RUMOR: Warriors interested in Hornets forward David West + Monta Ellis "as untouchable as a player can be"
by Atma Brother ONE on Dec 24, 2009 12:42 PM PST
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FJ noted that even though the Dubs lost last night (again) they at least gave a good effort in NOLA. They get points in my book for that.
They could get even more points from me if they made some trades- QUICK.
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GSoM friend MT has the details about David West over at Inside the Warriors:
I've heard the Warriors have an interest in David West, but I wouldn't give up too much for him. He's still a pretty good player, but his best days seem behind him. Wednesday, he had a tough time scoring over Randolph. West is down nearly 5 points off his average from last season and more than a rebound. He still has a midrange though and he at least commands attention inside, so I still think he's a good fit.
The Hornets ownership has been rumored to be looking to cut payroll (not that they're in a unique position in today's NBA financial landscape), so maybe they're a natural trading partner for the Golden State Warriors injury exception/ expiring contract filled roster. Here's some possibilities that would save the Hornets money in the long run and put all those expiring contracts the Warriors have amassed to work:
- David West for Speedy Claxton, Devean George, and Mikki Moore ($7.6 million in expiring contracts)
- David West for Speedy Claxton, Devean George, and C.J. Watson ($7.8 million in expiring contracts)
- [After January 16, 2010] David West for Raja Bell, Devean George, and Mikki Moore ($7.7 million in expiring contracts)
- [After January 16, 2010] David West for Raja Bell, Devean George, and C.J. Watson ($7.9 million in expiring contracts)
There's also "the change of scenery swap" which would give the Warriors a one year shorter deal:
Options, options, options.
But is David West worth it?
Game
As MT astutely noted West is having a down year and his best years are probably in the past. That still doesn't mean he wouldn't be a nice piece for the Warriors. He would instantly step in and be their best scoring big man. West has an incredibly impressive arsenal of scoring moves in comparison to the Warriors bigs Andris Biedrins, Ronny Turiaf, Anthony Randolph, Brandan Wright (remember him?), Chris Hunter, and Mikki Moore who are pretty limited (which is a nice way of saying they're all rawer than sushi).
West never struck me as the most gifted athlete in the association, but rather as someone who was willing to put in the hard work to take his game to his personal apex. He's a savvy player and has done well for himself coming into the league as the 18th pick in the 2003 NBA Draft. Take a look at his career trajectory and you'll see a guy who impressively worked his way into a nearly 21 and 9 forward with dedication and commitment. It would be great to see that type of attitude rub off on the Dubs kiddie crew.
Truth be told I haven't watched West play all that extensively since the 2008 NBA Playoffs where the Hornets looked like they had next in the West (unfortunately that didn't exactly happen in 2009 and most likely won't happen in 2010). So I'll defer to the good folks over at At the Hive, the top Charlotte New Orleans Oklahoma City New Orleans Hornets spot for a deeper scouting report.
Contract
Let's put it this way. He's slotted to make less than Warriors small power forward (at least with all these injuries) Corey Maggette this year and the next. He has a player option to opt out for the 2011-2012 season where he would be taking a pay cut at $7.5 million (wouldn't you love to be able to call that a "pay cut"?). Point being, West has all the financial motivation to have a BIG year next season, so he can opt out for more greens (and we're not talking about collard).
He'll start off next season at the age of 30, so it's not like he's young. But it's not like the Warriors need to get any younger right now. They need to get better. His drop from 21 ppg to 16 ppg this season and slip for 8.5 rpg to 7.3 rpg are a cause for concern. If he could bump those up to maybe 18 and 8 those concerns would be alleviated. It's not like West relies purely on his athleticism to get his numbers, so here's hoping he ages well.
I can't say I have that many issues with the Warriors adding on his contract. Seems like money well spent, especially for this team.
So...
