Welcome back Nellie. Oh and thanks for losing this game for us.
Sigh.
Wow, what a game! what a performance by Morrow, Vlad Rad, Ellis, and good contributions from Curry and Hunter.
I sit here typing this out feeling a mixture of punch you in the gut , sprinkled with a bit of lingering adrenaline. I dont think i sat down once since the middle of the third quarter, standing and cheering our dubs on, and ultimatley getting my heart broken, yet again.
I'll come with it, I ultimatley blame this loss on Nelson. His continued overly enamored admiration for Maggette, and him playing him the entire 4th quarter cost us the game. With Radmonovich, and Hunter both playing at such a high and effective level, and the succsess they had in keeping Carl Landry and houston's front line at bay in the 3rd quarter, Nellie decides to sit them both, for the ENTIRE fourth quarter, in favor of playing Corey at the center spot. Landry, ate him up by the way, and Corey, well, same old corey, taking pull up jumpers that clanked off the rim, traveling, not finding the open man the way vlad had been all night, and oh yeah, NOT keeping his man off the boards.
Honestly, when i think about it again, i may be being too harsh on Corey, he's not an NBA center, or a power forward for that matter. Is it fair to expect him to nuetralize bonafied power players like Landry? Here's the thing though, and correct me if im wrong, but the ball movement, not just tonight, but most games, always tends to come to a complete halt when Corey touches it. Ball movement is key to a Warriors win, and when its flowing, like it was tonight in the third, good things happen. Unfortunatley, it didn't keep flowing.
This game was such a tease. With so much at stake, and us playing Orlando this saturday for our last home game in about two weeks, it would have been nice to squeeze out a win tonight. It would have made sense to have kept playing our hot hands, and whatever big man we had, this case Hunter, who was pretty active, and effective. Instead Nelly has to be different. He's always on that guy. Always has to stick with what doesn't work versus what does.
Not to dwell on the negative, because this game had its bright moments, players stepped up, and Ellis, who still filled the stat sheets up and played pretty well, wasn't his normal dominant self. Apparently he had the stomache flu, i buy that, i also buy that defenses have just been keying in on him more, in which case we need the others to step up. Tonight, the other players did, Our coach, did not. And that to us fans, contributes to our ongoing frustration.
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I believe....
That the words that I have,actually, for Monta Ellis, if i were to say them, I would definately get kicked out of this website and possibly face some legal charges…..I mean the guy (ME8) lost us the game hands down…along with Nellie…and ef_werd i agree with you on every point u make…..esp. the one about hunter and vlad rad……….and i also dont get why monta kept driving in and kept getting blocked over and over again….just idotic…..in my opinion…the worst game Monta ellis has had this entire season so far……saying that i am extremely dissapointed is such an understatement
by Morrow is wet!!! on Dec 3, 2009 10:40 PM PST reply actions
Who was at the game?
I was at section 202!
by Cpt. Jack in the Box on Dec 3, 2009 11:18 PM PST reply actions
I won't spend any money on the Golden State Warriors for awhile
No AR, no BW, no AB, no Ronny, no Buike, no Raja, no wins. This team is barely worth watching on TV. I usually use the Sharks as the sweet chaser to rinse out the nasty flavor of Warriors games using the magic of DVR. But I’ve stopped doing that to. I watch the Sharks, and then fip it over to the dubs every once and awhile. Outside of Monta and Ammo’s jumper, it’s just really bad right now. Plus your money goes to cohan.
This wasn’t intended to be a critique of you, I hope it doesn’t feel like I’m scolding you, I’ve just realized this bs within the last week and your comment got me inspired to voice my opinion. In a weird way, thank you
by myk on Dec 4, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
I'll go to the games even if it's just Morrow shooting around!
by Cpt. Jack in the Box on Dec 4, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
yeah
what about Monta’s two crucial unforced turnovers in the final two minutes?
"We Deserve"
those were TERRIBLE
I mean really? Dribble off your foot AND you forget to dribble? How long have you been playing basketball again?
