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Chad Ford - Interesting article: Bosh for Biedrins, Randolph, Belinelli and Future # 1 pick

Straight off the presses this late evening about Chad Ford's article on Five Deals that SHOULD happen at the NBA Trade Deadline.

I don't wanna be a buzz killer, but I heard Monta AND Randolph heading out for Chris Bosh from an insider that knows people within the Warriors.

Not to say it would happen, but rather could it happen?

Thoughts on the following article and more?

 LINK: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=TradeOptions-090217 

 

 

 

1. Raptors send Chris Bosh to the Warriors for Andris Biedrins, Anthony Randolph, Ronny Turiaf, Marco Belinelli and a future No. 1 pick

Why should the Raptors do it?
Because the writing is on the wall in Toronto. I'm not sure how the Raptors are going to keep Bosh in 2010, and, no, I don't think adding Shawn Marion really helps in the long term. This deal would give them a ton of young talent to rebuild. And the fact that much of it has an international flavor only makes it sweeter for Raptors GM Bryan Colangelo.

Why should the Warriors do it?
You don't get the chance to add an All-Star big man every day. And with Monta Ellis and Corey Maggette, the Warriors would have the building blocks to be special again. Will it happen?
The biggest question is whether the Warriors, the most dysfunctional franchise in the NBA, could keep Bosh. They would have enough talent to convince Bosh to stay, but their situation is so messed up that it's a big risk.

The second biggest question is whether the Raptors would do it. Colangelo has been pretty adamant that they won't deal Bosh at the deadline. But if they were able to get this much talent in return, he'd have to take a long look.

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i'd be stoked if this happened

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Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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by LostHawk on Feb 17, 2009 1:02 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

except the dubs would be 4 mil over…

and id rather trade wright than randolph

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by LostHawk on Feb 17, 2009 1:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

woops didnt see turiaf

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by LostHawk on Feb 17, 2009 1:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Take Turiaf off this list..

Replace Randolph with Wright and I say we have a deal…I would love to see us with a front-court of Turiaf and Bosh…..thats defense and scoring together…..

Im upset we didnt trade for Chris Wilcox too…great underrated big man…Hornets got a hell of an expiring contract…

by skeetdanut on Feb 17, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wright will be better than Turiaf

Turiaf is what he is, he’s not going to get better. He’s not bad, just not that good either.

by Calamity on Feb 17, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

but he is a solid force

in the middle..plus he’s only 24-25 so he’s pretty young his self…we have enough youth to build on with randolph, belli and morrow…im not sure he will even be better than turiaf

by skeetdanut on Feb 17, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

that would be awsome

wright instead of randolph…and someone else instead of turiaf…id be stoked!

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by LostHawk on Feb 17, 2009 6:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

it's almost a good deal

but wouldn’t you rather trade williams instead of marco and wright instead of randolph

by Fi7ipin0ch3f on Feb 17, 2009 7:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

williams=almost no trade value. I’d rather trade Williams plus one of our terrible contracts plus 9 2nd round picks for a star PF, but it aint gonna happen.

"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike

by sam23 on Feb 17, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

helll yea

but nobody would want mwill….i would just use his expiring contract elswhere…of course i would keep randolph instead of wright..thats wat i said before….

by skeetdanut on Feb 19, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

all that for bosh?

im tired of all the stoudemire/bosh talk…keep the team…give up crawford or bellinelli to get a big, but if not, keep the team as is

by cliffordROZIER'sface on Feb 17, 2009 1:24 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

-99999999999999999999999999

Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.

by StSaints408 on Feb 17, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

as long

as Bosh big headed girlfriend stay away from it all good than. lol And keep AR too.

by warriorfan4life on Feb 17, 2009 1:28 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

No Biedrins+Turiaf

Our bigs would be Bosh and Wright? LOL

Crawford+Randolph+Wright+Morrow+Pick

Next year for Raps

Calderon-Banks
Crawford-Morrow-Graham
Randolph-Kapono-Graham
Bargnani-Wright
FA-Pick

by Spaniard on Feb 17, 2009 1:30 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

no chance

Toronto goes for that. They trade the best player the franchise has ever had and go into next season with FA-pick at center? ha, no way.

"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike

by sam23 on Feb 17, 2009 8:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Who said Vince Carter?

The pick is top-10 (Thabeet-Mullens), and they would play a lot of minutes whit Bargs-Wright together like now with Bosh

by Spaniard on Feb 17, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Bosh>Vince Carter. Bosh>>>>>>>>>>Wright.

"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike

by sam23 on Feb 17, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

None of those players will ever be as good as Chris Bosh, not even Anthony Randolph. Chris Bosh is one of those few players that can single-handedly bring his team to the playoffs (as he has for the last two seasons, his teammates have been absolute garbage). He’s a Top 15 player, at least.

If he does get traded here, we can be a perennial playoff team. And if we find a way to trade away Crawford, Jackson, or Maggette for depth/upgrades, we’d be able to go far into the playoffs.

This is how you build a team, folks. This is the big kahuna we need to build around. He’s not a 6’3" tweener guard, or a cocky jump-shooting rookie forward who can’t play within himself, or a tweener big man with a very limited offensive repertoire. Chris Bosh is the real deal. We may have passed up on Kevin Garnett, let’s not make the same mistake again.

by YaHeard on Feb 17, 2009 1:31 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

+1

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by LostHawk on Feb 17, 2009 1:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ellis – Watson
Crawford – Morrow
Jackson – Azubuike
Wright – Maggette
Bosh – Davidson

Our depth would take a slight hit, but we have more depth than we can even use right now. We’d be a little light on big men, but remember we made the playoffs in 06-07 and won 48 games in 07-08 with only Biedrins; we’ll be absolutely better off in the big man department with Bosh and Wright. We can add a backup big man with the MLE in the offseason, There are many big men whose contracts are expiring in the offseason, and their teams will most likely be letting them go for financial reasons.

Drew Gooden, Chris Wilcox, Zaza Pachulia, Nesterovic, Chris Mihm, Jason Collins, Stromile Swift, Robert Swift, Saer Sene, Theo Ratliff, Jorge Garbajosa.

All of these guys have expiring contracts and may be available next offseason to sign with us for the MLE. They would make great backups for Chris Bosh and Brandan Wright.

by YaHeard on Feb 17, 2009 1:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Bosh CANNOT play the 5, ever. ESPECIALLY in the West Coast.

by sjboy on Feb 17, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

and

switch around Crawford and Ellis

I am Greg Oden, i am goingz to be trade to The Warrior. hoooray.

Warriors for life. Raiders till death. And The A's when i get free tickets.

by STIX on Feb 17, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

YOU ARE CRAZY

Dude, what are you smokin? Bosh is not a franchise player. Toronto has never done Jack.. and hey had the number one pick in the draft a few years back.

Beidrins is one of the leading rebounders in the NBA. Turiaf is a shut down defender, just ask Amare, Duncan, Millsap.. etc. Bosh is not even a “power forward”, he’s an “athletic forward” who shoots jumpers. The last thing the Warriors need is another soft big man who doesn’t defend or score in the post.

The W’s made the playoffs in 07, and won 48 last year, but they will NEVER be a championship contender without a true post presence. Just ask San Anonio, Los Angeles, Boston, Cleveland, etc. They all have plenty of size and post play, and they all fight for championships every year.

Chris Bosh is a “Poser Forward” like Lamar Odem is a “Poser Forward”.. he’s tall.. and he plays like a 3. We have that in Randolph. Wright is garbage.. he’s inferior to Randolph in every department. Trade Wright and Crawford or Maggs to somebody with a real “Power Forward” who weighs at least 250lbs, and can score with his back to the basket. Until the Warriors do this, they’ll always be a “team with lots of talent”.

by EJ743 on Feb 17, 2009 7:40 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Bosh

At “Poser Forward” is better than anything we got currently on our roster. I don’t know about you, but I do not see this current roster ever making the playoffs. Meanwhile Bosh will average a 20-10 like he has done for his whole career (19.4 pts, 9.1 rebs, actual career stats). I agree with your sentiments on Wright and that the Warriors need some muscle on the block to contend year-in year-out. However, I will argue with you that Bosh would be one HELL of a piece to add to a roster with some other good pieces. Getting Bosh does not make us a contender this year or probably next, but he sure can give us a better shot than what we got now.

by 3xdubble on Feb 17, 2009 7:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But....

Giving away the entire damn team for a player who doesn’t fit an immediate need (tough, strong POST PLAYER), no matter how skilled he is.. would be a major mistake. Bosh at that price would essentially be starting over from scratch. We would still have to address our most crucial need, and we would have given away our two best rebounders (Andris and Anthony) to get another jumpshooter. No thanks.

We NEED to trade for BOOZER!!!!!!! Utah cannot keep him and Millsap, and he’s the athletic, powerful, tough, back to the basket post scorer and rebounder that we need. Give up Maggette and Wright, the money works. and the Jazz need a wing that can move his feet (they’ve got a million 6-9 spot ups who can’t get to the rack).

Maggette is a perfect fit for the Jazz, especially with Kirilenko out.

by EJ743 on Feb 17, 2009 8:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What does it matter, Boozer doesn’t play defense either.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not true

and I would consider rebounding to be defense. Boozer changes people’s direction when they come into the paint. Thats defense as far as I’m concerned. The only thing Booz doesn’t do is block shots. We got that covered in Rony and AB. Booz’s ability to score in the post, and give the W’s some toughness and size inside make him a MUCH better option than Bosh, who doesn’t do anything that the current roster doesn’t do already.

by EJ743 on Feb 17, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bosh, who doesn’t do anything that the current roster doesn’t do already

…Lets not get carried away here!

