RECAP: Warriors 103, Celtics 99 - 2 Game WIN streak?
by R Dizzle on Dec 29, 2009 12:20 PM PST
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"Another upset?" is what I questioned in the open thread. "Another upset?" No, not possible. Never. Not against the Celtics. Not against the PASSIONATE Celtics that had just come off a buzzer-beater loss to Baron Davis and the Clippers (that's kind of weird to write). Not against "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE" Kevin Garnett and Rasheed "The Weed" Wallace. Not when the Celtics were looking to get their first win at the Roaracle since I don't know...2007?
No way, said I. No way could the Warriors with an injury depleted team defeat the likes of Rajon Rondo, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, and Rasheed Wallace. We got lucky the other years. A buzzer beater by Baron two years ago? A fluke of a game last year?
Man, oh man, do I enjoy being wrong.
Good to have him back...but terrible first game back. TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE first game back. Wildly ineffective, looked lost on his shooting and passing abilities and just didn't have the same kind of skils that he had before the injuries.
It's hard, real hard, to make a judgement call about his play last night. On the one hand, it was awful, shooting 0-4 ON SOME EASY SHOTS, but on the on the other hand, he was coming back from a major injury. For some reason or another, good ol' Coach Nelson thought it was a great idea to start him and The Radman together at the begining of the second half while we were ONLY DOWN 1 POINT.
Note to Coach Nelson - PLEASE DO NOT PLAY ANDRIS AND THE RADMAN TOGETHER. THANK YOU.
He just couldn't match up to KG or Kendrick Perkins. Both pretty big guys that hustle and play hard. So, that's fair...I guess? I don't know. Not really good to have your franchise center unable to play against the elite guys...
Anywyay, good to have Beans back, glad he got a roaring ovation, but let's hope he does better against the Lakers and Pau Gasol.
I want your love and I want your revengeYou and me could write a bad romanceI want your love and all your lover's revengeYou and me could write a bad romance.Caught in a bad romance.Caught in a bad romance.
Yeah I just quoted Lady Gaga (stupid kids and their music...) but that's what it is with this kid - a bad romance. One minute he's throwing down the thunderous jam, the next he's throwing a wild pass into the stands (that went faaaaarrrrrrr), the next he's grabbing a monster board over KG, and then he finishes it off with a dumb dumb dumb dumb DUMB shot from right next to the threw point line.
As Atma Brother #1 put it so eloquently last night,
There's a reason they're leaving him open on that shot.
It (whatever you want to refer to "it" as) is there - it just needs to be refined. At this point we can't make some silly claim like Lamar Odom and dub him a "Future Hall of Famer" or even the "next KG," BUT we can say this - he can be incredibly effective and efficient in limited minutes. In a big game like this where we stayed close, it was a wise decision for Coach Nelson not to play him all game.
Jamarcus Russell
I'm starting to feel sorry for this guy...
Good news - Corey Maggette doesn't get booed at home anymore.Bad news - JaMarcus Russell can't attend a Warriors game without getting booed.
Coming into tonight, I had never heard of this guy. Ray Allen? When I first saw an "Allen" step on the court, I thought it was Tony Allen. Boy was I impressed! This guy's got one of heck of a shot! Man, his stroke might be smoother than Ammo's! Wow man, wow.
Now I get that he's got a pretty good shot and can apparently score (24 points - wow) but I didn't qute understand why Coach Rivers decided to give it to him on the last few possesions when the game was on the line. He missed a critical 3 pointer AND messed up his free throw shots (didn't hit the backboard).
Really, Ray Allen? Come on man...give it to someone who can actually play in crunch time.
Ray Allen...name sounds so familiar...wasn't there a Ray Allen in a movie with Denzel Washington?
Started off waaaay coold, ended up MUY CALIENTE!!! (For my non-Spanish speaking friends, that means "very hot")
37 points doesn't really seem all that spectacular with Monta these days, but they came at clutch moments. He drove hard, played hard, and showed INTENSITY. Like KG intensity. Taking down 5 straight points to end the 3rd quarter (with a surprise 3 pointer) was no joke. Finishing the game with clutch free throws showed his development as a player and as the team leader.
