OPEN THREAD: NBA Trade Deadline 2009
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 19, 2009 10:24 AM PST
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PrintUPDATE (12:45pm): Oddly enough both Mullin lotto busts Ike Diogu and Patrick O'Bryant got traded in the last 24 hours. Unfortunately it looks like the Warriors did nothing. Absolutely nothing.
Really makes you want to "BUY TICKETS! BUY TICKETS!! BUY TICKETS!!!" for next season doesn't it? Looks like 2009-2010 will be rebuilding year x15 of the ridiculously incompetent Cohan era, but let's see what happens this summer. I'd really like this guy.
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Looking over the minute distribution from last night's expected loss to the LA Lakers makes you wonder. Despite having trouble getting the ball in the hole Monta Ellis played 45 minutes. Was Nellie trying to prove to other teams that his ankle is fine? Despite another terrible night in terms of shooting and turnovers, Stephen Jackson played 45 minutes, wound up with an impressive 9 dimes, 6 boards, 2 blocks, and 1 steal, plus some great D on Kobe. Was Nellie trying to showcase Jack as a key cog for a contender this year? Despite playing sporadically, prior to this game Anthony Randolph logged nearly 28 minutes and even though he was a little wild, very few folks would disagree that his 14-12 with 2 swats outing was his finest performance to date. Was Nellie trying to hype up his potential, so that it would be easier to shop him around and fool some other team for an All-Star? Some reports had Marco Belinelli sitting this one out, but he still logged 15 minutes and dropped 4 dimes with 0 turnovers (that has to be the most un-Jack like line there). Was Nellie trying to showcase him as a versatile player with a (mythical) great shot?
I know there's obviously holes in each of those conspiracy theories, but around this time of the year it's fair to ask those questions.
I believe the Warriors really are far away from the top 9 teams in the West. It's time to make some bold moves. No one should be untouchable on this 19-36 roster, especially given how tough the West is. If something big doesn't happen today, then Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell are going to have a very difficult time this spring getting season ticket holders and others to "BUY TICKETS! BUY TICKETS!! BUY TICKETS!!!"
All I know is that Adonal Foyle's $9 million expiring deal sure would've come in handy today. But I guess common sense and long term vision is too much to ask from Cohan, Rowell, and Chris Mullin.
Post any rumors, links, thoughts, updates, etc that you've got about today's trading frenzy in the National Basketball Association in the comments.
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All I know is that Adonal Foyle’s $9 million expiring deal sure would’ve come in handy today.
True. On the other hand, keeping Adonal would’ve had us over $3 million closer to paying luxury tax this year, meaning we probably wouldn’t have signed Turiaf, or, more likely, we would’ve renounced the rights to Azubuike.
I think it’s reasonable to criticize the team for giving up on Foyle’s contract, but they didn’t do it for zero reason. They did a nice thing for a classy longtime Warrior, but they also saved themselves several million in the process, money which eventually went to Azubuike. Yes, they could’ve had both the Foyle contract and Azubuike by dipping into the luxury tax, but as the last couple days of salary dumps should remind people, the NBA is a business… most teams don’t like breaking that barrier unless they’re championship-level, and I don’t blame them.
True. On the other hand, keeping Adonal would’ve had us over $3 million closer to paying luxury tax this year, meaning we probably wouldn’t have signed Turiaf, or, more likely, we would’ve renounced the rights to Azubuike.
I don’t think you can draw a direct cause and effect between Foyle’s contract and the Turiaf signing or Azubuike matching, but even if you can- who cares? Both of those guys are simply role players and neither of them get you to the playoffs. A 9 million dollar expiring deal could’ve made the Warriors serious trade partners for a name that matters. Look at all the major trades for big name players the past few years (KG and Gasol are the best examples) and they all have a common thread- an expiring contract.
I think it’s reasonable to criticize the team for giving up on Foyle’s contract, but they didn’t do it for zero reason. They did a nice thing for a classy longtime Warrior
Mullin did an extremely nice thing for him when he foolishly gave him that ridiculous contract in the first place. Paying a guy $18 million and giving him free floor seats is a really nice thing.
but as the last couple days of salary dumps should remind people, the NBA is a business… most teams don’t like breaking that barrier unless they’re championship-level, and I don’t blame them.