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Feb 18, 2009 3:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

?

I dont even know where to begin, nearly everything you said was just wrong.

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by sam23 on Feb 17, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

use your words sam..

don’t say “everything you said is wrong”, and then fail to offer a rebuttal. How is anything I said wrong?

Oh.. and PS..

Oh.. and PS..The fact is, if Randolph played as many minutes as Bosh plays, he would average about 18 pts a game, and about 13 rebounds AS A ROOKIE. Check the Stats.. Bosh didn’t do that.

Oh.. and PS..The fact is, if Randolph played as many minutes as Bosh plays, he would average about 18 pts a game, and about 13 rebounds AS A ROOKIE. Check the Stats.. Bosh didn’t do that.IN FACT: Bosh averaged 11.5 pts and 7.4 reb in 33 min his rookie season. Randolph is averaging 5.8 pts and 4.1 rebs in 12 min. If Randolph got 33 min/game, he’s averaging 16 pts and 11.3 rebs! Hows that Chris Bosh fans?

by EJ743 on Feb 17, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's not that easy

You can’t just project a 12 minute per game player out to 33 minutes like there isn’t any adjustment at all.

You get tired, not to mention that he would probably be fouling himself out of the game quite often (averaging 4.1 PF per 33 mins).

by markdash on Feb 17, 2009 9:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

True..

but even if an adjustment is made for fatigue (say 3 pts / game, and 2 rebs), Randolph is still performing better than Bosh did statistically in his rookie campaign. Plus, its to Randolph’s disadvantage that he only gets 12 min / game, and goes several days in between appearances. If he played more regularly, he’d become more of an offensive option.

Truth be told: Randolph is a star as far as talent and drive. He’s athletic, he finds the basketball, and he goes all out. He can do everything Bosh can do.. and although his shot selection needs improvement, his fg % is comparable to Bosh’s in his rookie year (Randolph – 43%, Bosh 45 %). Randolph is alot cheaper than Bosh and his 14.5 million dollar contract, and he has all the tools Bosh has.

Screw Bosh.. we got Randolph. Bet Boozer, Bass, or a REAL power forward.

by EJ743 on Feb 17, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait, there's more

You still can’t do that, because Randolph tends to play against the second unit and/or in garbage time when stats are more easily acquired.

There’s a reason he gets 12 minutes a game and Bosh got way more as a rookie, and it’s because Randolph just isn’t that good.

by markdash on Feb 17, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

NO....

Randolph does NOT play “garbage time”.. do you watch the Warriors? Don Nelson leaves his starters out on the floor when the Warriors are up by 20 with 3 minutes to play. Randolph usually plays in the second and third quarters.. if he plays at all.

The reason Randolph doesn’t play IS NOT because he’s “just not that good”.. its because his coach is trying to get the most out of him.. by seeing to it that he doesn’t simply rely on his amazing talent while failing to practice hard and develop the skills needed to be a complete basketball player. Randolph doesn’t play because Nelson wants him to earn his playing time by working hard to be his best in practice. As we saw with Weber, a bad attitude can destroy even the greatest talent.. Which Randolph has

by EJ743 on Feb 17, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Randolph is not necessarily ‘performing better’ than Bosh as a rookie. I find it interesting that you rounded Randolph’s FG% up from 42.8 (entirely appropriate) but with Bosh, you turned 45.9 into 45%. That’s inappropriate.

A better measure of their scoring efficiency is ‘true shooting percentage’ which factors in 3 pointers and the ability to get to the line and convert there.

Ignoring Randolph’s propensity to turn the ball over is a problem. Turnovers are very, very costly. Bush turned the ball over less often, much, much less often.

There are things to suggest Randolph is progressing and may have a rookie season suggestive of him being a good player in the future, but if you’re going to say that he’s performing better statistically, you’re going to have to do better than cherry picking a few stats, rounding some of them incorrectly, and ignoring some key shortcomings in Randolph’s statistical line.

by jae on Feb 17, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Sorry..

I misquoted the stat. Still, the point remains the same.. Randolph has a similar FG% as a rookie to Bosh’s, 43% to 46%.

No “cherry picking”. Remember the original point of this conversation: Should the Warriors trade Andris Biedrins AND Rony Turiaf AND Anthony Randolph AND Marco Bel AND their 1st round pick for Bosh. My argument is that this is absolutely ridiculous, and that it would be a waste to trade for Bosh when Randolph is a very comparable player, although younger and less experienced. His stats are comparable to Bosh’s stats his rookie year. Thus, it is fair to project that he will continue to develop, as Bosh and other players have, and that he will soon be a comparable player to Bosh. Keeping Randolph fills the role of a Bosh type player, and allows the Warriors to keep their 2 best rebounders, their best interior defender (Turiaf) and their draft pick.

by EJ743 on Feb 17, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Does he now?

46% and 43% are “similar”?

by markdash on Feb 17, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They are similar in that they are both numbers.

In terms of whether or not they suggest about the two players, they are less similar. One is below the league average for all players (including guards), the other is not. Over the course of a season, for a full time player, that’s about a point a game advantage for the team, a point that otherwise doesn’t get scored because the possession was wasted. May not sound like much, but the team with the 46% shooter in the lineup will, on average win 3 or 4 more games than the team with the 43% shooter, all else equal.

by jae on Feb 18, 2009 12:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I am all for getting Bosh.

I pretty much have been on his nuts since the rumor came out that he wanted out of Toronto. But giving up 3 bigs, our 1st round pick, and Marco (who i believe will develop into a starting 2) is just too much to give up for Bosh.

Chad Ford is an idiot and probably doesn’t know who any of the Warrior players are. He maybe knows beidrins, but he is throwing our whole roster at toronto for 1 guy. ridiculous…

by warriOs on Feb 18, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well that's the thinking..

The Warriors will probably have to overpay for Toronto to be willing to part with Bosh.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Feb 18, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

B.S.

this is baloney.. this “analysis” was made up.. BY YOU. Randolph makes plays Bosh could not make. He plays better Defense than Bosh. He rebounds better than Bosh. He blocks shots better than Bosh. HE PLAYS HARDER THAN BOSH. If you watched Randolph against Odom tonight, you say him take Odom completely out of his game..

Randolph is the real deal. You haters should be ashamed to call yourselves Warriors fans. Anyone wiling to trade our entire future for a “power forward” who is not as talented as a rookie we already have should have your head examined.

Put those statistics in your calculator and crunch them, nerd!

by EJ743 on Feb 18, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's Dr. Nerd, nameless namecaller.

The analysis of the number of wins was not made up by me. It’s someone else’s method. If anyone is interested, I’d point them to it.

You seem to be new around here. I may not always be right in my predictions, but I NEVER make things up.

(You should be ashamed of yourself, questioning that others who have been fans longer than I suspect you’ve been alive are real fans.)

by jae on Feb 18, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

bosh was the friggen center in his rookie year

with no help. bosh is a beast get over it

by montadaboss on Feb 18, 2009 9:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

he’s 230 lbs.. he’s a jumpshooter. Anybody who watched Randolph play tonight, and listened to the ESPN commentators now knows what I know.. Randolph is a star.. and Bosh has no place on the Warriors with Randolph on the roster. End of discussion.

by EJ743 on Feb 18, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Most players improve when their minutes go up from 12 to 30-something. The fatigue factor seems to be less important than getting into the rhythm of the game.

(And no, it’s not just that when players start playing better, their minutes go up. Players who find sudden boost in minutes because another player is injured, in general, show this improvement.)

That said, Randolph’s shooting is not good enough to justify that many minutes. He might score 18 points, but taking 16 shots to get those 18 doesn’t help a team win, especially not when coupled with 3.5 turnovers and 4.5 fouls. Bosh shot the ball much better as a rook.

by jae on Feb 17, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

3% better is not "much better"

and Randolph rebounds much better than Bosh did as a rook.. or does as an All-Star for that matter!

We need a POST.. Bring on Boozer, Bass or a REAL “Power Forward”.. No “Poser Forwards”!

by EJ743 on Feb 17, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

“Much better” is subjective. I think that 3% better shooting, all else equal, one being below the league average and the other being above is much better.

by jae on Feb 18, 2009 12:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

saying everything twice doesnt make any of it any more true

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by sam23 on Feb 17, 2009 9:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn’t?

It doesn’t?

by jae on Feb 17, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

In 36 minutes, Randolph would also turn the ball over 3.4 times a game (which is alot for any player who doesn’t handle the ball alot).

And he’d still be shooting a staggering 42.8% from the field.

by YaHeard on Feb 17, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Its 33 min..

which is what Bosh averaged his rookie year. I agree, thats alot of turnovers.. but Bosh is averaging 2.41 this year in 38 min..

by EJ743 on Feb 17, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

2.4 turnovers in 38 minutes, for a guy who shoots the ball 16 times and gets close to rebounds and also dishes out 2.4 assists a game, is not bad.

by jae on Feb 17, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Lets Get this Straight....

Anthony Randolph is no Chris Bosh, nor will he ever be…Just use some common sense. If Randolph is so great, why can’t he get off the bench. Nellie has been doing this for ages, I think he knows what hes doing.

by 3xdubble on Feb 18, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ya, Nellie DOES know..

He’s trying to make sure Randolph doesn’t end up like Chris Weber, (all the talent in the world, with a bad attitude ruins a career). THATS why Randolph doesn’t play much. He needs to earn his playing time by working hard in practice.

