Warriors Web Links: Magic 126 @ Warriors 118 - New motto: 4th qtr collapse
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Pregame: CJ Watson.
Pregame: Corey Maggette.
Pregame: Don Nelson.
Pregame: Adonal Foyle.
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Postgame: Don Nelson.
Postgame: Anthony Randolph.
Postgame: Stephen Curry.
Highlights by orangino.
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A travel day, then a 5 game road trip spanning 7 days. Warriors will be back on the 16th, 10 days from today.
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Oh Warriors, Warriors, Warriors...
Why do you tease me so?
by HOLDEMUPGoldenStateOfOppression on Dec 6, 2009 12:20 AM PST reply actions
The way the Warriors have played against the good teams
I would love to see them go on a run against some of the less talented teams, get healthier, and actually have some success this year. Azu is not coming back this year. Claxton and George are only useful for trades, but I’d love to see the Warriors step it up with Biedrins and Truiaf back and then, maybe, add Bell and Wright to close out the season making a strong playoff run.
I’d love to see it. I’m not predicting it, but its a hope.
close out the season making a strong playoff run.
Haha, For all the good that would do I’d rather win the rights to John Wall.
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Standing on the moon
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Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 6, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
Just added:
gameflow and orangino highlights
Randolph was a beast. Key Randolph stats: 5 assists, 0 turnovers.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 6, 2009 1:18 AM PST reply actions
Pretty much. Most teams ramp up their defensive intensity towards the last 6 min in the 4th quarter of close games.
And when the going gets tough, the W’s players settle. Instead of having the patience to execute, they break down their sets and resort to off the dribble jumpers or going 1 on 1.
It’s fine when you hit shots & they don’t (Dallas), but most teams are going to hit good shots more often than the shots the W’s end up settling on.
by homer simpson on Dec 6, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
and our best players having played most the game must make them pretty tired
which leads to the TO’s and not hitting shots
didn’t hurt them in Dallas.
to be honest, I didn’t see signs of fatigue out there so much as poor execution. they weren’t front rimming shots by not getting their legs underneath (most shots were long or off to the side) and the 2 so called “lay up” misses were contested.
there were 3 TO’s in the last 6:03, Monta’s travel was forced and Curry’s 2 came from picking up his dribble too early, panicking and poor floor spacing (Vlad should have been closer to half court & more towards Curry to provide a wider angle on the pass and Monta was way too far out (he should have been closer to the elbow) which created the congestion, which caused Curry to pick up his dribble yet not come to a complete stop.
by homer simpson on Dec 6, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
God, Nellie was horrible tonight. HORRIBLE. Chris Hunter completely changes the tenor of the game and sparks a run… he never takes the court again after his initial five-minute stint. Steph Curry is fatigued to the point of uselessness in the second half… Nellie leaves him out there for 46 total minutes, with CJ available to spot in.
It was a great effort on a player level… everyone worked hard, and Randolph should permanently be back on the map after tonight. But just disgustingly stubborn and lazy coaching from Nellie tonight. It’s not random that we have two straight fourth-quarter collapses when the guy returns. He coached us out of both of these games. Dear God, Nellie, just retire.
Ladies and gentlemen, your Golden State Worriers.
And Maggette too...
I like maggs, i really do. I am astonished the ways he comes up with to make people foul him. But he kills any good flow, rythym, or ball movement we might have whenever he comes in.
I can’t help but notice that nelly waits until we are building some momentum to put in maggs. Everytime we are doing everything right, the coach has “fix” it. Everytime maggs launches a long long long two i cringe. He nevers hit that. He hits like A jumpshot a game. Its like dude, just run at the rim with the ball in your hands and get fouled, like we paid you 10 million a year to do, remember?