+1
Nellie also killed us tonight. I don’t know what his infatuation with small ball is, but he seems to think wemust live and die by it even when it’s not working, which it did not tonight. He should’ve fed the hot hand and kept Hunter and Vlad in when they were playing so great.
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by JustSomeName on Dec 4, 2009 12:13 AM PST up reply actions
yea
the refs had about a million shitty calls both ways. especially those two charges on monta at the end of the first half.
Nellie played Maggete
so that Adelman wouldn’t be tempted to put in Scola (Nelli postgame quote kinda). But yeah I’d definitely had put Vlad in there sooner, especially looking at the horrid game Maggete had. It looked like Corey had some in-game battle with Landry and that’s what messed us up…him calling for the ball over and over just so he could own Landry…which he didn’t.
Maggete needs to go fall in a Ditch.
Monta Ellis
I don’t know how you can say he had a nice performance. Monta turned the ball over 9 times, and only made 9 of his 27 shots. He was blocked something like 6 times.
Seven times.
But who’s keeping count?
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by JustSomeName on Dec 4, 2009 12:43 AM PST up reply actions
MAGGETTE & NELLIE TAKES THE FAULT FOR THIS LOSS
this game was already won but we have Maggette playing the 5 in the final minute of the fourth quarter.
…Seriously?! Come on, man!
Maggette makes they dumbest decision at the wrong time. Well, he actually makes dumb decisions all game which is why Coach Nelson should not be playing him in the finally minutes of the 4th quarter when we need to control the game and stay on top.
Neliie should have noticed that Maggette was freakin’ it up for us in the last 6-7 minutes of the game at the 5 and he should have put in Radmanovic (who was hot and getting rebound).
i honestly think Coach Smart would have came out with the win if he were in charge of the final minutes.
Spot on with Monte's turn overs..
My bad for leaving that out in my initial post, but as for him getting swatted consecutive times at the front of the rim, well, how often does that happen? Ellis is one of the best finishers in the league and im not upset with his repeated attempts to take it to the rack and try to lay one in, thats a high percentage shot for him and thats usually his bread and butter. The turnovers though, 9 or somthing, yeahhhh, not so good. Especially the two in the final minute, were inexcusable.
Still, the game was already lost by that point, the game, was in fact lost when the Rockets tied up with us coming back from 10 down. And you simply cannot win in this league, with a 4 guard line up and Corey Maggette at center. Gimick ball failed again.
Here’s the thing though, and correct me if im wrong, but the ball movement, not just tonight, but most games, always tends to come to a complete halt when Corey touches it. Ball movement is key to a Warriors win, and when its flowing, like it was tonight in the third, good things happen.
Ball movement is good, and has been best in the games the Warriors have played the best. I’m not denying that. I think with Maggette, though, you’re a lot more apt to notice his effect on the ball movement when we lose and ignore the fact that it didn’t matter when we win. So basically I think the causation is the other way around – while you’re saying Maggette kills ball movement causing our offense to be ineffective and causing us to lose, I say losing causes you to notice the effect Maggette has ball movement. I really don’t think it’s a big deal because Maggette is very effectively offensively, though I do prefer Maggette in more of a sixth man role playing with the second team instead of the first.
You may be right when you say that people are more apt to notice the effect that Maggette has on ball movement when we lose but it still happens when we win and it doesn’t help. Also, we lose more than we win so it is not hard to see how Maggette has a negative effect on the on-court chemistry of the team. Point blank, the guy DOES NOT PASS. His offensive game is to drive right into his defender and create contact and throw up a shot after he hears the whistle. I think the reason he travels so much is because he’s waiting to hear the whistle before he throws up a shot, and I’m being completely serious. His defensive game is to take a charge every time. Otherwise, Maggette has no game. He thrives on whistles and that’s all he does.
by Throw up the Dub on Dec 4, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
Regardless of what you think about his method, it is effective, you can’t deny that. I agree defensively he’s not very good. I agree he’s nto a very good passer. His game might be one dimensional – but his one dimension does help. He scores at a pretty high rate, at a very good efficiency. And I do think our ball movement suffers when he’s in there, but his scoring more than makes up for it and adds a much bigger positive to the offense than his lack of passing adds a negative is the point I’m making.
by Missing Barry on Dec 4, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
I noticed....
when mags played w/ Radmonovic, curry, monta, Moore/hunter lineup our movement wasn’t as bad. Vlad is a decent passer, with good hands. Having someone at other forward spot helps our movement adding 2 bigs with good hands (turiaf and biedrins) who are good passers for Centers helps.
