Nelson Props & Warning:
Nelson has a brand of basketball that’s exciting and seems to get players and mold them into his system, the players seem to love the liberty of the up and down game and the excitement of the fast pace, and because it demands such energy on offence by pushing the ball there is a lack on defense, also its hard to find players that can play both ends of the court in that style of play: and since it is such a fast pace it’s hard to find big men that can adapt to it, they need to be athletic and willing to run and play on both ends of the court, I believe this is why we wind up with so many long and lean players that have good offensive potential but lack muscle and the power game, that kind of a combo player don’t come along often, the last time we had him Nellie lost him by a personality clash, Webber was the perfect fit for Nellie ball, big strong and fast, great hands and able to push the ball up and fair on defense and rebounding; so what we have with Nelson is a philosophy he brings with him that he goes by like the bible, he don’t know how to coach any different, this is what is ingrained in him and he is lost trying to coach any other way:
In the run TMC era Nellie ball was at its best, good outside shooting with Mully an off guard who could go to the hoop, spot up or pass, with Hardaway the little bald Barkely at the helm, along with the Oscar Robinson potential of Mitch R, but Nellie wasn’t satisfied yet, he lusted for the bigger athletic guy that could add size to his line up and ended up trading away Mitch Richmond who went on to greatness for Billy Owens who was being touted as the next Magic Johnson, he was 6’9 a good rebounder and good ball handler, but he was no Mitch Richmond, and ironically as it turned out Owens was brought back years later after his departure from the W’s to play alongside of rookie sensation CWebb, along with Spree and Avery Johnson, they because the best fast break team since the Lakers in their hay day with the Magic man: Billy grabbing rebounds and pushing the ball up court with CWebb and spree, Mully had been hurt if I recall in the exhibition opener against the Sonics in CWebbs debut, I think he split his fingers apart, I was sitting three rows behind the Warriors bench in that game and seen how in awe and almost unbelief the other Warriors were of getting CWebb and seeing him do his thing on the court, Nelson pulled one of the best Con’s on draft day ever, he pretended he wanted the 7’5 Shawn Bradley when the whole time he was lusting for CWebb, and through a series of moves on draft day landed Webber: to bad it was so short lived, he was the missing link to Nellie ball and was the one man that could have given Nelson a chance for the coveted ring and since his departure has never been able to replace what he brought to the table for his system for the W’s.
I said that to get to this, we know what Nelson is trying to do and what his idea of B ball is all about, but it takes a certain style of player to make it work, so the question is does he have the pieces to make his style of play successful, and the answer is yes with a minor adjustment here and there, but up and down the line up he has a good mix of players who fit the mold, but to make it work he needs a big man or two that can adapt to the up and style and still have enough gas in the tank to grab rebounds and play some D, Beans is one, and I for one think AR may be the missing link for Nellie ball, his athleticism and handles along with his ability to get to the ball on both the offenses and defense makes him unique, what he lacks right now in weight he seems to make up with speed and good tendon strength, he’s lean but strong, good shoulders and upper body, he will develop over the next couple years and put on another 15 to 20 lb’s or so and at 225-235 with his size and speed he will be a perfect fit for this system so Nelson needs to realize that he’s not expendable and devote his time to developing this diamond in the rough, what he brings to the table is a rare mix of size, speed, athleticism, ball handling, rebounding and beyond that a desire to be a winner and reach his potential, the youngest player in the NBA with one of the biggest upsides in the league: but he’s a highly emotional player who needs to brought along with a lot of TLC, does Don have that in him? that’s the question: if not we need to find another coach who will follow the general Nellie ball concept who can nurture some of these young players along without browbeating and humiliating them into submission: Marco has huge potential, BWright if he can get stronger would fit well, and along with the rest of the vets and cast of young guys in two years it looks like the W’s will be knocking at the door for years to come, if there is a steal out there for a dynamic player that fits our system let it not be at the expense of breaking up the chemistry of what we have already, because over the years it hasn’t worked for us: I think the best trade this season was the NO TRADE:
So after much analysis and decades of experience at watching this picture unfold, I think the good outweighs the bad with Nellie, but he is a man who needs either a wise owner or a very smart GM who can gently oversee his basketball genius and not let him shoot himself in the foot when he is on the prefaces of building a real contender: I hope he reads this and takes it to heart;
Da Grump
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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i just scrolled to the bottom to leave a comment.
I like tacos.
I am Greg Oden, i am goingz to be trade to The Warrior. hoooray.
Warriors for life. Raiders till death. And The A's when i get free tickets.
by STIX on Feb 19, 2009 4:31 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Turtles.
"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald
by WarriorForLife on Feb 19, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like lamp
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 20, 2009 8:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
haha!!!!!!!!!!!
that is so funny! he just randomly says he likes turtles
by GSW Fan on Feb 20, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
alot
I am Greg Oden, i am goingz to be trade to The Warrior. hoooray.
Warriors for life. Raiders till death. And The A's when i get free tickets.
by STIX on Feb 19, 2009 4:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Er OK.....however
The old fart still manages to watch an opposing coach completely change his system to combat us and we do nothing…….not a thing.
When its clear to 20,000 people that STACK has run out of steam at the start of the 4th and Monta couldnt hit the field if he was stood at the gate……..yet good ole Nellie cannot see it and chooses to leave them in the game!!!!!!………maybe he is not quite the “doyenne” he used to be??
Woooohooooo for Nellieball……way to go coach!
It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!
by BritWarriorGSW on Feb 19, 2009 5:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Woooohooooo for Nellieball……way to go coach!
we proved we can play with the league’s premier team AND we didnt hurt our draft odds. So yes, woooooohoooooo!
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
by sam23 on Feb 19, 2009 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
We’re inching closer and closer to drafting Blake Griffin. Maybe Nellie’s really smarter than we think?
by YaHeard on Feb 19, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah thats probably it, nelsons smart and is just so patient that he'll put off his all time win record for the good of the team
TO GET A ROOKIE BIG MAN!!!!!!!!!!! ugh
by 123707THIZZ on Feb 19, 2009 7:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Guess what....
We actually BEAT the leagues previous leading team….whats more important is the fact that we COULD and SHOULD have beaten LA but for the coach…. so no I dont agree with you at all.
When you lead an entire game and it collapses in the end through tired legs and no changes to counteract the other team, that is aterrible coaching, I dont care who you are.
I am also getting tired of people stating that this might have ben done to help our draft odds….??? If you THINK you know this coach so well, what makes you think he will play any star new rookie we get? Have any of you seen wha Nellie does with Rookies??? AR is possibly the only exception to the norma Nellie rule!
It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!
by BritWarriorGSW on Feb 20, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brit
What you’re not taking into consideration is the fact that we were good enough to even have a chance to beat these teams; some credit has to go to the coach if you want to make him the scapegoat for everything else: Don admitted last night on the roundtable he overplayed his hand, but the fact that the team is starting to gel and play very good B Ball is a credit to Don: he’s not perfect but he’s a very good coach, he has always provided an exciting product, we could have Mike back, or Muscles, or CJ, or big red from Boston =) I think we may be one piece and two years away from being in contention, the landscape is going to change over the next two years and if the W’s stay together and build on what they have and get lucky on a free agent we could be a very good exciting team for years to come: we couldn’t even see daylight until Don got here, so let’s not get to down on the old guy ;)
by ForestGrump on Feb 20, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
and he’s also not taking into account the fact that his perception of Nellie and rookies is totally false. Which we have been over and over and over again on this site, but still the Nellie haters refuse to believe Nellie will play rookies who earn playing time.
