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For David Stern he has some explaining to do because as a long time fan, the NBA referees are the worst in all major sports. I have no clue why they decided to bring them back, the NBA was better off with replacement referees.

After watching the last two Golden State Warriors games and the end of the Los Angeles Laker game against the Miami Heat, it's become very clear to me that the referees in the NBA are as incompetent as they come.

Each of those three games I have mentioned the NBA referees had a hand in effecting the outcome of the game. This should not be an acceptable level of performance in the NBA.

Yet, again fans saw that last year in the Houston Rockets and Lakers series. When Kobe Bryant threw an elbow at Ron Artest. The referees didn't call a flagrant foul and the league didn't even punish Byrant.

If the situation had been reversed if Artest had thrown an elbow at the chest area of Bryant he would have been immediately ejected and would have been suspended for at least a game.

Again it was seen in the NBA Finals with the Lakers taking on the Orlando Magic. Where a goaltending call should have been made, but no call was made. It's hard to claim these referees are competent when even Phil Jackson had stated that it should have been a goaltend.

Let's start with the first game I watched the Houston Rockets vs the Warriors at the Oracle Arena. Referees for that game were Derrick Stafford, Kevin Fehr, and David Jones.

Before half time on back to back possessions for the Warriors, Monta Ellis was called for an offensive foul. Before those two possessions Ellis had two fouls, by halftime he had four.

Each one of those foul calls took away layups for the Warriors. The first one should have been a no call because Ellis had already passed the ball by the time Battier got over trying to take a charge.

The second one was just awful! Battier was moving the entire time, yet because he fell down it meant that Battier had just gotten Ellis his fourth foul of the game. If you don't think that effects the outcome of the game then you're surely mistaken.

Ellis is the best player the Warriors have on the floor. What makes him so good is his ability to attack the basket, but because of this Ellis had to be extremely careful so he wouldn't pick up another foul in the second half.

There was another missed call on a goaltend that also effected the score. Ellis drove to the hoop and there was a clear goaltend by the Rockets, but the referees did not call it and instead Ellis had to shoot two free throws.

Those calls were enough to effect the outcome of the game. The Rockets ended up winning by a score of 111-109. If the officials had made the calls correctly the Warriors would have won 114-111.

As mentioned before I watched the end of the Heat game. Sure, Kobe Bryant made an incredibly lucky shot to win the game, or did he? The answer is that it still should have been a two point victory for the Heat.

Why? Because of the horrible three point play given to Bryant on a blocking foul call on Jermaine O'Neal. O'Neal is entitled to his space, Bryant came in and ran him over. Therefore it should have been an offensive foul, but since Bryant made the shot he also earned the one free throw which he made.

Now, I will say this though there was a horrible foul call on Lamar Odom that should have never been made. He didn't touch Dwyane Wade, but because Wade lost the ball a foul was called.

Odom had a right to be upset, he did deserve the technical he received. Yet, Bryant's reaction should have also been a technical as well.

That three points right there was the difference in the game. If that play is called correctly like it states in the rulebook, the Heat come away with the win.

Onto the game I watched tonight with the Warriors vs Magic. There were some terrible calls on both sides of the ball!

There was a foul on Mickael Pietrus on Stephen Curry that should have never been made. Curry was attempting to keep the ball from going out of bounds near the sideline and Pietrus was right there with him.

Pietrus didn't even touch Curry, but the whistle blew and Curry went to the line for two free throws.

There was another foul call on Vince Carter that should not have been a foul, but Corey Maggette acted like he was fouled. That also earned the Warriors two free throws.

On the other side of the ball Vladimir Radmanvoich got a steal taken away from him on Pietrus. Ramdanovich did an excellent job at anticipating where Pietrus was going to go and Pietrus just dribbled right into him, and Radmanovich stripped the ball away for what should have been an easy two points for the Warriors. Instead of two points for the Warriors it was two free throws for Pietrus.

Anthony Randoloph was called for a foul on Dwight Howard, when he didn't do anything, he didn't make any contact with Howard. In fact the only argument you could make is that Howard should have picked up his sixth foul on the sequence or a traveling violation should have been called.

You know it's an incredibly bad call when the Magic are running down the court expecting the travel to be called!