Maggette is also apparently giving Randolph lessons on how to not play defense and to try to flop your way into calls. I hope we see less of that in the future, though I doubt it.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 6, 2009 3:32 AM PST up reply actions
AR said it was part of the gameplan to get the magic bigs in foul trouble
by Badly Browned on Dec 6, 2009 7:53 AM PST up reply actions
Its a flop, but also a foul
It is illegal to lower your shoulder and run over the defender. Its not often called unless you flop…..but the defender has position. You cant just bang your body against the defender until you are close enough to the hoop….that is football, not basketball. That is a foul which never gets called unless the defender flops…
Shaq and Howard use this alot, but it really is offensive fouls that go uncalled….you need to move around a defender, not thru him.
Its a flop, but also a foul
That’s not really true, at least in the way I define a flop. A flop to me is acting like there was excessive contact when there wasn’t. If Howard lowers his shoulder, runs over you and you fall down, that isn’t a flop. What Randolph was doing for the most part last night was flopping, where Howard was backing down Randolph, without his shoulder lowered, and when Howard tried to take another step back Randolph would just fall over acting like Howard was trying to run him over. I think it got called as an offensive foul once… whereas all of Howard’s other fouls and all of Gortat’s fouls came from moving screens, rebounding fouls or fouling shooters.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 6, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
I know people keep saying he has to take that jump-shot to make people respect his drive
But he has to be shooting that shot at about a 10% clip. That is absolutely ridiculous.
by randolphforpresident on Dec 6, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
agree
Hunter and Randolph needed to both play (with Rad) at the start of the 4th. When the team gets gassed, the decision making suffers on both ends.
We continue to see signs of an effective identity, and obviously having Morrow would have been helpful. And though I understand the logic or favoring Morrow over Bellinelli, not having Marco during this early stretch has cost us in fatigue.
The other Nelson trademark move that continues to rankle is his aversion to calling timeouts to stop momentum slides when the team is gassed. I don’t mind playing Monta 42 minutes if we can get him a couple of strategic breathers using the quarter break, smart fouls, and timeouts.
Amazing the Marco trade
A talent who is young and has upside, for an aging expiring contract in George. What was the point? Oh yeah, Marco was an expiring contract as well! That trade was insane from the moment it was announced and it hurts us now. George has no place on this team and Marco has done pretty well in Toronto….he could have at least given us minutes with all the injuries we have.
um yeah. you do realize it was a monetary (Cohan/Rowell) deal? the w’s also received money commensurate to George’s salary. Marco’s value around the league was Joey Graham or Devean George or as a throw in to make contracts work. would I have traded him? no, but the NBA is a business. if you understand that, then you understand that the trade is not insane as much as it is a business decision to cut costs & save money in response to the present forecast of economic troubles.
by homer simpson on Dec 6, 2009 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
If Randolph doesn't start from now on
I’ll be furious
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 6, 2009 2:48 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Then prepare to be pissed
Randolph will come off the bench next game. Im almost sure of it. They’re still trying to limit his fouls.
To clarify
I did just mean next game, or until he starts playing badly again. I’m all for pulling him if his play starts to become selfish and stagnant again.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 6, 2009 4:11 AM PST up reply actions
He won't start
I agree with Bleezy88….he won’t start. I honestly don’t care if he goes thru a bad spell again-he should be playing 25-30 minutes a game. We arent winning a championship this year and we should develop him as much as possible…..so games like yesterday come more often.
by Bellringer21 on Dec 6, 2009 6:19 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If Randolph keeps playing like he did
he’ll get 25-30 min games. If he reverts to doing stupid things, he’ll go back to playing fewer minutes.
So he has to play significantly better than anyone on the floor to get big minutes?
The only chance this team has of making the playoffs in the next couple years is if Randolph gets the minutes/puts up the kind of numbers that he put up last night.
So IQ: you say he should max out at 25-30 min a game and play less if he makes mistakes….
What is the point? Have him sit on the bench and learn from watching Mikki Moore? Don’t make me sick.
by randolphforpresident on Dec 6, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
What is the point?
