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When did a rookie who was the last pick in the lottery, putting up 5.6 ppg (42.1% FG) and twice as many turnovers as assists, and couldn't even get invited to the Rook-Soph All-Star game become a "high-profile" player?

I honestly feel bad for the kid though. He's got his boys and family telling him he's the man, when right now in the NBA, he just isn't- not even close. Randolph shouldn't be listening to them; he should be listening to a former longtime NBA player, All-Star, and three-time champion like BJ Armstrong.

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Ruh-oh...

this could be Randolph’s first move towards getting the hell out of this loosing franchise (which, I suppose ain’t bad, I’d hate to see the kid go to waste on this team).

by FishStix on Feb 2, 2009 12:03 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

BJ was bad mouthing his own client, like AR or not, thats a BAD agent

i like how you list things he did in his playing career as reasons AR should keep him arounnd.

by 123707THIZZ on Feb 2, 2009 12:16 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

BJ's clearly too honest, forthright, and not cut out for the work

He was probably frustrated to the point of insanity by AR & his family. Whatever. Some other agent is going to blow smoke up AR’s butt, he’s going to like it, he’s going to get traded, and maybe he’ll get some PT. He’ll still suck, and he’ll burn out because he’ll never learn not to be a petulant child… or by the time he learns, it’ll be too late.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 2, 2009 6:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

man do you know what an agent does?

they are supposed to say their clients are the best, the greatest, weather its true or not. Even a Nelson jocker as yourself should know that.

by 123707THIZZ on Feb 2, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

they are supposed to say their clients are the best, the greatest, weather its true or not

  They also hafta be able to tell their clients when to shut up and put up.

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 2, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+ 1

but not to the media you dont!

by 123707THIZZ on Feb 2, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Man do you know how to read?
BJ’s clearly too honest, forthright, and not cut out for the work

Yes, typical agents appear to do what you say because you & I only hear what they tell the media. But any real good agent should be able to have an internal discussion with the player and his other handlers and say “You need to work on this, that, and the other thing. That’s why you’re not getting playing time.”

Clearly, BJ’s too honest and clearly AR and/or his family don’t want to hear what he has to say. That and it’s thoroughly unprofessional to go talking smack about your client to the media. Anybody in any business knows that. So BJ’s a bad businessman and a bad agent. That doesn’t take away from the fact that AR and apparently his family as well have continually shown that they have no idea what it takes to be a good player in the NBA. He expects it to just be handed to him, when he really has to earn it by learning what he can do to help his basketball team win basketball games. Whatever… I’m pretty much done with the prima donna.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 3, 2009 5:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have this feeling

we’re going to hear more from AR, and the stuff we hear will sound like pouting and complaining, stuff that makes him sound like he’s “entitled” to playing time.

by IQofaWarrior on Feb 2, 2009 12:20 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

"that isnt in garbage time"

rumor has it, ( dont know if its true) but players dont get to decide when they play…Dont shoot the messenger if this isnt true

by 123707THIZZ on Feb 2, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He's voicing the same opinion that many fans are

Which kinda makes sense. Cuz he’s just a fan and all. He just happens to be AR’s uncle. Does anybody know about any of the AR background situation? Is his family full of helicopter relatives? Does he have family that borrows money from him and stuff? If his uncle is getting quoted by the media (please provide a citation), that raises some serious alarm bells. Trade him to the Hawks for whatever we can still get. Even if the cat does have talent, it’ll never manifest itself in a positive manner as long as he’s letting non-basketball people tell him what to do instead of listening to his coaches.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 2, 2009 9:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

how dare you

ask me to support my quotes with evidence? link here at the sf chronicle

For all intents and purposes it sounds like Uncle is the head of Anthony’s “people.”

Personally, I don’t think this will end up w/him getting traded. This isn’t an Al Hackington situation…and AR is certainly a fan favorite. Most importantly, he’s cheap. If this means that Nelson feels a little heat and no longer trots out Rob Kurz out there (why, why Kurz?), this could be for the best. I am curious to see how it plays out, but this isn’t a Webber situation where a bonafied allstar is about to roll out on your team.