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
by sam23 on Feb 20, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't understand what this means
he seems to make up with speed and good tendon strength
What does good tendon strength get you, except maybe a reduced injury liability? Maybe you mean “Bruce Lee style, good lean muscle” or “great ‘fast twitch’ muscles”… or maybe you’re just over my head with your medical knowledge :-P.
he’s a highly emotional player who needs to brought along with a lot of TLC
I’m sorry, but this is the NBA. If he needs TLC, he’s got a long way to go. The way I see it, he’s been given TLC & had smoke blown up his behind by everybody since he showed any basketball talent. What he needs is disciplined teacher to show him how hard he needs to work to get where he wants. He certainly has the drive and passion, he just needs to be able to direct it properly. We’ll see if he can get there, right now he kinda looks like that big puppy running around during the puppy bowl (on Animal Planet during the Super Bowl… we switched at halftime). He’s got so much excitement that he doesn’t know what to do with it all. He’ll learn. But he needs to be taught, not coddled.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 20, 2009 8:17 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
What does good tendon strength get you, except maybe a reduced injury liability?
Haha, it’s stick men muscle!! Yeah, Rudolf will keep puppyfucking guys till someone knocks him on his ass then he’ll understand what it takes to stay in the NBA. Did you see that look of WTF dude?, then a big sigh Kobe gave him when Rudolf jumped in front of him last game? Priceless!!
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 20, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree about the Randolph assessment...
It’s the only way to break bad habits (poor shot selection, turnovers, excessive dribbling).
by Mr. Monday Night on Feb 20, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dubs n Boston
<<<<or maybe you’re just over my head with your medical knowledge :-P.<<<
Yes I agree with you, I’m over your head =) I see you have never been a body builder or athlete either =)
"Thinking about strength training from a different angle, it is interesting to consider the fact that muscles are attached to tendons and that connective tissue runs parallel to the muscle fibers through the muscle. This means that in many athletic movements the force is produced not just from the muscle contraction but also from a release of elastic energy from the tendon component. Therefore it is useful to think of force production as coming from a ‘muscle tendon unit’ (MTU) working as one system, whose two components may come into effect at different times."<<<<<<<
This is why you see some boxers that are not heavy muscled be able to deliver a punch with great force; it comes from both the muscle and tendons: reflexs come from both the tendon and muscle: and you can see that in AR.
Secondly, I feel sorry for your children, that is if you’re old enough to have any yet=) I believe in nurturing them and while at times one needs to be firm one also has to develop a good relationship, not just be antagonistic authority figure, a good example is how Don treated Harrington, he was way to hard on him for his temperament, you have to know the temperament of your players and use disciple in a constructive way, some players do not respond well to being treated unfairly as men, I don’t care of it’s the NBA or not, you have to guide with wisdom and not just act like a pompous jerk: having said that, I am happy right now with the results with young AR, but you better know that that was a lot of damage control being performed by the staff his family and other players. This is one of the Don’s weakness and one of the very things that causes him to shoot himself in the foot sometimes: but as I said when one weighs the good the bad and the ugly=) the good with Nellie outweighs the bad:
by ForestGrump on Feb 20, 2009 11:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the pre-Med lesson!
As for my children, none yet but I’ll certainly be a loving father. Nellie, however, is not AR’s father. He is AR’s basketball coach, and he has many other charges. It’s clear the way AR initially did whatever he wanted out there on the court, that he had never encountered an ounce of discipline in his basketball tutelage. You think your boss rides you because they hate you? You think they attained their position of authority by never learning how to motivate their subordinates? They use the tactics they do because those tactics work, not to piss you off.
I am happy right now with the results with young AR, but you better know that that was a lot of damage control being performed by the staff his family and other players.
If you’re happy with the results, then Don Nelson’s methods have done what they were intended to do so far. If somebody had to take the kid aside and say “This is how it is in the NBA, you have to earn everything, including respect. Don just expects the best of you”, so be it. I’m sure Don also called AR into his office and said something to the effect of “I’m hard on you because I see greatness in you. If you want to be the best, you have to work on it, and if you want to do it on the Warriors, I’m going to have to push you to get better every day.”
On the spat they had, Randolph himself has come out and said “There was nothing going on between us in the first place”. While that’s likely not true, everyone in the media certainly blew it way out of proportion in their efforts to sell papers/clicks and be credited for the scoop. Frankly, I think that was pushed more his “handlers” than anything. They wanted things to be moving faster so they could move into a bigger house, drive fancier cars, etc. But that’s just my take on the matter. We’ll see how it plays out.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 20, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry Sloan is tough on his players...