We all saw what Randolph can do when he gets meaningful minutes against the BEST TEAM IN THE NBA… Dominate Lamar Odom. Randolph is the truth.. all you haters who want to trade away our future for a jumpshooter like Bosh are not real Warrior fans..

by EJ743 on Feb 18, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So because I...

think Bosh is better than Randolph, I’m not a Warrior fan? I think Chris PAul is better than Monta, does that mean I’m not a Warrior fan? Randolph will be good, but Chris Bosh is a proven All-Star caliber player, made the redeam team, played meaningful minutes, and is still a young guy with room to improve. Its a mute point now but come on man. Randolph will be lucky to be close to Chris Bosh. But then again, I’m just a hating non-Warrior fan.

by 3xdubble on Feb 19, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Gee I thought

after being probably the 4th most important player on the Olympic team (arguably after LeBron, Kobe, and DWade, and right there with Howard) that Bosh would have hushed all doubters this year and shown everyone that he is one of the true elite players in the world. There were entire quarters of important games where he put all those other All-World players on his back and did EVERYTHING— block, rebound, pass, and most importantly…. lead!

I really like Anthony Rndolph. I hope someday he is half as good as Chris Bosh. I would happily blow up this team (even though Biedrins is my favorite Warrior) for a chance at Bosh.

And, although this doesn’t necessarily address EJ’s argument about our need for Boozer (talk about blowing up the team), just how many minutes did Boozer play on that same team?

Regarding Boozer’s suitability for this team, that has been extensively covered and for the most part rejected by the commenters on this site for all kinds of reasons.

by Ormolov on Feb 18, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Let me guess...

“Boozer is too slow” (not true.. Boozer is NOT slow at all)
“Boozer is selfish, he just wants $$” (Who of you wouldn’t take the best deal you could get?)
“Boozer is injury prone” (he’s been hurt THIS YEAR.. doesn’t mean he’s injury prone. Players in professional sports get hurt.. Amare had microfracture surgery.. look at him now)
“Boozer doesn’t play defense” (Yes he does.. the only thing he doesn’t do is block shots. We have Biedrins and Rony for that. )

Boozer is a PERFECT fit for the Warriors.. Just because the Warriors play fast doesn’t mean that every guy on our roster has to be fast and shoot 3’s (Rony is not a fast player, and look how well he fits our team’s needs). We need to be a balance team, no matter what style we prefer. There are other players, like Bass from Dallas, who would work well. We need a PF who weighs over 250 lbs, who is tough, can rebound, and score in the post. BOSH is not a post player. He’s a “poser forward” who plays like a 3. NOT what the Warriors need.

by EJ743 on Feb 18, 2009 10:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah and if this trade happened, then the warriors would be stuck with only 2 big men, each being pf's

that is a recipe for the worst defensive and rebounding team in the history of the nba…

and you thought it was bad now…

"so much losers" - hiero

by montamazing on Feb 17, 2009 2:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We had just Biedrins manning the middle for the past two years, one year we made it into the second round of the playoffs and the other year we won 48 games.

I guarantee you that a Bosh/Wright frontcourt is WAY BETTER than a Harrington/Biedrins frontcourt.

by YaHeard on Feb 17, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

bosh is a worse rebounder than biedrins, by a large margin, and wright is no better than harrington

bosh is an awful defender, biedrins is a better defender than him, and harrington could actually defend some bigs, something wright cannot yet do

"so much losers" - hiero

by montamazing on Feb 17, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rebounding...

You are absolutely right about Bosh vs Andris, but you are wrong about Harrington vs Wright

Al
6.6reb/36min
Wright
8.0reb/36min

Wright is not a great rebounder but he is much closer to Bosh than he is to Al Harrington.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Feb 17, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ok, but my point was if this trade goes down, this team only gets slightly more efficient scoring wise

and worse defensively and worse rebounding… which in turn just makes us a more extreme version of what we already are, if we don’t shoot lights out every nights then we won’t win….not good

"so much losers" - hiero

by montamazing on Feb 17, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+2

Anthony Randolph will never be as good as Chris Bosh…Brandan Wright won’t…Biedrins won’t…Turiaf won’t…Matter of fact, no one on our roster will…Chris Bosh is a top 10 talent and worth building your franchise around…Pull the trigger, get another big that is preferably defensive/rebound minded via a trade/free agency/draft and let Nellie work his magic with Crawford, Monta, MAggette, Jax, and Bosh.

by 3xdubble on Feb 17, 2009 7:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Karnak. ;-P

I’m pretty sure you can’t predict the future. But if you want to leave the realm of astrology and enter the realm of truth, it’s not hard: all you gotta do is add words like “probably” or ’likely" to your statements.

As for Bosh being “a top 10 talent worth building your franchise around” … it’s possible, though off the top of my head, I can probably come up with 10 players most people would rank higher:

LeBron
CP3
Kobe
Howard
Garnett
Duncan
Wade
DWill
Boozer
Gasol
Nowitzki
Yao
Amare
Roy
Durant

That’s 15. You might be able to argue Bosh in the bottom of that list, but not without some difficulty. And he’s obviously not in the same class as the Top 5 or 6. Yeah, I’d probably rather build around him than anyone else we have, but I think you’re overstating his value. Biedrins + Rudolph + Rocky seems like a pretty fair deal to me, for both teams.

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by Sleepy Freud on Feb 17, 2009 8:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So you now agree that Kevin Durant is a franchise player? : )

We will probably need to be patient and let this season play out.
-warriorsvictim

by warriorsscore110 on Feb 17, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Man, he sure looks like one.

Three months ago, he didn’t. And last season, he really didn’t either. But since Scott Brooks took over the reins from PJ, he’s been born again hard. Really, it’s one of the most striking mid-season transformations I’ve ever seen. He’s basically doubled his rebounding rate — from 4.1 per game in November (continuing his lame effort from his rookie season) to 7.7 in December and 8.8 in January. And he’s also picked up his assists, blocks, steals, and fg%. His plusminus (-5.6) is still a bit dodgy for a “superstar,” but if he keeps up his current play, I think that’ll come around too.

So yeah, he’s looking pretty franchise-y these days, especially on the offensive end. And I’m totally happy to eat my words. I loved him at UT, as my old Warriors BlueNote album cover attests…

Sigh…

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by Sleepy Freud on Feb 17, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Durant is maturing into a rather good player. Moving away from shooting guard where his ‘guard skills in a big man’ were exposed as ‘guard, but not a very good guard’ skills and being at forward has helped some. He also seems to have found his shooting stroke. He looks like he’s going to be a good player for quite some time. I doubt he’ll live up to the ‘once in a lifetime’ talent that some said he was, but he’s not the disappointment he was last year at all.

by jae on Feb 17, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Who did he disappoint?

He won the rookie of the year last season. At 19 years old he played pretty well last year keeping in mind that he played for an awful coach who played him out of posistion and on a pretty poor supporting cast.

What type of expectations did you have for him last year that he didnt live up to?
GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
80 80 34.6 .430 .288 .873 4.4 2.4 1.0 .9 20.3

We will probably need to be patient and let this season play out.
-warriorsvictim

by warriorsscore110 on Feb 17, 2009 11:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I went into this in depth once upon a time and I’m not alone in my opinion that he had a lousy rookie season.

He disappointed me. I don’t put any stock in the ROY award, which appeared to be given to him for his scoring average, achieved mostly by taking more shots than he should have given how rarely those shots actually found the bottom of the net. It was a hype award, not one based on much actual analysis of his play, but I don’t really expect most sportswriters to do much more than feed hype. He was not the most productive rookie last year, but scoring average gets votes even if it’s a lousy marker for someone’s actual contribution to wins. It’s a simplistic analysis that many people use (Score points! Must be good!) but it’s not a particularly good one if you’re interested in important things like whether or not someone’s performance is helping to win games. His wasn’t.

The FG% he had last year was lousy and his rebounding stunk, really stunk. For a guy who should be towering over other guards, he wasn’t even a good rebounder for a guard. For a guy playing guard, his assist total was terrible and the A:TO ratio was unacceptable. It was not the sort of performance that makes a team better. His college performance suggested he could help a team immediately. He didn’t. Seattle was a better team when he wasn’t playing much of the time.

Given that many talked about him as a once in a lifetime player, he didn’t come close to living up to that. I thought he’d do better, but he was all hype, no substance. This year, he has been much better. He’s playing this year like a guy worth a high draft choice.

by jae on Feb 18, 2009 12:30 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Given that many talked about him as a once in a lifetime player, he didn’t come close to living up to that.

I guess with those expectations, he didnt live up to to the hype. Maybe you and others consider once in a lifetime talent different that I do, but those guys come along very rarely(hence the phrase) and dont get drafted 2nd in the draft. In my lifetime(1983) the only guys that fit that bill coming into the draft were Lebron and Webber, and possibly Iverson, Shaq, and Duncan(possibly missing someone). There were no billboards that said Honk once for James, twice for Darko, 3 times for Anthony.
I figure Durant would be a scoring machine in the NBA and probably make the All-Star game 5 or so times, so by my expectations he did good last year and is blowing them away this year.

I don’t put any stock in the ROY award, which appeared to be given to him for his scoring average, achieved mostly by taking more shots than he should have given how rarely those shots actually found the bottom of the net. It was a hype award, not one based on much actual analysis of his play

I agree, that the award is probably given to who will be the better player, than who had the better rookie season, along with the media hype machine. However you have to agree that he was atleast one of the top 5 rookies in the leauge to get the award. For being on a bad team with a bad coach, thats ok by my book, maybe others thought he would just show up and light the leauge on fire.

