Trades That Work III
Cap room provides flexibility, where you can trade from a position of power, something that the W’s are never able to do. By the way, if we draft John Wall this year, and keep Curry, wouldn’t that retard Curry’s development even further? Has anyone stopped to think that if we do get the number one pick and draft John Wall we will have 3 pg's? Just putting that out there. If Steve Nash-err-I mean Stephen Curry is still on the team, and Monta Ellis as well, than who will have to sacrifice minutes?
Cap room also would allow the Warriors to take on players for next to nothing, like how the Thunder got Eric Maynor this past week and how the Grizzlies got Zach Randolph, the Clippers and Camby, etc. These trades will never happen to us because of Vladimir and Maggette contracts.
Let's say the W's headed into the offseason with $30 million in cap room. The draft comes first so hopefully we'll get a shot at Derrick Favors. If not, Evan Turner or Xavier Henry would be nice options. I like the kid from Syracuse as well. If John Wall is there, I would take him, because he has shown he has the ability to defend and he's athletic enough to guard bigger players. But I think Turner would fit perfectly with Monta. Either way we're in a win-win situation unless we fall out of the top 6.
So this is where we left off with those terrible trades. We would have two 1st round picks plus two 2nd round picks in a draft with plenty of big men and potential stars. Heading into the off-season we would have a payroll of just $22,736,660. Our roster heading into the draft would look like this:
|
5 |
PF |
24 |
6-8 |
250 |
LSU |
$4,000,000 |
|
|
7 |
SF |
26 |
6-5 |
220 |
Kentucky |
$3,100,000 |
|
|
8 |
Monta Ellis |
SG |
24 |
6-3 |
180 |
|
$11,000,000 |
|
22 |
SG |
24 |
6-5 |
210 |
Georgia Tech |
$736,420 |
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|
21 |
C |
26 |
6-10 |
250 |
Gonzaga |
$4,140,000 |
Morrow is a restricted free agent at the end of the year and I would be willing to match most offers he would receive that are within reason. That would also depend on who we get in the draft though.
The W’s probably won’t have a shot at D-Wade & Lebron but is that the only way to build a team? We will have realistic shots at:
Amar’e Stoudemire
Rudy Gay-Who would be an upgrade over Randolph
Sean Williams-The Randolph of the Nets, check this youtube clip if you don’t believe me. And he’ll come cheap.
With all of our cap room we would have the ability to sign all three of these players at the same time. Williams would provide the defense and rebounding, Rudy would be a perfect third option and we know what Amar’e can do.
If we do end up getting Favors than we don't need to offer Amar'e a contract. If we get Turner than we can offer Amar'e a max contract or maybe low ball him a bit and offer him $13-15 million a year. We then still have $15 million left to build with. I wouldn’t mind overpaying for Gay at this point if it made our lineup look like this:
PG-Monta Ellis-$11 million
SG-Evan Turner-$3 million
SF-Rudy Gay-$13 million
PF-Brandon Bass-$4 million
C-Amar’e Stoudemire-$16 million/Derrick Favors-$3 million
Bench:
Ronny Turiaf/Sean Williams-$4 million/$1.5 million
Anthony Morrow-$3-3.5 million
Kelenna Azubuike-$3.3 million
Javaris Crittenton-$1-2 million
2 second round picks for the final roster spots, plus that late 1st round pick that could be used as another trade chip or we take a flyer on him. You know, kinda like Monta or Gilbert.
Still have around $16 million left to sign Amar’e if we don’t get Derrick Favors. If the Grizz don’t match Rudy than I’m bringing back Morrow and calling it a day. The only difficulty is that we would have to play a little bit of a waiting game because Gay is a Restricted Free Agent. If we get Favors than that means no Evan Turner, but we’ll definitely get Gay as a result.
So let me do you guys a favor now and look at the worst case scenario lineup for next season.
Monta Ellis-$11 mill
Anthony Morrow-$3 mill
Evan Turner-$3 mill
Brandon Bass-$4 mill
Ronny Turiaf/Sean Williams-$4 mill, and $2 mill
1st round pick that we take a flyer on.
Azubuike-$3 mill
About $30 mill left in cap space.
At this point in time this is what your team will look like next year anyway. You’ll be hoping that Turner is the next Brandon Roy and that Curry goes from 12 & 5 to 15 & 7. This doesn’t sound to promising either. And finally for the grand finale, I’m hiring Brian Shaw. He spent the last 4 years learning from Phil Jackson, he’s young and he’s from Oakland so he’ll come cheap. Now that I have spelled out what the W’s should do, please, offer your criticisms. It’s what you guys are best at. I call myself Solutions because instead of complaining on blogs all day I actually try to come up with alternatives. Maybe I should change my name to "Hope" as in: I "hope" that Curry becomes Steve Nash! I "hope" that Randolph develops a post-game, puts on weight, and gets a jumper. I hope that they all stay with the Warriors forever and ever like all of our other stars from the past 20 years!"
Wow! Hoping is so much fun! I feel a lot better now about our 8-21 record.