"I felt the energy when I first came in the gym," Ellis said. "The last two games there's been something different. When you feel that energy, you've got to give the crowd something to cheer about."
Let me speak a bit about that "different feeling" Ellis got at the Roaracle the last two nights. Where did it come from? FROM ME! Yeah, I'm taking credit for it. In my first 2 games (I won't count the Wizards game seeing as though I wouldn't credit it as a real NBA game) back in the Roaracle, they won. Beating the Suns and the Celtics is no joke and you can credit to the man sitting in Section 107, Row 8, Seat 5. R Dizzle. Feel free to yell at me if we go on a losing streak til I come back.
I could be selfish and continue to credit myself for the victory. Instead, I'm going to bust it over to the Thief of the Night.
Go C.J! Cause that's my C.J.!
6 Steals in ONE QUARTER is absolutely absurd. Couple that with one more steal (7 total), 11 points, and 7 assists and you have one heck of a game for Mr. Watson. By no means am I going to make some silly claim like CJ's the best guy on our team, but he's been playing well, VERY WELL, for an undrafted player that we pulled out of the D-League.
if you haven't already, jump of to Tim Kawakami's blog to see the good word about my main C.J. Watson.
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Warriors’ top performer so far: C.J. Watson, according to the peripheral stats
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Warriors 103, Boston 99: If you want to believe, I’m not standing in your way
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Wow...
Hunter in that 1st picture makes Andris look like a small forward! I hope over time he will become the back-up Centre to Biedrins…
Biedrins/Hunter
Allowing Turiaf to play the 4 more to rest Randolph/spare some fouls..
Randolph/Turiaf
With then Magette as starting 3 with Morrow and Radman in rotation, until Buike gets back….
"Better a Has-been than a Never-was. But better a Never-was than a Never-tried-to-be"
by BritWarriorGSW on Dec 29, 2009 12:52 PM PST reply actions
I’d like to see Turiaf play the 4 as well, but I’m totally not at all sold on Hunter. It’s hard to say too much about him with extreme certainty in the limited time he’s had, but the results don’t suggest that he’s anything to worry about losing. For a big, he’s been a terrible rebounder, absurdly bad, and that’s with whatever “inflated” numbers one might expect him to have as (almost always) the lone big in the game when he’s on the court.
Add that since we’ve got him only by the league giving us 2-week at a time waivers on the contract maximum, it’s possible that he could be gone real soon. With Biedrins and Turiaf available, we’ll have a hard time convincing the league that we cannot field 8 healthy bodies and need to have the exception. Without him I count that we’ve now got 10 players who are available.
JaMarcus Russell
I’m not a Raider fan or anything, but come on guys…booing your “Quarterback of the Future” at a Warriors game? That’s kind of low…
Newsflash: JaMarcus Russell isn’t the quarterback of the future.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 29, 2009 1:21 PM PST reply actions
Maybe this is more appropriate for a Raiders board...
But it’s pretty much determined that he will not be starting in a Raiders uniform anytime soon…
A talented physical specimen….not a very good NFL QB… won’t be the first of his kind, nor the last…
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r dizzle?
what exactly did Radman do that was bad. I thought he played very good defense on KG so….
Marco Belinelli's Biggest Fan
I have yet to see anyone actually explain the hatred for Radman in basketball terms...
So I’m interested too….
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Expectations
Everyone expected Vlad to be a reliable long range shooter—somewhat justified, as he’s shooting well below his career 38% on threes (1-10 in the last five games). He’s also made some bonehead plays and missed some easy buckets under the rim. But he plays hard, tries to do the right thing, and his defense has been surprisingly solid IMO. He’s useful.
I think it's because
people thought he was a shooter (which his career shows he is ~40% 3pnter). He has come here as cold as it gets. I don’t think many people put enough stock in defense, which is something he has brought (very unexpectedly).
People need to cheer for him. Booing Jack was alright. Booing Corey a bit actually seems to have helped him concentrate on his bread and butter. But booing Vlad is just not a good thing, especially since he is really hustling on the boards and defense WHILE OUT OF POSITION.
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That makes sense that it's a matter of unmet expectations..
Going into a slump after a mid-season trade is not uncommon…especially for the Warriors…
Anybody remember Tom Gugliotta? That was an unmitigated disaster…
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"Is Anthony Randolph the "next KG?""