You’re right it is a business and from a consumer standpoint the Warriors are running a terrible business and have been putting out a terrible product for the majority of the past 15 years. Let’s see what happens come renewal time.
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 19, 2009 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Seriously?
I don’t usually criticize the management around here, but c’mon. And Atma, why are you defending Hash?
All I know is that Adonal Foyle’s $9 million expiring deal sure would’ve come in handy today. But I guess common sense and long term vision is too much to ask from Cohan, Rowell, and Chris Mullin.
It is childish to try to accuse the Warriors front office of doing something illogical for the team by buying out Foyle’s bloated contract. No no no. That move did a lot for the Warriors, and you could argue that the near $10 mil that it saved went to Buike, Turiaf, Monta or Beans. Plus it cleared a bench and roster spot. Accusing them of not having long term vision for something smart?
The point is it doesn’t matter. Whining about not having Foyle to trade right now is stupid. It’s like like hmmm…..there is no comparison. Between the Pacer’s trade, the buyout, and the JRich trade, the dubs got rid of all of their terrible contracts in a year’s span.
Everyone’s clamorin about a trade right now and we still haven’t seen the complete team. Fitz said it’s the least sexy option. I disagree. I’d rather see the mid level used during the offseason for someone like Gooden, or steal Odom from the over the cap Fakers like we did Turiaf.
The pop ups on this site are starting to piss me off.
Foyle was bought out before the 07-08 season, ie when the assumption was that Baron wouldn’t opt out, and that the cap space would be necessary to keep both Monta and Biedrins. Be honest – in summer of 07, when Foyle was bought out, were you really saying “Whoa guys, slow down. Baron might opt out, and then we’ll need this expiring contract so that we can rebuild the year after”? Would you have let Monta or Biedrins walk, getting nothing in return, on the off chance Foyle’s expiring contract would be useful?
And let’s say that the Warriors did manage to keep Foyle and Monta and Biedrins. Who’s out there that we could have gone after? If Raef Lafrentz didn’t get moved (and his expiring contract is amazing), and if Wally Szerbiak didn’t get moved, what makes you so sure that Foyle would have been? The biggest names that were traded were…Marion and O’Neal, I guess, but neither of them would make us that much better. Tyson Chandler was available, but if OKC didn’t take him for health reasons, that’s enough to scare me off. Amare went off the market the second Terry Porter was fired. Throwing in an expiring contract into a potential Bosh trade wouldn’t help, since the Raptors are unlikely to try and add anybody major this offseason because they want to stay under for 2010.
Superstars in their prime aren’t moved unless there are pretty severe extenuating circumstances. The Lakers, for whatever reason, decided they had to choose between Shaq and Kobe. KG wanted out of Minnesota. Chris Wallace is fucking insane. Furthermore, superstar trades are very hit-and-miss. Sure, the KG and Gasol trades worked (and remember, there were some major questions about wheter the new look Celtics would work out). But for every one of those trades, there’s an AI trade, or a Jason Kidd trade, that did not elevate his new team.
by genesic on Feb 19, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I believe the Warriors really are far away from the top 9 teams in the West.
Well, when the calls and balls bounce our way we are about top 3 and when they don’t we are probably top 8 but either way we’re not gonna win consistently till Nellie leaves and we get a coach who will play a line up like the Spurs or Lakers. The injuries this year have made our record a lot worse than it should be so we need to take advantage of that and go for lotto balls, next year we’ll probably be back to a low playoff spot and bad draft position.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 19, 2009 10:40 AM PST reply actions
Nellie leaves and we get a coach who will play a line up like the Spurs or Lakers
Will that coach BRING a line up like the Spurs or Lakers too? Nellie’s not exactly working with Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, Kobe, Gasol, Odom, are Bynum here.
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 19, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Nellie’s not exactly working with Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, Kobe, Gasol, Odom, are Bynum here.
Exactly, cause he don’t value that type of player so won’t go after them. We had Powell, coulda got Powe, ran off Boom and Jason, passed on Speights, etc. Nellie only likes to try to make the difficult to impossible work, he’s not interested in learning anything useful these days, he even bailed out of Dallas when Cuban asked for more.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 19, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
I like Powell and Powe, but let’s be clear- they aren’t among the top 50 reasons why the Celtics and Lakers are good right now.
