Anthony Morrow - Love the Player - Hate his Game
by ThermoElectro on Dec 4, 2009 11:47 AM PST
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Well maybe I don't exactly hate his game. The kid is a ridiculous shooter (50% from the field is already ridiculous but 50% from 3 is just godly) but boy when I'm watching him oh how I do hate how he gets those shots. I cringe every time he drives coast to coast as it always looks like the ball is dribbling him and not the other way around.
I guess part of it can be attributed to the fact that ball movement isn't exactly the greatest on the W's squad. Most of PG's on this team look to score first before they consider passing to another player. Ball movement on most nights is lacking and thus sometimes a guy like Morrow has got to force his hand to get his. Also in his defense, I've seen him make some nifty passes off the dribble so it kinda justifies him handling the rock.
However, doing those kind of things aren't playing off his strengths which is his stroke. Ideally he should be trying as much as possible to pattern his game off guys like Reggie Miller, Rip Hamilton and Stojakovic (back in his prime in sac when webber was healthy). Run your guy ragged through screens, move without the ball and one to two dribbles at most for drives to the hoop or to open space. A player like that would also solve the half court offensive woes as it would allow the w's to run more than just give Monta the ball and let him go one on one or having CJ Watson dial his own number. Heck I think he wouldn't be a bad playmaker for other players off that kind of movement either.
Do you guys agree? or is Morrow playing how he should be playing? Thoughts?
Quick edit- I think Ammo is the coolest nickname outside of AK47...Great nicknames work on multiple levels.
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He does try to do a little too much at times given his suspect dribbling ability
He shouldn’t be bringing the ball up, but a quick pump fake and taking guys off the dribble is great and very important to him staying effective as a sharp shooter. It allows him space to shoot the three, and if they are going to crowd him, he can take a couple dribbles in and pop the 15 footer. But taking the ball in the lane has got to stop, he has no ability with 3 defenders in front of him (not that most do!)
Most Definitely
I would trust him to take a couple of dribbles and even make good passes off a screen or pump fake but when it absolutely irks me when he’s given the ball on the wing and tries to size up and blow by his opponents 1 v 1. It’s not his game. His shooting ability makes him dangerous even without the ball in his hands as defenses need to keep track of where he is. If he were to constantly move without the ball, it would also breakdown the defense and open up things for his teammates. Dude is the purest shooter I’ve seen in a long while and it really pains me that he isn’t working on perfecting that aspect of his game.
by ThermoElectro on Dec 4, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
Improvement
Yeah he needs to improve on everything except his shots. I get kinda nervous when he’s dribbling the ball and hisplay making. His driving and teardrops are usually aren’t that great, but I did love how he drove to the rim at last nights game to tie the game 109-109. I was nervous about that too, but he made it.
I have no problems with A-Mo and I never cringe when he gets the ball.
He is undrafted. He is humble. He has a great attitude. He probably is the most hardest working player on the team to hone his game and his hard work is really starting to pay off for him this year.
He is proving to the world that he isn’t a one trick pony. He is proving to his haters that he isn’t a softie on the other end of the court because he plays tough defense and hustles. He doesn’t complain when Nellie instructs him to guard Lebron James. He buys into Keith Smart’s philosophy of team defense. His haters said he can’t rebound but he has had six games so far with 5 or more boards. One of those game he had 9 rebounds. 5 dimes. 3 steals. shot 75% from 3PT, and oh..he also scored 27 points.
He said on KNBR that now his last part of his practices include shooting 3’s which means he is working on every other aspect of his game to be an all around player.
He has made his goal to be a complete all around player and I am sure he will accomplish this because he continues to put an extra effort to be just that.
Give Anthony Morrow a break. This is only his second year and he has impressed me thus far. People act like this is his 15th year in the league and all he can do is shoot.
I know this website is to critique and vent but we need to give the players on the Warriors a break.
They are playing undermanned and they play their guts out for us every game. I honestly believe them when they get interviewed and mention, “We did it for the fans” because I truly believe they really appreciate our fanbase. I thank these Warriors for that.