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Feb 2, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If this means that Nelson feels a little heat and no longer trots out Rob Kurz out there

  Then Kurz will hafta get a higher powered agent… and the beat goes on.

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 2, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If this means that Nelson feels a little heat and no longer trots out Rob Kurz out there (why, why Kurz?), this could be for the best.

Nelson does this in an effort to win games. I’m sure he knows that Kurz won’t overstep his responsibilities and will let the other players on the floor do what they’re supposed to do. Randolph, on the other hand, will try to do everything himself, causing confusion with the rest of the team, etc. If you think losing games is “for the best”, then by all means, throw Randolph, Kurz, Belinelli, Davidson, and Williams out there. If you think winning is for the best (and I assure you this is Nellie’s mode of thinking), then put out a team that has the best chance of winning. Right now, sadly, that means having Kurz come out and set screens, crash the boards, and take open shots because Randolph will try to dribble drive, throw crazy half court passes, and take shots outside his range.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 3, 2009 5:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

win versus losing

I’m shocked that tanking versus playing to win has not been addressed anywhere on this site before now? haha

I understand that Kurz gives him the best chance to win in the short term. It just sucks to see him out there. Perhaps that is more an indictment of my feelings towards Randolph than my feelings towards Nellie. I think if Randolph cut out the ridiculous stuff, he is exactly what the team needs. A long body willing to crash the boards, with the athletic ability to actually get above the rim (sorry kurz). My problem isn’t so much with Nellie not playing AR, but with AR not exhibiting restraint and doing what is asked of him. Then agian, he COULD be doing what is asked of him and just getting the Don Nelson cold shoulder.

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Feb 3, 2009 8:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think if Randolph cut out the ridiculous stuff, he is exactly what the team needs.

That’s the thing. Given what we’ve seen, that’s a big “IF”. Hearing his “people” talk about firing their agent because he wasn’t “aggressive” enough and wanting to “work out” the situation where there’s not situation to begin with, I don’t see this going well.

I’m sure that when he and/or his people meet with Nelson asking for more PT, Nelson says “Do your job, don’t do anything crazy out there on offense, and learn the defense. Once I know what you’re going to do out there, you’ll get more PT.” If Randolph and his people aren’t listening or trying to do those things, they might as well pack their bags.

The Warriors own his contract for the next few years (with a team option, right?), so they don’t have to make any sudden moves. But if he and his people are not going to work themselves into the team goals, he’s not going to see playing time and the Warriors seriously need to look at moving him for the right price. They’ve got plenty of time to do that, so they can be patient, but if this continues to bubble under the surface, I don’t want him poisoning the team chemistry with regular “I want more PT” leaks to Tim Kawakami (who already hates Nellie) & co.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 3, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t see him getting traded either. It’s just scary looking at his uncle’s comments:

“We certainly want it to be worked out so that Anthony can stay a Warrior for a long, long time, but there’s got to be some fire to the situation… Our message wasn’t getting across, so we’re interviewing agents. … We wanted somebody who could be very, very aggressive.”

To me, this translates to: “We want Anthony to be playing as many minutes as possible as soon as possible. Mr. Armstrong didn’t think he was ready, so wouldn’t pressure the Warriors for more playing time. We fired him and expect to hire somebody who will be in Nellie’s office every day demanding more playing time.”

“We want it to be worked out”, what needs to be “worked out”, besides AR’s jumper, attitude, etc. He needs to become a better basketball player. End of story.

“Our message wasn’t getting across”? WTF is that?

This is way too ominous for me. Just get rid of the guy and his posse. Think we could get a mid first rounder for him? Just sorta redo the pick?