Just watching these games it makes me wonder why am I a fan of this game? When it seems like the officiating continues to decline. The question is there a fix for the referee situation?

C.J. Watson was called for a foul on Carter, when it should have either been a no call or an offensive foul. Watson was fighting over the screen made incidental contact which is allowed in the NBA and Carter used his arm to push Watson off, which meant it should have been an offensive foul, instead it gave Carter two free throws.

I mean even without watching games you can read about players like Rasheed Wallace being fined for blasting the referees. You have Josh Smith ejected for arguing a foul call for too long.

Last year a referee was punished publicly for his actions to Boston Celtics coach Doc Rivers.

The problem is that these referees have too much power and too much control of games. When a player or coach calls them out, the NBA immediately tries to silence them by fining the players and coaches.

Well, I find that hypocritical! If these referees aren't doing their jobs any punishment they receive should be made public. I would love to see the crew of tonight's Magic versus Warriors game be suspended for more than just a game.

It was embarrassing as a fan watching the game to see how incompetent the crew of Scott Foster (who was a Finals official last year), David Guthrie, and Tommie Nunez were tonight.

My question is when is the NBA going to do something to fix the situation with the referees?

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In unrealated news,

we have sole possesion of fifth place in ping pong ball count. New York and Philly are in our sight. We still got a lot of time left to run down Minnesota and New Jersey.
Go Dubs!

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Dec 5, 2009 11:42 PM PST reply actions  

Well, if we have to have a bad team

We might as well get as many young players with “potential” as we can so we can delude ourselves into thinking the Dubs will be good in the future! I’m not even being sarcastic, besides for the we believe year, thats all we can hope for!

by freerandolph on Dec 5, 2009 11:44 PM PST up reply actions  

And its fun to picture John Wall, Monta, Randolph, and Curry all playing together in the future

And the Dubs having 4 perennial allstars! The Dubs can never achieve the greatness that they have achieved in my imagination!

by freerandolph on Dec 5, 2009 11:46 PM PST up reply actions  

hard to imagine even Nelson being able to get Wall, Monta and Curry all on the floor at the same time for any significant length of time.

Thing A

by sam23 on Dec 5, 2009 11:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Tonight the starting lineup

to open the game was Monta, C.J., and Stephen, so it could happen. But, who says Nelson is going to be coaching next year?

by Rocky63215 on Dec 6, 2009 12:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Tonight the starting lineup
to open the game was Monta, C.J., and Stephen, so it could happen.

Well yea if there are as many injuries next year as there are now its possible.

But, who says Nelson is going to be coaching next year?

Nelson does.

Thing A

by sam23 on Dec 6, 2009 4:31 AM PST up reply actions  

also

I’ve never been a huge opponent of small ball, but I think it could be difficult to win games with all three of those guys playing together for a lot of minutes. Sure there might be enough minutes at the 2 guard spots for a couple years, but hopefully Morrow and Buike will still be around and it seems Maggette will also still be around. I’m not saying I’m against drafting Wall. If we had the number one pick today I think we’d pretty much have to take Wall as he does seem to be living up to the hype. I’m just saying that if that happens we might also have to explore trading one of those 3 smallish guards.

Thing A

by sam23 on Dec 6, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Whatever...

I wasn’t trying to argue that we should play those 3 together, which I actually don’t think we should do. If we could get John Wall, trade Monta or Curry, probably Curry.
But anyways I don’t even really care about that. Just making a joke about how the Warriors are never good, and we always have players with lots of “potential” who never seem to turn our team around…

by freerandolph on Dec 7, 2009 12:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Who cares if it works or not. I’d seriously consider trading the entire Warriors team right now for John Wall…

by Missing Barry on Dec 7, 2009 8:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow, that’s quite a statement. I mean I’m as wacko for Wall as the next guy, but I’m not sure I’d go quite that far — especially when, as the 4th-8th worst team in the league, we might luck into him without giving up anyone.