The FG% he had last year was lousy

Lousy might be strong but 43% is below the leauge average and 29% form 3pt land is atroiciuos. However his ft% was great and just watching the kid shoot at UT and in the pro’s showed us that the kid had a great stroke. The problem was more likely shot selection and having to force up shots on a bad team because he was the only scoring option.

his rebounding stunk, really stunk. For a guy who should be towering over other guards, he wasn’t even a good rebounder for a guard.

No excuse, 4 and half boards a game isnt good. One could hope that once he grows into his body and learns to play at NBA speed he would pick it up. And he has, big time this year.

For a guy playing guard, his assist total was terrible and the A:TO ratio was unacceptable.

He shouldnt have been playing guard. Nor should he be the primary ball handler or disrtubutor on the team. I wouldnt worry about that too much, since it wont be his role in the future and hopefully he will make better desicions with the ball as he gets more expirience.

It was not the sort of performance that makes a team better. His college performance suggested he could help a team immediately. He didn’t. Seattle was a better team when he wasn’t playing much of the time.
I thought he’d do better, but he was all hype, no substance. This year, he has been much better

This is where you got me at a certain level but are missing the point at a different level. Was he a quality player that helped his team win games last year? No, you got the stats to back it up and I agree with you. But his game and his stats showed me that this kid will be great in 2 or 3 years, I was looking at it from that perspective and was willing to forgive him for some of his mistakes(A/T ratio) because I thought that was something he could improve upon.

I know hindsight is 20/20 and this year he is breaking out. But what I am saying is that you saw a guy that didnt preform well(in terms of helping his team win, which is arguably the most important thing to look for) last season and wrote him off as a dissapointment , where as I saw a guy that had what it took to be a major factor in the leauge for years. I guess I judge rookies on different factors than just current team contributions.

We will probably need to be patient and let this season play out.
-warriorsvictim

by warriorsscore110 on Feb 18, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

. But his game and his stats showed me that this kid will be great in 2 or 3 years,

His stats didn’t suggest that he’d be good in a few years. They suggested he was overmatched and would have to pick up almost every aspect of his game. He did.

Will be and was are very different things. He was not very good. He was hyped enough to get the ROY, for people to lose their minds if you dared criticize him. The excuses that people tossed out for why he couldn’t rebound, shoot, pass, defend were rather comical.

Please do not tell me what I did when it is not what I did. I did not “write him off”. He was a disappointment last year. I called out that he didn’t perform well. That’s not the same thing as writing someone off.

by jae on Feb 18, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough,
Will be and was are very different things

What I saw last year(watching games he played in) suggested to me that he might be good very soon and might be real good down the line, after thinking about it more, the stats are all on your side that he just wasnt very good last year.

I was wrong in saying that ‘you wrote him off.’ So I apologize for that line. I have no clue if you did or not. You said that he had a dissapointing year and he did, statistically speaking.

We will probably need to be patient and let this season play out.
-warriorsvictim

by warriorsscore110 on Feb 18, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

take off from that list

boozer
Gasol
Nowitzki
Roy
Dwill

Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.

by StSaints408 on Feb 17, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok...maybe top 15

Of your list, the guys I would take ahead of Bosh would be…
Bron
CP3
Kobe
Howard
Garnett (age?)
Duncan(age?)
Wade
DWill
Roy
Durant
The other guys definitely no…Boozer, Gasol, Nowitzki, Yao, and especially Amare are all complimentary stars, guys who benefit from playing alongside other great players.

by 3xdubble on Feb 18, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So 11th...

Where do any of our current guys rank on that list…top 25? top 50? where?

by 3xdubble on Feb 18, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

AB and Monta are both probably Top 30.

And if you factor in age, they may both be Top 15-20.

As I said, I’m basically for selling the farm to get Bosh, so I obviously have no issue with your promoting same. What I have a (little) issue with is why you keep exaggerating to make your case. For example: there is not, as you keep saying, ZERO chance that any of our current players will ever be better than Bosh. Bosh could easily regress, as Amare did this year (last year Amare put up much better numbers than Bosh ever has). Or he could fall in love with the three-point line, lose interest in rebounding and D, and gradually morph into a poor man’s Rashard Lewis. Meanwhile, Randolph, who’s still only 19, could bulk up a little, learn to take better care of the ball and wiser shots — while continuing to improving on his promising start as rebounder/interor defender — and become a semi-passable proxy for Kevin Garnett. Or Biedrins could learn another post move or two, continue to be an elite rebounder, get a bit more agressive on D, and become a Top 4-5 NBA Center.

Just to pull some random odds out of my a**: I’d say the chances that Biedrins will at some point in the next 5-10 years be a more productive NBA player than Chris Bosh are roughly 15 percent. And I’d say the odds of Randolph being same are roughly 5 percent. That would make the odds that one of them will be better than Bosh roughly 20% (19.25%, to be precise).

I’d still make the move, but let’s not act like there’s no possible downside to it.

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by Sleepy Freud on Feb 18, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

19.25%...

I’m confused… can you make me a pie chart? ; P

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by olympicmike on Feb 18, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

I knew I’d get some questions about that.

Chances that Biedrins will never be better than Bosh: 85%
Chances that Randolph will never be better than Bosh: 95%
——
Chances that neither will ever be better than Bosh = .85 x .95 = .8075 = 80.75%

So… the chances that at least one will some day be better than Bosh (i.e., the remaining piece of the pie) = 19.25%

QED (I mean, other than the fact that I chose the original numbers from OOMA…)

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by Sleepy Freud on Feb 18, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s assuming of course that those probabilities are independent.

by jae on Feb 18, 2009 11:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Old joke...

I was actually referring to this:

http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2007/4/5/32734/42192

A true classic. From back when I was primarily lurking around here.

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by olympicmike on Feb 20, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Been a while since I have taken math,

whats the chance that they both become better than Bosh?

We will probably need to be patient and let this season play out.
-warriorsvictim

by warriorsscore110 on Feb 18, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Anything is possible...

Of course Bosh could fall in love with the three, become a raging alcoholic, drive crazy with his 3 year old, get caught fighting pitbulls…Anything can happen….Whats to say Randolph won’t fall into traps as well…All I am saying is that based on comparing Bosh’s career with anyone on our roster, I see that it is unlikely that anyone will surpass him…Remember, Bosh is still progressing with his career as well. We need to stop comparing Bosh and Randolph, because they are different players. Bosh was never as raw as Randoolph is currently. I see Randolph’s ceiling as someone like Tayshaun Prince. Long, lean, and hopefully defensive minded. That way he could be a productive NBA player. I definitely do not see him being a superstar. As far as AB and Monta go, we here at GSOM are overating them tremendously. AB is a solid NBA starting center and does what he does well. Nothing more, nothing less. People act like that is an insult or something,but its not, its the truth. He’s not just going to magically develop an outside game. With Monta, he still has more questions than answers. Will he ever regain explosivness, will he want to stick around under current management. Don’t get me wrong, I love Monta and his game and want to see him in a Warriors uni, but to be realistic, he is not a top 30 player in the NBA. I don’t feel like listing 30 guys ahead of him, but I sure I could if need be.

by 3xdubble on Feb 18, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And of those guys to “build around” few of them are ever going to lead their teams to championships.

My gut (and the statistical analysis) says that Bosh is good enough to be the best player on a consistent 4-8 seed playoff team, but he is not dominant enough to be a regular title contender. Without another very, very good player on the squad.

Lebron is that good. Paul is that good and so is Howard. Garnett, Duncan and Wade is at their best are that dominant. And even those guys can’t go it alone.

Kobe is not that good. I realize he’s an immensely talented athlete and a very good player, but without a very good big man, his teams hover around .500. It was true even last year in the interim between Bynum’s injury (who played amazing ball at the beginning of the season) and Gasol’s arrival. And Bosh isn’t as productive as Bryant.

by jae on Feb 18, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough, but

it takes a incredible amount of luck to get a Lebron, CP3, Howard, Garnett, Duncan, or Wade.

But Bosh is something, one or 2 lower levels than those guys and you even agree that Chris Bosh is good enough to take a team to the 6-10 spot in a conference primarily on his talents on his. Their is only about 25 guys in the league that can do that and some of them are on the same team. So if we can grab Bosh and hopefully build around him and Ellis, I think we got a recipe for future success.

We will probably need to be patient and let this season play out.
-warriorsvictim

by warriorsscore110 on Feb 18, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well.. My investigation indicates that Chris Bosh is above the mafia.

by YaHeard on Feb 18, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

who’s better than all the ones we have right now

by DubsDominate on Feb 17, 2009 1:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ok

and when bosh comes out who goes in Kurz lol

by Warriorfan on Feb 17, 2009 1:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

trade

for another big like gooden. ain’t no biggie.

by DubsDominate on Feb 17, 2009 1:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

or sign them in the offseason. Like we did with Turiaf.

by YaHeard on Feb 17, 2009 2:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

what’d we do in 2007?

by DubsDominate on Feb 17, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

always so negative

We also got to see Sarunas play

We still believe!!

by R Dizzle on Feb 17, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

always so negative

YES!

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by Sleepy Freud on Feb 17, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: always so negative

Not always! See…

YES!

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by Sleepy Freud on Feb 17, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Geeez Louf*ckingweeez!!!

by scottiepimppen on Feb 17, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thing is

I am kinda negative about mediocre borderline-playoff teams that no longer exist (the 2006-07 team, e.g.), and I’m especially, irrationally negative about non-existent alternate-universe teams that would have been perennial championship contenders “if only they had listened to me and done X,Y,Z!!!”

On the other hand, I’m a bit of a wild-eyed unrealistic homer about this real-world team that we actually have.