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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Not gonna criticize you at all
The only thing I would say is that this type of overhaul seems impossible for the current regime, as it is my belief that the fanbase is too pissed to even remotely tolerate these moves from the cohan crowd. It would take a complete house cleaning for people to give the new GM/President/Owner any latitude to make these moves, or any moves that involves losing any young talent, as warriors fans have lost so many of them to bad decisions by management in the past.
I do like the brian shaw move, not for any other reason that I like brian shaw, and the fact he’s been on the lakers staff and he’s from Oakland.
can you stop making posts
these are nice efforts just pointless trolling.
Marco Belinelli's Biggest Fan
+1
Unrealistic, not any one move but they pay other people to jack up our roster and i didnt think it could be worse but if u were running it, it would. stop posting or at least consolidate it!
by IndubitableBayAreaGM on Dec 28, 2009 7:21 AM PST up reply actions
Amar'e Stoudemire
Does not want to be here.
Kids in the back seat cause accidents. Accidents in the back seat cause kids.
First of all, our chance of getting wall is definitely less than 25% and will probably end up at less than 10%.
Secondly, trading Randolph is just a moronic idea.
by HOLDEMUPGoldenStateOfOppression on Dec 28, 2009 12:35 AM PST reply actions
Amare vetoed trade we had in place over summer
management will claim they didn’t wanna give up curry. I believe they didn’t do it cause we couldn’t get an extension
Maybe I should change my name to “Hope” as in: I “hope” that Curry becomes Steve Nash! I “hope” that Randolph develops a post-game, puts on weight, and gets a jumper. I hope that they all stay with the Warriors forever and ever like all of our other stars from the past 20 years!"
The bolded part makes most sense. I can’t think of a single warrior in Cohan regime we have been able to keep. Everyone can site circumstances but ultimately it’s excuses of a weak and cheap management
Weak management? Yeah, but the circumstances for losing players has rarely been being too cheap. Management has overpaid for a host of players of various abilities who subsequently departed (Murphy, Dunleavy, Dampier, Fisher, Fortson, Foyle, Jax, Jamison) when it was clear that overpaying them was a problem all by itself.
when it was clear that overpaying them was a problem all by itself.
it seems to me they’ve always overpaid a good player, instead of paying an all star level player what he demands.
Well, paying an all-star level player what he deserves isn’t as simple as merely deciding to do this. There has to be a real opportunity. This means either a) having an all-star in house that you have to pay to keep or b) having cap room to get an all-star or c) swinging a trade that brings the all-star [requiring you have something to offer for that all-star. When did they drop the ball when one of these situations was actually present?
Unless we assume that the more fantastic rumors were reality, I don’t really see where management has shot down the opportunities to pay that mythological all-star. Garnett? I still contend that Boston just had a better deal with expirings to offer.
The closest to an all-star level who we did not pay was Baron, and frankly, what LAC offered, considering his injury history and age, was too steep for what he was likely to bring in future years. While perhaps things would have been different had he remained here, his play in LAC seems to suggest that he would have been another “overpaid for not an all-star”.
With Baron, he still had a player option for ~17 million and the rumor was that a ~3 year 11 million per was on the table. That would have made sense for both parties, and would not have been a cap eater down the line like his deal in LAC is. At the time I was against the extension, but in hindsight after seeing the team make foolish move after foolish move, it might have been a great deal for us to hang on to Baron at that price tag.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Dec 28, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
the rumor was that a ~3 year 11 million per was on the table.
Key word: rumor. I don’t think any of us actually know what offers were on the table and when. Those details are rather important and we’re really operating on guesswork and misinformation pushed by both sides to make them look better. While I think it’s highly probable that Warriors manage totally mangled any chance, I don’t think we have credible enough info to judge the actual dollar values in this case. I do know that if you’re factoring in the extension after the 17million per, that assumes that Baron was agreeable before he opted out and knew what the Clippers could offer.
not justifying his behavior
but I have reason to believe he wouldn’t have declined the way he has… Nellie’s system was ideal for him, and he essentially went to a team running a complete opposite system. Dumb mistake on his part? Certainly. But given his form from 2006 to 2008, 11 mil was not an overpay.
Then there’s also the aspect he revived basketball in the bay area and brought alot of noteriety to the Warriors that has since gone.
and i should say thats the part that bothers me the most....
the joke it made the warriors appear nationally
Unrealistic or not, here’s my problem with your scenario: Even if we have a ton of cap space, pick up Gay and Stoudemire, and draft Turner and Favors, I STILL don’t think that’s as good a team as one with Curry, Randolph, Biedrins, and Maggette. “Hope” is right—I hope even your optimistic overhaul doesn’t go down.
I can't beleive they are still letting you post?
Congrats on slipping by the mods and polluting this board with constant garbage!
by Eschew Obfuscation on Dec 28, 2009 10:25 AM PST reply actions
we are not trading Randolph
how you have been allowed to spam the board with these posts is beyond me
by randolphforpresident on Dec 28, 2009 10:42 AM PST reply actions
you're love of brandon bass upsets me
as does your continous push to trade randolph.
by nhlogan on Dec 28, 2009 11:07 AM PST reply actions
Sean Williams isn't very good.
I wouldn’t even think about comparing Randolph to Sean Williams.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
That's a great idea ...
if you have a time machine and we can go back and get 2002-3 T-Mac.
That guy was really good.

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