Yes we could be a better team, but I am happy with our team and I am waiting patiently for them to fully click together to cause wreck in the NBA on a consistent basis no matter what opponent they face. Hopefully we get to witness it this season.
Would you rather have a roster of a 37th seasoned veteran in Jerome Kersey, Tony Delk, Todd Fuller and your only base for excitement are Jason Caffey highlights? Seriously?
Go Warriors still.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Dec 4, 2009 1:34 PM PST reply actions 7 recs
Hence love the player...
And how would patterning his game to be more like Reggie Miller and Rip Hamilton and insult? Do what you’re good at and build off of it. I think Morrow has more talent than just to be a spot up shooter that hangs on the wing and takes a shot only when all other options are exhausted or if he’s open. My point is that he isn’t playing to his strengths. I mean do you think he’s maximizing his scoring potential right now by the way he plays? I sure as hell don’t.
by ThermoElectro on Dec 4, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
You make a valid point with:
Run your guy ragged through screens, move without the ball and one to two dribbles at most for drives to the hoop or to open space.
As I said, it is only his second year and I’ll be patient with him. I love what he brings to the table game in, game out. With more experience and coaching he will master these things.
The amazing part is Morrow scores very efficiently and can get you 20 plus points with less than 10 field goal attempts.
He makes the most out of those attempts and maybe if he was only scoring 5 points a game with 20 attempts then we should complain.
I’m glad you are the many few who believe: “Morrow has more talent than just to be a spot up shooter”
I always knew he wasn’t a limited player because of his work ethics. Hard work always pays off.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Dec 4, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
i agree....
with you 100%……he has impressed me sooo much this season……i think he’s probably the most consistent player this year so far……he doesn’t always shoot the ball…when he does he makes it….and i know u guys watch the games on csn Bay Area…or many of u do..and im sure you hear Fitz and Barnett say stuff like “oh my god…i hav not seen morrow do that before”….“wow he is really expanding his game”……he is expanding his game very much and we can see that right in front of our eyes….BUT……i will agree with some of u here in that…when he dribbles i do cringe just a little bit…because i don’t think he can handle/dribble the ball very well…..but can’t really blame him….he needs to work on that…..but throughout this year….I do not have even a .00001% dissapointment for him….(bad english…but u guys get my point)
by Morrow is wet!!! on Dec 4, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks man.
u said:
i will agree with some of u here in that…when he dribbles i do cringe just a little bit…
I totally understand that.
Maybe if people would understand that Morrow isnt LEBRON JAMES in his rookie year…maybe their minds would be more at ease.
Oh well. whatever people think. as long as you guys cheer for Morrow in the end. thats all that matters.
LGW.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Dec 5, 2009 12:39 AM PST up reply actions
Wow
Just saw the link. Haven’t really followed A-Mo since he left ATL. These thoughts are the exact same as they were in college. He had a GREAT shot. Hence, leading the ACC in 3 point % his senior year. One of the biggest limiters was his lack of handling ability in college. Hewitt’s system (if you can call it a system) has no place for shooters without a good handle. A-Mo had a 0.85 to 1 assist:turnover ratio in college. Not great for a guard. Keep up good work. Hope A-Mo keeps on playing solid ball for y’all.
This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedevere. Explain again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.
One thing to keep in mind
Run your guy ragged through screens, move without the ball and one to two dribbles at most for drives to the hoop or to open space.
Those guys don’t just run around and look for screens. Those screens are setup for them. Just watch other teams closely and you see how intricate those formations can be. Often times, it’s not just one guy but multiple screens are laid out just to try and free them from their man. Screens are a two way street. The guy giving the screen need to know how to position himself as well.
Why it doesn’t work as effective for the Warriors? A couple of things, one is that our coaches barely give a crap about it. Our half court sets are just some of the worst in the league. Also, as everybody knows, we play 4 guards three quarters of the time so who’s gonna set a pick for him? Certainly not Maggette or Ellis or Curry. And even our ‘big men’ can’t hold a great screen.