A lot of people on this site exhibit the exact opposite pathology.

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by Sleepy Freud on Feb 17, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Even if you leave in Dunleavy at center that team could still win a championship.

(raising hand) ooooh, ooooh… THATS ME!!!! ……..wait maybe I’m just negative about both.

"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike

by sam23 on Feb 17, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

d'oh, wrong quote

lets try this again-

A lot of people on this site exhibit the exact opposite pathology.

(raises hand) ooooh, THATS ME!!!! …….wait…..oh forget it, joke failure.

"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike

by sam23 on Feb 17, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Which is alot better than being 16 games under .500

I’d rather have the luxury of getting waxed in the second round of the playoffs, with a superstar big man to build around, than consistently find ourselves in the lottery for the next 3 years.

by YaHeard on Feb 17, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Um, yeah.

I already said I’d probably make that trade.

The point remains that we’d likely have to find another credible big man if we wanted to scare anyone in the playoffs, or even be guaranteed of playoffs. How are things working out for the Raps with their superstar bigman?

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by Sleepy Freud on Feb 17, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They were doing just fine until they traded away TJ Ford, started playing worse-defensively-than-Steve-Nash Jose Calderon, and brought in over-rated Jermaine O’Neal. Oh and giving extensive minutes to BUST Andrea Bargnani doesn’t help them much either.

by YaHeard on Feb 17, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

but

who really thought trading TJ for ONeal would make their D worse? I thought it might hurt them team by slowing them down and forcing them to change their style just like the Shaq-Marion trade did to the Suns, but I didnt think it would hurt their D. Moon and Parker not playing anywhere near the level they did last year hurts too.

"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike

by sam23 on Feb 17, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

YES, not all that difficult

There are examples abound of big men going other places in free agency, recent and not so recent. Plus, there are pending free agent big men who, if we can afford them, make for better fits than trading one of two of our core young players for a guy looking to sign big big $ in 1 yr+.

- Would it be hard to lure a guy like Odom away from the Lakers if we tell him he will start and play at least 35 minutes a night?? A full Lakers roster has him coming off the bench.
- Would it be hard to lure a guy like David Lee away from NY, when they’ve all but said the are not resigning him. He’s already playing up and down basketball and is a rebounding machine.

Why not add one of these big men ratehr than dismantle the current team?

by bonbrillio on Feb 17, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Odom or David Lee would be great. But we won’t have the salary cap room that would allow us to sign them. Those guys will be making big money on their next contracts.

What we will have available to spend is the MLE, or about ~$6mil. Perfect for us to find a backup big man just like we found Turiaf at $4mil this year.

by YaHeard on Feb 17, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

HELL NO.

We lose:

Our best player this season.
A player with the potential to be as good as Bosh.
Our only solid big man off the bench.
The best shooter on a trigger-happy team.

We get:
1 all-star for 1 year.
Kelenna Azubuike starting at PF, backed up by Corey Maggette.

no thank you, folks.

by bradyk2 on Feb 17, 2009 1:46 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Andris Biedrins is an extremely flawed and one dimensional big man. While he’s established himself as one of the top rebounders in the league, he’s also been exposed this year in other areas. He’s tried to be more involved in the offense, and his scoring efficiency has taken a noticeable hit, which should leave us to believe that he just shouldn’t try to be a 15+ ppg type scorer. Also, we’ve recognized just how bad he is defensively because we finally have another big man in Turiaf to compare him to. Turiaf makes Biedrins look like Steve Nash on the defensive end.

Anthony Randolph will not be as good as Chris Bosh. Half of the NBA didn’t think so when they passed on him in the draft. John Hollinger didn’t think so when he said he has the biggest bust potential of the draft. Our own coach Don Nelson doesn’t even think so. I believe he can be a very solid and exciting player in this league. But Chris Bosh? That’s pretty lofty.

Turiaf is a solid big man. But we’re talking about a backup big man here. Chris Bosh is an All-Star.

Belinelli isn’t the best shooter on the team. Anthony Morrow is, by a longshot.

by YaHeard on Feb 17, 2009 2:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"Maybe I need somebody that can save me from the parts of myself that keep making me crazy" -Slug-

by drizztismoneybaby on Feb 17, 2009 7:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yes that would be

why toronto would want him.

by Ormolov on Feb 17, 2009 9:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

AB's scoring efficiency

Has not taken a “noticeable hit.” His 57% FG is off three points from his career average, but he’s making up for that by getting to the line more often — 4.6 fta per 36, compared to 3.2 career. (Still bricking too much when he gets there, but getting there is half the battle). Bottom line: he’s averaging 15.1 points per 36 minutes, so whether he should or shouldn’t try to be a 15+ scorer, he’s there. He’s also significantly picked up his assist rate (while ticking up only slightly in TO), and improved his already-fantastic rebounding numbers.

I agree with your larger point that you gotta give to get when you’re talking about a young stud like Bosh. I wouldn’t be that excited about the deal ‘cos I love AB, and I think there’s a non-zero chance that Randolph ends up better than Bosh (by “non-zero” I mean like 1-5%). But in the NBA anytime you can get the best player in any deal — and said best player is 24 — you probably should pull the trigger.

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by Sleepy Freud on Feb 17, 2009 5:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Biedrins is flawed (as are almost all players in the game) but ‘extremely flawed’ is incorrect. He does the two things that are most important in a big man very well. He converts a high percentage of his shots and he rebounds the ball. Would it be nice if he had a more diversified offensive game and was more of a stopper? Sure, but there’s really, really few of those guys out there. What he does is both valuable and very, very hard to replace. His efficiency has taken a hit, but it may not be as simple as ‘he tried to do more’. The loss of Baron likely has much to do with this. It’s hurt most other players. Further, Andris is still very efficient. Also for what it’s worth, the Warriors have been a better defensive team in terms of points per possession when he’s been on the court than when he’s been off. If Turiaf really makes Biedrins look like Steve Nash on the defensive end, this isn’t reflected in the actual results over the course of the season.

Agree though that any notion of keeping Randolph because of his potential to be as good as Bosh is a stretch. He might be better, but that’s highly, highly unlikely and it’s unlikely that he’ll ever be as good. It’s unlikely most bigs will be as good. I think Bosh is somewhat over-rated at this point and unless he further develops he’ll be the big you can build a perennial low-tier playoff team around (he is not the best player on a contender). But there are very, very, very few players about whom you can say more than this.

by jae on Feb 17, 2009 8:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm down.

I think it’s even more impressive that Biedrins is producing just as well or better than last year. He’s basically played half the season without a real pg setting him up. We’d all love to see AB develop more on offense, but if he can maintain this kind of efficiency around the hoop and rebound like he always does, I can’t complain about his contract.

Looks like one of the proposed deals just went through. Chandler to the Thunder? Great trade imo by the Thunder, and not bad for the Hornets. I wonder if this means they’re happy enough with Hilton Armstrong, or if it’s purely a salary dump.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Feb 17, 2009 11:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not a great defender

But 3rd in the league in rpg, and 15ppg on 57% shooting? Ignorance to cal that extremely flawed.

by bradyk2 on Feb 17, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know.

As for Biedrins, extremely flawed? 15ppg on 57? third in the league in rebounding? on what basis can you say this? takes a 3 fg drop when one of the best passers in the league leaves the team.

Randolph could be great. People were saying he had KG potential. Nellie has said this, and still says it, he just doesn’t like his attitude.

When was the last team to win a championship without a great energy guy off the bench? James Posey or Robert Horry, anyone? Who plays PF, backup PF, and C if we lose Biedrins, Turiaf and Randolph? Bosh has started at SMALL forward this season. We can’t have him play 48 minutes at center and 48 at power forward.

Belinelli, in my opinion is our best shooter. He gets much more defensive attention, which is why his numbers our worse than morrows. But someone isn’t an 18 round pick on shooting alone just to be worse than an undrafted player. Morrow has been great, but Bellinelli is our best pure shooter, plus our best PG, and quickly a solid defender.

And I don’t know how many times I have to say that we get bosh for 1 freaking year.

by bradyk2 on Feb 17, 2009 5:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Once again.. You're Way Off..

Biedrins is what he is.. a guy who will grab 10 to 15 boards a night and score 10 pts. He plays so-so D, and if he ever learns how to stay out of foul trouble (he is only 22).. and get stronger, he will improve on defense. He’s not one dimensional.. He has EXCELLENT hands, and catches the ball extremely well on the pick and roll. He plays hard, has excellent endurance, and has avoided injury. He’s an EXCELLENT value at 9 mil a year.

Anthony Randolph WILL be as good as Chris Bosh, especially when he stops trying to PLAY like Chris Bosh. AR is already a better defender, rebounder and ball handler than Bosh. A few years of seasoning, and AR will score as well as Bosh. Hollinger DID say Randolph had the highest bust potential, but he ALSO said he had the most upside in the draft, and called him a “top 5 talent”. In more recent reviews, Hollinger praises Randolph, and says that with maturity will come discipline and better shot selection. The fact is, Randolph does the things the Warriors really need him to do (rebound and block shots) BETTER than Bosh could RIGHT NOW. The Warriors have PLENTY of scorers. They need their bigs to play defense and rebound. Finally, Nelson has NEVER said that Randolph is limited in talent or potential, only that he lacks discipline. Thats what happens with a player who has been so talented at every level that no coach could afford to bench him, and thus he developed bad habbits. Nelson is helping him with that by making him earn playing time.

by EJ743 on Feb 17, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

“Hey McFly”.. would you trade away a bottle of amazing wine which hasn’t matured yet for a bottle of crappy wine that’s ready to drink?