It’s hard to place AR right now in my opinion…
I think people forget that KG was not a factor on the perimeter at the beginning of his career at all. AR is probably ahead of him in shooting and ball handling outside the paint.
KG was just a little stronger in the post offensively and probably a better position defender (neither is saying much — his rookie season was solid, but by no means stellar).
I really don’t think it’s too much to say that we have a very, very unique talent on our hands in AR. There are emergent elements of both KG and Lamar Odom’s games in him…and if you can think back to 2003-04, he could be a much better version of Andrei Kirilenko in terms of filling the stat sheet.
Regardless, I think all of the uncertainty is reason to keep this man — he’s got all-star potential if he’s with a team that is willing to develop him and put complementary talent around him.
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by Nate Parham on Dec 29, 2009 1:53 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
if he’s with a team that is willing to develop him and put complementary talent around him.
I believe that it has been proven that this is exactly what Nelson and staff are doing. His erratic/ineffective play does not warrant him being on the floor at times – despite his and his agents protests. Players don’t get better by playing poorly over and over with no accountability. “Developing” a player requires consistent coaching and for all the flak that Nelson has received – he has been pretty consistent with his benching of AR when he’s playing poorly. And it seems to be paying off in both respects: – when AR comes out now he stops by the bench and seems to be asking questions etc.; and Nelson is trusting him more and putting him back in the game later on to see if he can work out of the funk(s). People forget that coaching is as much about relationship building and trust as X’s and O’s. As AR is maturing (i.e. getting older) he seems to be more accepting of coaching – or maybe I’m just being Pollyannish.
John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
"Maybe I’m just being Pollyannish."
I actually agree with you and I wasn’t necessarily saying the Warriors aren’t developing him… but if it’s true that he’s on the block, I do find that ridiculous.
Just based on what I can see on the TV screen, it doesn’t seem like the relationship between Randolph and Nellie is contentious.
I think one of the problems is that sometimes Nellie benches him for something small and then languishes there for long stretches of time. While I agree that accountability is important to development, the consequences also need to match demonstrations of poor performance. I’m not always sure that’s the case.
I can’t think of one reason to trade him — hypothetically, if he and Nellie aren’t getting along, Nellie is the one who should go, not Randolph.
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Yeah...
I agree – but in regards to the punishment not always fitting the crime – it may just be that the Warriors are playing better without him on the floor. Nelson has admitted recently that sometimes when he wants to put guys back in to get their PT the current unit is just running better so he sticks w/it – sometimes too long. Hell, Curry didn’t get back in last night.
I in no way was being argumentative – I too don’t want to see AR go – I just get sick of people saying he needs to play more just for playing more’s sake and how Nelson can’t coach “young” players; it’s simply not true – he just can’t coach players who aren’t receptive to coaching – and this is not something unique to Don Nelson. If he earns it fine – if not find the pine.
John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
Nelson has admitted recently that sometimes when he wants to put guys back in to get their PT the current unit is just running better so he sticks w/it – sometimes too long. Hell, Curry didn’t get back in last night.
That’s exactly the big problem with having Don Nelson as the coach of this team. Making sure Randolph and the other young guys get the most of every single game and every single practice should be the main priority, not playing CJ Watson or Radmanovic over them so Nelson can add 5-10 more wins to his win total this season.
We shouldn’t be playing to win, we should be playing to improve. I can see why Curry should’ve been benched initially against the Celtics, but sitting him for the whole game isn’t teaching him anything.
"We Deserve"
We shouldn’t be playing to win, we should be playing to improve.
“YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMk5sMHj58I
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by Atma Brother ONE on Dec 29, 2009 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
What seems small to us could be bigger in reality.
For example, if Randolph was benched for jumping at a shooter, that might seem small to us. But if the game plan is to let that particular shooter shoot instead of drive, and Randolph still does it, then Randolph isn’t following the game plan and deserves to be benched for someone who will follow the game plan.
Nellie sounds like a really smart guy, and I believe he has his reasons for benching players and for how long they are benched. The annoying thing is, we don’t know what they are, and we have to guess.
by IQofaWarrior on Dec 29, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
Nellie is a smart guy
A little too smart for our benefit. His agenda doesn’t match what the franchise’s agenda should be.