Rowell and Cohan ran off Boom. J-Rich was ran off by Mullin to get yet a PF prospect who weighs less than the SG he moved him for and in a failed attempt to land KG. I wouldn’t hate on Nellie for passing on Speights since Mullin supposedly made the final draft calls and it’s still too early too tell.
Nellie’s not perfect, but to date I don’t think he’s ever had a championship-caliber roster. The 1994 Golden State Warriors were possibly on their way, but who knows? Nellie deserves the blame for the CWebb situation though.
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 19, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
Nellie’s not perfect, but to date I don’t think he’s ever had a championship-caliber roster.
And why is that? Cause he’s too stuck on his system of mismatches. He don’t realize that if it was so great all the other teams woulda already been using it . The problem is it requires too much energy, too much to go right, and can’t cope with the inevitable injuries, fatigue and off nights that are a normal part of the game. A bigger line up playin a steady pace has a lot better chance in the end, look at last nights game for instance.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 19, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
Yah, but we are very entertaining to watch and
the Lakers faces after the game said it all! They are very happy we aren;t the 8th seed this year.
by dungeness crabdribble on Feb 19, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
last nights game? well it would help if our best big was playing. Then your point might be valid.
But missing Beans we had only one option. SMALL BALL! and it almost worked. Scared the crap out of the Lakers!
by dungeness crabdribble on Feb 19, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
well it would help if our best big was playing. Then your point might be valid.
Yeah but remember they are missing their center Bynum so we didn’t see their A game either.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 19, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
Just a question
How long have you been a Warriors fan?
I think around year 12 or 13 the joy for “moral victories” against the LA Lakers really goes away. Trust me the lakers were not the least bit “scared”. I don’t think they even cared. They knew they could mess around for 3.5 quarters then win it easy at the end.
By the way- the Warriors D with Biedrins out and Turiaf in is a huge improvement. Nellie doesn’t seem to think there’s that much a drop off with Biedrins out and Turiaf in either.
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 19, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
Atma, you have truley become the Ray Ratto of GSOM. Incapable of writing anything positive about a sport and team you supposedly love. We get it, We Believe is dead and you were a part of it. We all had fun and it sucks that this year has been such a disappointment, but damn. Now attacking another GSOM member’s fanhood because they actually enjoyed last night game. You really should start up your own blog to post your manifesto on how Rowell and Cohan have ruined your life.
I agree with dungeness, I enjoyed last night game.
by KeepRunnin on Feb 19, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Don’t get me wrong- it was a good (predictable) game, but let’s not get carried away. The Lakers weren’t “scared”.
I (or anyone) is not obligated to meet some “positive” quota about their favorite team. This team continually sucks and is poorly run precisely because of the fans continue to support the suck to no end. If no one says anything especially with a local and national media that’s particularly soft on the Warriors (except for Nellie who’s oddly public enemy #1, despite being the sharpest and most accomplished person working for the Warriors by far), this team will continue to be in the same spot years from now.
Golden State Warriors = LA Clippers North
(or is it LA Clippers = Golden State Warriors South?)
The goal isn’t to attack anyone’s fanhood. It’s a game for entertainment- folks have their own ways they like to spend their free time. “Ra-ra” homerism for this team just ain’t doing it for me, but it’s fine if others are down for that. I just think that’s a big part of the problem.
Incapable of writing anything positive about a sport and team you supposedly love.
That’s a gross misreading. Flip back through the archives.
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 19, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
Ouch!
That may be even harsher than the time I compared Atma Bro to Sarah Palin. ;-)
Ironic thing is, back in the pre-We Believe days, being forced to read Ratto and his constant, mailed-in snideness about the Ws (not to mention his annoyingly overblown prose) was one of the things that first drove me to this site.
On his worst day, AB1 >>>>> Ray Ratto. And a lot handsomer.
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 19, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
That may be even harsher than the time I compared Atma Bro to Sarah Palin. ;-)
Haha seriously man. That one hurt. That might be the single most insulting thing you can say to a crazy green voting leftist who acts like he grew up in the 60’s instead of the 80’s/90’s.
