Polling GSoM: Andris Biedrins vs. David Lee

by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 10, 2009 9:33 AM PST in Polling GSoM Comment 18 comments

Here's a good one for you. Let's compare double-double machines. West Coast vs. East Coast. Okay, I'll admit 2Pac vs. Biggie this is not, but still it's an interesting discussion.

Both Andris Biedrins (out for tonight's "big" game) and David Lee are averaging double-doubles. Both are poor defenders. Both are gobbling 11.8 rodmans nightly. Both aren't impressive passers. Both are shooting nearly 57% from the field. Both do not have 3-point range. Both for play for coaches that... um, like their offense a lot.

Here's where they differ:

Biedrins is listed as being 2 inches taller than Lee (6-11 vs. 6-9), but he's only 5 pounds heavier (245 vs. 240). Pound-for-pound Lee is stronger.
Lee is putting up more points than Biedrins (16.2 ppg vs. 13.0 ppg). Hey, it helps to have a jumper.
Biedrins is 3 years younger than Lee.
Lee can actually hit his free throws (77.6% this season) and doesn't have one of the most hideous FT strokes this league has seen since Chris Dudley (ahem, Biedrins at 56.0%).
Biedrins is averaging more take-aways with 1.2 steals (career high) and 1.6 blocks this season. Lee's 0.9 steals and 0.3 blocks are even less impressive.

Andris Biedrins Player Profile | David Lee Player Profile

Lee was Isiah Thomas' best pick and Biedrins was Chris Mullin's best 1st round selection to date.

I'm sure our friends over at Posting and Toasting have some insights to share as well. Vote or Die!

Poll

Who would you rather have collecting double-doubles on your team?

Andris Biedrins

429 votes

David Lee

71 votes

500 votes | Poll has closed

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pretty obvious...

3 years younger + way more take aways + about equal in points/boards = goose is better

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by LostHawk on Feb 10, 2009 9:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Yes fianlly,

a poll that can be more lobsided than my “lets trade for marbury proposal”

We will probably need to be patient and let this season play out.
-warriorsvictim

by warriorsscore110 on Feb 10, 2009 9:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I keep saying it...

I love Biedrins BUT David Lee is a better scorer as well as an equal rebounder to Biedrins. He has more moves than Biedrins too. I love Biedrins though! haha

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by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Feb 10, 2009 9:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

In case there ever needed to be a showcase on this board for the problems with being a stat rat

It’s right here.

The blatant ignoring of DEFENSE (both quantifiable and not quantifiable) and the little fact that Lee plays over four minutes a game more than Beans while generating a few more points and the same boards is pretty jarring.

Also, Biedrins guarding C’s competently is something can not and never will be able to do, and that is more valuable than anything you discussed.

by dprodigy19 on Feb 10, 2009 9:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Lee has a bit of a mean streak too which I like in a big man

I like Biedrins better for now, but if he never develops the shot a little bit, we may look back at this and change our minds.

by warriorsvictim on Feb 10, 2009 9:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I would say Thomas' best pick was...

T-Mac!!! When Isiah was the GM for the Raptors. The Jamison for Carter trade and the JO signing in Indiana were also moves done by him.

Remember Isiah was always good at drafting and finding young talent. Unfortunately he was terrible at signing FA’s to crazy contract and couldn’t coach a lick.

A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.

by mcwalter44 on Feb 10, 2009 11:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Agreed. I should’ve qualified that as Isiah’s best pick as the GM of the Knicks.

I believe the Jamison for Carter trade came after his tenure in Toronto, but I could be wrong.

by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 10, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Thomas' GM History

Toronto Raptors 1994-1998
He drafted D. Stoudamire, Marcus Camby, Tracy McGraddy and traded for Vince Carter

Indiana Pacer Coach 2000-2003 – No draft credit… Larry Bird was incharge

New York Knick GM 2003-2007
He drafted: Wilson Chandler, Renaldo Balkman, Mardy Collins, Channing Frye, David Lee, Dijon Thompson,Trevor Ariza, Michael Sweetney, Maciej Lampe, Slavko Vranes

Aside from Chandler, Lee and Ariza his drafts are picks are pretty weak. But overall I’d say that he’s a good evaluator of college talent translating into decent to good professional players. However, his GM skills in trades, FA signing, contract negotiations are terrible if not horrendous.

A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.

by mcwalter44 on Feb 10, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

from your comparison

i see them with equal pros and cons. so as a player, kinda equal, i say.

BUT we know Beans can play Nellie’s system, and plays it damn well. So I voted for Andris.

by Run Dubz on Feb 10, 2009 11:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

well

nellie’s system and mike’s are similar

by saintdee on Feb 10, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Lee's offensive game

is much better, and is improving. but both players are double-double machines.

i would disagree that Biedrins is a “poor” defender, then again i have a much smaller sample-size of Warriors’ basketball that i’ve watched this year than all of you. if he is indeed “poor” then i would argue that David Lee is “poorer” or “more poor”.

i’d lean towards Lee but that’s more based on D’Antoni’s system and how lethal he is off the pick-and-roll.

both players have bright futures.

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by Anthony Masons Haircut on Feb 10, 2009 11:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Since they are so close

I’ll stick with Dris, I like his personality and his consistency. Of course I’d sell him out for Oden or DHo….:>)

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 10, 2009 11:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Biedrins is the better player. Younger, much better defender, can hang at center, still improving. Free throw shooting is important, but not nearly important enough to close the gap.

by onlxn on Feb 10, 2009 12:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

david lee

hey warriors, i really love you guys, always have. but the knicks are my team. anyhow. biedrins is better on defense. but lee’s shooting ability makes him that extra bit more valuable. especially in late game situations. you want the ball in your top player’s’s’ hands’s. and lee is going to come through at the stripe.

they are very close though

by stingy d on Feb 10, 2009 1:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

i voted al jefferson

by so ill so d0pe on Feb 10, 2009 4:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

How can I hate on a player who has the same name as me?

But I have to go with AB on this one even if it means voting against myself. I do agree with stingy d that AB’s FT shooting is a liability in late game situations. He needs to keep working on that.

by worldblee on Feb 10, 2009 5:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs