Sign Mikki Moore
by YaHeard on Feb 19, 2009 4:54 PM PST
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The Kings just waived Mikki Moore. Warriors should sign him, here's why:
- Maybe he doesn't want to move out of his home in Northern California, and would sign with us for a discount. Something around the BAE (~$1.8mil) (if we still have it).
- Career per 36 stats: 55% FG, 8 RPG, 1 BPG, 12 PPG
- He has an adjusted +/- over the last 2 years of +0.63. A positive plus/minus for a backup big man is pretty rare.
- He's a legit 7 footer with energy and athleticism to keep up with us
- He's a 10 year vet, a big man Nelson could actually trust out there in crucial situations (so we don't have to have Maggette out there at PF)
- He would be the 5th PF/C on our depth chart, ensuring that we can almost always have 2 big men on the court regardless of injuries (unlike last night).
- We'd have some more depth and flexibility in the offseason, in case we wanted to trade a big or two for a really good player.
- He's not a waste-of-space practice body like Rob Kurz and Jamereo Davidson are. Nelson could actually give Moore minutes.
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moore would be a PERFECT fit... but
he would fit our system well. he’s tall and he bangs inside. he might be skinny but he doesn’t get pushed around. matter of fact, he usually does most of the pushing.
the thing is, he would only detract from our team. we don’t need him to take all the playing time away from randolph and wright. if we didn’t have those 2 to evaluate, moore would be perfect.
by HoLdEmUP on Feb 19, 2009 5:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Agree on everything you said. Let the young guys play and develop we don’t need more big guys taking minutes away from these 2. We already have some 3’s taking some of those minutes anyway. Plus Nelson wouldn’t put him as 5th big on the depth chart, more like 3rd or 4th because he does have more experience.
by warriOs on Feb 19, 2009 5:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dammit!
I’m still disappointed we didn’t make the trade for Chris Cilcox…He would of been our perfect asset
by skeetdanut on Feb 19, 2009 7:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wilcox is young, athletic and better than some think. Rose is done.
chad ford espn
by skeetdanut on Feb 20, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no minutes for him
once biedrins and wright are healthy theres already gonna be a log jam for mins, especially if maggette is going to be playing PF. this would just be a waste. Jermereo Davidson and Ronny Turiaf have better hair than him too.
by lowchi on Feb 19, 2009 5:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
drop kurz and get this guy!
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by LostHawk on Feb 19, 2009 5:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
kurz makes 500k
and barely plays… moore will want a midlevel. Not really worth it for a 3rd center
by tafkasam on Feb 20, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Moore will not get the midlevel from anyone for the rest of the year. No one has it to offer.
by jae on Feb 20, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
i just dont see what he brings thatwe dont have. Unless AB stays out a while…
by tafkasam on Feb 20, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He brings nothing that is worth pursuing for a rental until the end of the season. A contender will likely see about his services. Even if Biedrins is out for a while longer, this team is going nowhere this season. They’ve so totally screwed up the future cap management such that ‘internal development’ is the only real possibility to get out of their mess. It’s already a longshot strategy (how many bad teams get good simply by watching the players they have improve as a unit? Seriously, when has it happened?) and Moore on a short deal does nothing to change that.
by jae on Feb 20, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sign Reggie Hammond......
I hear Nick Nolte has stopped kicking his ass around our town and he wants to play for the Warriors……
Yes I know its sarcastic….I am just getting really tired of these sign/trade posts.
I see flashes of truly great potential with this team, anything signing wise should now wait until the summr IMO….
It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!
by BritWarriorGSW on Feb 19, 2009 5:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Sure odds are these posts and suggestions are not likely to happen…but why wait? What would we really lose if we let go Kurz or Davidson and gave Moore a shot? What if only for the rest of the season? The only potential he’s going to effect is wheather or not we get pushed from the #8 or #9 pick to the #13 or #14 pick…worth its a shot
by rtgunn on Feb 19, 2009 11:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would do this.
But who’d get cut? Davidson or Kurz?
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
mwill, please!
davidson/kurz actually get to play in garbage time!
by mosdl on Feb 19, 2009 5:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
now that the deadline has come and gone shouldnt we go ahead and waive MWill?
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
by sam23 on Feb 19, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yes we should
then we have a roster spot for dleague callups like kelenna and cj!
by HoLdEmUP on Feb 19, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Coming Soon
to Boston’s bench-Mikki Moore and Marcus Williams.