Remember that first Rocket lost? Morrow took a bad shot because (i think it was) Ariza just ran through Biedrins while giving a screen causing him to fall on the floor resulting to two guys collapsing on Morrow. We just don’t have the WIDE bodies needed to effectively free him up throughout the game.
Good point.
one is that our coaches barely give a crap about it
Why is this? Why hasn’t Nellie recognize this? Keith Smart? Hello? We have the best shooter in the NBA.
Just do it.
I think we could use Radman to set screens for Morrow just as Webber & Vlade did for Bibby on the Kings back in the day.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Dec 4, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
Run your guy ragged through screens, move without the ball and one to two dribbles at most for drives to the hoop or to open space.
Great point, but you need players to set screens. But all of our’s are looking for their own shot. So does that mean Morrow should set all these screens so Monta can run his guy ragged through screens and get his shot? Great idea in theory, but won’t work with this team.
WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...
His game has faults but
Morrow is one of my favorite players to watch. I don’t cringe when I watch him. He does have to get better at dribbling, but give the guy a break. He has surpassed all expectations of a D League player, and is a terrific find!
surpassed all expectations of a D League player
He was never a d league player. He just went undrafted, invited to summer league, then training camp, and the rest is history!
WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...
by JustSomeName on Dec 4, 2009 5:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
whatever, same difference
He was undrafted, and he might not ever become an allstar, but any team in the NBA would love to have him!
by freerandolph on Dec 5, 2009 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
all good bro. i knew what u were saying.
You could be correct with him not ever becoming an NBA All Star, but with his strong beliefs, focused mindset and continued great work ethics…maybe God will be like….
“The heck with being a Warrior fan in general. I’m rockin a Morrow Jersey and whatever he wants to accomplish in life, he will be granted.”
God is now just an Anthony Morrow fan. Everything else follows after that.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Dec 5, 2009 12:51 AM PST up reply actions
We all loved JRich but couldn't dribble for his life.
by crab dribble cocktail on Dec 4, 2009 6:23 PM PST reply actions
What does that have to do with Morrow?
J rich shouldn’t have handled the ball that much either. I like Morrow as a player, just don’t like him not playing to his strengths. I find it odd people are that sensitive to criticism. I mean it’s not like I called him a bad player or anything.
by ThermoElectro on Dec 4, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions
"dont like him NOT playing to his strengths?"
I love the fact that he doesn’t shoot the ball up everytime (even tho he wud make a very high %of those shots….i love him trying to fake and dribble a little and create a shot for him….and he’s only practicing that right now(in practices/games)…..and getting better at that……just like monta ellis said a while ago that morrow needs to take some responsibility and not only look for screens and passes….and if he doesn’t practice all of that right now….then what happens in like 6 years?
by Morrow is wet!!! on Dec 4, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
I knew you were a Morrow fan.
and you have every right to criticize him.
My biggest take is that there are fans who BASH HIM ON criticism when he doesn’t deserve to take the verbal abuse.
THIS IS ONLY HIS SECOND YEAR IN THE LEAGUE. GIVE IT TIME. BE PATIENT WITH HIM.
He works his tail off to be other than his damn stereotype. THATS ALL I COULD ASK OF HIM. He is putting in work to prove all these suckas wrong. I LOVE THAT MENTALITY.
As BirdGT said, its been the same criticism in Georgia Tech and im sure AMO IS SO SICK OF IT that he is doing something about it.
This is where he can be comparable to Jrich. HE WAS SICK OF PEOPLE TALKIN ALL THIS YAP and busts his arse to prove them wrong.
Go Warriors still. whatever.
A-MO WILL BE G.O.A.T. so what!
ohhh my gaught. i am the first overreacting supreme optimistic Warrior fan ever. omg. this never happens.
If he is out partying all the damn time instead of working on his game…then CRITICIZE HIM ALLLLLLLLL FREGGGIN DAY.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Dec 4, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
Amen.....
i think everyone on this website should read what u just wrote
by Morrow is wet!!! on Dec 7, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
lol. thanks bro.
