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by GoldenStateDubtronic on Feb 19, 2009 2:27 PM PST
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PrintI was on my way into work this morning and I heard the radio host on 1050 AM talking about how it's important for local media outlets to be critical of the local sports franchises in order for them to improve from year to year and hold the front offices accountable. I only heard the end of what he was saying, but I couldn't help but think of the Warriors.
Aside from fan posts on sites like this, the Warriors don't ever really receive criticism from the local media outlets like KNBR. The morning hosts (Murph and Mac) don't really seem like they know much about basketball, Radnich barely talks sports half the time, Fitz is too much of a homer and overly optimistic about the future of this team (even though the future is what we always seem to hang our hats on year after year after year after year...), the razor and Mr T. are too friendly with Nellie and the razor is only critical of the Giants and the Niners.
The Warriors are consistently in the background behind the Niners and Giants in the Bay Area and they often skate by without much criticism. We always hope for the future, which is fine, but the radio host had a great point that teams in Boston and New York are always relevant and good teams because their media outlets are not afraid to criticize the local teams and ownership responds.
I love the Dubs and I just hope one day we can be relevant again. Our We Believe era is looking kind of ridiculous when you think about it because it was one fluke year. We were relevant for one season. After years of failing to do anything, we had one great year (which we won one round!?). We need to be in the playoffs consistently. The ownership skates by because we love the Dubs and we're great fans who show support.
We need the likes of KNBR to step up and call it like it is. Call out the ownership more often and put some pressure on the Cohan and Co. to make us a team who's relevant in the NBA.
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D. Bruce
I forgot D. Bruce. He calls it like it is about the Dubs, but he’s on too late for people to listen.
by GoldenStateDubtronic on Feb 19, 2009 2:48 PM PST reply actions
yah he is legit, and fun to listen too.
He gets to field all the calls from the angry drunks.
by Nuck Chorris on Feb 19, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I think Damon Bruce is the most knowledgeable of the personalities on KNBR. A part of the reason for that is because he tells it like it is.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 19, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
wow
I think Damon Bruce is the most knowledgeable of the personalities on KNBR
that might be the most damning indictment of KNBR I’ve ever heard.
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
Bruce is a Moron. Are you people who like him serious, and did you actually graduate high school?
Adoptive Parent of Francisco Peguero. He can throw, he can run, he can hit(fastballs), and he's Dominican. What else do you need to know?
by haverecords on Feb 19, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, I’m serious.
No, I am in the process of it right now. I’m a junior with a 3.8 GPA.
I guess that we all have our opinions.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 19, 2009 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
I am in the process of it right now. I’m a junior with a 3.8 GPA.
Haha, that explains it. Those .2 points are the most important ones.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 20, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
yea I'm with you
I cant stand him….soooooo annoying.
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
I dont think he is the most knowledgeable by any means,
but he can be entertaining in spurts for me….
We will probably need to be patient and let this season play out.
-warriorsvictim
by warriorsscore110 on Feb 20, 2009 8:17 AM PST up reply actions
It’s something far, far short of just not being knowledgeable. He gets facts straight up wrong on a fairly regular basis. He’s not very good, but his producer who should be checking the stuff for him is incompetent.
Indeed. He sounds like a drunk fan on BART after a game, with slightly more coherence, and no less grasp on reality.
Adoptive Parent of Francisco Peguero. He can throw, he can run, he can hit(fastballs), and he's Dominican. What else do you need to know?
by haverecords on Feb 21, 2009 12:43 AM PST up reply actions
correction
‘as little grasp on reality, not ’no less’.
Adoptive Parent of Francisco Peguero. He can throw, he can run, he can hit(fastballs), and he's Dominican. What else do you need to know?
by haverecords on Feb 21, 2009 12:44 AM PST up reply actions
I really agree with what you've said.
However, Cohan and Rowell are well known for being all too heavy handed with their staff and the media.
Anytime someone presses them too hard they pull down the iron curtain to wait it out or they just say “eff it we’ll tell lies.” Neither of which is a surprise.
You have to remember that were talking about Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell here.
Cohan got booed at home, during the all-star game, in front of his kid.
Then, he RAN away from a reporter with his wife in his own arena rather than provide the usual “no comment.”
Not to mention that Cohan got his truck stolen from his driveway the day it was announced they traded Webber.
Then says Rowell, “I don’t think about the popularity of decisions I have to make.” (Not an exact quote, but close enough)
Cohan and Rowell don’t give a #### what the media thinks.
