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What did you do after the game ended tonight?
Threw something at the TV.
36 votes
Yelled at a person/pet in my room/house.
37 votes
Locked myself in my room and cringed.
17 votes
Did a facepalm and wept.
45 votes
Put a paper bag over my head.
29 votes
Looked for some voodoo dolls to stab pins in.
14 votes
Scheduled another appointment with my psychologist.
28 votes
Other (specify in comments)
27 votes

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Sorry guys

I haven’t been to sleep yet. I’m exhausted and I can’t wait for more links to come in right now. So please enjoy the poll and whatever links I’ve found so far. I’ll check back after a good nap.

by IQofaWarrior on Dec 7, 2009 9:05 PM PST reply actions  

Psychologist

That’s a good idea.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 7, 2009 9:12 PM PST reply actions  

Other

Went to NFL network and watched highlights of my Raiders to cheer me up.

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"

by dubzfan on Dec 7, 2009 9:13 PM PST reply actions  

How often do we get to say that?

It was a great Raiders win.

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by worldblee on Dec 7, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sure things will pick up that much with more healthy players

But it would be nice to have AB and AM in our rotation. When healthy, we have the players to play something other than small ball, which will give us a better chance to match up with big teams.

Tonight’s game was not good to watch.

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by worldblee on Dec 7, 2009 9:13 PM PST reply actions  

For some reason

this loss felt worse than the Kings/Clippers games.

by Reverend_Randy on Dec 7, 2009 9:17 PM PST reply actions  

A really dispiriting game for those of us who are rooting for the Keith Smart era to begin… this was the same crappy coaching Nellie’s been giving us. 48 minutes for Monta and CJ, in a December road game when you’re 6-13 and have four bigs on the bench? I mean, is anyone surprised that Monta has been falling apart in every second half, because defenses have gotten completely used to his rhythms and he’s gotten completely gassed?

Losing to OKC is fine… they’re better than we are. But this small-for-its-own-sake iron-man-for-no-reason crap is embarrassing. If this is our future, color me frequently drunk in the future.

Ladies and gentlemen, your Golden State Worriers.

by onlxn on Dec 7, 2009 9:20 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Smart

seems terrified of deviating from the Nellie mantra of “play the smalls at all costs”. I guess his fear is justified, since if he wants to slide smoothly into the head coaching job after Nellie’s departure, he’s gotta keep Nellie happy while he is still around. IMO though, Smart is not the answer. This is the assistant who has supposedly been put in charge of “defense” for the team?

by randolphforpresident on Dec 7, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

He also has an unreasonable love for Mikki Moore. Since Hunter came aboard, in 3 games, Nellie has only seen fit to give Mikki about 8 min per game. Meanwhile in 6 games, Mikki is averaging about 20 min per game under Smart.

by cheesy poofs on Dec 7, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

what are you going to do?

go BIG with a lineup of Hunter, Moore and Randolph? They would have run us off the floor a lot earlier than they did. This loss is on Monta – again. He dominated the ball again and the offense never had any flow. It was “set me a screen so I can drive to the basket” – Allen Iverson shit with another 9 TO’s.
In fact when Jim asked “have you ever seen anyone work this hard to score?” – I thought, yeah AI 30 points on 30 shots.
Now I know we are short handed any not many guys made shots but AR was in the game for 9 minutes in the first half (coming off of his great game) and he didn’t touch the ball on offense. It’s hard to get into the game when you don’t touch the ball and that goes for every player on the team.

John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

by triplesix on Dec 7, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I did:

One of the few to have appreciated Cap'n Jax. Do well in NC, get that 8th seed!

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by ejdacanay on Dec 7, 2009 9:42 PM PST reply actions  

Comment should be filed under humor because obviously you have no clue what you're talking about

“I’m a kings fan but have multiple Warriors on my fantasy team, and so watch them all of the time. I will say that I have NEVER (I’m 43) seen a more selfish player than Monta Ellis.”

That’s hilarous considering that the Kings have Kevin Martin. Martin doesn’t even come close to what Ellis averages over 20 points per game, 5 assists, and 4 rebounds. Has Martin ever contributed like that in the NBA? Nope.