I am always overly extreme with what I say,
but 93.37% of the time I actually mean every word.
The 6.6337% could possibly be just sarcasm to support that 93.37 percent of what i really meant.
Thats just me. I love players who put an extra effort to their game when they have the potential to be really good even if their current “stats” on a consistent basis don’t portray the such to be the best. I appreciate those players even more when I know they aren’t just doing it for themselves but for those who really care on this planet for arguments sake.
These type of players…Dig into your guts. You might just find something to make you better than Air Jordan himself.
Put in the work regardless of injury, opportunity, etc. One day it will all make sense. One day it will all be rewarded.
Hopefully it happens as a “Warriors.” The fans bring that energy. The fans help bring that possibility to that statistically mediocre player. The fans want to see you accomplish this as a “Warrior” itself.
Even if you’re down 1000-1. don’t ever give up. You just won one somehow by settin’ the tone itself.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Dec 7, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
I think this post is getting a bad rep because it sounds like you’re saying Morrow isn’t doing what he should be doing. I think you mean that our coaching staff isn’t doing what they should be doing: creating plays for the best shooter in the league, Anthony Morrow.
This dribble-drive offense just doesn’t work with Monta as the primary ball-handler. He’s a scorer, that’s what he does. He’s not a good ball handler and he’s not a good passer.
I can’t believe Don Nelson is widely touted as an “offensive mastermind”. This is the same offense you can find on any playground or in any gym.
"We Deserve"
This is the same offense you can find on any playground or in any gym.
no it’s not. if you really believe that, you don’t process basketball very well (not trying to insult or whatnot – just stating what would be fact if that’s what you see out there).
by homer simpson on Dec 4, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
Care to share?
I’d like to be enlightened. Please share with me what makes Grandmaster Nelson’s offense so impressive?
"We Deserve"
Check the stats of players that come to the Warriors. Guys like Baron, Al, Cap’n Jack…all had their best years (not just in volume, but in scoring efficiency) under Nelson. That’s not a coincidence.
by Missing Barry on Dec 7, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The nick name Ammo is already taken. That’s been Adam Morrisson’s nick since his Gonzaga days.
Adam Morrison
Even if that's the case. I really dont give a rat's arse.
Does anyone even know who Adam Morrison is right now?
Ya..not too many people know Morrow either, but those who do will crown him the name A-Mo.
I do not dislike Morrison but I do like Morrow better. Not just because he is a “Warriors.” but I do like Morrow’s game better.
Morrison got the nickname first.
So what.
First is the worst.
Second is the best.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Dec 4, 2009 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
Its AMMO as in ammunition not A-MO
Morrison is a bust while Ammo is busting his tail to lead the league in 3pt% for the second straight year and will have a chance to win the 3pt contest this season. He will be known around the league as AMMO for many years to come!
Well...
Its “Ammo” like ammunitions, and like A(nthony)Mo(rrow). Thats why its his nickname, cause its clever…
by freerandolph on Dec 5, 2009 12:13 AM PST up reply actions
Ya. but its against jAe's rules to call him A-Mo.
So we should go with AMMO or Morrow. or Anthony Morrow.
It’s just the more politically correct label to use in a more professional environment.
Plus, “A-Mo” isn’t a very good rebounder for a guard.
He is only averaging 4.1 rebounds per game which is way below the average shooting guard in the NBA.
Michael Jordan would frown upon “Morrow’s” numbers. It is just not acceptable to be in any type of discussions of elite guards.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Dec 5, 2009 12:46 AM PST up reply actions
What is the average RPG for shooting guards?
4.1 seems about right around the average, not way below.
oh. my bad. I was being sarcastic.
I think Morrow rebounds well for a 6’5 guard/forward.
Up above i said:
His haters said he can’t rebound but he has had six games so far with 5 or more boards.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Dec 5, 2009 9:17 AM PST up reply actions
Citing statistics “per game” doesn’t reveal a lot. Morrow’s currently at 4.5 rebounds per 36 minutes (4.7 career) which I think is just a hair below average for a shooting guard (jae, please verify).