Clearly Wall’s the franchise guy in this draft, so you pick him without a moment’s hesitation the pingpong balls bounce your way. But if we want to talk “fit” with our core guys, I can’t imagine a more textbook player than Evan Turner: smart, mature, superathletic SF who can handle the ball like a PG, rebound like a PF, and play tough D. Assuming the cracked vertabrae heal well (terrifying as that injury was, I haven’t heard anything about it being career-threatening), Turner seems like the guy we should be semi-realistically lusting after…

Monta / Curry (or ship both + for CP3…?)
Morrow / Monta
Turner / Buike
Randolph / Wright
Biedrins / Turiaf
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+ Head Coach: not Nelson
+ Brand New Unis (the current ones, in addition to being stale and graphically lame, are clearly bad luck).

I know how sick we all are of talking “potential,” but if that team, assuming reasonable health, doesn’t win close to 50 right out of the gate, I’d be pretty surprised. (And if we could figure out a way to turn Monta and Curry into Paul, I’d count on 55-60 wins…)

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 7, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t know anything about this Turner kid, but from what I’ve seen of Wall, I think he has a pretty good shot at being one of the Top 5 players in the NBA in a few years. We’ll be talking about Lebron, Paul, Howard, Wade and Wall…

So that’s my mentality and why I just don’t care about fit – you get a guy that good, and you make the pieces fit around him, instead of trying to make him fit into what you already have.

(Trade Monta + Curry + Biedrins/Randolph for Paul, and you’re left with Paul/Wall + some talent like Morrow, Wright and Randolph or Biedrins. That would be amazing.)

by Missing Barry on Dec 7, 2009 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Paul Wall…haha, drive slow homey

Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!

by Supafishal on Dec 7, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Lebron, Paul, Howard, Wade and Wall…

You know who I’d add to that list? Tyreke Evans. I still can’t really see his ceiling. I guess Wade is a reasonable comp, though Evans may be a bit ahead of Wade at a comparable age, and may be even more of a physical freak.

Throw in Bynum, B. Griffin, and (homer’s choice) Randolph to round out my “Future Top 3 NBA player” list.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 7, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Honestly, I don’t think I’d put Bynum into that group. I don’t think he’s progressed enough at this point to make it likely. Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m impressed by Bynum AND his progression, just more along the lines of consistent All-star (assuming good health) than legtiimate Top 5 Superstar. I think Howard at a similar age was a better prospect (better defense + rebounding, pretty similar offensive production though Bynum is probably a little more refined, and Howard’s a better athlete).

Griffin…well, I’ll wait to see him play an NBA game. I do think he’ll be a very good player, I’m just unsure how much of his being a beast will translate to NBA competition. And no, I don’t need to see Wall play an NBA game to make a judgment. :)

Randolph…of course!

Tyreke intrigues me, as well. I haven’t seen the Kings play, yet, though. I had heard (this is based on his prospect status leading up to the draft) he wasn’t quite on that elite level athletically, he’s certainly big and strong and a very good athlete overall, but a notch below the elites (Lebron, Howard, Wade), maybe a little like Carmelo? Your thoughts on that evaluation? Has he had any jaw-dropping highlights yet?

by Missing Barry on Dec 7, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

In a few years … when he’s in his mid-30s? I don’t think so. He’s at his peak level right now, and I’m not sure he’s quite Top 5. And almost all players decline significantly from age 31-32 to age 35.

I’m pretty sure his middle name is “Bean.”

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 8, 2009 5:13 AM PST up reply actions  

I left Bryant out, because I’d put Howard, Wade, Lebron and Paul above him right now, and as Sleepy said, he’s just going to get worse as he gets older.

by Missing Barry on Dec 8, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn't read the post, just the title

I thought that tonights game was one of the worst officiated games I have ever seen. Although, I didn’t think it was particularly lopsided, or biased, towards either team. I could be wrong, cause I didn’t even watch the whole game.
But it was ridiculous. There were so many calls in the 3rd! Many of them ridiculous. And then towards the end of the game the refs weren’t calling the same things they were calling earlier. At least be consistent in some way!

by freerandolph on Dec 5, 2009 11:42 PM PST reply actions  

I wish Donaghy's book

got published, in what we read from it it seems to reveal a lot about how the refs treat teams, players and games. I actually Donaughy isn’t the most evil of refs out there.

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"

by dubzfan on Dec 5, 2009 11:46 PM PST reply actions  

actually think*

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"

by dubzfan on Dec 5, 2009 11:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think so

Too bad that book hasn’t been published, I wish the NBA went to replacement referees.

by Rocky63215 on Dec 6, 2009 12:25 AM PST up reply actions  

This year is the worst refereeing I've ever seen. It is literally sad.