Also of note it looks like Mr. Moped is off the table in trade talks (for now):
A story in the Memphis Commercial Appeal on Wednesday referred to discussions between the Warriors and Grizzlies involving Monta Ellis. These discussions were a while ago, as the report said. Back when that stuff about Ellis' agent meeting with the Warriors, I was told the Warriors were definitely listening in regards to Ellis. A lot has changed since then. Now, Ellis, I'm told, is about as untouchable as a player can be.
No one on a 7-21 team should be untouchable, but that's another story for another time.
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I'll do it for all those expirings,
but I wouldn’t touch him if we have to give up any key pieces.
+2
He could be a great piece for us, but definitely not worth moving any of our key pieces or potential guys. Watson, George, Bell, maybe Maggs….everyone else better stay put unless we’re getting a bona fide all-star.
+3
But Im sure the hornets fans will hate us for giving them our garbage
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As long as we don’t move Ellis, Curry, AR, Wright, Andris, Buki, Turiaf for West….I’d be down for any of those trade scenarios.
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So if we keep, AR, BW, AB, Ronny, and aquire West....
Who gets the playing time?
Nellie will only play 3 or 4 big men a game. Plus chances are New Orleans wont change their best big man without getting a big man back.
Would you trade AB for Julian Wright and Posey?
Well
BW is out for season. Andris and Ronny (and BW) have frequent injury problems.
Randolph is still extremely raw and will take a couple years to develop.
West pretty much is past his prime and is on the decline. It’s not an awful situation, especially if Randolph could take some time at the SF (which Nellie would very much like to see).
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 24, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
You're such a homer.
You only want to keep those players because you like them.
by Cpt. Jack in the Box on Dec 24, 2009 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
uhhh
no, because they are worth more than West for our team. West is super overrated
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Brandan Wright?
I’d take West over Wright any day…and not because of Wright’s injuries.
by Cpt. Jack in the Box on Dec 25, 2009 2:42 AM PST up reply actions
You mean because he’s much older, much more expensive, has much less upside, and (when healthy) is a much less productive player?
Statistically speaking, the 29 year-old West is nowhere near as good as the 20/21 year-old Wright. As a skinny NBA rookie and soph, Wright scored much more efficiently (and roughly as much), rebounded better, blocked way more shots, and turned the ball over less than this year’s David West. And this was before taking what Nelson seemed to think was a rather large leap this preseason.
On West’s side of the ledger, he looks the part of a savvy vet, where Wright is skinny and has a funny face.
It’s really not close, even if you ignore salary and age. And if you factor in salary and age, and factor out injuries (as you just did), it should be a total no-brainer.
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by Sleepy Freud on Dec 25, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
I know Wright has more upside...
but Wright and Randolph is practically the same player,David West and Anthony Randolph as backups to each other would give us more choices.
by Cpt. Jack in the Box on Dec 25, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
Wright is a lot more offensively competent
and Randolph is a lot more defensively competent.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 25, 2009 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
they are VERY different players
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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 26, 2009 12:57 AM PST up reply actions
Close enough?
They both have length
They both can defend a decent level with Randolph having the edge when it comes to athleticism
OT:They are both left handed
They are both skinny fowards
they might be different as in…
Wright has a better developed offensive game. [ from what I’ve seen so far.]
by Cpt. Jack in the Box on Dec 26, 2009 1:25 AM PST up reply actions
What a shock
Atma took a cheap shot at Monta, never would of seen that coming
Can’t help but think West’s numbers would only drop off even more if he came to the Warriors. He’s been playing with arguably the best point guard in the game. No telling how many wide open looks West has gotten over the years as a result of Paul’s playmaking.
r u doubting Monta + CJs playmaking??!?!
I can’t help but thing we should try and make a move for michael Redd…. 17 mil a year but over in 2011. We could unload maggette… possibly get some talent w/ redd… like ilysova
i didn’t see a cheap shot in that piece. what’s wrong with saying “No one on a 7-21 team should be untouchable, but that’s another story for another time.”
plus, someone has to balance out the crazy amount of monta homerism coming out of this blog. it’s getting out of hand.
