20 games into the season, 6 wins. How many will we have when it's all said and done?
by myk on Dec 7, 2009 7:55 PM PST
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PrintSo we're about a quarter of the way through the season, our record is 6-14, and we just came off a very embarassing loss to OKC. Monta is an all-star, and Morrow will be at all-star weekend to shoot 3's, other than these 2 facts, and a couple surprising victories, this season has been awful!
Luckily this mostly has to do with injuries and the amount of road games we've played. I expect Biedrins and Ronny to miss the rest of this roadtrip, I also expect us to go 1-3 for the rest of this roadtrip. We'll get a slight boost when Ronny and AB get back, but right now we have little to no production from our PF's. This is at least true on the road. Luckily the second half of the schedule is littered with home games. So, I expect us to turn it around a little bit and basically go .500 the second half of the season. This is assuming we don't make a trade, this is also assuming Biedrins and Turiaf make full recoveries relatively soon. If they don't and we have to keep running with Monta and the NBDL all-star's this could be a very long season...
Anyway, this post is here so people can estimate a win total for this team, and give some reasons in support of their opinion. I'll get it started. Assuming Ronny/AB come back soon/100%, and AR/Curry/Morrow improve, I'm estimating 33 wins for this team.
33's my number, what's yours?
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I think we’ll win between 30 and 35 games, and I think that’s the consensus opinion right now.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 7, 2009 7:59 PM PST reply actions
We Need To Get BOSH
Now I love AR4 and Biedrins, especially Biedrins. But if thats what it takes to land Bosh then please do it.
Having Bosh would create double teams in the post and that allows our 3 point shooters (Morrow, Curry, Watson, Radman) get wide open shots. Also, it’ll open the weak side up for Monta’s slashing to the rim.
The Time Is Now! Win Warriors Win!
And after we don’t make the playoffs (which is pretty likely given our poor start), we won’t even have Bosh around anymore, so we won’t even have something to show for it….
by Missing Barry on Dec 7, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
If we trade for him
we’d only do it if he signs an extension….
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Which won't happen
Because no self-respecting player wants to play for the Warriors with the ownership of Cohan and Team President Robert Rowell.
Well.....
I’m thinking Bosh will come in here and get us enough wins to make the playoffs. We just need to make something happen sooner before the Warriors continue digging themselves into a bigger hole.
The Time Is Now! Win Warriors Win!
Even with Bosh we’re in the bottom half of Western Conference playoff teams. Considering we’re 6-14 25% of the way through the season, it’s unlikely adding him gets us into the playoffs.
by Missing Barry on Dec 8, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
no
why bosh? we should sign lebron and wade nd then get kobe for veterans minimum in a couple of years. imagine wade, kobe and lebron together running nellie ball, and morrow will be open for 3 all the time!
definitely
then i think we should trade chris hunter for dwight howard and c.j. watson for chris paul……dude just imagine….chris paul, d-wade, kobe, lebron, and dwight howard….perfect nellieball………nice idea bro
by Morrow is wet!!! on Dec 7, 2009 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
Well, if we’re going to fantasize about a team, why include Kobe? Let’s go for the best of the best! Give me Paul, Lebron, Wade, Duncan and Howard.
by Missing Barry on Dec 8, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
We will finish 5-77
The refs will remove a win
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seriously, that was some bad 3rd Q officiating.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
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yes...
STEPH SUCKS…. NELLIE’S GOTTA GO… trade steph and andris…. again steph’s no good everybody, bad pick, but i love my team. god i miss 06-07
When Steve Nash was in his 3rd year in the league, he was 24 years old. He played in 40 games, averaging over 30 minutes per game. He averaged 8.9 points per 36 minutes, 3.2 rebounds, 6.2 assists, and 2.4 turnovers. It was a good decision by Dallas to give up on him then.
The point is – are you really trying to judge Curry already, 19 games into his career?
by Missing Barry on Dec 7, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
It's a new thing on GSoM.
He’s not good now, so he’s never gonna be good.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 7, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
Pessimism
It’s something that reigns supreme in Bay Area sports.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 7, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
Definitely
It can be justified for all Bay Area sports teams and that includes college teams as well.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 8, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
"STEPH SUCKS"....
dude….do u even watch the NBA/(Warriors games)…..
by Morrow is wet!!! on Dec 7, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
35
Nellie will go eventually….. Hopefully…
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
I’d guess there’s a 5% chance of Monta being an all-star. Even if he puts up all-star numbers, he has almost no chance of getting in because of how much they tend to take winning into account. Plus, Monta is a guard in the West, which is the hardest all-star position to make.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 7, 2009 8:42 PM PST reply actions
Plus, he keeps turning it over 9 times a game….
by Missing Barry on Dec 7, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
I was trying to keep my comment as pro-Monta as possible so as to not give away my real stance on his game.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 7, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
Because he isn't a PG
The sooner we can get a real PG who can defend other guards (Curry is still learning and all) the better.
The sooner Monta can learn to dribble the ****ing ball the better.
by Missing Barry on Dec 8, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
50
“we’ll see them again in the playoffs!”…sorry still depressed about the Niners, probably like 37 wins
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by 9ersDubsGiantSharks on Dec 7, 2009 9:05 PM PST reply actions
Monta an all-star? You do realize Deron Williams has never been to an all-star game yet don’t you? And trust me Monta (as good as he is) isn’t getting in ahead of him.
Deron Williams has never been to an all-star game
It amazes me every time I think about it. If I was starting a team and I could pick any PG, he would be my number 2 choice behind CP3.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 7, 2009 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
Theres been a guy in the West named Steve Nash who has been a pretty good PG too while D-Will has been in the league
by freerandolph on Dec 7, 2009 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but Williams is.....
The better all-around player. Nash is flashy, but he turns the ball over more than any point guard in the league and offensively he has good numbers nothing great, and what makes Nash the most overrated point guard in the NBA is that he’s the worst defenderin the NBA.
There’s no excuse for a point guard to be averaging .4 steals per game.
Nash is a bad defender
but he is an other worldly offensive basketball player. When it comes to helping his team score points, I don’t think there’s a player on the planet better than Nash. The numbers I’ve seen say Nash is responsible for 11 points above avg (per 100 possessions) offensively, which is just absurd (he also costs his team about 2.5 points per 100 possessions on D, but I think most people teams would be willing to take that hit).
offensively he has good numbers nothing great
Um, I’m not sure what you define as great in this case? It would have to be like watching Magic Johnson play a bunch of 8th graders or something. Nash is averaging 12.4 assists per 36 minutes, he scores 17-19 points per 36 minutes (he’s at 18.9 this year) on well above 60% TS%. That’s absurdly good. That’s like…mind boggling good. Great doesn’t even begin to describe that. His offense is off the charts.
by Missing Barry on Dec 8, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
Yawn
Nash is averaging 12.4 assists per 36 minutes, he scores 17-19 points per 36 minutes (he’s at 18.9 this year) on well above 60% TS%
Look at per 36 minutes rate 4.2 turnovers! Which is worst than Ellis. Also, Look at the fact the Suns after tonight are 3-5 playing teams that are .500 or better.
In the five losses Nash averages 4.4 turnovers per game. It doesn’t matter how well Nash shoots, if he can’t take care of the ball!
He averages those in 36 minutes, but the problem is you’ll never see Nash play a full 36 minutes because of his age.
Look at per 36 minutes rate 4.2 turnovers! Which is worst [sic] than Ellis.
As many others have pointed out, against roughly the same number of turnovers (well, 0.1 per 36 more), Monta drops only 37% as many dimes per 36 as Nash.
Also, Look at the fact the Suns after tonight are 3-5 playing teams that are .500 or better.I’m looking. Not sure what the hidden meaning is, but I’m pretty sure you’ll enlighten us.
In the five losses Nash averages 4.4 turnovers per game.About what one would expect, given the overall TO rate cited above.
It doesn’t matter how well Nash shoots, if he can’t take care of the ball!Actually, it does.
the problem is you’ll never see Nash play a full 36 minutes because of his age.
He played 41 minutes tonight — the 10th time this season (in 22 games) he’s played 36 or more. Not quite sure this qualifies as “never.”
There will be no extra point!
Look, I know you’ve already formed an opinion so you’re just going to argue it, but seriously consider this: you’re dead wrong. Don’t say anything back until you listen and think about these facts.