Ellis’s turnovers happen for a few reason sometimes he gets too ahead of himself before he drives, some are unforced like the traveling violations, and others are clearly when he gets fouled, but no call comes.

It’s also hard to get assists when Ellis does make the pass and finds a shooter like Curry, Morrow, and Radmanovich who end up missing the wide open shot.

Curry is also another player that handles the ball for the Warriors. The problem is that Curry doesn’t run the offense nearly as effectively as Ellis because Curry can’t finish at the rim like Ellis can.

At the end of the year Ellis will not be leading the league in turnovers, Steve Nash will be. I wonder how you would complain about Nash if he is the one leading the league in turnovers.

The only ones impeding the progress of Randolph, Curry, and Morrow is themselves. Morrow is one dimensonal who needs to work on his ballhandling skills, Curry has to do a better job of valuing the ball and making smarter passes. Too many times this year Curry has just given teams layups by throwing careless passes, and Randolph is just too inconsistent he needs to find the ability to hit that mid range jumper and then take it to the rim and be more in control.

Right now the Warrriors are at a serious disadvantage because of injuries. If the Warriors had a healthy team Ellis doesn’t play 48 minutes nearly every game. He plays 35-38, which will help him keep those turnovers down and fresh in games.

Thanks for the comment even though it was only good for a laugh.

by Rocky63215 on Dec 7, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

“It’s also hard to get assists when Ellis does make the pass and finds a shooter like Curry, Morrow, and Radmanovich who end up missing the wide open shot.”
Yeah, Morrow, the best shooter in the league, misses wide open shots.
I think you’re going out of your way too much out of your way to defend Monta and appear condescending to really think about what you’re saying.

by Reverend_Randy on Dec 7, 2009 11:18 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Even if it is true that I don’t know what I am talking about with the Warriors (a valid opinion), your response regarding Kevin Martin is a complete non sequitur – I didn’t ever comment on Kevin Martin so what does that have to do with Monta Ellis?

In addition, maybe you should check out some statistics. Steve Nash leads the league in assists and has an assist-to-TO ratio in the top 30 He gets 1.8 assists per turnover MORE production per turnover than does Monta (3.6 points) – to put this in perspective, statistically, if Nash had Monta’s 9 TOs last night he would also have had (on average) 16.2 MORE assists than Monta’s average. Of couse, Monta himself fell WAY below his own plummeting ratio (1.2-1), or we could have expected 10.8 assists from him. Nash would have had 27 assists in holding with his assist/TO ratio (3.0). Those are just averages, but they in no way support your argument about Nash. If Nash leads the league in TOs, he will still be a gigantically superior distributor than will Monta.

Monta is a hugely, talented FINISHER. He is a two-guard who can spell the point. Plus, your position regarding Curry, Randolph and Morrow is nonsensical. They have two full seasons between them. Why pick on them as opposed to a player who has FAR more experience and plays the most minutes on the team? Your excuses for Monta smack of complete favoritism.

In short I blame the coaches who are letting a single player inefficiently run their young team straight into the ground. I don’t mind the up-tempo at all with this team (especially with the injuries), but they need to move the ball and not let it stagnate. Monta should get fined for taking a shot before making one pass in a half court set.

by Hoops Mike on Dec 8, 2009 8:23 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Since Jackson left, Monta’s assist-to-TO ratio is .92. His way of becoming a leader is trusting his teammates less.

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 8, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Tiny correction: figuring an assist = 2 points is a touch low. A limited number of assists are credited to three point baskets, and a limited number result in three point plays with a foul. If I recall correctly, the average assist is associated with 2.2 points scored.

by jae on Dec 8, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Just look at the shot distribution every night. Monta has no patience to try to get others involved, he is too short sighted to try to get teammates games’ going before getting his own shot. If they miss that sparse shot Monta does dish it to them, Monta freezes them out and instead goes back to forcing his 1-3s. It is almost Jackson-like, but Monta is a little better at doing it. If Monta is going to handle the ball so much, it is up to him and the coach to make sure he gets people involved. How are people getting involved when half the time we just run Isos? Our half-court game is absolutely pathetic.