It’s shame that these refs learn the rules so well but are completely blind. I often wonder if they are even watching the games.

by HOLDEMUPGoldenStateOfOppression on Dec 6, 2009 1:01 AM PST reply actions  

It is definitely sad

Yet, Stern will do nothing about it.

by Rocky63215 on Dec 6, 2009 2:22 AM PST up reply actions  

No he didn't

It wasn’t even close it was an offensive foul. Only Kobe gets that call.

by Rocky63215 on Dec 6, 2009 2:22 AM PST up reply actions  

...and the armchair referees come out of the woodwork

It’s a hard game to call. I’m willing to bet that is the reason for inconsistent ref work, and not that David Stern cares enough about a GS vs. Houston game in December to rig it.

An empty barrel makes the most noise.

by antihero on Dec 6, 2009 3:12 AM PST reply actions  

well the top teams get really good calls

and bad teams get bad calls

Marco Belinelli's Biggest Fan

by montadaboss on Dec 6, 2009 10:43 AM PST reply actions  

Sure there are some bad calls around the league,

but we as TV viewers (or even fans in the arena) get to see the replay an additional 2-5 times on our home TVs or the big screen in an arena. The referees have to call it live and without hesitation during a game. I’m not saying I don’t disagree with some of the calls that have been made recently, but it’s a lot easier for us to call out the refs by a. not being refs and b. after the fact once we get to see a replay. It’s not fair for the league to make bad calls, but it’s also not too fair for you to criticize how someone does their extremely hard job.

by freun989 on Dec 6, 2009 5:52 PM PST reply actions  

there is only one ref

that i dont mind seeing on the court with the warriors… steve javie. he is the only ref that seems to be consistent and has the focus to watch an entire game. any way we can request him for all warriors games?

by diablo21911 on Dec 7, 2009 2:26 AM PST reply actions  

OMG I DISAGREE WITH A COUPLE OF CALLS SO THE REFS MUST SUCK AND HAVE AN AGENDA AGAINST MY TEAM!

Ok, in all seriousness, you guys are making much adieu about nothing. Comparing refereeing in basketball to the other sports isn’t fair. Basketball is, by far, the hardest sport to officiate. It’s much more subjective than the other sports in terms of what’s a foul, what’s a charge – try looking through the rulebook sometime to figure out what the rules are exactly. Seriously, give it a go. You’ll find a lot of the stuff isn’t as defined and more open to interpretation than you think it is. This is the first year they’ve actually established a set rule for travelling in the NBA, for instance.

As big and fast as these guys are, as much contact as thre is, you’re going to get calls you disagree with. Get over it. The NBA actually has one of the best systems for reviewing referees and rewarding good ones in place of all the sports – they review every call, the refs are constantly watching tape and worknig to get better, they keep detailed stats of how they do, and the good ones get to ref important games like playoffs/finals. Compare that to baseball which has a joke of a review process, doesn’t identify it’s best umps, and just rotates all the umps into the playoffs/World Series, meaning the worst crews get their chance every once in a while, too….what was your argument that basketball’s system is the worst, again?

I take it whoever thinks there’s some big conspiracy/the refs are awful has never actually reffed basketball before. It’s hard enough to ref a 4th grade girls CYO game with parents who don’t know anything about basketball yelling at you, imagine trying to ref in the NBA. It’s a hard job, and with all the action and contact, there are going to be calls you disagree with. Just consider that after the game, if you think the refs “altered the game” or gave the other team an advantage, chances are, the other teams fans agree – except they think the Warriors got the advantage.

Each of those three games I have mentioned the NBA referees had a hand in effecting the outcome of the game.