On his worst day, AB1 >>>>> Ray Ratto. And a lot handsomer.
Damn straight!
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 19, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
Nellie leaves and we get a coach who will play a line up like the Spurs or Lakers
Like the Suns tried to do with Terry Porter? I don’t want our athletic team trying to play half-court all the time.
And doesn’t Nellie get some credit for Randolph’s big game last night? The tough love might have worked after all.
by Chilefornian on Feb 19, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
To put it flatly, NO
WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...
by JustSomeName on Feb 19, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
Stick with this roster
It took this team a really long time to gel, but since the W’s have gotten healthier the chemistry has significantly improved. Trading away young talent for a big name vet wouldn’t make sense at this point — it would throw off the balance that we’ve been working towards. When we look back on this year we’ll notice that some players emerged — MB, BW, AR — who will be a big part of this team’s future. Don’t throw it all away.
Starting 5 of the future
Ellis, Marco, AR, Wright, Beans with Crawford Jackson and Maggs off the bench!
WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...
by JustSomeName on Feb 19, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
Is AR a 3?
I rather have buike play 3 honestly – his 3pt skills would stretch out the D for marco/monta to do their thing. AR/bw would share the 4 (foul trouble and all).
Read my mind (almost)
I love the MB/ME backcourt (no true point, but complementary body size and skills) and I love the idea of a frontcourt with AR, BW, AB — just imagine the wingspan. But will AR develop the shooting range to play 3? I’m totally pro-AR, but his jumper is a weekness
by Chilefornian on Feb 19, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
i think wright needs to be moved......
AR though offensively limited currently is more a fit at 4 in our system than 3…… dunno if theyre r any teams who r high on wrights potential, but i wouldnt mind moving him. Its a little wishful to think he’ll develop into a shooter that u need at the 3 in nellieball.
also 2 project players at same position isnt desireable. IF possible i’d move wright +crawford for a true point guard (Deron williams is nice) but that wont happen lol
PLEASE BRING BARON BACK
crawford + mwill
or
maggs + mwill
toss in cj if need be….PLEASE!!!
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Knicks trades
NY got Larry Hughes and Chris Wilcox in separate deals, according to ESPN’s Trade Talk Roundup.
Knicks 2010
Lebron/kobe
The 2 can beat any team.
how cool would that be
if the knicks had no one under contract in 2010 and started from scratch building exactly the team they want. First half of the season might be hell trying to gel, but 2011 could be incredible
by warriorsvictim on Feb 19, 2009 11:34 AM PST reply actions
dubs are fine. as long as they’re healthy they will be a playoff team next year. look at how much better we’ve been the last 12ish games? and this is with a 60% monta ellis, no beans for half the games, no Wright, no Marco till last night… and we still are competing with the best night in night out.
no need to change this team. everyone is locked for the next few years (except cj) but with marco back, even cj will play less. bayareascores . com
With all these expiring contracts
A lot of decent free agents in a bad economy – smaller contracts in 2010 for them.
hypocrit much?
you say “if only the warriors brass had shown some long term goals and patience”
but then you want them to make big trades at the trading deadline with our young players??
fakerrrrr
Um no
I don’t believe in this young core. If you do, that’s fine. A lot of people were yelling at Nellie for not playing Ike and POB. He didn’t show any patience with them (neither did I with POB) and he saved the Warriors time. “Developing” POB and Ike were not good long term goals. I have my doubts about this current mismatched roster with so many holes as well.
Remember that even if Randolph, Wright, Belinelli, etc end up being good enough it’s not like Cohan and company are going to keep them all. They’re going to cite the same cost cutting that they did when they broke We Believe. History repeats itself. At this current moment even Monta’s deal is arguably very voidable in Rowell and Cohan’s eyes.
Keeping a big expiring deal for trade bait is a proven strategy for success in this league. If the Warriors offered the Suns a $9 million dollar expiring contract to get under the lux tax chances are Amare would be on the Warriors.