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There’s nothing wrong with saying that. No one is untradeable. I was referring to the stupid moped joke. It would be nice if he could ever get through a post without one. It’s really well past the time to move on.
I think it'd be a nice pick up....
If only the EC would be enough. I know no one wants to give up talent, but I’d throw Wright in if need be.
As for his #‘s dropping off, there’s no way. Being in Nellie’s system #’s get inflated dramatically by the pace of the game, which other teams in the league realize but leads some GSW fans to overvalue our own players.
I’m sure his #‘s would go up actually. He’s not that type of player that HAS to feed of a good PG(see Tyson Chandler), he’s a good pick and roll player true, but his strength being the Mid-range Jumper. He’d thrive in this system w/ Monta/Maggs attacking and dishing the way they do.
1 question and 1 point
despite deflating numbers….
1) do you think he can play our system? He’s not fast…
2) he would allow us to play Randolph more at center and be a weakside blocker
in 8 games w/o CP3 this year
34.9 mpg….. 49-121 40.4%…. 15.3 ppg, 7.5 rebs,
YEESH….. I’m not so sure i prefer that to an undersized maggette @ PF
Defense?
Anyone watch enough of this guy to make a judgment about the quality of his D?
"I could be chasing an untamed ornithoid without cause."
again
i’m not sure he’s a better post defender than maggette? not worse… but really moving maggette for him is a near lateral move in terms of win/loss. He is less efficient scorer, he’s even less assists per 36, though his presence in post area could open up more open shots for Curry, morrow etc.
Numbers dont tell the whole story.
I’m very convinced that West is a better fit for this team than Maggette is, even if Maggs is the more efficient scorer. We have enough offensive firepower and offensive efficiency, what we need is an inside presence, David West can bring that, Corey Maggette? Not so much. Oh, and by the way, you forgot one more stat, REBOUNDS! If I’m not mistaken, we are one of the league’s worst rebounding teams. West averages more rebounds than Maggette, and in our system, with the lack of rebounders, West’s rebounding numbers would surely inflate.
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by JustSomeName on Dec 24, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
actually their offensive efficiency sucks (but that’s b/c Monta’s been having a Jamal Crawford type season in terms of efficiency).
West averages more rebounds than Maggette
only b/c he plays more. their rebounding rate this season is 11.8% & per 36, they both avg 7.5 & 7.4 rebounds respectively.
and in our system, with the lack of rebounders, West’s rebounding numbers would surely inflate.doesn’t quite work like that. see Ronny, Vlad, Maggette, Crawford, Jack, Harrington, etc. none of their rebounding rates changed all that much from what their rates were while with other teams.
by homer simpson on Dec 24, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
I want to see us with a full roster before making a dumb trade.
Although a post guy would be nice.
I'm not very familiar with players outside of the Warriors to be honest
But judging by the comments about his game, I would go so far as not wanting to offer Watson for him. Might be down for some of the other options listed though.
by GoldenStateGuerrero on Dec 24, 2009 2:39 PM PST reply actions
Not trade CJ for an All Star forward?
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
by cybermaldonado on Dec 24, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
On paper a Curry/Monta/Morrow/West/Biedrins lineup with Watson/Maggette/Randolph/Turiaf off the bench seems like it should be a pretty good team. I suspect it will take more than just expiring contracts to get West and I doubt N.O. would have much interest in Maggette for West swap either. Maybe one of their bad contracts and West for Maggette and expiring contracts?
Thing A
Maybe one of their bad contracts and West for Maggette and expiring contracts?
James Posey?
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by JustSomeName on Dec 24, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
Or even Morris Peterson
But of the three, I’d take James Posey. If we were to take Peja+West, that would be 25 mil, and we’d need to give back at the minimum, 20 mil in contracts, which would most likely include Maggette, VladRad, and/or a combination of expirings.