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 3, 2009 6:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Imagine when BW gets healthy

Even less playing time for AR.

by mosdl on Feb 2, 2009 10:04 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Writting on the wall here

AR will be gone sooner than later. He gets no PT because he sucks according to many. Why would he stay if he’s on one of the NBA’s worst teams and still gets no PT? He’ll get traded to someone and get his chance. If that does happen, he’ll probably turn into something and we’ll all be scratching our head in typical Warrior fashion. Maybe its because its Monday, but man this organization is really crappy. If I were a Warrior, I’d rather play in Milwaukee or Indiana.

by gabezgsw on Feb 2, 2009 10:18 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I’ve been coming more and more to that conclusion myself. Last season and the season before, the young guys didn’t get much run because both years we were legitimate playoff contenders. This season, 12+ games out of the 8 spot with over half the season done and half our roster in and out with injuries, if you can’t find play time on a team this far gone then you might as well give up.

by kyzah on Feb 2, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He was getting some time before the road trip

Then nellie decided to no longer start him in the 1st and 3rd qtr

by mosdl on Feb 2, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How many 19 year olds get run in the NBA?

How many who weren’t consensus top-5 picks? how many who don’t know how to position themselves for rebounds and low-post defense when they play the PF? I think Randolph will a very good, possibly great player someday. The mere fact that he is 6’10 and can leap out of the gym, handle the ball, and shoot, makes him worth taking a chance on. But why does he think he deserves more than the 12 minutes per game he is getting? Yes his minutes have been erratic, so what? Deal with it. Marco and Wright both improved their fundamentals and their minutes stabilized, Randolph can do the same. Kid, DO NOT listen to your “friends and relatives!!!” Remember MC HAMMER? Don’t be like that.

Monta is the singular of Montus, of the Montai

by Supafishal on Feb 2, 2009 10:30 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

+1

he doesnt deserve more time, he embarrasses himself out there sometimes…

by HoLdEmUP on Feb 2, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

those guys are better at playing basketball

a lot better.

except for nelson (assuming you are referring to don, not demarcus, who got cut). while he is a much better coach than randolph, but clearly a worse basketball player.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Feb 2, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The question is not whether Don Nelson is a better player than AR. The question is whether AR’s uncle is a better coach than Nelson. :-)

My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman

by Goofus on Feb 2, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

the answer is just as simple: no.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Feb 2, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They each play a lot more than AR

And embarrass themselves just as much. Their embarrassment rates are much lower.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 3, 2009 5:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree except

I don’t think BW minutes stabilized at all…. That is the problem. BW got the Nellie milk box treatment many of times this year. He starts one game and isn’t seen again the next game. How is that stabilized?

Really we wouldn’t even be talking about BW if he hadn’t put out a good game before getting hurt against the Lakers. If he was having a bad game that game and got hurt no one would care.

by shooter1525 on Feb 2, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Completely agree Atma

I stopped reading the Kawakami article after he called Anthony Randolph a “high profile player.” Kawakami takes anybodies side who is against Don Nelson. It’s ridiculous a person can be paid to essentially write about grudges that are held for WAY too long. Kawakami has lost all professionalism and I’ve lost all the respect I had for him.

Playoffs!!??

by PAWarrior on Feb 2, 2009 10:37 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

AR
But why does he think he deserves more than the 12 minutes per game he is getting? Yes his minutes have been erratic, so what? Deal with it. Marco and Wright both improved their fundamentals and their minutes stabilized, Randolph can do the same.

I think the issue here is that Belinelli and Wright played spairingly while the team was a contender. This season was a complete wash well over 6 weeks ago coupled with the fact that there were no available bench players due to injury, yet AR still would play his 6 minutes then be abondond for the rest of the game.