Randolph is not just “potentially good”, he’s GOOD RIGHT NOW! he pulled 10 rebounds in 14 minutes against Portland. He plays hard (you can’t teach that). Guys with that much desire figure out how to improve the areas of their game that need work. (see Kobe when he was young, he was skilled but erratic and inconsistent, and he turned out all right)\

The fact is, if Randolph played as many minutes as Bosh plays, he would average about 12 pts a game, and about 13 rebounds AS A ROOKIE. Check the Stats.. Bosh didn’t do that.

IN FACT: Bosh averaged 11.5 pts and 7.4 reb in 33 min his rookie season. Randolph is averaging 5.8 pts and 4.1 rebs in 12 min. If Randolph got 33 min/game, he’s averaging 16 pts and 11.3 rebs! Hows that Chris Bosh fans?

by EJ743 on Feb 17, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

amen, my friend

amen.

Furthermore, this point needs to be made:
Averages this season:

Chris Bosh:
38 minutes. 23 points. 9.5 rebounds. 0.9 blocks.

Anthony Randolph + Andris Biedrins:
44 minutes. 18 points. 16 rebounds. 2.5 blocks.

I know we play these guys at different positions, but my point is, when we play our best bigs, they are productive offensively, and better than bosh in other categories. except we have more. and they won’t leave for free agency after next season.

by bradyk2 on Feb 18, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

^ LOL

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Feb 18, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

in that case, we shouldn’t trade Jamal Crawford and Stephen Jackson for Lebron James either. Combined, they put up way more stats!!!

by YaHeard on Feb 18, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ummm, not really

Seeing as Jackson+Crawford average a combined 77 minutes and 6 turnovers a game.

My point was not that Randolph+Beans=Bosh. My point was if we trade Bosh for Biedrins, straight up, we lose rebounds and blocked shots and waste 7 minutes that could be given to Randolph’s development.

Does Bosh put up monster numbers sometimes? Yes. Is he a poor rebounder for his size? yes. Is he a winner? NO.

The problem with Bosh (other than being an FA in a year) is he is a franchise player. But he is not a winner. If we make this trade we lose 90% of our 4 and 5 talent, and we get back a player who has to be our franchise player, but yet can’t win a playoff series, or even get a winning record with a #1 draft pick, and one of the best passers and shooters in the league on his team.

Chris Bosh is a younger Allen Iverson. He has immense talent, and can put up a ton of points. However he’s mediocre at the most important part of his position (rebounding, for Iverson passing). You can’t have him on your team without placing him as a “franchise” player, yet he doesn’t win.

I just don’t see how he makes us better, especially when we lose our 3 best players at his position.

by bradyk2 on Feb 18, 2009 7:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If we trade for Bosh, it’s not like we’re going to be playing 4-on-5. I don’t understand your logic at all.

And Bosh IS a winner. He’s won more than the Warriors have in the last 3 years, with very untalented teammates at that.

by YaHeard on Feb 18, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And Bosh IS a winner. He’s won more than the Warriors have in the last 3 years

LOL.

Up to the minute records since since the 06/07 season:

Raptors
109-111
3-8 playoffs

Warriors (in a tougher conference)
109-110
5-6 playoffs

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 19, 2009 1:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Anthony Randolph

was also rated to be in the top three in potential last year by the same guy…. he is the kind of player who could be one of the best in the league, or never develop an NBA game and be a fringe rotation guy. Based off early effort and improvements, things are looking bright.

by IceDubs on Feb 17, 2009 10:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Forget that for now atleast

I want to atleast see how THIS team plays first before we destroy it. I say wait until this summer and try and make a deal then if things dont look promising. This trade reduces are bigs which were already short handed with.

by Warriorfan on Feb 17, 2009 1:49 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Crawford possibly will option out in summer

He wants to get a long contract.The Dubs have performed well recently with monta’s return.IF we can have 37 above wins finally,that’ll be fine and with crawford option out we can sign a big man.Marco and cj will have more playing time.

by Belinelli on Feb 17, 2009 2:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

After building his reputation as worst defensive guard in the league, I highly doubt he’s going to opt out of $18 million thinking other teams are going to pay him top dollar when that cap space can be saved for the 2010 free agent class. Crawford’s stupid, he’ll take that $18 mil.

by YaHeard on Feb 17, 2009 2:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If the Warriors front office is smart, they would try to persuade Crawford to opt out of his deal and re-sign him to a 1 year / $18mil contract instead (or whatever his max $ amount could be). Then we could use him as a very valuable trading chip next trade deadline, or let his contract expire and get him off the books sooner. It’s win-win for Crawford too because he gets $18mil in just one year, as opposed to two.

by YaHeard on Feb 17, 2009 2:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's a good idea

but do we have the cap space?And 18m a year for crawford is overpaid.13-14m is attractive enough for him and other teams are willing to receive it.Ti will be a Szecbiak like contract and is’s attractive for teams like NY.

by Belinelli on Feb 17, 2009 2:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We have his bird rights, we won’t need cap space to re-sign our own player.

And it doesn’t matter if 18mil for one year is overpaying him, it’s strategically better than paying him the 18mil over two years.

by YaHeard on Feb 17, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

dangerous

He could get hurt or the economy slumps even more – we overpay and don’t get any benefit

by mosdl on Feb 17, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Benefit: We get him off the team in one year rather than two. $18mil is $18mil is $18mil.

by YaHeard on Feb 17, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

as much as I'd hate to see biedrins go

I wouldn’t be too bummed if this went down. that’s a LOT to give up for Bosh though. he’s good, I don’t know if he’s that good though.

+ we’ll botch re-signing him.

by DubsDominate on Feb 17, 2009 1:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I´m Ok with it, as long as NO TURIAF on the deal...

We simply cant afford to lose him right now… If it was Biedrins + Bellineli + AR + Filler for Bosh ok… but no Turiaf

F**K REFS

by faetati on Feb 17, 2009 2:01 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

gotta keep turiaf to go alongside bosh…with the possibility of adding a 3rd big in the rotation somewhere down the road

by 3xdubble on Feb 17, 2009 8:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

EXACTLY

As soon as I saw Turiaf’s name mentioned, I was like “Uh No!!!” We’re already giving up a lot for Bosh, but not the only other good big man, next to AB.

Geeez Louf*ckingweeez!!!

by scottiepimppen on Feb 17, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fact: The team that gets the best player of the deal in the trade always comes out ahead.

I dare anyone to prove me otherwise.

by YaHeard on Feb 17, 2009 2:09 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I STARTED

an association on 2k9 with bosh on our roster.
OFFENSE: 95
DEFENSE: 71
OVERALL: 93
LOLOLOLOL

I say keep the team as it is. What we got to lose? We get to see the chemistry build til offseason. That’s when I think we should start makin moves…

"I got game like Stuart Scott...
Fresh out the ESPN shop..."

by siniGANGSTER.GSW on Feb 17, 2009 5:04 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

BLEAGH YUK

this is the worst trade ever. id love Bosh but not at the price of a fire sale. You let us keep Turiaf or our # 1 pick then maybe we can talk. we gotta keep some depth at the bigs and im not sure wright and davidson will cut it.

Sorry Chad, youve lost it man.

by meximocha on Feb 17, 2009 6:45 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Chris tends to be wrong 100% of the time. So if he thinks it could happen that means

there is zero chance of it happening. Plus the fact he has us trading away 2 big men to get back 1 means it definitly is not happening. It makes no sense.

by dungeness crabdribble on Feb 17, 2009 7:28 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

He predicted the Chandler trade

Even though he didn’t completely nail it, Chris got the general outline and forecasted the Hornets-Thunder swap.

by monta101 on Feb 17, 2009 6:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sadly...

Our upper management is the ones that don’t make a lot of sense right now.

Wish we still had that $10 MM trade exception…

Golden State Warriors fan since 1984. The Filipino sensation!

by RayAlmeda on Feb 17, 2009 8:39 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

That thing would be better than gold right now. Say…Holy Grail?

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Feb 17, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Even if we still had the $10mil TPE, we couldn’t use it to get Bosh. You can’t combine it with other players in a trade, it could only be used by itself.

by YaHeard on Feb 17, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

BOSH WILL NOT LEAVE TORONTO...

In case you haven’ t heard, the Raptors traded Jermaine O’Neal to the Heat for Shawn Marion.

The Raptors have the complete team now and are done with trades.

by Darkcloud on Feb 17, 2009 9:13 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

...till the offseason.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Feb 17, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bosh and Turiaf in the frontcourt would be awesome

I see the future, and it is Pablo

by CB30 on Feb 17, 2009 9:42 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

My bad i thought he wasnt included. Thats a small frontcourt then

I see the future, and it is Pablo

by CB30 on Feb 17, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Let's do it...

Put Tom Abdenour at SG and Nelly at PF.

by phiLthyphiL on Feb 17, 2009 9:46 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

i know i suggested this before....

but man its a hard decision…..if we’re patient…. in 3 years monta, randolph, biedrins could be pretty amazing….

but then again its never safe to ‘wait for future’…. u never know when some1s gonna pull a sprewell and forces you to blow it up (extreme example)

by tafkasam on Feb 17, 2009 10:12 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Were giving up too much

Biedrins + Randolph together is alot better then Bosh. Basically because in 2 years Randolph might be better then Bosh. Biedrins is already borderline all-star. Dont do it.

by sjboy on Feb 17, 2009 12:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Basically because in 2 years Randolph might be better then Bosh

Might be, he most likely wont be. Chris Bosh is 26 years and already turned into a perenial All-Star and we dont know if Randolph will turn into a solid NBA starter.