No. Wrong. A couple of calls you disagree with is not “a hand in effecting the outcome of the game.” To really affect the outcome, they have to make biased calls all night long against one team. Maybe this happens on a very rare occasion, but in almost every game, this absolutely does not happen.

by Missing Barry on Dec 7, 2009 8:22 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

much adieu about nothing

The Story of the Retirement of Allen Iverson (or Michael Jordan, Brett Favre, Roger Clemens, etc. etc.)? ;-)

Joking aside, I give you a big rec. It always amazes me when fans think the refs have it in for their team — ignoring the fans of the other 29 teams who think exactly the same thing. In fairness to the diarist, he does point out bad calls on both sides; but you can more or less replace this entire diary with two words: “sour grapes.” C’mon, kids … this is this kind of reactionary stuff that belongs in the game threads, when we’re all hot and angry and need to blow off steam. The fanpost section deserves a little better, imo.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 7, 2009 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

In fairness to the diarist, he does point out bad calls on both sides

True, and I’m not saying there aren’t bad calls, of course. I for one have complained about the two stupid charges the refs gave Battier at the end of the half against Ellis. On principle I hate that call – calling a charge long after Ellis passed the ball – Battier was no longer playing D (trying to prevent the other team from scoring) as he was trying to get a cheap flop, since Ellis no longer had the ball and was not relevant to the play at that point….

I think you did a good job summarizing the point –

The fanpost section deserves a little better

Of course we’re going to complain about the refs screwing our team in the heat of the moment or whatever, but actually trying to turn it into a legitimate argument that the refs are biased and do a terrible job and screw our team over is just….well, it’s just silly. I hope I brought some new info to light these people don’t realize, because I really do believe the refs do a great job (and there’s lots of evidence that they do the best they can, as I tried to lay out), it just is that difficult to ref these guys in real time.

by Missing Barry on Dec 7, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

There is no question

NBA refs are terrible, I couldnt agree more with this post, great post. It is a tough game to call but not that tough if you played the game at that level thats why I hope to see more Haywood Workmans around. The Warriors will almost never get the benefit of the doubt it seems, but as a Warrior fan I am almost used to it now, even though I still hate refs with a passion

by pbra17 on Dec 7, 2009 8:22 AM PST reply actions  

I'm sure your post raises some valid points, way too long for me to read right now as i'm kinda busy.

But upon seeing the title of your topic, you may be right, but for me being a fan of the Warriors is what makes it hard to be a fan.

Refs aside, we have to put ourselves in a position to be competitive among the league. The end of the Houston game is a perfect example as to why it’s our own team we need to focus on. CJ Watson got called on a foul that was questionable, but probably still a foul, and Monta definitely traveled during the following sequence.

I’m never gonna stop being a fan of the Dubs, but it’s our own team (from the top, down) that makes it difficult to be a fan.

Chris Cohan- YOU'RE FIRED!

by bonbrillio on Dec 7, 2009 11:05 AM PST reply actions  

I don’t see the refs as having it out for one particular team, they are just bad in general. The supposition that somehow officiating a basketball game is more difficult than football, hockey, or soccer just seems wrong to me. Yes, the guys are big and fast. Welcome to professional sports. The court is not very big, and there are three guys with a triangulated view.

In general I have less of a problem with the blown calls (like Radmonivich getting called for that foul against Pietrus; that looked like a foul at full speed even though he got it clean). The two things that bother me the most about the NBA are:

1. Charging calls when the defender slides underneath an already airborne player. This is just ridiculous. Rewarding someone for not playing defense and jeapordizing the health of an airborne player is indefensible. Not to mention that the rules CLEARLY stipulate that it should be a block.

2. Star treatment. This is actually related to the above in the sense that defenders typically DON’T get the charging call against someone like Kobe. I can’t see how athleticism has anything to do with this. Monta is athletic and actually tries to avoid contact, but he doesn’t get nearly the love that Kobe does. I can’t help but think that the refs are biased in favor of certain players and that this is a result of the league’s general infatuation with superstars.

Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!

by Supafishal on Dec 7, 2009 11:09 AM PST reply actions  

The supposition that somehow officiating a basketball game is more difficult than football, hockey, or soccer just seems wrong to me. Yes, the guys are big and fast. Welcome to professional sports.

These are two different points. The first – you look at something like baseball, there is no room for interpretation. A guy touches a base or he doesn’t. He gets tagged or he doesn’t. The ball hits on one side of the line or the other. I guess the closest thing to interpretation is the strike zone….but people do complain about strike calls all the time, and umps do tend to be consistent (if not accurate) when it comes to balls and strikes. With football, again, things are pretty clear cut for the ref. You grab a jersey it’s holding (they really let all holding slide besides the really obvious ones). A facemask is a facemask. The only thing that I can think of off the top of my head that’s comparable is pass interference.