Look, everyone wants playing time. Its great to see Morrow, Belinelli(when healthy) and Kurz play out there, but in a time when AR is healthy and the Dubs are way out of it, I can sympathize with him for not getting any PT. When Nellie started AR for a stretch then subbed in someone else after 5 minutes, it was almost a joke. It seems like Nellie is being curtious to AR or his agent or the fans by starting him, but actions speak louder than words and at this point the AR experiment is headed for a trade.

by gabezgsw on Feb 2, 2009 10:58 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

AR should have stayed in school longer

If he wanted to polish his game to the point where he could get more PT in the NBA. I think he has a lot of talent but he is very raw. Nellie may see enough in practice to know that he sucks at this point in his career, but I’d still like to see him on the court more in this losing season. In the case of AR, there is lots of room for growth. In the case of Kurz, what you see is what you get, more or less, and so I don’t see why you’d play him during games since it’s not like he’s helping our situation a lot when he’s in.

I hope AR doesn’t end up like Carlos Rogers. I got to know Carlos when he played here and while I liked him he never developed the basketball game to go with his physical talents.

by worldblee on Feb 2, 2009 11:47 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

As weird as it sounds,

Nellie is still trying to win. He thinks Kurz gives us a better chance, which at this point, given how many mistakes Randolph makes, is probably accurate. He is also trying to build some kind of chemistry among the more experienced, higher-priced players in order to figure out if we even have a core to move forward with. BW was headed for major minutes before he blew out his shoulder. If he comes back healthy, I expect that he will continue to see minutes. Nellie does not care about the flashy plays Randolph makes. He cares about boxing out, grabbing a rebound, defending on the ball, rotating, not turning it over carelessly, etc. His style may be abrasive, but the reality is that he is trying to teach AR to play the right way by yanking him every time he fails to do these things. Again, the kid is 19.

Monta is the singular of Montus, of the Montai

by Supafishal on Feb 2, 2009 12:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Kurz is almost a non-factor everytime he steps foot on the court

i dont even think Nelson would put him out there, if he were allowed to only play 4 heads on the court

by 123707THIZZ on Feb 2, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

a non-factor

is better than a negative.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Feb 2, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Please point out Kurz's negatives

Other than the fact that he has no longupsidepotential, which doesn’t translate to short term win shares.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 3, 2009 5:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Kurz Negatives

- For being touted as a good shooter to stretch the floor, he shoots 39% from the field
- He’s too slow and I think does a poor job of playing defense.
- He’s not a good rebounder.

by Fantasy Junkie on Feb 3, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

but he is white and hard working!!!

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Feb 3, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Kurz shoots 3.1 shots in almost 11 minutes, mostly garbage time.

Randolph shoots marginally better at 42%, but still pretty lousy. He, however, lobs up 5.6 shots every 13 minutes.

Kurz does his job without drama, he’s just happy to be earning an NBA paycheck instead of what you and I make. Randolph, on the other hand, thinks he’s a superstar, and runs around trying to make spectacular plays at the expense of useful less spectacular plays.

Yes, Kurz doesn’t do many things that well, or he would… well, not be Rob Kurz. There are certainly negatives, but he does what he’s asked. Randolph, on the other hand tries to show that he can do everything. Maybe Nellie’s trying to send a message to the kid, maybe he just doesn’t trust him on the floor yet. We have far better “playmakers” than Randolph right now, and we need AR to be a role player. He doesn’t like that, so he sits. Kurz accepts that, so he plays.

Coaches are also often toughest on those they see the most potential in. Maybe Nellie expects Randolph to be great, so he’s tough on him.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 5, 2009 7:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

he has no longupsidepotential,

  Why does he have any less potential than the other skinny kids? He seems to do what he’s been taught with little drama? and he made it thru college din’t he which says something about his resolve?

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 3, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. AR could increase his minutes exponentially if he’d box out and rebound

My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman

by Goofus on Feb 2, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

give the kid 5 minutes a game

then after that pull him or keep him in longer depending on his preformance

by 123707THIZZ on Feb 2, 2009 12:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think he will stay

but it will be rough till mid-way next season. the kid has GOT to stop traveling every other time he tries to make a move off the wing. he can’t really think he’s that good yet, but the raw physical abilities and talent are clear. his best bet is to stick with the youngest team in the league, settle down enough to get his fundamentals in check, and hope the team chemistry emerges as a whole over the next few years. you can’t blame him for entering the draft, but it seems obvious (hopefully to him as well) that’s he’s just starting to show the potential that could see him develop into an all-star. he ain’t there yet, and you can’t blame nellie for that.

more minutes might help, but getting rid of some bad habits and shaky fundamentals is probably going to come from hard work and practice, not attitude.

by believeW on Feb 2, 2009 3:45 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

he can’t really think he’s that good yet, but the raw physical abilities and talent are clear.

