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Another Amare Post.

Alright, I was reading today's Chat with Chad Ford, which can be found here, and Chad Ford said that the Phoenix Suns are very interested in Brandan Wright or Anthony Randolph, and Monta Ellis/Andris Biedrins. While I would love to keep all of those players here, I would rather have a superstar like Amare. Chad Ford stated that the only thing missing for a trade like that to occur, would be a significant expiring contract, which the Warriors have none of. For a trade like this to occur, the Warriors would have to find a third team that would be interested in Corey Maggette or Stephen Jackson, that would send expiring contracts to Phoenix.

 

My example of a trade like this would be found here. I know this isn't a likely scenario, but I think it may be possible. Portland gets some nice bench pieces, and maybe even a starter if they want to start Barbosa, and they get something for the RLEC. Phoenix gets young players and an expiring contract, Golden State would probably have to throw in a future pick, and Golden State would get Amare.


Personally, if the Warriors had to trade either Monta or Biedrins to get a superstar like Amare, I would prefer trading Monta. I mean, I love Monta and all, but bigs are much harder to replace. Just look at this year's draft, look at the point guards that it's loaded with. The Warriors could get the number 13/14 pick and still end up with a quality point. Bigs are much harder to come by, and personally, I think that Monta is much easier to replace than Biedrins. Look at all the years it took for us to find a good center. Pretty much since the drought started. I'm only 15, so I'm not completely sure on the last sentence, but even as an eight year old, I hated having to watch Dampier and Foyle. I love Monta, but he is definitely more expendable than Biedrins.

 

So, basically, post your thoughts on that deal, and post your own deal. Please let it make sense.

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no no no

have you forgotten how good monta is? has it been so long since last year and the year before that people were saying he is going to be a superstar? he got injured, it happened, and it takes a little while to get back to where he was. He has been back for what, 10 games or so? furthermore, we dont NEED to trade, we need to get in our flow, develop players for the rest of the season, and when 2010 comes those players will be actually worth something and if need be then we can trade them. let the team develop for the rest of the year, and then make trade ideas. Oh and also if we do get amare, HE IS LEAVING NEXT YEAR.

Monta needs to grow a beard.

by monta needs a beard on Feb 10, 2009 8:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

We don't need to trade,

but a trade for a player like Amare would instantly make the team better. People seem to forget that Amare is only 26. Monta might become a superstar, but at just 3 years older, Amare IS a superstar. Don’t get me wrong, I love Monta, BUT, I’d rather have Stoudemire.

Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.

by StSaints408 on Feb 10, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I can foresee the Warriors giving up Biedrins and Turiaf. Then we’d be fielding Don Nelson’s dream team: a starting lineup with absolutely zero rebounding or defense.

Ellis
Crawford
Maggette
Jackson
Stoudemire

Then we could move our team out of the NBA, travel around the country playing on playgrounds, and take over the And1 tour.

by YaHeard on Feb 10, 2009 8:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

You got it!

Nelson’s master plan! Play in his own league of one. So he can finally be the genius he thinks he is.

by formerlythecity on Feb 12, 2009 2:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Stoudamire will never rebound. monta has NO limit to his potential!!

Do we really want Monta to be the next Gilbert Arenas?

I dunno about you guys, but I don’t want to spend every game until I’m 30 thinking “oh god I wish we never let this stud go.”

by bradyk2 on Feb 10, 2009 9:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Stoudemire averages

eight rebounds in a “down year” not to mention the 21 points. This trade would do much more than get Amare also, it would get rid of a bad Corey Maggette contract.

I dunno about you guys, but I don’t want to spend every game until I’m 20 thinking “Oh god, we had the opportunity to grab this superstar, but we decided not to because Monta, even though there were many players in that years draft that were better points than Monta.”

Remember, I like Monta a lot, but if Monta is what it would cost to bring a superstar to the bay, then so be it.

Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.

by StSaints408 on Feb 10, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, BUT

A) He’s playing with Steve Nash. A top-5 passer in the history of the NBA. I mean really, how often do you see Stoudemire score when it’s not on a pass from Nash? He gets his points on pick and rolls. He has no hook. not a very good jumper. etc. Yes he’s good, but he is not a dominant offensive player without a dominant PG.

B) I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH:
His contract expires in 2010. We will have a very very small chance of resigning him. He will be partial to pairing up with LeBron, DWade, etc. We won’t be able to offer him as much.
Do we trade the most talented player we’ve had since Chris Webber for 1 year of an arguably overrated superstar?

oh heelllllllll no.

by bradyk2 on Feb 10, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

B

Even if he does end, we’d have money to spend during that free agency. I know most of the players will be signed to other teams, but the Warriors would be able to sing him to a max contract, or sign anyone else to a max contract.

Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.

by StSaints408 on Feb 10, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If we wanted the money to spend during free agency

We never would’ve signed Beans in the first place. Everyone knows 2010 is going to be a huge year. This is why NYK has unloaded everybody.

