an intriguing team.
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
by cybermaldonado on Dec 23, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
If he’s worth slightly more than Randolph and slightly more than Curry, he’s worth Randolph + Curry. Not saying he is, necessarily (need to watch him a bit more before saying), but that’s the calculus you have to use when thinking about trades in the NBA. You get the best player in the deal = you win.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 23, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
I already think he's worth more than Curry.
But it could be just SNTS (shiny new toy syndrome). I suppose if we could land wall, I’d be willing to part with AR to facilitate a deal. But I have more than normal optimism that Brandan Wright can still be our PF of the future.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
We are also getting Devin Harris. He’s well paid and he just hasn’t been very good this year, but he did have a pretty good year last year and seems to be well thought of around the league. He seems like he would still have enough trade value to convince someone to take Maggette’s last three years with him. We take on quite a big of bad money in the NJ trade, but if the pick does turn into John Wall I think the odds are good we win the trade from the talent perspective. But if we wait til the lottery and NJ does get the 1st pick its unlikely they (or any other team that lands that pick) would make this type of trade. Its a big gamble, it just depends on how much you value Wall.
Thing A
If he’s the PG version of Kobe or Wade like draft experts make him out to be, then he is most definitely worth Randolph & Curry.
by homer simpson on Dec 23, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
+ we would have another high draft pick to get one of the quality bigs that is coming out this year.
This team needs to get better period. Even if we don’t land Wall in this scenario there is still a real good chance we get better.
"If God made us in his image then he must be dumb too, and a little ugly on the side."
Frank Zappa
It’s certainly interesting. But I don’t think it’s quite yet time to pull the trigger on something as desperate as this. Shaking up your time in the hopes that the lottery will hit you seems like the right play for a totally talent-starved team, but that ain’t us, as things stand. We have a moderate amount of talent, for which we can get good value in trades, if we showcase said talent properly. As much as I like Devin Harris, I’m not interested in punting on two high-upside guys over whom we have leverage for what might well be the #4 pick in a middling draft.
Ladies and gentlemen, your Golden State Worriers.
Wait...
If Minne did get the first pick, why would they draft another PG? But then again, this is the same team that drafted 2 PG’s in a row. I doubt they’ll draft Wall with Rubio coming back and Flynn/Sessions still being there, so if John Wall is worth giving up Randolph + Curry (yes, I know D-Harris is going to GS), then I say do it. I can’t really say that Wall is good because I’ve never seen him play, but if he’s worth the hype, then the Dubs should pull the trigger. 6’4 PG, he’s big enough to guard SG right? Perfect.
Typically in a draft
you take the best player available, not need.
see: Sam Bowie (who?) ahead of Michael Jordan, because Portland already had Clyde Drexler.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 24, 2009 4:51 AM PST up reply actions
If it wasn't clear, my point is that
Minnesota should take Wall and try to deal Rubio/Sessions/Flynn..
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 24, 2009 4:51 AM PST up reply actions
If we get Wall
We definitely need to trade Monta and/or Steph. Hopefully for a true swing or a good rebounding/defending big.
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i am not sold on John Wall
I’ve seen a couple of games, prolly just as many as the rest of you, and I’m not convinced he’s the answer. He does the same stuff we used to criticize monta for, take bad shots, make bad decisions, he’s a turnover machine (4.25 a game in college no less, Monta’s is 4.3 a game in the NBA, how is this a better solution) These are all things I have seen people rag on Curry and Monta for, and I’m pretty sure his defense it suspect, just because he’s been the best athlete on the floor.
But to be fair, he’s a very exciting player, with some fantastic skills, but these scenarios require too much risk to be worthwhile. Plus are problem this year has not been guard play, it’s been post defense and rebounding, so unless John Wall grows 6 inches and turns into Magic Johnson we will still be a crappy team, and you same dudes will be proposing trades to get rid of him for some other unrealistic quick fix. So yea, if we happen to get him that would be great, but this smells of desperation and haven’t we had enough that around here for the last 15 yrs.
No one thinks any one person, especially a rookie would be an "answer"
But drafting John Wall would be a huge plus for the Warriors. We have never had lottery luck and when we did we went with Joe Smith. The last ‘big’ pick we had was Chris Webber, and we all know how that ended.
John Wall will revitalize this franchise, period. It’ll give the Bay Area a new face of the NBA, Monta is not a franchise player at this point.
John Wall is by far a better player than Monta in terms of his tools. Wall has a huge wingspan, size, and athleticism. On the defensive side alone, Wall destroys Monta. In terms of PG skills as well, Wall is alot better than Monta. Wall passes as much as he shoots (.83/1 ratio) and is 3rd in collegiate ball with Asts/game. The offensive package is there also, as seen as his explosiveness. He’s the complete package.
Rebounding and Team Defense as a whole is our problem. Although Monta has approved on defense he’s still not even an average defender and we have Curry, Watson, and Morrow who are just as bad on defense.
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Come on Fam!!
But drafting John Wall would be a huge plus for the Warriors.
This is pretty obvious, of course it would be, I’m just saying how far do you go to get potential, do you trade your whole team? Trade Monta for John Wall? I wouldn’t do it.