Even Kobe cannot carry a team on his back, you can rely on him to make the clutch shot, but he cannot carry the whole game. That’s why he has 4 other teammates. Nellie needs to let Curry and CJ run the point more, keep Monta to no more than 35 minutes. Hell, we now have more active bigs than guards, why are we still playing our only remaining guards practically 48 a night?

by Badly Browned on Dec 8, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

It is almost Jackson-like, but Monta is a little better at doing it.

Statistically, this is not true. Jack’s TS% was 53% last season. Monta’s is at 52.2%. Jackson had 1.23 points per shot last season. Monta is at 1.18. Monta has the slightly better aFG% at 47.6% vs Jack’s 46.6%.

Jack had 6.5 assists to 3.9 tovs w/ an assist to tov ratio of 1.66. Monta is at 5.2 assists and 4.6 tovs with a ratio of 1.13. Jack collected 5.1 rebs per game from the 3, Monta has picked up 4.2 rebs playing the 2 & 3.

only our bias toward the players makes us believe that Jack is less effective at it than Monta.

by homer simpson on Dec 8, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

In fairness … Jackson’s 53-54% with the Warriors looks like a career peak — he’s at .522 career (career high of .540), and has dipped to .488 this season. Monta, meanwhile, is at .545 career (career high of .580). Given that players tend to improve their shooting efficiency as they enter their mid 20s, I don’t think it’s unreasonable, going forward, to expect Monta to outperform Jackson in this regard pretty significantly.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 8, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

He goes one-on-three constantly, routinely passing up open men at 16 feet. He handles the ball constantly, even when it is apparent that it is not conducive to team ball. Every one is standing around doing nothing because Monta holds the ball for an average of about 16 seconds per shot clock. He is the Corey Maggette of point guards. It is incredible that they are on the same team. Two black holes orbiting each other in every game. One of the reasons you see a young AR jacking up idiotic shots is because nobody ever passes him the ball when he works to get position, rather, Monta clears out and goes one-on-three 80% of the time.

This comment should be filed under – realistic objective analysis of Monta Ellis’ game

Thank you for that – as a Warrior fan I root for the Kings when they are good b/c lord knows my Warriors never will be!

John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

by triplesix on Dec 7, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Mikki Moore 3-3, Steph Curry 6-11 (2-4 from 3) on jumpers, even CJ was 3-7 (1-2 from 3). maybe Hunter, but he only got 1 shot.

by cheesy poofs on Dec 7, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, Curry

May have gone 6-11 from the field but he disappears in games and recently has gotten into foul trouble. So, it’s hard for Ellis to have anyone to pass too like Curry if he’s sitting on the bench in foul trouble.

Moore may have gone 3-3, but again there’s no way you trust Moore shooting jumpers and don’t forget one of those shots was an easy dunk and I believe he also had a layup, so only 1-1 from 16 feet.

by Rocky63215 on Dec 7, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions  

um… he disappears b/c he defers to Monta & Monta doesn’t look for him even after he’s hit a couple shots in a row. CJ’s shooting % was higher than Monta’s too.

if you freeze out your teammates for 2 or 3 minutes and they are taking one shot every 7 minutes, if you’ve ever played organized basketball it’s difficult for those players to get a rhythm when you’re touching the ball so infrequently.

so far the statistics show the Warriors are a much better offensive team when Monta is off the court (82games). Houston shows you don’t need a dominant scorer to be an average NBA offense in terms of efficiency (which is what the Warriors are.

no one is saying that Monta shouldn’t take 20 shots a game – ppl are just saying him taking almost 30 which comes with about 7 tov/g doesn’t work. i just hope ppl like you who don’t see this are of jr high school age.

by homer simpson on Dec 8, 2009 8:38 AM PST up reply actions  

he disappears in games

Rocky, I’ve noticed you use this term a few times in your diaries; not sure you’re aware how funny it sounds in the context of your otherwise faux-journalistic style. You understand that Stephen Curry doesn’t actually disappear, like Nightcrawler from the X-Men … right?