We know 2010 would be a huge year, yet we signed Beans and Monta anyway. we’ve committed to them, let’s stick to them. I don’t think we can get anyone better than Beans to come to Oakland in 2010. Not unless we win 40+ games next season.

by bradyk2 on Feb 10, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I can see what you’re sayin, no team loses. Portland gets something for Lafrentz, and good pieces at that, and the trade is equal for everyone.

by ZaMzAm FiRe on Feb 10, 2009 9:35 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

WE HAVE ONE!!!!

HIS NAME IS ANDRIS BIEDRINS!!!!!!

WE NEED A POWER FORWARD!!!!!!!!

Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.

by StSaints408 on Feb 10, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

lmao

worst post ever

by AJC3317 on Feb 11, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not a bad trade idea

but i still don’t think they should trade away Monta and besides, Randolph will develop into the power forward that we need. When he is given minutes he puts up nice numbers. He rebounds like a beast in the time that he plays and blocks shots. All he needs is some time to develop and he could end up being a star. I know the thought of getting Amare is really exciting because he’s a star and he’d be perfect for the team, but why risk giving up good young talent that could maybe eventually be just as good or even better than Amare. Plus, what’s the point of trading away young guys when we aren’t going to be winning a championship anytime soon?

by duballers23 on Feb 10, 2009 10:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

some people are just lookin for the quick fix.

and its understandable. seeing as you’re a warrior fan and all. but i like what we have here. these guys, our core, being monta and biedrins are only 23 and 22. these guys already have great chemistry, tho we haven’t yet see it this year. we’ve got a good thing going. in the toughest part of our schedule we’ve gone 8-7. and monta isn’t even 100% yet, and biedrins has been out the past 2 games.

i think warriors fans have a very short term memory, for good reason (either because were so horrible or cuz were smoking too much…herb). i know its tough but stop being so impatient. who knows how good this team would actually be if we were healthy all season. i dont think its that ridiculous to say we would be in playoff contention.

by montamazing on Feb 10, 2009 10:32 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Personally, if the Warriors had to trade either Monta or Biedrins to get a superstar like Amare, I would prefer trading Monta. I mean, I love Monta and all, but bigs are much harder to replace. Just look at this year’s draft, look at the point guards that it’s loaded with. The Warriors could get the number 13/14 pick and still end up with a quality point. Bigs are much harder to come by, and personally, I think that Monta is much easier to replace than Biedrins. Look at all the years it took for us to find a good center. Pretty much since the drought started. I’m only 15, so I’m not completely sure on the last sentence, but even as an eight year old, I hated having to watch Dampier and Foyle. I love Monta, but he is definitely more expendable than Biedrins.

For sure. We need more bigs. There are like 8 guards on the Warriors and we have one true center. Do the math?

by goldenstatelove on Feb 10, 2009 10:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

guards are easy to replace. good one's not so much

monta ellis isn’t just another larry hughes. there’s a reason monta is among only 3 other players to post a 25ppg 60% shooting month. sure its just a month, but if its so easy to do, then why have only 3 other guards done it. it just shows you the vast potential this dude has. he’s the fastest player in the league with a jump shot…he’s not the best defensive player, but he’s not that bad…he is right now (but he’s out of shape and not up to full speed) and there have been stints already where ive seen good defense out of him… give it time.

im sure you fools with the short memory won’t be so quick to let go of him in a month or so when he’s back to being the real monta.

by montamazing on Feb 10, 2009 10:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, I said several times that I love Monta,

but didn’t you guys want a dominant PF?

Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.

by StSaints408 on Feb 11, 2009 12:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

keep the team we have intact

they are finally starting to develop a good chemistry and once Brandon, Marco and Biedrens are back, this team has some real good potential (in my opinion). I wasn’t a fan of Maggette in the beginning, but I like the dude alot now, and Jamal Crawford fits in perfectly. Why screw up the mix for Amare? He’s not worth it.

by centerre on Feb 10, 2009 11:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

That trade would be mindblowingly great for us, and I say that as someone who likes Maggette more than most. Would definitely fit the bill for the Suns, too. I just think Portland will be able to do a little better than that when they finally move the LaFrentz contract… guys like Jefferson and Caron Butler are a little better than Maggette, and their contracts aren’t quite as long.

Definitely the most plausible Amare-to-the-Bay scenario I’ve seen, as the Suns would actually achieve their goals here. So bewitching to look at it. Must… resist… lineup…

PG: Jamal Crawford/CJ Watson
SG: Kelenna Azubuike/Marco Belinelli
SF: Stephen Jackson/Anthony Morrow
PF: Amare Stoudemire/Brandan Wright
C: Andris Biedrins/Ronny Turiaf

…argh. That looks pretty nice. I’m still not totally on board with the Jamal Crawford part of town, but we could draft a point guard this summer. (And hell, even if we gave Portland our pick, this trade would be more than worth it.)

Even without a new point guard, I’d think that team would make the playoffs in 2010. A very strong offensive team and a completely presentable rebounding team. Still quite a deep team — you’ve got a somewhat intriguing young guy backing up every position. The defense would still kinda stink, but it certainly wouldn’t be any worse… Amare Stoudemire’s more of a defensive 4 than Maggette is.

I hate that this won’t happen.

by onlxn on Feb 11, 2009 12:11 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Other than Monta Ellis, none of our swingmen is a significant upgrade to their roster.

And even if we were willing to give up Monta Ellis, there’s no way in hell the Suns would be dumb enough to allow a Nash – Ellis – Barbosa backcourt to happen.

by YaHeard on Feb 11, 2009 12:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Barbosa is sent to Portland.

Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.

by StSaints408 on Feb 11, 2009 7:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Forget about Amare....

It would be nice to get Amare if we didnt have to give up Beans or Monta….but they are too vital to the team we have assembled….our chemistry would be in the rebuilding process once again with little time to capitalize on it……But I WOULD give up Crawford AND Maggette but thats pretty much it (cap relief for Allstar..no problem)

ellis/watson/bellie
jackson/morrow/belli
buike/wright
stoudimire/turiaf.randolph
biedrins/turiafrandolph

I say we make a lesser trade for say somebody like CHRIS WILCOX ( I would give them Belli + M-Will…hell i’ll even give em maggette if it means dumping his contract)….who would definitely be a solid up grade on anybody in our frontcourt, without the name Ronny or Andris and could flourish in a nelson system….

by skeetdanut on Feb 11, 2009 10:35 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I tried the trade machine..

For the Amare for Crawford +Maggette……Hell I SAY PULL THE TRIGGER COHAN/ROWELL/NELSON/MULLIN/RILEY…or whoever is making plays in the front office..i think this will benefitt phoenix too….

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1654971727&teams=21219&te=&cash=

by skeetdanut on Feb 11, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How would this benefit Phoenix?

They get two players that aren’t and won’t be pieces for their future, and they lose long term money with Maggette.

Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.

by StSaints408 on Feb 11, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

this is the kind of deal the Suns are looking for:

From HOOPSWORLD:

“The Portland Trail Blazers have made a strong play for Amare Stoudemire, discussing a package that includes LaMarcus Aldridge, Jerryd Bayless, and Raef LaFrentz’s $12.7 million expiring contract.”

We can’t get anywhere near that kind of offer.

by Ormolov on Feb 11, 2009 2:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Must feel nice to have young talent to use as trading chips (with their reputations untarnished by their own coach) and expiring contracts. I can’t remember the last time we had a nice, big expiring contract to use as a trade asset.

Oh yeah, that’s how we got Baron and turned our franchise around.

by YaHeard on Feb 11, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm...

not sure if Portland would make that trade. They are better off using the trade exeption to pick up another player (Caron Butler?). That lineup w/ Butler would be strong!

by krazybalr on Feb 12, 2009 9:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This Trade is OK

I would pull the trigger if it got us Amare. Anti-Amare guys need to realize a couple of things. First, when we made the playoffs 2 years ago, think about how it happened. We barely made it in on the last game of the year, had a unique one of a kind matchup against Dallas and we’re absolutely dismantled by Utah because we had no one who could play D on their bigs and grab rebounds…and that was with a team filled with more talent than what we have now. Monta is money, no doubt, but he is definitely worth giving up for Amare. As it stands now without Monta, we have Jackson, Maggette, Crawford, Bellinelli, watson and Azabukie all capable of holding down a guard spot. We have biendrins and turiaf holding down our PF/C position. We need more depth up front, plain and simple. And why is it a natural assumption that Amare would just up and leave. First, if he wanted to go play with Lebron or Wade, he would probably have to take a paycut and be willing to play 2nd fiddle to those stars. 2nd, with the Warriors, he’d be playing on a young, talented team in a fast paced, pass oriented offense in which he would be the main offensive focal point and marketed superstar, and when his contract is up, the Warriors would be capable of offering him more money than any other team! Amare has this desire to be considered among the best in the game today, and he definitely has that potential. Amare can rebound and score plenty. He draws double team, can shoot the 3 ball, post up….the only reason his numbers are down this year are due to Shaq, the slowed offense, and his lack of trying due to being unhappy. Plus I have no faith in Brandon Wright, that guy is a tool who is definitely overrated. We would need to keep Randolph, that guy will be a stud, but I also see him as more of a long, athletic 3, at least until he puts on more weight. But as he develops and does put on more weight, there is no reason why he couldnt be a combo forward, alternating between the 3 and 4. Bringing in Amare would give us a solid PF that we have been lacking for years who would fit perfectly into the warriors system, round out the team and give us a lot more balance, and most importantly, provide rebounding and a star presence that this team needs.

Since we probably wont get him, I agree with the idea posted above about giving up a young guard or two and bringing in someone like Wilcox…a lot more under the radar kind of trade that can, to a much lesser extent, provide some of the things that the warriors need from the PF position

by rtgunn on Feb 11, 2009 3:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

according to yahoo

suns are ‘desperate’ to trade amare

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by LostHawk on Feb 11, 2009 7:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Wait a sec?!?!

Do any of you realize that we could have drafted Amare. If the Warriors wouldn’t have used it on Dumpleavy, we could have been had Amare.

From the roots to branches to the leaves, they say apples don't fall far from the tree.

by V-TownDub on Feb 12, 2009 8:34 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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