"We Deserve"
WW?
Cj had a good 2nd quarter but Monta carried us. He deserves more WW’s than he’s getting.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
it’s about spreading the love. WW is way less interesting if monta and maggs win them all.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
This begs separate awards...
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warrior wonder
it seems every night monta is deserving of the warrior wonder…i guess WW has turned into montas sidekick, which shows the all star level that monta is playing at right now. I bet if other websites have something like a WW, like the cavs, they could give it to lebron (or whoever their star is) every night, but thats just stating the obvious…it seems as tho monta is good enough that we almost accept his great performances as normal, which shows his development as a player
It's like how Kruip and Kuip pick players of the night
in the Giants post game radio show. They try to pick the non-obvious player and recognize their subtle and unexpected contributions for that night. It would be obvious and boring to keep picking Monta every night, unless he was the only guy who actually did anything at all.
by IQofaWarrior on Dec 29, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
WARRIORS MUY CALIENTES!!
Recap EN ESPAÑOL (spanish) para hispano hablantes y non-Spanish speaking
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Warriors ¡¡ EN ESPAÑOL !!!!
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Man I wish Spanish wasn’t my worst subject in high school.
Props to you man for keeping that blog going.
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by Atma Brother ONE on Dec 29, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
Go Big Plz
Not a huge VladRad fan, but I feel like he would be seriously aided by playing SF in a big lineup. Either Monta/Morrow/Vlad/AR/AB or Curry/Mags/Vlad/AR/Turiaf if Monta ever gets a rest.
But the stubborn coach probably won’t do it because he prefers the 3 PG alignment.
by UncleCliffy on Dec 29, 2009 3:34 PM PST via mobile reply actions
News Flash: Kawakami uses stats to prove CJ is better than Monta!
* With Ellis, the Warriors have scored 102.3 points per when he’s in, and 125.3 points per when he’s out, a STUNNING difference. I don’t really understand it. Just typing it.
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
W/o even looking...
We can just assume the “Points score W/O Monta” statistic suffers from small sample size.
Here is an excerpt from ESPN's John Hollinger's chat today(hope this is allowed)
Thomas T (Marin, CA)
Did you say Monta Ellis is not helping the Warriors much? Really…30+ points a game is not helping??
John Hollinger (2:57 PM)
He has the worst +/- on the team, by far. Golden State scores 19.9 points per 100 possessions less with Monta Ellis on the floor. His TS% is below the league average and he has a negative pure point rating, so he needs to chill out and let some other guys take a few turns with the ball.
sounds about right to me. monta is definitely talented, but if he’d realize that he doesn’t need to shoot over and over and over again to give the team a chance, we’d be a better team. he played very well last night, but if he doesn’t start making smarter choices with the ball, he’ll hold the team back.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
what a crock
Yes there are things he can do better like turn the ball over less but +/- on a guy who plays almost the entire game night in and night out on a loosing team means very little.
He was the best guy on a very bad team full of injuries and at one point we were the 6’6" (or so) and under squad, but sense hes on the floor a lot and only scoring 30+ while out team is being dominated by bigger better teams it must be all his fault?
"If God made us in his image then he must be dumb too, and a little ugly on the side."
Frank Zappa
no one’s saying it’s all his fault. the main argument here is that monta ellis could be playing a lot better and his efforts to pad his PPG have not necessarily helped the team. being a ball dominant volume scorer is not the best way to help your team. someone should send that memo to monta.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
look at durant last year
granted i think durant is a superior player, but monta has similar stats to KD last year in those regards
Marco Belinelli's Biggest Fan
um… I don’t get that.
so does Durant suck too?
"If God made us in his image then he must be dumb too, and a little ugly on the side."
Frank Zappa
A lot people were saying Durant actually hurt his team based on his poor +/- #’s last year. Not sure whether I agree with that myself..
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
by cybermaldonado on Dec 29, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
well, monta has inferior numbers to durant’s from last year in almost every other category (assists being the one edge monta has over 2008-9 KD). durant’s plus/minus from last year was confusing and the source of much debate. monta’s are not totally surprising.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
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