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 8, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

One issue with a high vol shooter is that they provide an easy target for the defense to key on. This isn’t the same thing as expecting Mikki to be a 14 FGA player, but Monta could take 4 fewer shots and give 1 more to guys are are more likely to be open. Giving up the shots that he’s taking when he’s heavily guarded and it’s very likely that those 4 shots will wind up resulting in more points than they are now.

There is always someone else to pass to.

The “he has no one to pass to” excuse got used forever with Iverson, yet when he was out of the 6er’s lineup, they strangely had about the same FG% as a team as they did when he was in the lineup. Defenses keyed on him more than they could have if he shared it a bit more. Iverson could have shared the ball more. His team would have done better. Similarly, we’d do better if Monta didn’t force the action to the point of him missing 11 shots and turning the ball over 4 1/2 times a game.

by jae on Dec 8, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

You're missing the point...

I’m sure this will fall on deaf ears but I have got to humor myself.

Monta Ellis can’t take all of the shots for this team. If he is like you and doesn’t trust any of his teammates to take open shots then we don’t have a team – we have a Monta Ellis fan club.

John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

by triplesix on Dec 7, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions  

That's a given

But, so far no one has stepped up consistently making shots except for Morrow who was not in uniform tonight.

by Rocky63215 on Dec 7, 2009 11:35 PM PST up reply actions  

one on three happens because he drives past the 1st guy and their are two waiting

Do you want him to be psychic and move them with his mind?

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by dubzfan on Dec 8, 2009 9:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Two black holes orbiting each other

Is that even physically possible?

But yeah, I tend to agree with your analysis.

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 7, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with some of your points...

I think we can all agree that Monta is definately not a PG and should not be handling the ball as much as he does. I think we need to let Curry handle the ball WAY more than he does now and that would help Monta free himself up on screens and actually running an offense play instead of let Monta create his own shot every time. That is not how you win in the NBA. Monta needs to understand that its not all about him scoring all the time. If the defense doesnt respect anybody else on the floor they will key in on him and shut him down night after night in crunch time wich is what has happened the last few games. Also Curry has to step up as the true PG on the team and to start taking more control of the game and offense wich I think will happen in the 2nd half of the season once he feels more comfortable with a leadership role and Monta trust him more….

As far as the young talent goes AR is hit or miss every night. You never know what your gonna get from him or if his head will be in the game. A.Morrow is a scoring machine and needs to get more shots no doubt about it! I have no idea what the Warriors coaches are doing not running more plays for him to get open shots! One of the most frustrating things about the Warriors right now. But once again I think it all goes back to Curry has to step up as the PG on the team so we can actually try running a true NBA offensive play ever once in a while…

God Willing...

by RunTMCfan on Dec 8, 2009 6:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Lol this got recd by our 7 Monta haters

The dude his selfish because he knows no one can do anything else! If he decided to defer to others we would be blown out every night. If we had all our players who can help him out he wouldn’t be doing this.

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
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by dubzfan on Dec 8, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

is*

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"

by dubzfan on Dec 8, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

We are already getting blown out with Monta trying to do
 everything. Is it really that hard for him to take 5 less shots a game and dish it to a teammate for a higher percentage shot?

by Badly Browned on Dec 8, 2009 3:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Is it really that hard for him to take 5 less shots a game and dish it to a teammate for a higher percentage shot?

Apparently, for him it is, though I agree that this is a tremendous problem.

by jae on Dec 8, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I voted other,

I drank like a maniac before the game(tcu vs Boise State), and wasnt suprised with the results…..
post game(i live in boise and nobody cares about the warriors) i went on a drunken monday tirade about draft picks, maximing talent, coaching, and fg %. No one cared, however, Here’s to hoping that the Warriors are some how relevant one day…..

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Dec 7, 2009 10:03 PM PST reply actions  

I know there’s still those who will argue that “we still haven’t seen if Monta can handle the point” since Curry has had the job much of the time, but Monta’s turnover rate is ridiculous and seems headed in the wrong direction. Yes, his turnover rate is similar to Nash’s, but Nash manages to get the ball into the hands of his teammates considerably more often in the process.