Monta has been balling in the NBA, john Wall could ball in the NBA? I’m not trading a known 25 ppg commodity coming into the prime of his career for guy who hasn’t proven it yet, but I would consider it for an upgrade for Curry. So yea it would be good, but Wall for Monta no, Wall for Curry no doubt.
John Wall is by far a better player than Monta in terms of his tools.
Tools are overrated give me actual production. I am not against John Wall, just against predictable hyperbole. And Monta has been out there playing hard and dominating, he is not the problem the rest of the team is the issue.
if someone offered me john wall for monta ellis straight up, i wouldn’t hestitate to take that deal and then i’d go tell all my friends about the sucker GM who took my flawed, 3rd best player on a contender type and gave me a potential superstar.
i’m not sure a single NBA GM would value monta over wall. monta has not been dominating. he’s been scoring a lot, albeit not very efficiently, turning the ball over an insane amount for someone who can’t even rack up 5 assists per 36 minutes, and has been solidly average in most other aspects of the game. i’m very happy monta is on this team, but let’s not go crazy here. he’s not nearly as good as a lot of people are claiming he is.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
Come on Fam!!
and neither is John Wall…you don’t know how good wall is, so stop acting like you know. All I’m saying is give it some time. Let Wall play a whole season first before you throw Monta completely under the bus. And Monta has to score because we are pretty bad right now, and if we were winning you’d love his game. Just be realistic, base your takes in some form of reality.
you’re 100% right- i don’t know how good wall is going to be, but most scouts have a pretty good idea. he’s the real deal. he has all the tools and has been productive at kentucky. i actually think wall’s floor is about monta ellis’ level. he’s been amazing.
i really don’t think monta needs to score as much as he seems to believe he does. this team has other guys who can score: maggette, watson, curry, and morrow can all fill it up. it’s easy to give monta a free pass because the team is bad, but at this point, i’d say it’s fair to criticize his ball dominating ways. other guys can score, but he doesn’t pass. it’s a real problem.
if we were winning, we wouldn’t be surrounding monta ellis with a better supporting cast, monta ellis would be a part of the supporting cast. he’s not a star player.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
And Monta has to score because we are pretty bad right now, and if we were winning you’d love his game.
Evidence suggests that this sort of reasoning is rarely true. We are pretty bad right now, in part because Monta is shouldering more of the scoring load than he should or needs to. When balldominating guys who score a large fraction of their team’s points go down with injury, it is very often the case that the team finds a way to replace the points and does as well or better with better ball sharing. The perception that “no one else can score” is rarely the full reality.
Even with the team as constructed, we’d be better off if Monta shot a bit less and everyone else shot the ball a bit more.
So who's gonna replace these points?
I agree that Ellis should be a better teammate, and make better basketball plays, but it sounds like you are saying he is not a good player at all? Or that the team would be better if he wasn’t on it? Also, Morrow, Watson, and curry to a degree have been struggling, so where would those points come from. And while I dnt dispute the essence of your claim, my hunch Is the team has struggled not
because of anything monta is or isn’t doing, or
even any non post player, as we alll know. the struggles are more likely due to our lack of post player who can defend/score in the post
so it’s somewhat intriguing to me that people point to him as a problem that needs to be upgraded, rather than complimented.
by Duh Duh Man on Dec 24, 2009 3:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
but it sounds like you are saying he is not a good player at all?
You are misreading what I have said to a rather extreme degree. That is not what I’m saying at all.
I am rather astonished that you misread “e’d be better off if Monta shot a bit less and everyone else shot the ball a bit more.” and somehow perverted this into “he’s not a good player and we’d be better off without him.” That’s a pretty ridiculous conclusion to draw from what I actually wrote.
I am saying that he’s taking on too much of the offensive load and should have his shots curbed a bit. The 18-19 shots a game on average is too many and means that he’s taking several shots when he does not have a good look. Thos extra shots above the 14 or so that he averaged a couple of years ago tend to be bad shots, tend to be shots that he doesn’t make, tend to be shots where someone else on the team has a better look at the time. He should be shooting less, not none at all.
The “who’s going to replace the points” is the straw man that suggests that he should not score at all.
Nonetheless, in cases where high ppg, high vol, low efficiency scorers have left other teams’ lineups (e.g. Allen Iverson), “replacing the points” has rarely been a problem. It’s a narrow view to think of one player coming in and replacing it entirely. What happens is that several players all score a bit more, resuting in similar, and sometimes better overall results.
the struggles are more likely due to our lack of post player who can defend/score in the post
The struggles come from many things. Teams as bad as the Warriors rarely have only one problem. Post play is one big concern. A total inability to rebound and thus the lousy defense is another. Monta is by no means the only problem. However, they way he has often played this year, treating the game as if he was the only one on the court who should take a shot, is not helpful. It is another problem.
so it’s somewhat intriguing to me that people point to him as a problem that needs to be upgraded, rather than complimented.
I dont think that complimenting him will do anything except reinforce the bad habits.
Is this a joke?
I dont think that complimenting him will do anything except reinforce the bad habits.