Biedrins is already borderline all-star

Meaning he is probably near the 5th best center in the West? Sure. Biedrins wont make more than 1 All-Star game in his career. Thats not a bad thing, its just that he is not an All-Star, he is a solid starting center.

Dont do it

For the love of god, if this trade is offered by the Raps, please do it immediately before the Raptors think it over.

We will probably need to be patient and let this season play out.
-warriorsvictim

by warriorsscore110 on Feb 17, 2009 6:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike

by sam23 on Feb 17, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

-1000000

And then what? Bosh at center and Maggs at PF with no Turiaf to back it up? Rob Kurz would be in heaven since we all know Bosh will be gone in 2010 where a LOT of teams will have the money (but we won’t). And on top of it we give up first round draft pick?!?

2010 lineup:

PG Monta
SG Jackson
SF Maggette
PF overpaid power forward
C Rob Kurz

West coast bottom here we come!

by buky on Feb 18, 2009 6:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

you left out Crawford or cap room if he opts out

Crawford/Monta/Jackson/Maggette/Bosh>Crawford/Monta/Jackson/Maggette/Biedrins+Turiaf

"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike

by sam23 on Feb 18, 2009 8:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So you propose that instead of going all in and trying to be a competetive force in the Western Conference,

(and yes of course there is the risk of Bosh leaving and the plan back firing) you want to stay status quo? I’ll glady take the chance that we might lose Bosh if there is a chance we can keep him and build around a Bosh/Ellis tandem with Jackson, Maggette, Azibuike, and Wright as role players and add some depth via draft, free agency(MLE), and the d-leauge.

But your saying that its not worth the risk. Give up a once in a lifetime player like Turiaf? No way! Lock up the 13th spot in the draft for he next few years, hey we might get lucky again, catch lightning in a bottle and make the 7th or 8th seed and get punked in the first round.

We will probably need to be patient and let this season play out.
-warriorsvictim

by warriorsscore110 on Feb 18, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

very short-sighted.

There are a plethora of big men that we can sign this offseason with the MLE.

by YaHeard on Feb 18, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Trade doesn't make sense.

3 of our big man for one? Meanwhile we ruin our chances of drafting one. Chad Ford is just getting high off of all the hype that has been incessantly regurgitated onto the pages of GSOM.

No rent-a-bosh. No rent-an-amare.

I know this season has been pooey, but you people need to stop huffing the fabreeze.

Would Cohan and Rowell really go over the capspace and trade away an entire second team? For the love of corn dogs I cannot wait for the trade deadline.

That said it would not surprise me if Cohan and Rowell did something drastic to get an immediate boost in season ticket sales (or at least the value of season tickets). If they can’t cut young prospects to get under the cap then the relative increase in ticket value will have to accommodate for going into the luxury tax.

Not to mention that Cohan would get two years of guaranteed season ticket sales if you consider that the Warriors are one of the few teams that requires season ticket holders to renew well in advance of any off season moves. This means that regardless of whether Chris Bosh resigns or not your ticket money to see him play will already be in Cohan’s pocket. So he could just use the easy excuse of simply being unable Bosh ruined the season and we are left worse off than we were before.

Given the current state of the team and expectations for the season the Season Ticket price is said to be going down. Despite being raised some 30 percent, a 10-15% decrease is more likely. That wouldn’t make purchasers feel much better so I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the front office is frantically structuring a money grab.

Enjoy your one year of entertaining basketball with Bosh you tools.

by Nuck Chorris on Feb 17, 2009 12:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Would Cohan and Rowell really go over the capspace and trade away an entire second team?

I don’t get it. We’re trading away the same amount of salary that we’re taking back…

And we already are over the “capspace”.

by YaHeard on Feb 17, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Unless Craw opts out,

we will probably to close to the luxary tax to even use the MLE in the offseason.

We will probably need to be patient and let this season play out.
-warriorsvictim

by warriorsscore110 on Feb 17, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm probably the Captain of the S.S. Bosh

in addition to my duties as Captain of the S.S. Amare, but that trade feels like too much to me. Take any one of the non-Biedrins guys out of the trade and we can start discussing it.

by markdash on Feb 17, 2009 12:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

+1

I say we take turaif off and we have a deal

by skeetdanut on Feb 17, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If your the captain...

I’m probably the first mate…bring Bosh to Oakland!

by 3xdubble on Feb 17, 2009 7:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bosh ? or Bust?

This is typical of something the Ws would do, trade away the future for an uncertain one: I would not trade Randolph right now for Bosh unless it was a 2 for 1 deal: because AR has such potential to become a star type player, he’s freakish in the way he moves for his size and his quickness to the ball is amazing, give this man a chance to develop: on the other hand BW and AB with Marco would not destroy us if we had Bosh with the rest of the mix, but if we don’t have any kind of guarantee that he will stay with the Ws then forget it: this seems like the curse of the Ws, always trying to get to that elite level and never quite being able to do it, and just when they have a nucleolus that has some potential they scrap it all only to find out later it was the wrong move: better to stay pat and see what this team can do when all healthy than sacrifice everything for one player that may up and leave anyway: can u imagine another 3 or 4 D league guys with what’s left after we lose AB, AR, MB, RT; a 20 game win a year team with discontent and drama all year:

by ForestGrump on Feb 17, 2009 12:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

ill tell you what front office

i’ll renew my tix if you land this deal.

by bojangles408 on Feb 17, 2009 12:43 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

anything for bosh

except for jaymee sire. DO IT YESTERDAY!!!!!

warriors dont fish they hunt!

by VonteegoCummings on Feb 17, 2009 1:07 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I am sorry dude........

but her nose just trips me out. She’d be hella cute if she just fixed that darn nose!

by nuttinbutnet on Feb 17, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

P.S.

to those salivating about Randolph’s potential?

Remember the next Elton Brand Ike Diogu? thats right…. now go get me chris bosh.

warriors dont fish they hunt!

by VonteegoCummings on Feb 17, 2009 1:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

Because Diogu was 6-10 physical freak with mad hops who put up 11.5 rebounds and 3 blocks per 36 minutes as a skinny 19-year-old in the NBA.

Obviously, as fans, we totally overrate Rudolph’s potential, but Diogu — who even at the time of drafting, was being assailed for his total lack of NBA upside — is a horrible comp.

Plus, Rudolph’s potential for superstardom > your potential with Jaymee. :,-(

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 17, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He's talking about Randolph

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Feb 17, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fail.

"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald

by WarriorForLife on Feb 17, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

lulz

I see the future, and it is Pablo

by CB30 on Feb 18, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

POTENTIAL!

Here’s the draft time scouting report. Name the players:

A true 7-footer, [he shows] agile moves on the court. He’s a small forward that can knock down the three – combine his agility, quickness, range and height, and you see why NBA scouts love the kid.

and

Once he matures a little physically, he’s gonna be real good. If he comes in the draft, he’d be tough to pass, particularly for a team that’s good right now and could wait a year."

or perhaps this guy:

[He] may be the best all-around player in the Draft. He’s going to be an outstanding player and since he is likely to start, he’ll have a chance to produce right away. Some people don’t understand this guy is 6-foot-11 and multi-talented.

and who could forget:

[He] can play inside and inside and is a good ballhandler and passer for his size. Some scouts feel that he can play point forward or maybe even point guard in the NBA. [He] has good shooting range

by jae on Feb 17, 2009 5:15 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

1. Nikoloz Tskitishvili.

2. Nikoloz Tskitishvili.
3. Nikoloz Tskitishvili.
4. Nikoloz Tskitishvili.

Sleepy ftw!

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 17, 2009 5:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I believe it’s Tskitishvili, Tskitishvili, Kwame Brown and — jae saved the most painful for last — li’l Mikey Dunleavy.

by onlxn on Feb 17, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You have to admit

Dunleavy could play inside and inside.

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 17, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Didn’t even notice. I just cut and paste.

by jae on Feb 17, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

we have a winner!

For giggles, compare the description of these guys to the draft previews of Randolph. Remember this when fearing letting him go because of his “unique” skills and “potential” one should remember the great things that were said about some major flops of the past.

by jae on Feb 17, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I Googlecheated. Pretty delightful.

by onlxn on Feb 17, 2009 5:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well.....

rudolph’s potential for superstardon = your potential with jaymee

we’re both showing promise here sleepy….Rudolph with his projected stats and me with…

vonteegocummings said:
 is it wrong to love you? With how bad the dubs are this year…you are the only reason why I watch. I love you Jaymee…very much lol

-December 1st, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Jaymee said:
 Thanks guys! Hope you both have a Happy Holiday!

an interaction between me and jaymee = randolph bringing the ball up after a rebound.

warriors dont fish they hunt!

by VonteegoCummings on Feb 18, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

rudolph’s potential for superstardon = your potential with jaymee

That’s harsh bro. lol.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Feb 18, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bob Fitzgerald just laughed off this trade and called

Chad Ford a complete hack! I agree this is too much for 1 guy.

by dungeness crabdribble on Feb 17, 2009 1:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I know it's his job but...

I can’t stand Fitz’ homerism sometimes. It’s down right disgusting at times.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Feb 17, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Beans or Turiaf

Choose one to trade, not both.

But I’d all down for:
Beans, Wright or AR, Belli, 1st rounder

by djfivenine on Feb 17, 2009 1:58 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

This is a bad trade for the W's

The most important aspect of any trade for Bosh would be the ability to re-sign or extend him past 2010. Would Bosh agree to an extension? If the trade went through, should the Warriors just throw the max at Bosh? If he were to leave town, the W’s would have some cap room in 2010, but I doubt they would be able to get one of the top 5 free agents that year.