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by JustSomeName on Dec 24, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
i'd take peja
only cause he is most useful, and again would be biggest cap flexibilty come 2011
Posey's contract is more of a nightmare because of its length.
I would be ok with taking back Peja’s contract in order to get West. Peja is overpaid, but he does become an expiring contract next season and has been reasonable productive this year.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Dec 25, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
i think he would fit here
he has good mid-range, and a good post game. only thing if dont like about him is his post defense is very soft, Maggs probably plays better post D although hes taller the Maggs. I would rather use our expiring contracts on a small forward or a shooting guard. we used to have a million swingmen now we have none, we have to play cj watson at shooting gaurd, this teams a joke..
Correct me if im worng but...
aren’t the Horents trying to build around Chris Paul and show him that management isn’t afraid of going out and spend cash? Wasn’t the whole Okafor-Chandler deal, management showing that they are prepared to spend in order to satisfy Paul?
Well if im wrong then, im doing 100% for this trade.
I'd do it in a heartbeat
If the Hornets want to take three broken players for a pretty decent big in West just to cut payroll, just show Larry Riley where to sign. Even if it takes Wright or Watson to get it done, it is well worth it. I think he would be a great fit for the Warriors.
The only way New Orleans is on board is if they get another PF out of the deal.
I’m down to give them, in order, Radmanovic, Wright, Turiaf. However their wishlist is probably starts with Randolph then Biedrins. To me, this deal is only worth making if we can keep AR, AB, and either Wright or Turiaf.
Turiaf, George, and Moore for West?
It would probably more likely be
Turiaf, Wright, and CJ or Morrow for West….
Turiaf and Wright is a deal I might do. I’d be hesitant to part with either CJ or Morrow, especially Morrow. I really want Randolph to still get minutes if we get West so I’m fine with him as pretty much the only backup who plays at both PF and C.
Thing A
CJ is gone next year
I’d give him up in basically any trade.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 24, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
That's exactly what I was thinking
The Hornets don’t have any other PF to replace West once they lose West. There is no other adequate big man on their roster and they are trying to get better to please Chris Paul not to piss him off. If we give them expirings like Bell, George and Moore, who plays PF for the Hornets? Ike Diogu?
by BayAreaFan123 on Dec 24, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
I think West has a bad back
Remember that back injury that West suffered in the playoffs against the Spurs 2 years ago? He’s never been the same player since. And he’s down closer to TWO rebounds a game since that season.
Having said that, obviously he would fill a great need for the Warriors. Though I’m not sure where that would leave Anthony Randolph. Oh wait, I do know: pouting.
If you twisted my arm, I’d trade Vlad Bad for him, straight up :>
meh
his per minute numbers last year look a whole lot like his career per minute numbers, I’m not really buying that. His rebounding numbers went down slightly, but everything else was almost identical to the year before. He hasn’t produced at quite the same level this year but I think you could write that off to small sample size if you wanted to.
Thing A
Well...
Unless he’s a much better defender than I remember him being then this won’t help us all that much. He’s a shade below average in his scoring efficiency and he’s not a particularly strong rebounder at the PF spot. Sure if they’ll take expiring contracts it would help us, but if they are looking for anything more then it’s probably not worth it. I’d like to see how a line-up of
PG: Monta
SG: Morrow
SF: Maggs
PF: West
C: Andris
With Curry, Randolph, Buike and Turiaf off the bench next year, but I doubt we can pick up West without giving up any of those parts. I might do Wright and expirings, just because it seems like he won’t ever work under Nelson.
"I could be chasing an untamed ornithoid without cause."
Honestly, Morrow might not be starting material
The guy is a great shooter, but can’t do a whole lot else. The Warriors will probably draft a wing next year who can start(ex. Wesley Johnson).
Morrow is definitely a bench player
His all around game still needs a lot of work.
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David West
West is not the answer and we have no shot at getting him. Why not sign the recently waived Shaun Livingston to play a little bit of defense next to Monta.
Why not sign the recently waived Shaun Livingston to play a little bit of defense next to Monta.
(1) b/c unless they get another hardship exception, they can’t add another player to their roster. (2) he probably doesn’t want to join another organization that resembles the Clippers. (3) he sucks. statistically, it looks like he’s not even an NBA caliber player anymore.
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by homer simpson on Dec 24, 2009 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
Trade
I’d like to see us at full strength before making any sort of moves. I like the team but would like to see Andris back to see if that will level the rebounding out a bit.
Do it!
If we can unload Claxton, George and Moore why not. We’d have a nice front court rotation which would allow Turiaf and Randolph to play their games without worrying about fouls. We’d have to figure something out for next season, but trading for West guarentee’s we reach Nelson’s magic number and can more easily dump him next season.
I would
like to see our whole roster play but if we can get West without giving up any key pieces to our future than why not. If it’s just West for George, Moore, and Claxton I would do that in a heart beat. We basically be giving up nothing for something.
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I'm gonna list 3 players. 2 of which r considered black holes of empty stats leading to losses...
Player A/ Player B/ Player C
2009 stats
PER: 16.1/21.6/18.9
Rebs: 7.5/10.9/9.9
TS%: .512/.556/.505
career
PER: 18.5/19.4/20.4
Rebs: 8.3/10.0/11.0
TS%: .535/.522/.535
Hint: West is the worst of the 3…. The other 2 are Z-bo and Harrington. On any other team he’d be viewed along w/ crawford and Z-bo. But since he plays w/ CP3 it’s overlooked how average/under-average he is…. I’d probably so maggette for west considering we’d cut ATLEAST one year and his contract goes down… but i am not excited by this as a move that gets us better….
correction
by Harrington i mean al jefferson. Dunno y i wrote harrington
What would happen to AR?
He’d be a reserve for a while but would West eventually move to the bench?
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
Trading for West makes no sense...
what will that do? Turn us into a 24 win team to a 30-34 win team this year? It will obviously mean less AR development and a 8th or 9th pick instead of a top 3-5 pick with a good shot at the John Wall / Derrick Favors sweepstakes…..He is also trending down and plays with the best pg in the league – not a good recipe for a team without a pass first / good point guard that is off to a 7-21 start. The dubs are already lottery bound this year and completely out of contention for the playoffs 28 games in…they need to play the young guys and try to move bad contracts and bring in guys at positions that isn’t occupied by one of our talented prospects…(i.e starting small forward).
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Dec 24, 2009 6:20 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I Agree with JB2KG
West is a second tier PF who can’t help the best PG in the league. How could he possibly help us?
How is David West going to help us?
Would we want to play him over Randolph, Wright, Turiaf, or Biedrins? All 4 of our guys are arguably better defensively and better on the boards than David West. Do we really want a big who is worse at defense and rebounding than the ones we already have??
"We Deserve"
Cuz Nellie would love to trade for a big with a sweet jumper
Who cares about post game, rebounding, or defense…
Why is he “Untouchable as a player can be”? Monta is a good player, but I wouldn’t say he’s untouchable. If an NBA team offered a player such as OJ Mayo, Shane Battier, Andre Miller, etc… for Monta along with a draft pick or an ‘okay’ player then I would take it. Like I said, Monta is a good player, has talent, and is still young. But he shouldn’t be untouchable. His scoring efficiency is low, he takes as much shots as LeBron does, his assist to turnover ratio is 5/4.3. In addition to that, he developed an attitude and whines when he gets a foul called on him. He only scores as much as he does because he takes most of the shots. Is he still the “best” player on the Dubs? Yes, but no one on the Warriors team should be untouchable. I don’t even know if the Warriors are in a rebuilding mode,or they just suck.