In basketball, every amount of contact is made by two participants. How much contact is a foul? Who’s initiating the contact? These are things that come into play very, very often, and a lot of it’s a judgment call. Even when you do a slow motion replay, you may be able to see whether there was contact or not, but it’s still difficult to tell the effect the contact had (assuming there was some). The nature of the calls are simply a much bigger grey area, and more difficult to make. You may think some other sport is harder, but given the fact that the sports are, in fact, different, I can’t see how you can think it’s equally difficult to ref them all. There is a difference and it most likely results in difference in the difficulty in calling the game, and I’m presenting a case that the NBA refs job is more difficult than some of the others (MLB and NFL, specifically).

The next point that they’re big and fast is just to try to get people to emphasize how difficult making these calls is. For anyone that’s ever reffed basketball, they’d understand the point. When you try to ref guys that big and fast, simply put, you’re going to miss some calls.

I do agree with both the calls that bother you, though, I have a problem with both those, as well.

Also, I do have higher expectations for the calls that aren’t open for interpretation – out of bounds, goaltending, etc. They should be getting those right almost every single time. Fouls are a different story.

by Missing Barry on Dec 7, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Kobe travel before

he make the winning three but the official didn’t bother calling it. Even my friend who is a Lakers fan agree. But if Ellis or one of our rookie commit it during the game is on the line they will definitely call it.

Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........

by mykelala01 on Dec 7, 2009 2:05 PM PST reply actions  

just watched the play for the first time today after reading this post...

a) had no interest in seeing that jack@ss accomplish anything.
b) he CLEARLY traveled at the start of the play when he catches the pass.
c) since when could you take 3 1/2 steps and move both pivot feet before you dribble the ball in basketball?

What a joke.

by Jagz8 on Dec 7, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Just watch the play

And I didn’t think he traveled.

by freerandolph on Dec 8, 2009 5:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Perfect officiating wouldn’t make much of a difference. The warriors are just bad.

by realist_ on Dec 7, 2009 11:23 PM PST reply actions  

unbiased officiating and star over treatment couldn't hurt.

In a fair and balance league I could see this team winning from 35-47 games over an 82 game span when healthy.

In the current NBA, David Stern and the refs won’t let it happen. they will always favor the “better” teams because of the almighty dollar.

by Jagz8 on Dec 7, 2009 11:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think its the dollar

I think its human error, plain and simple. The reason why Lebron gets calls that Curry doesn’t get isn’t that David Stern tells the refs to call more fouls for Lebron then Curry. Its that refs know Lebron is supposedly one of the best basketball players around and so they give him the benefit of the doubt, probably unconsciously more then consciously. I really don’t think there is any grand conspiracy going on here.

by freerandolph on Dec 8, 2009 5:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, the conspiracies are ridiculous. Sure, the faces of the league (aka star players) get star treatment, but it’s not like that’s a bias. If we had a superstar, he’d get treated that way, too.

by Missing Barry on Dec 8, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

If we had a superstar, he’d get treated that way, too.

Too bad nothing remotely close to a superstar would want to come play here. And even if they did, they wouldn’t be considered one since we’d still be around 30-40 wins per season…

WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...

by JustSomeName on Dec 8, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Um, generally a superstar leads his team to wins, and thus gets looked at as a superstar. There are also ways to get them besides free agency…

by Missing Barry on Dec 8, 2009 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

the draft is where u get a star guy like that.

unfortunately the stupid lottery system and bad selections have cost us the chance to get one of those guys.

I mean the year we got Dunleavy we would have had the top pick which in turn would have been Yao Ming. which is a player that gets the star treatment.

by Jagz8 on Dec 8, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

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Gw090_small Fantasy Junkie

Natehead_small Nate Parham

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Small Hash

Small dj fuzzylogic

600px-olympic_rings_square olympicmike

Small IQofaWarrior

Shutterstock_10276351_basketball_mind_small Evanz

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We_still_believe_small R Dizzle

Small Adam Lauridsen

Small jae

Gsom_tony_small Tony.psd

Kanji_love_small Sleepy Freud

Japan_by_miaumi_small YaoButtaMing

Drmlg_logo-gmail_small Poor Man's Commish

Nellie2_small Feltbot