The second most important factor would be the loss of depth to a team that’s already not deep. Knowing Nellie, what would be the individual MPG stats?

Jax 44
Crawford 42
Bosh 41
Monta 39
Maggette 37
Azubuike 24
Watson 10
Wright 3

This team would run out of gas by the all-star break and could basically afford no injuries.

I think this is a great trade for Toronto considering Bosh is unhappy anyway.

by UncleCliffy on Feb 17, 2009 1:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Wright, 3 minutes?! He’s already averaging 17 mpg this season, and Nelson just found out this kid can actually play.

And where’s Anthony Morrow at?

by YaHeard on Feb 17, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

YaHeard, is Wright averaging 17 minutes per game, or is he averaging 17 minutes in the games he gets in? Big difference. According to the stats, Marcus Williams is averaging 6mpg, but we know that’s not really true. And if it took Nellie a year and a half to realize that Wright can play, then do you think he will get big minutes once the all-star PF comes to town? No, his ass will get sent to the end of the bench.

I definitely left out Anthony Morrow, but Nellie has done the same the past five games for no apparent reason, so we can’t give Morrow any more than five minutes per 48, right?

by UncleCliffy on Feb 17, 2009 11:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wright’s only had 6 DNP-CD’s this season, compared to the 31 games he’s played in, and those may have been due to minor injuries, I can’t remember.

by YaHeard on Feb 18, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

morrow

ya if Morrow could just improve his defense he could eventually be our starting 2 guard in years to come. I would do this trade if we subtracted turiaf, but ONLY if that happens we cant lost both our centers

by FeartheBeard4 on Feb 17, 2009 2:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

unlikely

morrow is going to become the jason kapono, steve novak type 3 point shooters in this league.

by saintdee on Feb 17, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I am sick of this value for value trade stuff

too many players have bad contracts that over value them then teams are put in a bad position when attempting to trade because of the forced equal value clause.

I say trade Biens for Bosh plus cash if the Dubs are really serious about this deal. Then if Bosh leaves we have a roster left to play around with

by warriorsvictim on Feb 17, 2009 3:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

i dont think you can trade AB for Bosh

they cant do that, also prolly wouldnt do that

by 123707THIZZ on Feb 17, 2009 6:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Even if money wasn't an issue.

The Raptors don’t do a straight up Bosh-AB deal.

"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald

by WarriorForLife on Feb 17, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i wouldnt trade belinelli

what the eff??

J-Rich and Matt Barnes will always be missed

by JayDeeAye on Feb 17, 2009 4:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

noooo wayyy

giving up way too much

by gorillas on Feb 17, 2009 4:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

+10000.93451

thats what i thought too.

by 123707THIZZ on Feb 17, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+0.06549

now it’s 10001

by weirdfishy on Feb 17, 2009 6:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I do not want to trade Belinelli and Beans

just throw in some picks

I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck

by chili01 on Feb 17, 2009 7:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

These are the very same arguments people were making against trading for Kevin Garnett.

“He’s too skinny.
He can’t play center.
Biedrins is going to be an All-Star.
We’d be left with no big men.
We’d have no depth.
He’s never done anything great on his former team.
Let’s just wait and see what happens. We have a good team!”

blah blah blah

And just how are the Boston Celtics doing nowadays? Who are their other big men besides Garnett? Big baby? Perkins? Leon Powe? Scalabrine?!

And who comes off their bench? Eddie house? Tony Allen? Wow, they must suck! They’ve got no depth and no other big men! Hopefully we never end up like the Boston Celtics. No, please, Warriors, don’t trade for that superstar big man!

by YaHeard on Feb 17, 2009 8:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I basically agree

but we dont exactly have Paul Pierce, Ray Allen or Rajon Rondo

"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike

by sam23 on Feb 17, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

we got:

morrow = ray allen
jack = pierce
ellis = ?

by = i mean <
lol

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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by LostHawk on Feb 18, 2009 12:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice logic.

Because the arguments against making a trade are similar, Chris Bosh = Kevin Garnett.

I’m pretty sure these were also the arguments used against trading for Jermaine O’Neal and Zach Randolph.

And remind me again which big men the Warriors would have after this trade who are better than Perk and Powe? Or which wings they’d have who are better than Pierce and Allen? Or what PG better than Rondo?

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 17, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Whoops!

I mean, what sam said.

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 17, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I certainly don’t think that you think that Jermaine O’Neal and Zach Randolph are anywhere near Chris Bosh.

And, no, Chris Bosh is no Kevin Garnett. But I will lump them both into the same category of “big men who will bring you to the playoffs almost every year, and farther if you surround them with talent”.

I’m just bummed by this homer logic… this isn’t a playoff-calibur team, folks. And with the way the roster is currently constructed, it ain’t gonna be for a long long while.

by YaHeard on Feb 17, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well put,

the most ridiculuos claims are the people who say that Turiaf is the deal breaker. WE ARE NOT GOING TO THE PLAYOFFS this year or next, I would rather build around Monta and Bosh than the motly crew we have at the moment.

We will probably need to be patient and let this season play out.
-warriorsvictim

by warriorsscore110 on Feb 17, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

but…its nice to half some depth…and turiaf is prob the best bench center in the league

hope we cane keep him…but if we cant, so be it

ill trade everyone on the team other than ellis for bosh if i have to

that way…2 years own the line…we can be legit!

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk

by LostHawk on Feb 18, 2009 12:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

its nice to half some depth

It would cut our depth in half, or more.

by jae on Feb 18, 2009 1:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Przybilla>Turiaf? My gut answer would be yes, but I dont want to do the statistical research necessary to really back that claim.

"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike

by sam23 on Feb 18, 2009 8:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Quick look

Turiaf (per 36)

9.5pts 7.3reb 3.4ast .486fg% 4.0blk 1.5tov

Przybilla (per 36)

8.4pts 12.9reb 0.6ast .680fg% 1.5blk 1.3tov

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Feb 18, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The areas where Przybilla is better are far, far more influential on wins.

by jae on Feb 18, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Your gut answer would be right.

by jae on Feb 18, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not all ‘superstars’ are equal. Garnett is a much better player than Bosh (and was at the same age). He adds nearly twice as many wins to a team as Bosh does on his own. Bosh is a good player, but he’s not in the same category as Garnett.

On the other hand, Bosh is younger.

by jae on Feb 17, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i don't know what to say to this trade.

i would probably give it a no

The fact that bosh’s contract expires in 2010 bugs the crap out of me. I’d rather trade monta over biedrins and find a point guard than to rather have crawford/monta/jackson/wright/bosh with maggs/kelenna/cj coming off the bench. That’s like the we believe era revisited with no true starting point guard. With that we definitely won’t make the playoffs this year and probably won’t next year especially if we lost our 1st round draft pick for 2009 in the trade. People are forgetting how injury plagued we were the first half of the season.

I say we ride this year out and rebuild this team in the offseason. Probably deal away either maggette,crawford,randolph and/or 1st round pick to the thunder for one of their future first round picks like we did for jrich for bwright. I do understand that yes bosh is an all-star, but last time i checked, the raptors and the warriors had a similar records compared to us, so what are the chances of them giving up a current all-star power forward for a starting center/back up center/potential forward/potential guard/first round pick? I’d say 50/50. If the raptors were any smart, they’d be interested and back away. If I saw this trade, I’d probably do the same.

Our record is horrible this year, but no one ever said we’d be playoff bound anyways especially with baron gone and monta injured being the two biggest headlines out of the multiple issues we’ve had this season. We have a game on wednesday vs the lakers of last years western conference champs (i say that because bynum is gone again) I say if we don’t play a close game, then hell why not do the trade, but the way I see it, we’re gambling just as much both ways.

It’s either we lose 5 good players (i say that because either 2009/2010 will end up in a first round pick depending on which one we give away) and get an all-star, or we keep our 5 and let one of them develop into an all-star. We need to stop being gung-ho on trading, i know our record is bad but damn, one all-star is not gonna turn this franchise around (unless it’s lebron/kobe/dwight/wade….. you get what i mean)

by seven72deuce on Feb 18, 2009 1:23 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

your 2009 golden state warriors

Crawford
Ellis
Jackson
Bosh
Drew Gooden (MLE)
Jrue Holliday
Azubuike
Maggette
Wright
Shelden Williams
Morrow
Davidson

warriors dont fish they hunt!

by VonteegoCummings on Feb 18, 2009 1:52 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Shelden Williams?

would our roster be lacking in UGLY without him or something?

"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike

by sam23 on Feb 18, 2009 8:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just Shutup

with all this trade talk bs. We probably aren’t going to make a trade for Bosh or anyone for that matter. The team is fine just where it is right now. Randolph is showing great strides in his progression and if we just give him a chance, he could possibly develop into a special player. Monta is our future, Biedrins is perfect for the team and does great things for us, Ronny is our best defender, Marco has got some good potential, and that 1st rounder could be a good player. Don’t get me wrong, Bosh is a heck of a player, but why would we want to give up a huge chunk of our future for one guy. We aren’t going to be contenders right away anyways, so why make this deal for a guy who would most likely leave after a year and a half anyways. Why don’t we just put all of this Warrior trade talk to rest, because it’s getting tiring to listen to ways the Warriors can mess up their future. Are you guys that desperate for a quick fix? It might be fun to see Bosh be a Warrior for a little while, but they won’t be contenders in the future if they make this deal.

by duballers23 on Feb 18, 2009 11:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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