On to David West, if the price is right, then pull the trigger. If it involves someone like Randolph, then no. I really don’t know how that will work out considering there’s Randolph, Biedrins, Turiaf (those guys will probably still be there if they pulled off the trade). In my opinion, West is overrated. But he is still better than the big men on the Warriors team (for now?), so if they can get him for a nice price, then yeah, trade it.
by DubsFan408 on Dec 25, 2009 1:25 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Why is he "Untouchable as a player can be"?
Because it’s the Warriors. It’s like having homers run your team. Everyone is way overvalued.
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by Fantasy Junkie on Dec 25, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
Wrong Guy
I like West’s offensive game and his skills and size at the 4 would be welcome. But as stated above, West is not a great defensive player. The W’s need a player who does NOT need the ball in his hands, who plays D, and who can shoot 3s. I know he is not a power forward but a deal for a player like Shane Battier would result in more wins than another offensively skilled, defensively challenged player.
by UncleCliffy on Dec 25, 2009 9:39 AM PST via mobile reply actions
West isn't even that great of an offensive player
West is so overrated. If it wasn’t for playing with the number one PG in the game his numbers wouldn’t be where they are. He is LAZY. He settles for jump shots every time. Mark my words anyone who doesn’t see it now will realize if he puts on a Warriors uniform.
by Throw up the Dub on Dec 25, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
Monta
Who were the W’s thinking to trade Monta for? I would love to see Rudy in a W’s uniform and try to see if he can play the 2 alongside Curry….
Monta’s value is going up now that Jack flew the coup, he can showcase his game, but I like the size of Rudy and he’s 3 years in the league……The only reason they do the deal is they love Monta in Memphis..
We would have less holes to fill with Rudy at the 2 or 3…but would only do it on a sign and trade…maybe……..I’m a little worried how Monta is going to hold up with all the pressure and min…
monta + Mayo is a pretty good backcourt
mayo is a good passer and intelligent player. Big enough to guard SGs.
I wouldnt trade monta for rudy straight up though… even w/ an extension and that rudy’s younger…. simple cause i think you can get more for monta. And i’m a little skeptical of a guy on a carer year, though he is only 23
Rudy is a nice player
he’s a lot like Buike, actually.
We could get a lot better for him than Rudy.
Also- Rudy and Monta are the same age.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 25, 2009 11:28 PM PST up reply actions
chris paul is the new jason kidd
meaning David West owes chris paul some money for making him look good, just like ALOT of players (espically Mikki Moore) owe jason kidd money for making him look decent. Damn I hope this don’t happen.
David West is, like, the epitome of the type of player we should not be looking to acquire, even for expiring contracts. The last thing we need is another big contract devoted to a non-difference-maker. Do. Not. Want.
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Actually, based on his performance this season, he may well be a difference maker — between sucking and sucking worse. Even with best PG in the universe to set him up, he’s playing at a much, much lower level than Corey Maggette.
I’ll take door #3, Monty…
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by Sleepy Freud on Dec 25, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
Did you actually just say you’d rather have Corey Maggette than David West? Warrior homers never cease to amaze me with their lack of basketball sense.
by RowellMustGo on Dec 25, 2009 7:01 PM PST up reply actions
lol
career numbers per 36
Maggette/West
PPG: 20.1/17.7
Rebs: 6.3/8.3
APG: 2,7.2.0
TS%: .578/.535
PER: 18.1/18.5
It’s not that far off is it? Considering west is a PF, maggette is a SF. Maggette is a more efficient scorer and whats more disconcerting is west is a pf (thus should be more efficnet). Secondly West rebounds at an awful rate for PFs…..
So he isn’t an efficient scorer and rebounds poorly, and you want him @ PF? Yeah i’d probably trade maggette for him, but only for contract. Otherwise i don’t think it’ll lead to any more wins
Did you actually just say you’d rather have Corey Maggette than David West?