I’d bet anything that’s exactly the problem. AR thinks “Man, I can dunk over anyone on the team.” and figures that must make him the best player on the team. He strikes me as a guy who doesn’t even realize what parts of his game needs work and if he stays late at the gym, it’s to practice windmill dunks.

My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman

by Goofus on Feb 2, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

A TALE OF 2 ANTHONYS

I’m actually getting tired of AR’s baby antics. I don’t care how good you are you have to earn your playing time and if the coach feels you are not giving the same amount of effort in practice as the other guys then whats that saying to the team if you give that guy more run then a guy working his but off?

Take a look at Anthony Morrow. The guy tore it up in summer ball, he played so good he made the team. He probably noticed he was one of the best shooters on the team. Did he ask for more playing time? Has he ever complained? He dropped 37 on the clippers then 21 on Portland. Did he ask for more PT? He let his playing do the talking. And because of that he is rewarded.

I really fought for AR in the beginning but he is starting to look like a me first guy and no team has success with those guys so sadly I am ok if he goes because it looks like he is going to be more of a cancer wherever he goes. Nellie is just trying to break this guy in slow to the NBA and I think he is doing a good job.

I am very skeptical in majority of Nelson’s coaching decisions however in this case I am willing to side with him then a guy who has only been able to legally drive for 3 years.

by BarnettBeBallin on Feb 2, 2009 4:48 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

team captains

on another note has anyone read or seen anything about maybe the vets on the team giving AR guidance? It would be nice to see Jax or Maggette step in and tell this guy he has a bright future and to just chill

by BarnettBeBallin on Feb 2, 2009 4:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I seriously think

…stephen Jackson is right, Randolph doesn’t need to start drama. He needs to be humble abt being a rookie in d NBA. Not every rookie will have a great first year. You want more playing time? Then you better bring your A game every time you get a chance even if it’s a few mind or few seconds. Do any of you think he has given effort every time he was on court? I don’t think so. Look what happened to Bellineli. You do your job then you stay on the court. Randolph’s attitude sucks too.

I'm better at cross stitching than you.

by girltothemax on Feb 2, 2009 7:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

This whole thing...

is silly. He clearly has a sense of entitlement and its hurting his desire to work on fundamentals, which any 19 year old needs to do. Wright and Bellinelli have both stepped up and their games are obviously more sound this year, which has gotten them more minutes and more respect.

Nelson should not take heat for this. He’s playing Morrow and Kurz, both rookies. If Randolph can’t earn a spot on a team where undrafted rookies are getting mintues, its on him not Nellie.

by in for life on Feb 2, 2009 11:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think the media (Kawakami) is blowing this thing way out of proportion. If BJ Armstrong really was saying those things as his agent, then he deserved to be fired. It is what it is.

Anthony Randolph has done and said all the correct PR things. You can tell he’s at least trying to be mature about the whole situation, even if his own family, friends, and fans are no doubt whispering in his ear everyday that he’s “The Chosen One” and needs to be out there saving the Warriors season.

He needs to sit back and realize that he’s being given the same rookie treatment from Don Nelson that Monta Ellis, Andris Biedrins, Marco Belinelli, and Brandan Wright have received and it’s made all of them much better players as a result of it. Eventually it’ll settle in.

And if he doesn’t have the patience to go through this for just one year, and he does demand a trade, then he probably isn’t the type of player that can be coached and won’t get any better in this league anyway. What a waste if this does end up happening..

by YaHeard on Feb 2, 2009 11:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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