The seats will stay full since CSN has to air all the sweet deals (8 dollar tix) that make second class citizens out of season ticket holders.
David Stern should really find a way to clean house of bad owners. I mean seriously, when does an owner lose?
Nice post.
by Nuck Chorris on Feb 19, 2009 2:55 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
D. Stern
I like your idea of D. Stern cleaning house of bad owners who consistently fail in improving their teams. Maybe they could come up w/ some time frame, like if you’re no good for 5+ seasons for example then Stern steps in w/ a consulting team from the NBA to assist with management and team decisions.
by GoldenStateDubtronic on Feb 19, 2009 3:13 PM PST reply actions
Maybe let season ticket holders with 5+ seasons of seniority vote to keep the owner or put the team up for sale every 5 or so years.
If the owner fails to garner approval from a certain percentage of these patrons then they are forced to put the team up for sale in an auction-style format.
Season Ticket Holders are the ones with the biggest personal investment in the team (I’m not going to start the “monetary investment” debate again). That said, the NBA needs realize and address these quality assurance issues.
by Nuck Chorris on Feb 19, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
Stern steps in w/ a consulting team from the NBA to assist with management and team decisions
It worked with the auto industry, right. Glad to see that socialism has its place in the NBA too, its sweeping the nation.
by VigilanteSteve on Feb 21, 2009 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
the local media has been grilling this team all year
when tim kawakami started commentating people started hating.
matt steinmetz has also been critical.
marcus thompson is sometimes critical but not too much.
janny hu doesn’t really comment.
I think you missed your mark there.
“the local media has been grilling this team all year”
I don’t really agree. Cohan and Rowell have gotten off easy.
“when tim kawakami started commentating people started hating.”
Yes, but he used ridiculous claims and win/loss predictions that have had him back peddling the entire second half of the season.
“matt steinmetz has also been critical.”
Only at times. His enthusiasm and involvement has waned significantly in the latter half of the season. He has missed several opportunities to hold Cohan and Rowell’s feet to the fire. Maybe he has some life issues or something (maybe the CSN deal is keeping him away from the blog), but he is keeping the franchise at arms length for some reason. I would put my money on Steinmetz not wanting to hurt his relationship with players and staff (which is probably the best of the reporters). I often get the feeling that Steinmetz knows the inside scoop, but there is something in him holding him back. Probably because he saw what jumping at the bait has done to TK.
“marcus thompson is sometimes critical but not too much.”
Not nearly enough, and he’d never get his hands dirty by digging up old dirt. Too bad since that is the only way that we believe bandwagoners will learn the team’s dismal history under Cohan. Besides, his analysis tends to be more player/chemistry oriented rather than front/back office.
“janny hu doesn’t really comment.”
No, and that is really sad considering she gets the biggest readership of all the writers (I presume since she gets a lot of paper print). I have a really hard time getting a handle on Hu. She’ll get some really great interviews, but I have seen her and Ratto poach articles from fan websites (content the same, structure different) about a week after these writeups had been posted. Janny knows how to work the game, but she doesn’t always have her head in it. Besides I imagine there is a lot of politicking around the Chronicle/SfGate office.
I also wonder if there was any fallout from the SF gate/chronicle article that just burned Cohan to a crisp in 2002.
by Nuck Chorris on Feb 19, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
I dont look too much into that
Gary St. Jean ruined this team. Robert Rowell is cleaning up the contract mess that Mullin created which can set teams back for years.
I dont see the issue.
Tim Kawakami is a sports reporter who worked with Skip Bayless. You are who you rolled with. Skip is contraversial king, therefor Slim Tim will always write what they are NOT doing versus what they are doing.
If you know basketball, just watch the game, and I dont see how you cannot be proud of the fact that we have 19 wins, with our superstar out for almost the entire season, our star center out right now, and a NUMBER of other injuries. Did I mention we play in one of the toughest divisions in all of the NBA? I mean Phoenix, Lakers…….not to mention the rest of the Western Conference.
Again, Seattle did this same thing, unhappy with their hometown owner, he got pissed, sold the team. Oklahoma guy bought it, and see ya bye bye team in OKC.
People complained etc.. but look 1 year later you think ANYONE cares? Nope. Forgotten in the past is Seattle. Trust me with this economy that can happen here in a flash.