Point guard FAIL:

by jae on Dec 7, 2009 10:15 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

couldn't agree more

John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

by triplesix on Dec 7, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Gee

Could it be because that Nash has much more talented playes around him as in Jason Richardson and Amare Stoudemire. Who does Monta have? Oh and at least Monta plays defense something that Nash has no concept of.

by Rocky63215 on Dec 7, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude..

he’s averaging like 10 TO’s a game and putting up like 30 shots. Are those the kind of numbers you want from your PG?

John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

by triplesix on Dec 7, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions  

He's not a point guard

Stephen Curry is the point guard of the team, Ellis has and always will be a shooting guard. Ellis has been asked to handle the ball more because of the fact that Curry still is learning the position of being an NBA point guard.

Ellis this year has 11 games of five or more assists. Were you complaining when Ellis had 11 turnovers against the Dallas Mavericks, but the Warriors won? Were you complaining that Ellis went 15-29 from the field with 37 points, 8 assists, and 4 steals?

by Rocky63215 on Dec 7, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Yea, people on here are basically bi-polar.

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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 7, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Were you complaining that Ellis went 15-29 from the field with 37 points, 8 assists, and 4 steals?

No b/c as a fan I was glad we won the game and he played well – but I was still pissed that he turned it over 11 TIMES that game.

John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

by triplesix on Dec 7, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

He’s not a point guard

Good – then you agree.

John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

by triplesix on Dec 7, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Were you complaining when Ellis had 11 turnovers against the Dallas Mavericks, but the Warriors won?

As a matter of fact, I was.

Here was what Naticus2 commented in the recap for that game:

I had to choose Monta as the Warrior wonder, despite his TO’s and the fact that his +/- was lower than Curry’s. He plays so hard and carries the team, taking the pressure off of them. His defense is superior to Curry’s as well. I give him his props.

And here was my reply:

It’s a wonder how Monta can turn the ball over so much.

You see what I did there?

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 7, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions  

You’re not actually making a case that Monta is in the same universe as Nash as a distributor … are you? It sounds a bit like you’re so full of sarcasm and bile that you’ve lost track of what your point is.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 7, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

actually Nash plays good help defense and though he’s not a good defender, it’s not like he’s getting scored on every time down – they wouldn’t be 15-6 if that were so.

he’s like a slightly better version of Dunleavy out there on defense. i’d rather have someone like Nash who tries to play position defense than someone like CJ who gambles for steals all the time putting his big men at risk for fouls on help defense. even if the help is successful, a lot of times it just leads to put backs b/c the big had to leave his man. though it really helped Ronny & others pad their block stats last season.

by cheesy poofs on Dec 7, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Nash is the worst defensive player in the league

He is not a good help defender unless you mean if he tries to flop and even then he doesn’t have the footwork to get over in time.

The Suns are 15-6 because they’ve had an easy schedule. A majority of the games they have played were against teams that were well under .500.

So far the Suns have played the Suns, Clippers, Timberwolves, Heat, Magic, Celtics, Wizards, 76ers, Hornets, Lakers, Raptors, Rockets, Hornets, Pistons, Grizzlies, Raptors, Knicks, Cavaliers, Kings, and Lakers.

The Suns have lost to the Magic, Lakers twice, Hornets, Cavaliers, and Knicks. Only two of those teams are under .500. The Knicks and Hornets.

In terms of winning against teams that are .500 the Hornets have beaten the Celtics, Heat, and Rockets. Meaning that the Suns are 3-4 against teams with a .500 records, why do you suppose that is? The Suns do not play defense and it starts with their leader Nash.

The Suns are 27th in the league in giving up points and a lot of that has to do with the fact that opposing points guards can easily get around Nash.

by Rocky63215 on Dec 7, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions  

So far the Suns have played the Suns

Who won? :P

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 8, 2009 12:40 AM PST up reply actions  

? They were still 45-37 last season too. Who cares who they are beating? If Nash were as bad as you say, they should be more like Toronto with Calderon & Co.‘s poor defense (though they’ve played better d the last few games).