One aspect of his game that hasn’t been mentioned here is his ability to take care of the ball. He’s currently at a microscopic 1.4 turnovers per 36 (1.3 career). Yeah, he doesn’t really “make plays,” either, but that’s still a nice number, and one that doesn’t appear to be rising much, despite his admirable efforts to expand his game.
And, to re-underline: .672 true shooting percentage. Just sick. No surprise that by plus-minus he’s currently the most valuable regular Warrior by far (+17.6, +6.0 simple rating). This after leading the team in same last season.
Yeah, right now, Anthony Morrow is probably the best player on the Warriors. Monta, Curry, Biedrins, Randolph and Wright might have more “value,” since they do a bit more, and play less replaceable positions. But until those guys get healthy and/or address some of the flaws in their games, Morrow is the guy who, when he sets foot on the floor, gives the team the best chance to win.
There will be no extra point!
Based on players’ primary listing, shooting guards averaged 4.09r/36 last year. That was a hair down from what it had been in the past, largely because the position listing is somewhat arbitrary. But it’s rather certain that Morrow is not “way below average.” If anything, he’s a slightly average rebounding guard. Given that he is almost never in position for offensive rebounds, his totals look better.
by jae on Dec 5, 2009 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
I am personally for Morrow dribbling. He has to learn it, and he is getting better. If he screws up, I don’t mind much, because he does far more good on the floor than off. I’d rather have him developing his confidence and ability during games than not. I would hate to see him remain one-dimensional every game, as that would not bode well.
Welcome to the Pit of Despair! Don't even think about trying to escape.
by Naticus2 on Dec 4, 2009 9:13 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I’d rather have him develop outside of games. Mistakes during games can cause us to lose. It’s not like these guys are playing in the town rec league – they practice insane amounts outside of the games – ball handling is an easy skill to work on any time, you don’t even need another person, just a ball and floor to work on it….sounds to me like it’s a great offseason/practice type skill to acquire.
by Missing Barry on Dec 7, 2009 9:13 AM PST up reply actions
i don't quite agree with u there....
I believe that he should practice during the games…( but i will say im a bit afraid when he puts the ball on the floor….but w.e. but im not trippin about it)……and anyways if we were actually working towards a playoff spot then you could make the argument that “Mistakes during games cause us to lose”…..im not saying they don’t care about losing or anyhting…..but we’re really not competing for anything here…..so i would rather get him experience against the NBA level talent as opposed to just practice……and another point……“Ball handling is an easy skill to work on any time”….okay really tho it’s not….if it was then he would be jamal crawford by now…..because he was doing drills during his summer workouts on dribbling and especially at the NBA level you REALLY have to work on it a lot…..and it’s not a part of his game yet……once it becomes comfortable with that….then you are not going to stop him at all…..
by Morrow is wet!!! on Dec 7, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
okay really tho it’s not
Yes, it is. You pick up a ball, and you find a hard surface. The requirements for working on it are minimal. Hell you can work on it in the morning while eating breakfast (dribble with one hand eat your cereal with the other). Obviously just working on it yourself doesn’t cover everything you should be doing to improve, but there are tons of drills you can do alone where, again, all you need is a hard surface and a basketball.
I did not say it’s an easy skill to develop at the highest level (like Jamal Crawford level, to use your example). I just said it’s easy to work on. Morrow’s ballhandling is years and years behind where it needs to be – he has a lot of making up to do compared to players much more advanced at it than him, who are also working on it constantly.