He can’t play more minutes without fouling out or hurting himself. Watch the games for a change and count the times he hits the floor or collides with somebody? He’s very raw and erratic and needs time to mature.
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On a back porch in July
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At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 6, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
No, I am saying that the better he plays, the smarter he plays, the more he sticks to the team game plan, the more he plays in controls, the less he panics, the less he looks lost, then the more minutes he will get. I’m not saying he should top out at 25-30 minutes. I would love for him to be a starter and get 35-40 minutes or more. But he has to earn it and play the right way without constantly and repeatedly hurting his teammates and the team game plan on the floor.
If Randolph reverts to his old self and looks lost, panics, or doesn’t understand the play, then he absolutely deserves to go back to the bench. Why should Randolph get to stay on the floor and force the other 4 players to adjust to him playing his own game instead of the team’s game plan over and over again? That’s not fair to the other 4 players on the floor who ARE playing the right way, who do know the plays, and who are ready to play the team game plan. Randolph doesn’t deserve any “special treatment” like that.
I’m not asking for Randolph to have a spectacular game every night. All I want from him right now is to recognize the plays without having to think about it, make a snap but safe decision when the ball gets to him, and play in control without panicking. If Randolph develops this foundation, then he deserves to be on the floor. Otherwise, it’s back to the bench and back to practice for him.
by IQofaWarrior on Dec 6, 2009 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
I still don’t see why we are still giving minutes to Moore. Isn’t he playing injured anyways? Since Nellie seems to be so high on AR at the 5, why can’t we just rotate AR and Hunter at the 5 now?
I really hope AR keeps his play high so when Beans and Turiaf comes back they can slot AR at the 4 again. So Vlad/AR at the 4 which at the very least at least keeps Maggs away from the 4.
by Badly Browned on Dec 6, 2009 8:00 AM PST up reply actions
AR belongs at PF
He really shouldnt be guarding Howard/Shaq/etc. Because he plays for Nellie, he plays C for now….
Honestly, our best lineup right now is probably Curry/Monta/Morrow/Randolph/Hunter, with Vlad, Maggs and CJ coming off the bench. If we have two frontcourt players playing well, I’d rather see us use them both than swap them in for each other. One or both might well get in foul trouble, but I’d rather see calls push them off the floor than this doomed commitment to tininess.
Ladies and gentlemen, your Golden State Worriers.
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We need a ball handler
Someone to run the offense – its been 2 games now which bad no-scoring lulls because no one was directing the flow.
Lets home that Smart can coach better on the road
For the most part last night Curry was the guy running the offense, which is why Ellis managed to keep his turnovers down to only 7…
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 6, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
Ellis still had to handle too much
This is where we need a small forward that can do some things like that. Boston has Pierce, Washington has Butler, Cavs have James etc. We need a good small forward badly
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
What bother me is whenever
Ellis try to end the quarter he always try to drive to the basket and end up with a turnover. He waited until the final seconds drive then never bother to past.
Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........
Ranolph was amazing
he was the main factor why this was just 4thQ collapse instead of 4 Q of collapse
his rebounding was factor what kept this game into more running mode -he still was taking some shots i’d not like him to take but he managed to make those and some even with foul
also my congrats to Stoneface Warrior for another great game for backup C
and now -go out and win some game plz
31 Y 6.5 ft 250 lbs 0 IQ
Fire Nellie! Fire Cohan! Fire Gregory! Fire David Stern! No need for explanations, just fire em all!
by Missing Barry
*Randolph
31 Y 6.5 ft 250 lbs 0 IQ
Fire Nellie! Fire Cohan! Fire Gregory! Fire David Stern! No need for explanations, just fire em all!
by Missing Barry
by Lat We N Trash on Dec 6, 2009 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
That explains it all, damn!
Well at least we din’t let the Magic tie their shoe laces with the clock running :>)
Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 6, 2009 9:19 PM PST reply actions
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