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
by sam23 on Feb 19, 2009 5:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Williams makes more money. If they cut him, they’d have to pay him more than Kurz or Davidson for nothing.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Feb 19, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Those are all sunk costs. Cutting or keeping any of them does not affect how much total they’re spending in salaries. If Williams is not going to play, keeping him because he makes more money doesn’t do them anything more than cutting Kurz or Davidson.
by jae on Feb 19, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
...But save face. a little bit.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Feb 19, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Minimal if any benefit in that. Kurz hasn’t been totally useless. I assume Davidson is mostly around to have another tall guy to practice against. I can’t think of anything Williams does other than remind everyone that he was a mistake.
Out of sight, out of mind.
by jae on Feb 19, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
between Rob Kurz and Jermario Davidson...
drop Davidson.
at least Kurz has some 3pt range and can spread tha floor.
Kurz also has decent defense and has show that he can get away with a block or two.
Davidson is our last resort big man.
yes, Davdson hasnt played much and still is unproven. but i highly doubt that hes going to be apart of the Warriors’ future.
soo why not drop him and get a proven, legit big man. Mikki Moore.
(only if tha Warriors really wanted Mikki Moore)
by AJ.Stylez on Feb 19, 2009 5:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Davidson is on the roster to give Biedrins and Turiaf a real tall guy to go up against in practice.
The only reason Moore would come here (yes, that’s the important part — where HE wants to play — ) would be if he’s accustomed to NorCal and doesn’t feel like leaving. Since I doubt he’d be in our long term plans, that doesn’t seem likely. He’ll more likely get an offer from a contender.
by jae on Feb 19, 2009 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yea
its only about 3 months, I think he’ll suck it up and live out of hotels for 3 months for a shot at a ring. Cleveland, Orlando, LA, San Antonio and Boston all seem to need another PF/C.
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
by sam23 on Feb 19, 2009 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would only pick up Moore
if we got rid of both Kurz, Jermario, and then told Moore not to expect much, but to really earn his money helping Randolph and Wright.
by Nuck Chorris on Feb 19, 2009 5:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I cant imagine
Moore prefering to sign here rather than Boston who will surely be interested.
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
by sam23 on Feb 19, 2009 5:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t you get the memo? All we have to do to get a player to come here is express interest. The only reason free agents don’t line up to sign here is because management doesn’t pursue them. If they did, We’d have a roster 12 deep with all stars (all willing to play for the MLE or vet min).
by jae on Feb 19, 2009 5:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but surely he wont want to go to leave home for 3 months just for a chance at a stupid ring, would he? Its not like a little playoff exposure or a title would do him any good when he’s looking to sign another deal this offseason.
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
by sam23 on Feb 19, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also,
our coach is notorius for using several big men to out size the other team and slow the game down, so he would probably be given an opputunity to play even as our 5th big man on the roster
We will probably need to be patient and let this season play out.
-warriorsvictim
by warriorsscore110 on Feb 19, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no mikki!
i use to rip into my cousin(Kings fan) for having this waste of space on his team. No Mikki, please!
by it's always sunny in california on Feb 19, 2009 6:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe someone who really knows salary situations around the league can shed some light on this.
Do we still hold our Bi-Annual exception? (~$1.8mil)
Do title contenders (Celtics, Lakers, Cavs, etc) still have theirs as well?
If the answer is yes, and no, then we have a legit shot at getting him. The difference between $1.8mil and the league minimum, plus the leisure of staying in NorCal, might be enough to get him.
by YaHeard on Feb 19, 2009 6:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Do we still hold our Bi-Annual exception? (~$1.8mil)
No. We had to renounce our exceptions to clear the cap space for Maggs and Turiaf. Until renounced, unused exceptions count against the cap.
My guess is that staying in NorCal is meaningless as he’d still be living out of a Bay Area hotel most of the time. If he’s got a family in Sac, it might be a tiny, tiny consideration, but it’s not really much closer to drive to Sac than to fly to Sac from LA.
by jae on Feb 19, 2009 6:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for clarifying, I guess I doubt the minimum would be enough to lure him over here over the contenders..
by YaHeard on Feb 19, 2009 6:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we can use another big
and he fits the bill, a big who wont get much playing time, won’t cost much but can suck up some fouls. Is another asset in practice for our young bigs. Plus we don’t know how long BW will be out, could be the rest of the season but yeah, he will have to want to come here.