Do you mean on the court, or in life? Cuz if you are that would be hella funny. The thought of personal compliments as a primary form of motivation, who thought compliment like these could be the key to our success.
“Like, Monta nice brown sweater”
“Monta, that chain is the bidness "
“Yea, that thing you and maggette do before the game is so motivating”
Or do you mean like complimenting his game by getting him, and established post player? Cuz that is what I meant.
Post play is one big concern. A total inability to rebound and thus the lousy defense is another
I would argue if you fix that problem, those other many problems you speak of would be diminished, at least enough to make us a moderately decent team. As you pointed out earlier scoring is not the issue.
Is this a joke?
Yes.
compliment ≠ complement.
Look it up!
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 25, 2009 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
hahaha
I’m an idiot. I will step down now.
Sleepy good stuff,
You have brought it all together for me
No hard feelings, I hope
Jae my apologies
And Monta has been out there playing hard and dominating
He has been scoring a lot of points, but I wouldn’t really call what he’s doing “dominating”, unless you mean “dominating the ball and shooting when he should be passing”. His play is consistent with leading scorer on a bad team but not with a top scorer on a good team. Could he be that guy? Maybe. But the negatives (not a real high scoring efficiency and far too many turnovers) prevent it from rating as “dominating” in the sense of a player who is going to help you win a lot of games.
True
But at this point, the devil i know is better than the devil I don’t. New toys always look better at christmas time
When the “Devil you know” is on pace to fail to win 30 games, there’s a reasonable chance that the devil you don’t know could be better.
So how is this all monta's fault
I was referring to John wall as compared to monta, as wall has not played an entire college season, not the team in general, of course the team needs to get better, but the question is how and when do we get better. And everyone is tradeable IMO, but for who
and what, and right now John wall is just unproven compared to monta at this point.
by Duh Duh Man on Dec 24, 2009 3:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
my two cents
sign joe johnson and andray blatche this off season and draft even turner or wesley johnson and were golden (no pun intended)
I wonder if Curry is reading this
Curry has been great for us… I don’t know why all you guys are saying that we should get Wall
Fear is the Mind Killer
Because if we have the opportunity to do so, you get the best player you can. I’ve been reasonably happy with Curry, but he’s far from the sort of player that should disuade you from picking up a top talent. If he’s the sort of player who is crushed by that, then he’s unlikely to do much in the league.
Wall may or may not be a star, but the consensus scouting last year suggested he was worth a very, very high pick based on what he’d shown in HS. What he’s done this year against better comp in college has done nothing but confirm that.
Drafting for need and passing on talent as a result will backfire time and time and time again. No one ever says “well, I’m glad we didn’t draft (fill in more talented player) because we really sured up a need with (less talented player).”
Aight,
So, your astonished and I’m a perverter, be easy…. Let’s smooth it out
On to what you said
When balldominating guys who score a large fraction of their team’s points go down with injury, it is t is very often the case that the team finds a way to replace the points and does as well or better with better ball sharing. The perception that "no one else can score" is rarely the full reality"
This where I got the opinion that you are saying that Monta is not necessarily needed on this team. Because if he is primarily a scorer and scoring can be easily replaced then ellis can be easily replaced, and therefore is not needed. That statement lead me to those questions. So you didn’t mean it that way I get it.
I agree with you, he needs more efficiency in his game, I said it in post in reponse to your post, and I even said I agree with you.
Curry Untouchable:
The kid is four years ahead of Nash already on the learning curve, in just 20 games he is where Nash got to on year 5….
2009-10 Statistics
PPG 12.1
RPG 3.80
APG 4.8
EFF+ 14.21
It’s conceivable that he winds up with 15 PPG, 4 RPG, 6 ASP with 2.5 SPG with 2TO…0.6 BBG
What’s wrong with that state line? it took Nash 5 years to get to that level…were on pace to see him develop into a 18 PPG with 5 RPG 8 APG in his second year at this rate of development…
Nash career line is 14.5 PPG, 2.9 RPG, 8.1 APG, 0.8 SPG, 2.74 TO, 0.1 BBG
No wonder Don is happy with Curry what’s not to like? He is well on his way to being a STAR……He is going to be an all time great for this team when it’s all said and done…
The problem with the Nash comparisons ...
Is that I don’t think the ability of a PG to make the offense runs smoothly is fully captured by their assist numbers.
You can have a player put up decent assist numbers because they dominate the ball, or you can have someone put up great assist numbers because they make the offense flow. Curry does appear to have the ability ot set up his teammates, but I’m not sure a purely statistical comparison really captures the effect Nash had at his peak.
we dont need wall
he’s the same type of player as monta and curry. i didn’t understand drafting curry but i believe he is starting to fit and wall, another pg, is the last thing we need. we need more people that can put the ball in the hoop, especially down low, not more people to pass the ball around. what it all boils down to is acquiring a great PF and a great SF. I think curry is going o develop as a good SG and monta is doing insanely good at the point. and when biedrins returns we’ll have our C back. as good as maggette has been as of late he isnt our future at PF we need someone like stoudemire. and as for SF we need someone that can do it all like a lebron type. i can dream cant i?
by nhlogan on Dec 27, 2009 2:17 PM PST reply actions

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