First, Nash is averaging over 32 minutes per game. So, he might not play 36, but the point of per 36 numbers is just to give us a rate stat that evens things out, it’s not an attempt to inflate his stats. Yes, Nash turns the ball over some, but that’s just a product of how often he has the ball in his hands. This same thing leads to him being a dominant offensive force – and the ridiculously good numbers he puts up far outweigh an extra turnover a game. You’re acting like he’s pulling a Monta and turning it over 9 times. Hardly.
As for your 3-5, what does that have to do with Nash being a dominant offensive force? Take a statistics class, please. 8 games doesn’t mean anything.
I’ll repeat the numbers, and instead of trying to find incorrect faults with them, I challenge you to do this – find a PG that averages BETTER numbers than Nash. Seriously, try.
12.4 assists per 36 minutes. 11.1 assists per game (leading the NBA, only one other player is in double digits – Deron Williams – at 10.0). 18.9 points per 36 minutes. 17.0 points per game. 63.7 TS%. Do you understand just how much this helps his team win? His turnovers are nothing compared to how good these stats are. Again, I really want to emphasize this – find a PG who’s outperforming Nash offensively. You won’t be able to.
by Missing Barry on Dec 8, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
Hard to outperform someone from the bench. Chris Paul’s played 11 games. Anyways, this is exactly what I was hoping you’d say.
Chris Paul is one of the top 3 offensive players in the NBA. The fact that he’s the only example you could find that may be better than Nash says a lot. Nash is that good.
(By the way, I like how you didn’t even bother to give evidence that Paul’s outproducing Nash. Way to add substance to the conversation)
by Missing Barry on Dec 9, 2009 7:25 AM PST up reply actions
Speaking of TS %
Paul’s at 69.5
Turnovers per game 2.2 per game while dishing out 9.7 assists per game for Paul not to mention the fact he’s shootiing 58.3 percent from the field, 62.5 percent from beyond the arc, and 85.5 percent from the free throw line.
Nash is at 11.1 assists per game and 3.8 turnovers per game.
Williams is at 9.2 assists per game and 3.3 turnovers per game.
Paul’s assist to turnover ratio is 4.41 to 1
Nash’s assist to turnover ratio is 2.92 to 1
Williams is at 2.78 to 1
Chris Paul… [blah blah]
Paul is also the greatest point guard of his era, and one of the three or four greatest of all time.
Further, I’m not sure you really get the concept of small sample sizes. Paul’s played 12 games so far this season and taken 97 shots. His TS% is currently propped up by an amazing .629 3FG%, which may indicate a real improvement in this area, but, for a guy who had never broken 37% before in his career, is almost certainly unsustainable. Over the last four seasons, in 4,533 FGA, Paul’s TS% has been very-good-to-excellent, but still not nearly as good as Nash’s. Shooting efficiency is the one area where Nash has him beat.
Williams … Paul … assist to turnover…
Yay. So you’ve discovered that, by assist-to-turnover ratio, Nash is somewhere between the consensus Best PG in the NBA and the consensus Second-Best PG in the NBA.
Again, it sounds distinctly like you have no clue what you’re even arguing anymore.
There will be no extra point!
Ah, so you did add some substance. I’ll take back my earlier parentheses. Anyways, the point I’d like to add is that assist to turnover ratio is not a very good stat. Giving their total lines (assists per game or per 36 minutes, turnovers per game or per 36 minutes) is the better way to go (as you did initially).
by Missing Barry on Dec 9, 2009 7:27 AM PST up reply actions
But I said if I was starting a team. Nash is probably my favorite PG of all time because I love his approach to the game (he treats it like a game, has fun, enjoys watching the people around him do well, and has tremendous basketball IQ). However, he’s too old now for me to consider him as a top pick if I’m just starting a team.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 7, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
I would take Deron Williams as my 2 guard over Monta…
by Missing Barry on Dec 8, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
I'm going with 25 low estimate, 30 max
If we get Biedrins and Turiaf back in a reasonable amount of time we can win 30, otherwise with extended Mikki Moore time, this team is doomed.