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 19, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
chances
are not likely. Why would the suns help a divison rival fill a hole. When they could just as easily trade for Raef’s contract up in Portland and possibly even landing Lamarcus Aldrige
Same reason the Grizz traded Gasol to a Western Conference team
To “save” money. But I may have overstated that Foyle’s contract would necessarily bring Amare or Bosh- nothing’s a guarantee. It’s just a valuable trading piece with a precedent.
And the Warriors are no one’s “rival”. You think Suns or Lakers fans consider the Warriors a hated rival? How big of a rivalry can you have with a sorry team that hasn’t made the playoffs ONCE in 14 years?
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 19, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
really? So looking at all the trades that went down
I do not see a game changer anywhere! The fact that we didn;t have an expiring contract cost us nothing! NO ONE got anything worth while.
by dungeness crabdribble on Feb 19, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
RE: Unfortunately it looks like the Warriors did nothing. Absolutely nothing.
If the front office is truly full of morons, as is so often stated here, we should be glad they did nothing.
Doing something that does not make the team better is much worse than doing nothing. Making a move just to make a move is irrational.
It’s completely the front office’s fault that they have no good offers because they stockpiled talent that nobody else wants at the coptract price the Warriors signed or aquired them at.
But I don’t see why it’s unfortunate that they didnt make the situation worse by doing “something”. Unless that “something” involved selling the team to a magic warthog that poops gold bricks wrapped in 1st round draft choices and TPEs.
Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Feb 19, 2009 1:36 PM PST reply actions
You’re right that making a move just to make a move is irrational. No question.
But if the front office thinks this roster is good enough or anyone on it is untouchable, then they’re not very bright. On the flip side it’s a cause for concern if they’re putting out all their cards and no one’s biting.
I somewhat think they needed to do something though. Either get substantially better (my hope) or substantially worse. This 9th-10th place in the West while being in locked in to several players with tough to move contracts is a path to nowhere.
I do expect things to be better if/ when Mullin’s out of the front office and Rowell realizes he has no business making basketball decisions. I’ll bet Nelson and Riley can clean up this mess if Cohan and Rowell don’t meddle. It could take awhile though.
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 19, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
Atma...
I don’t think Foyle’s contract is available to be trade, because we bought him out. Here are the trade rules from NBPA (Nation Basketball Players Association):
http://www.nbpa.com/cba_articles/article-VII_8.php
I think Foyle fails under section A:
(a) A Team shall not be permitted to receive in connection with any trade, directly or indirectly, more than $3 million in cash or other compensation, including cash or other compensation received as reimbursement for Compensation obligations to players who the Team is acquiring. For purposes of this Section 8(a), if a Contract is signed and then traded pursuant to Section 8(e)(1) below, and the Contract contains a signing bonus, the payment of all or any portion of such bonus by the Team that signed the Contract shall be treated as a reimbursement of a Compensation obligation of the assignee Team and shall be subject to this Section 8(a).
I believe his 6 million dollar cap figure (source: hoopshype.com) could count as cash and since it’s over 3 million dollar would thus not be eligible to be traded. If Foyle was still on the team and if a buyout wasn’t not made with deferred payments against the cap then we probably would have had an asset to trade.
A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.
Sorry if I wasn’t clear. I know the Warriors didn’t have him available to trade this season. That’s exactly what’s so frustrating about it.
The Warriors should have never bought him out. I thought it was a dumb short sighted move back then and I think it’s even dumber now given the current financial climate and most smaller market teams making moves motivated purely by cutting costs, not basketball or putting out a quality product.
Buyouts of big contracts accomplish nothing. Keeping them as expiring deals has the potential for a HUGE payoff.
And as you astutely pointed out, the Warriors never “corrected” Mullin’s laughable and silly Foyle contract. It was a 6 million dollar hit on their cap this season.
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 19, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
You have to admit
No one saw this economy coming. But yeah, an expiring contract could have been potentially useful – not sure if we would have gotten anything good in return.
Foyle was probably bought out for the roster spot – not that we used that spot well (mwill, really? Kurz/davidson are cheap at least)
I’m not going to claim I saw this economy coming, but I am going to claim that ANYONE could’ve seen that a large expiring contract would be useful. Even when the economy was good those were valuable.