Anyways, another point is the amount of ball handling he’ll get in game situations is a tiny fraction of the amount of work he should be doing on it, it’s going to be largely insignificant in his development.
by Missing Barry on Dec 8, 2009 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
If you've been watching this season....
you will have noticed how much more comfortable he is driving and using his handle as a weapon. No he is not good at running full court with the ball but we don’t need him to do that, but he does need to attack the rim at times to keep the d honest. Sucks he is gonna miss the Orlando game but he’ll be back for our 5 game road trip starting monday. If you are anything but totally proud of this kid for how far he has come as an undrafted free agent than your expectations are a lil to high. What he has done so far and is doing as this season progresses has me very worried that his next contract is gonna demand big dollars that i hope we have when the time comes. I love Monta’s game but Morrow is by fare my favorite warrior to watch. He plays with that humbleness and desire that Monta used to play with before he thugged his body out with all them tats. SJax may be gone but his stain still remains on a corrupted ME8.
by pre10d on Dec 4, 2009 11:54 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
He plays with that humbleness and desire that Monta used to play with before he thugged his body out with all them tats. SJax may be gone but his stain still remains on a corrupted ME8.
This is just really disappointing.
An empty barrel makes the most noise.
by antihero on Dec 5, 2009 12:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't believe though that Monta is a lost cause
he’s still young and impressionable so if we surround him with the good team players(which we have except for maggs) who play with a respect for the game than this stain will dissolve to a degree, but it may take getting a real coach and FO to completely dissolve the sting. The best thing i can say about Monta is that he definately cares about winning so when and if we ever get somewhat healthy this season we will start to get some consistent w’s.
*about maggs-he plays hard and tries to be a team player but his style of play just doesn’t mesh with this team and when Buike comes back next year we really have no use for Corey since we can also use Ammo at the 3.
This is all reasonable enough. My issue (and I suspect antihero’s issue) is not with any of this so much as your implication that tattoos and “thuggery” have anything to do with anything. It really undermines your arguments when you let this kid of stuff creep into them. Last I checked, LeBron James had his share of tats; yet somehow he doesn’t seem to let them affect his attitude, discipline, or performance. Or are you o’ them “I don’t want LeBron” kids…?
There will be no extra point!
Well… he was just dancing during the Cavs-Bulls game which imo is pretty childish / immature. I can understand doing it before and after the game… but up off your bench during the game is ridiculous.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 5, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
We must have different views on antihero's post
cause what i took from it was that he sees what i see in how Jackson’s friendship with Monta changed the person he was, which is totally normal because the people you hang with rub off on you with the good and bad they have. Jackson is a cocky,arrogant and at times ignorant human being on the basketball court and in the media. Monta was a shy, humble and very respectful kid until Jackson’s influence, during Monta’s early 20’s, had him become more “thuggish” than “professional”. He never had a technical in his life until the year b4 mopedgate, he didn’t throw a hissy fit after every bad call, and he didn’t need to tat his whole arms like that. That’s something that people with thuggish mentalities do, not someone who had no tats when he came into the league. Kobe has tats but not overkill like Monta. Do ya think Jack and his crybaby attitude may have had something to do with the tats and the techs? The dude has a gun between 2 hands closed in prayer on his chest, does that not scream “i’m a thug” or “wannabe gangsta”.
You can’t compare monta to Lebron for a few reasons…Lebron since day one was hailed as the savior for their franchise, the other players gravitated towards him. Monta was a 2nd round pick who wasn’t expected to impact the team so HE had to gravitate toward the other players. What that means is Lebron wasn’t gonna be influenced by his friends because they came to him while Monta had to be taken under Baron and Sjax wings so naturally he was gonna follow their lead. Now Monta is the Man that the other players are gonna gravitate to so hopefully he goes back to being the humble respectable player we all love to root for and not influence any of our younger guys the way Jack did him.
by pre10d on Dec 5, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
he didn’t need to tat his whole arms like that. That’s something that people with thuggish mentalities do, not someone who had no tats when he came into the league. Kobe has tats but not overkill like Monta. Do ya think Jack and his crybaby attitude may have had something to do with the tats and the techs? The dude has a gun between 2 hands closed in prayer on his chest, does that not scream "i’m a thug" or "wannabe gangsta".
Now, I don’t know how old you are, but as someone Monta’s age, I’m just going to say that you need to leave this whole “tattoo” thing out of it. Tattoos are incredibly popular for my age group. It’s not a “thug” thing. It really doesn’t reflect on a person’s character at all, because frankly, it’s a very popular thing people of all “character” are doing. Monta may have gotten more tattoos than most, but judging him on that is just….foolish. Nobody seemed to have a problem with Barnes tattoos last I checked…?