Actually, contracts being equal I would, as Corey is playing much better basketball right now. If you factor in West’s shorter and cheaper contract, I’d probably take West, but very unenthusiastically.
Of course, I wasn’t talking about whom I’d “rather have.” Some people never cease to amaze me with their lack of reading comprehension.
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by Sleepy Freud on Dec 25, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
R u commenters the same ones who go to games, supporting Cohan still?
OF COURSE you try to get West. David West is something that none of the current Warriors roster is….someone who’s been to an all star game. Someone with actual post moves / presence. He immediately will command attention in the post, which opens up the court for shooters like Morrow. He brings veteran maturity. Getting him for expirers would be the steal of the decade.
And yeah, Monta is not untouchable. Wasn’t Randolph untouchable just 2 min ago? My gosh, make up your severely confused mind, Warriors. No one on a 7-21 team should ever be “untouchable.”
If we can get Paul and West and we gotta give up some of our “maybeHopefully’s,” I’m ALL FOR IT.
I would give up Curry and Randolph + filler to get Paul & West.
a lineup that’d look something like…
Paul/Ellis/Azu/West/Biedrins =
playoffs and respect
I am so sick of the Warriors management and fans having their heads in the clouds. We need stars, we don’t need potential potentials. Get a clue Warrior fans.
that all star
scored 14 points on 46% shooting and 8 rebounds in 35 minutes w/ maggette and radmonovic guarding him. This is not the West of 3 years ago. He should write CP3 a thank you check for his huge contract.
point blank. CP3 is 1 of 5 best players in nba. If West was an actual star caliber PF, they would be a top 4 team in west, which they aren’t.
oh and FYI peja was an all star too
lets get him too.
You wouldn’t do the trade for expirers???
How do expirers help the GSW now
You wouldn’t do the trade for Maggette???
Or scrubs or BENCH players like Wright, Turiaf, Morrow, etc….
For you to compare West to Stojakovic, to base everything off 1 game, shows your lack of knowing what kind of player West is. You do realize the Warriors have ZERO players who provide what he provides.
I love how as soon as a player approaches the age of 30, he is automatically “on a downswing.” Tell that to players like Kidd and Nash. Nash, who won TWO MVPS while in his 30’s.
by RowellMustGo on Dec 25, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
You wouldn’t do the trade for expirers???
How do expirers help the GSW now
You wouldn’t do the trade for Maggette???
Or scrubs or BENCH players like Wright, Turiaf, Morrow, etc….
well expirers maybe. I would explore other options. The dubs are nowhere near winning now so a 29 year old declining player doesn’t help that much.
Maggette… probably, but it’s not THAT clear cut. Since west’s contract declines and is shorter yes… but we wouldn’t get better
Wright- NO. I still think he can be a stud and would have been a good power forward w/o injury. I cringe to think we let him go and he florishes . It’s the ultimate sell low- buy high.
Turiaf- probably, morrow- maybe
BTW Kidd and Nash are intelligent Point Guards, West is a big who NEEDS a pg to play well…
my end point: I don’t expect him to improve us….. Now CP3 is a different story. I’d trade every warrior plus my family for him. CP3 + 4 d leagues> Current dubs
as soon as a player approaches the age of 30, he is automatically "on a downswing."
It’s not automatic, but it’s West’s case, it certainly appears to be the case. He’s gone from a pretty good (but slightly overrated) player, to a pretty bad player. His production is below average for an NBA starting power forward.
There are about five distinct classes of player between Chris Paul and David West.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 25, 2009 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
If we can get Paul and West
Haha. Well done.
Here check this out…
OF COURSE you trade all your young talent and expiring contracts for Delonte West, you fools! We’re talking about a hard-nosed vet who played for a 66-win team last season!
If you idiots wouldn’t trade Randolph and Curry for Delonte West and LeBron, I don’t know what to tell you!
See what I did there?