The odds aren’t in your favor that opening up a roster spot for a 12th man are going to even buy you a single win. Did it really matter that Kosta Perovic (one of the dumbest signings of Mullin’s tenure) was riding the pine instead of Foyle?
Actually it did. The “We Want Foyle!” chants were a Roaracle staple. Sadly, “We Want Zero Threat Position!” never really took off.
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 19, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
No one saw this economy coming
50% of the population saw this coming, cause there’s two sides to any deal, a buyer and a seller. The guys selling houses and stocks at the top knew exactly what was coming.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 19, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
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Big Move When They Can
The Warriors need a franchise player and from the rumors that float around them, it seems they know it. And they have to make the move for that player when they can. That it would be made at the trading deadline wasn’t likely. It seems to me they are looking for a Garnett, a Bosh, or an Amare because anything short of them might make them a marginal playoff team but not one with much of a future. If they are able to make the trade for the big player, they will have to give away a lot.
Atma: Give us something to root for...
If the dubs go at least 17 – 10 over the next 27 games….
Will you throw in the towel as moderator on this site?
If it turns out that this team is much better then you were able to envision, then please have some integrity, acknowledge that your cynicism has grown way out of proportion with reality & then hang it up for awhile.
"To be a great champion you must believe you are the best. If you're not, pretend you are." - Muhammad Ali
That makes a lot of sense (?)
Because I don’t write stuff you agree with I should stop writing? Sounds like a very odd request to censor one of the guys who founded this community.
I predicted 30 wins at the begging of the season in a post where you oddly left essentially spam in the comments without even dropping your own W-L prediction. 17-10 would make this a 36 win season. Would my projection really be that off? The team still sucked and missed the playoffs.
Should we ban commenters who projected win totals that missed the spot as well? No because that would be silly.
Have Warriors fans sunk so low that they find that and missing the playoffs 14 of the last 15 years not worthy of critical analysis?
Dubs Wise: Give us something to root for… post an interesting comment/ FanPost/ FanShot or two…
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 19, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
+1
Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Feb 19, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
Your attitude is the issue Brother Clueless...
Not your ability to project wins with decent accuracy or whether or not I agree with you.
I threw out this petty challenge because if the team pulls off a respectable 2nd half of the season then maybe you would suck it up and realize your hating game is tired & that there is actually reason to be optimistic…
Which would mean there’s no more need for your over the top cynicism on this site anymore. And you’ve shown time & time again that cynicism in large doses is all you got.
By the way… i didn’t request that anyone else ban you, i requested that you have the courtesy to ban yourself. You already did it once in a rediculoulsy glorified way, in case anyone else has forgotten:
There’s nothing more I can really ask for, which means it’s time for me to move on. My 1065th post on GSoM is my last.
I’m just requesting that if you’re wrong & that we actually don’t “have suck” by year’s end, as proof of a decent 2nd half record, then you actually have the integrity to follow through with your swan song…
"To be a great champion you must believe you are the best. If you're not, pretend you are." - Muhammad Ali
That's pretty cowardly
Instead of having a decent discussion and challenging someone else’s viewpoints by offering some interesting opposing takes (rather than continually whining), you’re requesting that they simply leave?
Your appeal to “integrity” is over the top. This is a hobby. Circumstances opened up where I could commit to this hobby and it was fun again.
We’re all waiting for you to live up the second word in your screen name instead of being Dubs Whiner. Let’s see what you got.
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 20, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
We’re all waiting for you to live up the second word in your screen name instead of being Dubs Whiner. Let’s see what you got.
and keep in mind the bar is set pretty low.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 20, 2009 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
+1
Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Feb 19, 2009 5:33 PM PST reply actions
Sorry. That was meant to go elsewhere. Disregard!
Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Feb 19, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
I'm just glad that AR and Belinelli are still on the team
also Beans and Monta. We can’t make any trades if we are not giving any of these players up. All we have to do now is develop and be a little patient. I’m fine waiting 2-3 years, if we have not made progress by then with our team, then we need big trades
I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck
I sooo agree
It’s not the time to make any trades when we don’t even know how great the Warriors can be when they are healthy. The ones I don’t want to get rid of especially is Kelenna, Marco, Andris, Morrow and Randolph.
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by girltothemax on Feb 19, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
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