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And I wish that I was there.
by qin on Feb 19, 2009 6:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That’s exactly what I was thinking. My basketball wet dream in life is to never see Maggette, Jackson, or Azubuike playing PF again.
by YaHeard on Feb 19, 2009 6:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
PF? Hell, I’ve seen lineups where one of those guys was nominally the center.
by jae on Feb 19, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Those are the best lineups. I remember one of the ESPN commentators last night saying something like “And your Golden State Warriors center: Stephen Jackson. Don Nelson has changed the game of basketball forever”
by YaHeard on Feb 19, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that was pretty awesome
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Feb 19, 2009 7:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no mikki moore he sucks
and he takes away minutes from randolph and right
by gswfan1 on Feb 19, 2009 7:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Or just sit on the bench the whole game
We will probably need to be patient and let this season play out.
-warriorsvictim
by warriorsscore110 on Feb 19, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
mikki moore wouldn't bring anything to this team. just another body, at practive
"so much losers" - hiero
by montamazing on Feb 20, 2009 2:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
lol
Amazing insight….. some people just dont have a clue.
by sjboy on Feb 20, 2009 8:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
HELL YES!!
This is exactly what i thought when i seen that they were going to wave him. Also, he probably has a house or condo in sac so he probably wouldn’t mind just moving out here because Sac and the Bay are so close. I hope the Warriors are making a deal right now!
Swagga on a Hundred! Thousand! Trillion!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Feb 20, 2009 9:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
P.S.
You just got Rec’d. We need to sign this guy! It’s an absolute must in my eyes!
Swagga on a Hundred! Thousand! Trillion!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Feb 20, 2009 9:17 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
pretend
for a minute that youre Mikki Moore. Now you just got waived and while youll likely get several offers to finish out the season theres certainly no guarantees that youll have any offers next year after the infusion of about 40-50 new rookies in the league eating up roster spots. Now would not leaving your Sacramento home for 3 or 4 months really be important enough to you that you’d accept the 4th or 5th big man role with a team like the Warriors who certainly wont offer you a long term deal at the end of the year no matter how well you play or would you live out of hotels for the next 3 months and sign with a team that can give you playoff exposure and allow you to market yourself as a “3rd or 4th big man on a very good playoff team” this offseason? Who knows maybe you get a ring and enhance your value even more, it happens to rotational guys every year. (see Jones, Damon) Boston, LA, Cleveland, Orlando, and San Anotonio will ALL come calling, they all need another big in the rotation. So is staying home really worth it to you?
Now pretend youre Chris Mullin or whoever is pulling the strings in the front office. Do you really want to sign a journeyman to finish out the year? Sure the team could use another big guy,but theres no guarantee that Nellie would play Moore. So in the “best” case scenario Nellie likes Moore ok and he steals minutes from the 3 young bigs. Not even just the bigs, it means Maggs plays even more at the 3 meaning Morrow, Belinelli, Buike, and CJ get their minutes squeezed too. Now what good does that do you? Are you delusional enough to think Mikki is enough to put this team in the playoffs? Do you want a free look at him so you can possibly overpay ANOTHER veteran who will block the kids? Do you want to go into next year with a Craw/Monta/Jax/Moore/Biens/Buike/Maggs rotation while Randolph, Wright, Belinelli, Morrow and a lottery pick have to scrap for whatever minutes are left? I’m not as big on most of those young guys as most GSoM’ers but even I think thats a horrible idea.
Its a bad move for both parties and it wont happen.
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by sam23 on Feb 20, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that said
I dont blame you or YaHeard for your instinctual responses to the news that a semi-decent backup big had been waived. I gotta admit my ears perked up for a second until I thought about it.
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
by sam23 on Feb 20, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sam23
you make a lot of very good points and I do see where your coming from. Just to clarify, when i said “Also, he probably has a house or condo in sac so he probably wouldn’t mind just moving out here because Sac and the Bay are so close”, I didn’t mean for that to be like the main reason why I thought we should get him. That was just a small positive, that I felt was worth pointing out, for him to consider if he were to sign here. But I’ve always liked what Mikki Moore could do as a basketball player. He’s a tall, physical player that can run and rebound well (which is a big key for the warriors) and can defend decently. The reason why I thought we should get him is because it is a pretty much a no risk move. I don’t think we’d be taking on a heavy contract with him. We already have Kurz/Davidson so i figured we’d drop one of them and make room for Mikki and with all the injuries to Biedrins and Wright, this can only help Turiaf. He’s an iron man but how much punishment can he take. Mikki doesn’t need a world of playing time, just enough time on the floor to get rest for Turiaf and Biedrins (when he gets back). And I never said that Mikki would propel us to the playoffs, I don’t know where you got that from. I knew the playoff hopes for this team were dead a long time ago but adding Mikki Moore can do a lot of good on this team IMO. During practice, it’s another experienced big for AR and BW to go against and learn from and if there are any other injuries down the line, Moore can step in and help. You do make really good points though, that I missed. He would take more minutes from AR and BW though and the rotation would have to adjust but Maggette should definitely be playing the 3 permanently (so that alone is a solution). As for our guards, well then I think the best player has got to play and the other guys are just assed out unless Nellie finds a way to use them situationally. like when you want to spread the floor, throw Morrow in there. If you need more ball handling ability take Monta out and throw in Marco or CJ. When Jack is being stupid and tired and jackin up dumb shots throw in Maggs or Buike. There are so many different things you can do with this line up. Who knows though? But I don’t think it would be that bad of a move at all
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by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Feb 20, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yea
horrible move for both parties is a bit strong. It would be a horrible move for Moore, but a pretty average move for us, I guess.