We need to utilize Corey better, he’s our most efficient scorer, our best rebounding wing (if u count him as a wing) and possibly our best post defender. He can do stuff for us. And realistically he is untradeable (for value or space) or atleast will remain so until he shows consistency.
He is a .577 TS% this year (which is also his career average) Regardless of what you think of his game he is very efficient for a wing. That’s higher than kobe, dwade and lebron’s career averages. He scores efficiently. Use him correctly and he can be an asset
Agreed. He’ll still be an overpaid asset, but a useful player that can help us win games nonetheless.
by Missing Barry on Dec 4, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
This one is on Nellie....Again
I was at the game. The W’s were playing inspired ball for much of the 2nd half, and they finally were getting a few rebounds inside (thanks to Hunter and Vlad), and of course, in the 4th quarter, Nellie comes up with his harebrained scheme and trots out a lineup of Curry/Ellis/Watson/Morrow/Maggette for nearly 6 minutes of game time. Can someone tell me who the SF is in this lineup? Who is the PF? Maggette is the center? Seriously? And the only substitution the rest of the game was Vlad for Maggette after Corey had screwed up about 3 possessions in a row, and RadMan had enough time on the bench to go cold. I can’t recall the W’s getting one important rebound in the last 8 minutes of the game. Just horrific coaching.
Smart wouldn't have played maggette at center
Morrow At the 4 or cj at the 3. For that Nelson homers, you must realize that Keith smRt would have coached us to a win.
No denying the obvious truth .
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Honestly at this point, i think i'm a better coach than Don Nelson
He says he coachs the assistants, who coach the players. And we know he doesn’t run the defense. So at this point, the only thing he does is make substitutions . Based on his last two years, we know he is inept as can be at doing this. Theoretically, all i have to do is make better substitutions to do it better than him, and i’m guaranteeing you i can make better substitutions than Don Nelson.
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Nellie out for the road trip
I am sensing he may leave soon…
No doubt
Maggette has got to be the one traded on this team. Bottom line is that you can’t pay a bench player of his caliber $10 million per – but that’s beating a dead horse (come to think of it that’s a good nickname for Maggette – Dead Horse). His game was sooooooo frustrating to watch last night. As much as I love Nelson – Maggette should not be in the game when he is playing as terribly as he played last night. At least Nellie came to his senses w/3:00 minutes left and took him out. We still had a shot at this game and Nellie admitted that he left him in too long. Small consolation – but big for Nellie to admit the possibility of making a mistake. This loss is not entirely Nelson’s fault – but leaving Maggette in didn’t help.
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about maggette
if we can trade him for cap space then by all means do it. but assuming we can’t I don’t think he’s the problem. We saw against Indiana what he can do. He was fundamental in us winning.
Playing him @ center is the problem. He is a very efficient scorer, but how do u expect him to be against a guy that much bigger than him? Is it a surprise he got blocked? Further more it’s not just him at center but fact we had 3 migits and morrow, i mean what were you expecting?
why blame Monta
First, this is one of many games Nelson lost for us with his absurdly stubborn ideas and preferences, all counter productive to winning. But I can’t blame Monta at all. He had no energy left, no legs to do what he does, simply because the senile old fool wouldn’t give him needed rest so he could be fresh when we needed him. Only one person lost us this and many other games: the fat man who should be put out to pasture.