Per 36 min, opposing PG’s put up 14.2 points, 6.4 assists, 3.1 rebs, 1.8 tov with an effective shooting % of 43.4%. He’s hardly getting burned.

The Suns have played better defense per possession with him on the court (109.9 points per 100 possessions vs 113.3 points per 100 possessions).

by homer simpson on Dec 8, 2009 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

But but but

Nash is the worst defensive player in the league!!!!

Nash is a case where I think plus-minus is a very telling measure of the player. I mean, weirdness can always occur in small sample sizes, but in Nash we’re talking about a guy who, including this season, has helped his team more than any other Sun in each of the last six seasons, going all the way back to 2004/05.

Whatever Nash is doing when he’s on court, it’s a huge boost to Suns’ chances of winning basketball games.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 8, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I blame it on Ellis

Not having anyone skilled inside to run the pick and roll with as well as the lack of other players that can actually shoot. The other team can just converge on him with 3 guys since they dont have to worry about anyone else and they dont have to worry about being called for a foul.

Ellis is definitely slightly to blame, but with a roster this depleted I put it far more on the lack of players that don’t have butter fingers on the team (Andris) to pass to inside.

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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 7, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions  

if he actually passed.

John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

by triplesix on Dec 7, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

how can he pass when the other team can just swarm him with 3 guys

the other guys need to get in better position when they have no one on them, maybe a slash or something so Ellis can get a decent angle to actually pass.

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by LostHawkGSW on Dec 7, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Every offense has ‘outs’ installed. Ellis just chooses to ignore them. He needs to scale back his AI mindset, but the coaches need to help him do this by restricting his playing time to 36-38 minutes.

They should play Curry off the bench & let him initiate the offense & get others involved. if nothing else, Morrow & Maggette can score.

among the currently active squad, Monta is the 3rd worst in effective FG% as well as in Points per shot. as bad as everyone thinks the other guys have been doing, they’re all doing better than Monta in efficiency – Monta needs to recognize this and get his teammates more shots. Right now he’s driving looking to score or get fouled instead of driving to pass. if the opposition thought he might pass the ball, you wouldn’t see this “3rd guy”. you’d see the typical 2nd help defender that comes to everyone who drives the lane.

Monta may be funner to watch for most, but statistically he’s been worse than Jack was last yr in terms of TS%, assists, tovs, rebounding, fouling. And a Jackson led injury riddled team produced 29 wins…..

by homer simpson on Dec 8, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Yep. I see no reason to fault his attitude, as others seem to be doing - he’s trying to help. But he’s not a point guard, and he’s not big enough, versatile enough or good enough to be a one-man team. The ’07’08 Monta was much more effective than this Superman version.

It’s time to dial him back to 34 minutes a game and quietly shift playmaking responsibilities more towards Curry and CJ. It will help the team and it will help Monta. There’s no point in forcing a player to slam into his ceiling night after night.

Ladies and gentlemen, your Golden State Worriers.

by onlxn on Dec 8, 2009 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

unintended crossthru

Ladies and gentlemen, your Golden State Worriers.

by onlxn on Dec 8, 2009 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

this is by far

THE funniest poll ever!!! i couldnt even decide what to pick…i eventually went with
“look for voodoo dolls to stab pins in” it was a close tie between face palm, yelling at someone (my bro) nd paper bag
HAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAAHA

by warriorsnation on Dec 7, 2009 11:57 PM PST reply actions  

Thank you!

Had to think of something original on another depressing loss.

by IQofaWarrior on Dec 8, 2009 5:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Damon Andrews: The Thunder are a very good team. They'll make the playoffs out of the Eastern Conference.

XD

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by Zorgon on Dec 8, 2009 2:33 AM PST reply actions  

Other

I didnt finish watching the game. I did myself a very good Bruschetta instead

F**K REFS

by faetati on Dec 8, 2009 9:06 AM PST reply actions  

I did myself a very good Bruschetta

Dude: family show!

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 8, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

WHAT???????????

What are you talkin about??? I´m talking about this:

F**K REFS

by faetati on Dec 9, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

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