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 25, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
To RowellMustGo
I agree w/ our general point, i just think you’re misguided in thinking West is a player who will help us. Maybe enamored w/ his name…
Quite simply… i’d explore options for guys like Carl Landry, Scola, M.Gasol way before David West (aside from the obvious names of Bosh and co…). For those guys i’d actually give up Randolph in a good package (not straight up… and probably not scola since hes 29 and expiring)….
And yes age does matter, majoirty of our team is young and a little away. getting a Big who is 29/30 doesn’t really help cause in 2 years when our team is looking good they most likly will be on major decline. How fast did webber fall from grace?
did you see todays sports paper 12/26/09
jay richardsons article on the last playoff team and how he loves the fans in oakland. he doesnt get why all the players who played on that team are not still together. he said we could have been a great team if management kept us together instead of back to square 1 . monta was a rookie and the last player of that team. if we quit trading away our good players then maybe we could have a good team. thanks warriors management for trading away a playoff team. now what dowe fans have to look forward to. more trades talks. i wonder about mullin, how he built that team with nellie. its tough being a warrior fan!
by sports with steve on Dec 26, 2009 8:48 AM PST reply actions
Jason Richardson, bless his soul, is not exactly an objective observer (though naturally I agree with his sweet comments about Warrior fans!)
Curry, Monta, Azubuike, Morrow, Wright, Randolph, Turiaf and Biedrins are the future of this team. It’s a bright future, imo — so long as the players get relatively healthy and the coaching staff comes up with a relatively consistent, sensible, and conventional rotation (i.e. one in which both the 4 and the 5 spots are populated by tall players who can rebound the ball).
Best of all: with all that young, cheap talent, a bunch of expiring contracts in our back pockets, and (thanks to some absurdly bad luck with injuries) a high draft pick in the offing, the possibility of landing an A-list stud in trade starts to become somewhat imaginable. CP3, Bosh, or Oden, anyone?
Cohan and Rowell still suck eggs, for sure, but I’m not sure they suck worse than, for example, Wycliff Grousbeck in Boston, who was constantly chastised and loathed for his commitment to losing .. till, thanks to a serendipitous combo of young talent and expiring contracts, he and Ainge happened upon that KG guy.
Things are really not as bleak they seem. This team may have the best combo of real, measurable talent, “upside,” and valuable trade pieces since the ’94 Webber team. By contrast, an aging core of BD, Richardson, Jackson, Pietrus, Barnes, and Harrington, had we kept it together, would have been nothing but an expensive one-way ticket to mediocrity for the foreseeable future.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 26, 2009 9:18 AM PST up reply actions
sorry for forgetting multi quote...
By contrast, an aging core of BD, Richardson, Jackson, Pietrus, Barnes, and Harrington, had we kept it together, would have been nothing but an expensive one-way ticket to mediocrity for the foreseeable future.
Possibly. Baron, Jrich, Jack, Harrington, Biedrins had a great chemistry. Monta, Barnes, buike and an added Big (Turiaf) would have given us a damn good rotation. I’m inclined to believe we still would have been probably a lower teir team in west, but it would have been nice to see.
I believe JRich would have been difference between 48 wins and 50 wins and making playoffs that year. It’s one more legitimate player to take pressure off…. You forget we got to 48 wins w/o JRich. 48 wins in all my years as a warriors fan was the BEST, since the 50 win CWeb rookie year.
There is also something to be said about JRich being the sole of the team, the lone warrior and the most professional could have helped curve the team from the hands of the ever stable stackjack.
Just saying as Warriors fans we deserved to see that team out. Who knows how it would have ended. There’s no denying baron, Jack, Harrington’s ups and down, and how when motivated they can play like all stars and when not, well we know… but theres also no denying the talent and ability to run the system perfectly.
Just saying, sure it wouldn’t win a championship, but a few playoff appearances and an identity for GSW would have been NICE
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