We Believe We Were Deceived
Well, Monta deserves blame for all the shots he missed and possessions he turned over. Those actively caused the Warriors to lose…
by Missing Barry on Dec 4, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
but....
that is all on Nelson as well. He hasn’t done anything to rein in any of the players except the ones he didn’t like. My goodness, Baron, Jax, Barnes, Maggettee, Ellis, they all are volume shooters and or drive recklessly into heavily defended baskets. None of them have an ounce of discipline that stems their recklessness. That is all on Nelson. Nelson’s love of his fast break offenses and mismatches leads to so many turnovers and missed shots; it just isn’t Monta. It is Nelson’s great offensive mind at work (or not)
We Believe We Were Deceived
Eh, I’m not sure I agree with this at all. There are many valid criticisms of Nellie, I mean, what was that Maggette at C lineup about? But when it comes to offense, you can look at those examples – Baron, Jack, Barnes – they all had their most efficient years offensively of their careers (check out their TS% if you want to verify this) under Nellie…
by Missing Barry on Dec 7, 2009 8:10 AM PST up reply actions
The lineup that should have played at the end of the game.
Monta
Watson
Morrow
Vlad
Hunter
that lineup was torching the rockets. So instead of letting that continue, we went to a
Curry
Ellis
Watson
Morrow
Maggette
And i have to say, that may have been one of the stupidest coaching idea’s in the NBA. You can’t do much worse that what Big Belly Nellie did. Devean George for Curry might have been better for all defensive purposes, and George is terrible.
This shouldn’t be a shock to anyone watching this team in the past 3 years.
At the end of 07-08 he continually kept running out lineups for 40 minutes that were not only tired, but becoming uneffective.
The Baron
Monta
Pietrus/Barnes
Jack
Andris
That lineup sucked especially when Jackson and Baron on occasion shot us out of games.
He had Bellinelli and Wright ready to go, producing very well in games they got 15+ minutes, yet he kept a 3 for 14 shooting, 5 turnover a game Jackson on the floor for 40+ minutes, played Baron 48 a night when he continually broke down in the second halves due to fatigue. And he turned Harrington into a 20 mpg backup center 3 point specialist. This guy is a joke, and it is most likely due to his age because he never showed this type of rash decision making in Dallas to this degree. I mean C’mon MAN. Retire, go home, Joy wants you back.
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can Monta get a breather please!!!!!!!!!!!
40+ minutes in 7 of the last 9 games and we are 3-6 in those 9. He was ill and missed shootaround going into the houston game and nellie gets him 1 rest the whole game for 54 seconds of game clock. I certainly knew not to expect him to have much in that 4th quarter. He struggled the first 3 it wasn’t gonna change in the 4th. I can’t blame this loss on anyone but NELLIE because of his idiotic small ball! We dominated the 3rd with Hunter and Radman and they play a combined 2 minutes in the 4th. WTF? Nellie is ruining my fun with this team, they said he may not go on this upcoming road trip. I will be praying he doesn’t, please bow your heads and join if you feel the same.
Let's wait till we get a healthy roster
I think he needs a little rest, but i cant necessarily fault the coaches. there’s such a lack of talent, the risk of 5 mins w/o monta on court is big. Granted I think it’s being shown he can be a detriment late in games when he’s so tired so it’s not working anyway….
We need another option to help monta basically. Realistically I could live with 1 and watch development of our players…
If we can find a 3 way trade, we might be set. Send raja and speedy to a contender, (raja is a great asset to a contending team..). They’d send comparable cap space to a team and we’d take a player. We can cut out the intermediary of course but it seems most likely way to do it…
What do people think of Caron, Hedo, Rip, Deng? These are probably the type of players we could get for cap space… I would love the first (he has 2 years left on his contract), and Hedo would find form in our system (Though his contract is long).
The question comes of course if we are WILLING to use the expirings, or what i think is more likely to happen… just let them expire and have a lower payroll
No one is gonna take Raja if he's out for the season
we need to find someone willing to take Maggs. Like I said though 3-6 in our last 9. Not resting Monta doesn’t seem to be making us win any more so why not try to get him some sort of break in the 3rd so he can have a little more left in the tank for the 4th.
actually...
he would have nice value. Different value though. 5 mil expiring + if he stays out he’s paid via insurance….
but a contender wouldn’t want him if he was out. That being said, a contender could care less if hes out till april. They’d want him as a defensive sub

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