Seriously, I don’t care what you think of Monta’s mentality/attitude, I just think it’s incredibly close minded and ignorant to judge someone on the basis of tattoos. Get over it. It doesn’t mean anything, and it certainly doesn’t scream anything.
by Missing Barry on Dec 7, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly Right
Even if you are against it, give him the benefit of the doubt. I’m younger than Monta (19), and have a tatt of my family, with both of my grandmother’s ashes in it. does that make me a thug? no.
there is nothing morally wrong with tattoos – anything that is suggestive is the result of cultural stereotypes and racism.
do i think monta looks better with all those tattoos? quite the contrary; I think he looks much worse. but that doesn’t have anything to do with his mentality, his “thugishness,” his personality, or his basketball ability.
so let’s cut the judging and worry about basketball
Does that make me a thug?
Nahh, BK2, we already knew you were a thug to begin with… ;-)
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 7, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
You know I got it from you, Sleepy
Thugged out since cub scouts!
And maybe at various other points in time, tattoos were shunned and only a certain group of individuals were getting them (to be stereotypical in the exact way I’m arguing against – sailors, thugs, bikers, gang members, lower income people in general, whatever), but right now, that certainly isn’t the case. Tattoos are in, and everyone’s getting them, and there just isn’t a stereotype associated with getting a tattoo in my age group. Unless it’s a tramp stamp, of course. :)
by Missing Barry on Dec 7, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
have a tatt of my family, with both of my grandmother’s ashes in it. does that make me a thug? no.
Really, u comparing a tribute tat to your family to a tat of a gun between 2 hands in prayer? Who other than a person with a thug mentality would get a tat like that? He stereotyping himself!
Look people I’m not judging Monta because he has tats or saying he has a thuggish mentality(although Jack definately does) but my original point is that Monta became a different person as a result of hanging with Jackson and now that Jackson is gone the question remaining is, is Monta gonna go back to being the humble, respctful, professional player he was before Jack or is he gonna follow in Jacks footsteps and be a cancer that Jack became because he was unhappy about making 30million dollars but not winning. You gotta understand the point that Monta had no tats before Jack was on the team so the fact that he got that tatted up tells you how much influence Jack had on him. I have tats too and have no problem with him getting them it’s just the way it happened that makes one question if Monta still has his head on straight.
no worries on the quoting
I wasn’t comparing my tattoo to jackson’s. It’s hard to deny jack’s “thugishness.” my point was that I don’t know that it’s fair to use the fact that they both have tattoos to draw conclusions on similar behavioral traits.
but I understand what you mean now, so the tattoo argument is really neither here nor there.
I see what you mean, I and agree to a large extent, though I’m not as worried. I think a large part of monta’s transformation is he is coming into his own as a leader. Sure he’s not quite as polite as the rookie who answered everything “yes sir” or “no ma’am,” but I think this is attributed to A) him getting used to the NBA in California instead of High School in Alabama, and B) him taking on the role of being a leader on this team. Sure he’s not quite as likable as a personality, but he’s a lot more fiery and passionate, in my opinion.
I never had a problem with the general point – more a problem with using tattoos as evidence for the point you were making.
by Missing Barry on Dec 7, 2009 8:11 PM PST up reply actions
Maggs is really a great guy to have in the locker room....just because he's not like a lebron james on the court doesn't mean he's a cancer in the locker room....
why don’t u go ask steph curry if maggs is a positive influence/great guy to have in the locker room or not?
because maggs is the reason that curry is still surviving his rookie season so far amidst all of the season’s start turmoil
by Morrow is wet!!! on Dec 7, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
I think Curry would survive whether Maggette is around or not. All this locker room garbage is overrated – guys develop fine without losing it in locker rooms all across the country regardless of their teammates/chemistry…
by Missing Barry on Dec 8, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
100% agreed. rec'd.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Dec 5, 2009 9:22 AM PST up reply actions
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