As is Poppovich and Jackson. If a player doesn’t like the discipline, then they get traded… but these guys are making millions of dollars a year. We all have had bosses that have been jackasses in the past, but we deal with it because its a job. I don’t think most bosses would be nurturing and guide you with wisdom if you don’t meet deadlines… they get on your ass to get the work done. Harrington couldn’t handle the pressure, and we are just as successful as we would have been with him on the roster. New York hasn’t really improved with him on the roster either. He is honestly not a game changing player.
by Mr. Monday Night on Feb 20, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dubs n Boston
I like what Jim Barnett said, when he commented on live TV, that a young player like AR needs some love and nurturing, he’s close to the situation and I respect his assessment: this guy was barley 19 years old when he came into the NBA, he’s still a kid, and Don is notorious for being old school in his approach to the rooks and his players in general, I see he is mellowing with age by the way he treated BD the last few years, Don has to baby some guys egos a little bit until they get it, but the good cop bad cop seems to be working with AR so no problemo =) But it didn’t work with All Harrington, it backfired, and it didn’t work with CWebb: I recall the day they said they were going to trade CWebb , I bet I called the front office ten times, and pleaded with them to take into account what the fans thought, because to trade CWebb would destroy everything Don had built, and it did as a matter of fact, all the front office was allowed to say was CWebb was a spoiled preppy from a rich kid’s school ,yada yada, and Don was heard to have said you can’t let the nuts run the nut house, but the truth was he wasn’t hip enough for today’s multimillion player who’s been groomed since babyhood to be this mega star: frankly he blew it and it cost him his own job in the end as well as ruined what could have been many years of Warrior memories and a possible championship or two, they almost got there with Sac town and we had a much better supporting cast with Mully, Hardway, Spree, SM, Billy O, and others.
There is a fine balance between constructive criticism and outright crash humiliation, I’ve seen it up close and personal, and players don’t respond well to it in the long run, if the team is doing good they put up with it but let the team falter and it creates a lot of animosity: AH is a prime example: he didn’t wanna be Don’s whipping boy: this is why I said the best scenario for Don is to have either a very wise owner or a very smart GM who can graciously keep Don from shooting his foot of in those type of situations, outside of that I love Don as a coach: and if the GM does his job then Don won’t be tempted to make a wrong trade, but you have to value his opinion as the coach and try to get him the players he need’s to make his style of ball successful: he’s got a little genius in him, so go W’s
by ForestGrump on Feb 20, 2009 1:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Mondy
You won’t find any of those coaches belittling or feuding with their superstars to the point they trade them rather than find a way to make it work: and this is what Don did with CWebb, they couldn’t get alone for five minutes and work it out, both of their egos got in the way, and it was Don’s job as the coach and leader of the team to find a way with wisdom to figure it out and he didn’t and it cost the team unimaginable heart ache and loss. Every man has a weakness, and this is one of Don’s, he disconnects with the players sometimes, and unless he has others around him besides yes men it could cost a team everything: if you recall C Cohan was a rookie owner and he didn’t know what to do so he stood with his coach: but as I said, it all backfired and everyone, the owner, the coach, and the whole team and fans fell apart: most coaches use tender hands when dealing with their superstar, because to many run inn’s and he won’t be there and most coaches know that, this is why you never seen JS or CM, or MJ or TD on the block, they know better than to get to hard on them, face it Don blew it and therefore has to accept the consequences, which is he needs to be monitored and keep from entering into those kind of anti productive situations: the problem is neither Chris C or Chris M can demand that kind of respect from Da Don: so we have to hope that he has others around him that will watch over the damage control in those times and put the firs out before they flash:
by ForestGrump on Feb 20, 2009 2:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Anthony Randolph is no C-Webb, and C-Webb wasnt exactly the team’s superstar when he and Nellie had their feud
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
by sam23 on Feb 20, 2009 10:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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