I respectfully disagree... about the Seattle situation
First off, I was a dead hard Sonics fan (grew up in the 206) and the fans weren’t unhappy with their hometown owner. Hell, Howard Schultz owes fucking STARBUCK!!! And people in Seattle tend to love starbucks, hell some even take pride in there local brand having gone global. As far was what undid the Sonics it wasn’t as black and white as you depicted.
1) They had one of the worst stadium leases in all of professional sports (sign prior to Schultz under Barry Ackerley’s reign). The lease required that 50% of the tickets sales and any revenue generated by the stadium be paid to the city to payoff of the 1994 remodel. That was fine when they signed the lease, but after lockout in 98-99 season the lease started hurting the team due to the new revenue sharing rules. After the lockout he only way the Sonics would make money in a season would be if they got to the 2nd round of the playoff in that particular season.
2) Schultz alleges that he had an agreement with Bennett that they wouldn’t move to OKC until the 2010-11 season and another hand shake agreement that if Bennett were to secure a stadium in Seattle or the greater Seattle area that they’d sell the team back to him.
3) Sonics were in no way like the Warriors. They didn’t run their great players out of town.
4) Seattle isn’t forgotten in the past: www.sonicscentral.com and www.supersonicsoul.com are active fan blogs. The fans in the 206 haven’t give up and are hoping a team like New Orleans goes bankrupt so that they can bring a franchise back to Seattle.
In short, I do not agree with your assessment of the Seattle situation.
A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.
Good Post.
I just think I was being broad, but with this economy I cant help but think there are prey, and there are vultures.
In short, I do not agree with your assessment of the Seattle situation.
IIRC the Seattle fans got screwed by the NBA and their own town, they had an agreement that was broken by Bennet, all they had to do was fight him in court and the Sonics would still be there but the city caved in?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 20, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
complacency
it’s exactly this type of complacency and optimism for the future that the Warriors get by without little criticism. Monta is a really good young player, but “superstar,” come on..? Superstars are LeBron, Kobe, Dwight Howard. Monta has the potential to be really, really good, but I disagree with “Superstar.” And Biedrins as our “star center” ? His game is limited. Yes, he’s young and has a bright future if he can develop beyond a pick and roll center who’s only buckets come off of little layups and put back dunks. His rebounding numbers are a bit inflated since he’s the only one who rebounds on this team.
I don’t even know what you’re talking about w/ Seattle, so no comment there..
We need constant criticism to be shelled out on the radio to the warriors ownership group. We can’t have the only one who talks about the Dubs (Fitz) talk about them because he’s a company guy who works for the Dubs and doesn’t want to burn bridges or upset those in the organization. I do like listening to his show with Rod because they talk Dubs basketball but they do so with a slanted viewpoint.
by GoldenStateDubtronic on Feb 20, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
The Warriors are a private corporation
They dont care what the media says because fans keep buying tickets and the t.v. ratings/revenue are good for a bad team.
There is no shareholder pressure like you would have with a public company who is making bad decisions. I like the amount of criticism and analysis I hear from the local media just fine. There is no reason to constantly blast the team or organizaiton, it would get boring really quick
by warriorsvictim on Feb 20, 2009 11:17 AM PST reply actions
"no reason to blast the team" ?!?!
ok. you must be satisfied with an irrelevant NBA team then and you must not be a season-ticket holder who spends hundreds a year on a poor product.
your name “warriorsvictim” = hypocrisy.
by GoldenStateDubtronic on Feb 20, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Well, that is how it is here in america, the order of sports are:
Football
Baseball
Basketball
I’m not surprised if the Warriors do not get much criticism from the local media, as more people like Football than basketball…in general. to me though, basketball is first
I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck
tolbert is pretty fair with the warriors. He doesnt claim theyre good. He says they have good players but they all play the SAME position. Pretty to the point. Just because he doesnt hurl nellie under a bus doesn’t make him wrong.
barnett is the best though. Love him during the games and his pent up anger towards some of nellie’s coaching flaws (defense)
The media are fair with the Warriors
Do you seriously want a 60 minutes style interview every day with the Warriors? I dont regardless of how disappointed I can get with them at times. That gets old quick and I just turn off the radio. Do you really think they want to push listeners/viewers away?
Tolbert and Fitz are pretty good about being honest about the situation. Radnich just tries to ignore them at this point. Bruce is truthful.
The tv folks just cover the games and move on which I dont like. They could be more critical, but that is true of almost all of our local news which basically sucks right now.
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