This is just frustrating beyond belief, and it's HARD not to blame management
I look at our mediocre roster. We actually got less talent than last year. Traded belinelli for an insurance covered paycheck. Traded Crawford for the same. I’m not saying we should have kept them both. Biedrins, BWright, Turiaf, buike injuries were bad luck. But we essentially traded for 3 players who aren’t gonna suit up (speedy, george, raja) leaving us 3 roster spots short. Those 3 roster spots could be the difference between a couple wins. Monta, CJ, etc. cannot be going 48 minutes every night and thats what’s most frustrating. We have no shot.
Now it’s not december 15 yet, so we can’t trade speedy or george. But if we don’t make some sort of move I’m hardpressed to feel management has any motivation. Something i’ve always questioned.
More so the simple fact we have 2 players total from our 2006-8 rotation (1 is injured) and all were given away or let walk for more or less BWright, it’s easy to see why the mainstream media has no respect for the warriors.
But if we don’t make some sort of move I’m hardpressed to feel management has any motivation.
I’m sure they’ll simply just let the contracts expire and save Cohan some money. After all, it IS all about the bottom line in Warrior land, right?
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by JustSomeName on Dec 8, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
and thats my biggest problem.
Ok Crawford dump is (somewhat) understandable especially considering claxton (being insurance paid) is a very valuable trading asset….. but did letting Belinelli go really save much money? No. We could have easily just not picked up his option and if he had a good year, resigned him. He’d still be our restricted FA… Even then isn’t a 23 year old SG a more valuable expiring than a 32 (fat) unplayable SF?
Although I hated that Belinelli for George trade,
Didn’t Toronto pay George’s contract on top of getting Belinelli, which meant a free player for us? Even though he doesn’t do anything that’s remotely “productive” on or off the court. Basically another way for Cohan to save a couple million.
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by JustSomeName on Dec 8, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
undisclosedq
we know they gave us cash, dunno if they paid all.
It was 100% financial which was annoying since we already dumped crawford for financial reasons. we dumped 2 players who started fair chunks of times for financial reasons. This team didn’t have enough talent to begin with to do that it just speaks to management’s priorities….
even basketball-wise if you don’t care for belinelli he was 100% a better fit for our system than devean george
point being... injuries happen but
we brought this situation upon ourselves and thats what upsets me the most
before the season
i said 35 max, with everything going right. not a lot is going right at the moment, so unless there’s a huge change i’m thinking it’s gonna end up sub-30
We'll get enough wins for Don Nelson to pass Lenny Wilkens so that he can go back to Maui for good.
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So Nellie has to come back next year and then quit 5 games in.
John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
84 including playoffs.
"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald
by WarriorForLife on Dec 8, 2009 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
30 wins means 24-38, right?
Shouldn’t we look at the remaining schedule and try to imagine 24 possible victories? If we had looked at the existing (that is, past) schedule, wouldn’t we have thought, well, they could be 10-10 now? Even to imagine 24-38 leaves us probably closer to 18-44. I say 26. And that’s still 18 fun nights, could be worse. We could live in NY.
lets face it these dubz suck,
dont blame it on injury because those injurys would only help so much..maybe 4-5 more wins
DUBfan4life!!!!
Are you serious? Are you watching the same team I am? Because I’m watching a team that has played Maggette almost exclusively at the 4, and when he wasn’t playing the 4, he was playing C. We’re giving Mikki Moore minutes…
Having our big guys back will help enormously.
by Missing Barry on Dec 9, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
In fairness
5 more wins and we’re 12-9, the #7 seed in the West. Sounds about right. :-)
Beyond losing 3 of our 4 best big men, I think people might be underestimating how important Kelenna was to this team: our second best slasher (taking some pressure of Monta), second best perimeter shooter (perfect for onlxn’s long-distance romantic plans), and best perimeter defender.
100% healthy, with some stability in the rotation, and a willingness from Nellie to play bigger, this team could realistically have won 45-50 games this season, imo.
There will be no extra point!
Well, I took that more as 5 more wins over the course of the season, I dunno that we’d have 5 more wins already. I’m not as optimistic as you, I would have them pegged as more of a 40 win team with good health, but yeah, overall, obviously losing the pieces we have has had a huge effect thus far.
by Missing Barry on Dec 9, 2009 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
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