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by sam23 on Feb 20, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you're right though
it probably won’t happen. I already read that Phoenix and Boston have their eyes set on him. Whatever, our warrior team that we currently have, has really grown on me and I hope they can build on this momentum. even though we lost against the lakers, i saw a lot of positives and am excited to see how they play the OKC Blunder!
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by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Feb 20, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s a tall, physical player that can run and rebound wel
Moore is not a very good rebounder for a center. He’s strictly adequate, perhaps somewhat below average in this regard.
by jae on Feb 20, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
drop davidson for Moore. More seems like a perfect bench player for us. All we need from him is about 10 actives minutes or so.
by bushido on Feb 20, 2009 9:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
what does moore offer....
that turiaf and biedrins dont? If we sign a big man, i want a 4 who can create his own shot… moore-biedrins/turiaf front court isnt appealing….
odom/rasheed would be perfect fits but will cost too much, although if either can be attained on a 1 or 2 year deal could be great for randolph or wrights developement
by tafkasam on Feb 20, 2009 9:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think Moore has a lot to offer
We already have a team full of guys that can score but the biggest issue that the Warriors have had for the longest time is rebounding. I’m not saying that Moore is gonna be a rebounding juggernaut, I’m just saying that he is a physical guy and a good rebounder that can spell Biedrins and Turiaf a little. Also, knowing Nelson, Moore will give him another guy to play around with the lineups. Some nights you may see Moore at the 4 but mostly at the 5. With the injuries to Wright and Biedrins at the moment, this is pretty much a no risk move. As for those other guys you mentioned (Odom/Sheed), no one’s trying to make up any possibilites of who would be the best fit here, this is a reality that Moore has been waived and we have an opportunity to get him for not that much $.
Swagga on a Hundred! Thousand! Trillion!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Feb 20, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Moore is far, far from a rebounding juggernaut. He’s NOT a good rebounder. He’s a rather poor rebounder for his position, not terrible, but it takes a rather loose definition of the word good to say that he’s good at rebounding. He improves the rebounding marginally over Turiaf, but not at all over time played by Randolph and is more or less a push with Wright.
by jae on Feb 20, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Moore would be an insurance policy
We have had so many injuries this year. If Biedrins or Turiaf get hurt at all I would like to see Moore and whoever else is left finish the season for us and let those guys repair for next year.
This season is already a waste as far as the wni/loss record is concerned.
by warriorsvictim on Feb 20, 2009 11:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Yeah I was thinking more in the long term, it’s always nice to have a 3rd center. With Wright being a stick figure, Randolph jumping and landing on peoples’ backs, Turiaf relentlessly going after every shotblock, and the style we play in general, it’s not hard to imagine that our big men are going to be getting injured here and there.
But if there’s no possibility of keeping Moore for the longterm, then I guess it’s a moot point.
by YaHeard on Feb 20, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ehhh
this would just take more playing time away from AR…
by gorillas on Feb 21, 2009 1:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hmm. not really. get rid of Kurz...
Move AR to the swingman position. G-F.
mIKKI could play PF-C.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Feb 21, 2009 2:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great post bro.
I was just talking to my homeboy about this who always disagrees with me in hooptalk. It was a trip to actually agree for once.
I think Mikki Moore could fit well with us. I liked his game dated back to when he was with the Clips.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Feb 21, 2009 2:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
If there was one player I hated on the kings
It was Mikki Moore…Every time he drives the lane or goes for a board he screams at the top of his lungs, its pretty annoying And his game was average at best and hes on the decline now. Obviously if the kings, one of the worst teams in the league doesn’t think he can help them we dont need him. I would rather resign Cliff Robinson than him, lol. Good for them for getting rid of him though, Jason Thompson craps on Mikki Moore
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by drizztismoneybaby on Feb 21, 2009 9:52 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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