Polling GSoM: Baron Davis for Corey Maggette and Marcus Williams
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 20, 2009 1:32 AM PST
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Sure it was pretty amusing to see Chris Mullin's favorite trio of bigs- Ike Diogu (poor Sactown), Patrick O'Bryant, and Adonal Foyle - all get moved before this year's trading deadline, but this report from MT [Bay Area News Group] is what caught my eye:
Once mentioned in the rumor mill, linked to players such as Phoenix's Amare Stoudemire and Toronto's Chris Bosh, the Warriors passed on the chance to alter their team. They even rejected the Los Angeles Clippers' offer to trade former Warriors guard Baron Davis for forward Corey Maggette and guard Marcus Williams, a team source confirmed.
Note that a team source actually confirmed the Dubs rejected Boom Dizzle for Maggette and that lucky guy who gets free courtside season tickets at the Roaracle this year. Are you surprised, shocked, upset, happy, unsure about what to think about the Warriors not bring back Baron Davis to the Bay Area in exchange for an injury-prone, overpaid 6th man and this year's Kosta Perovic?
At 19-36 the 2008-2009 Golden State Warriors aren't exactly BOOMing, but then again neither is BD playing under Mike Dunleavy Sr. for Warriors South aka the LA Clippers. We all know how bad the Warriors have been this season, but I'll pass the mic to my man ClipperSteve from the mighty Clips Nation to tell you how bad BD looked the other night and has been all season:
We're almost immune to it now. Our expectations have been steadily downgraded from 'All Star' to 'Top NBA point guard' to 'solid NBA point guard' to 'starting NBA point guard' to 'please get him out of the game.' Interestingly, MDsr did just that in the second quarter tonight: with Baron's minutes quite low and no foul trouble, MDsr replaced him with Mardy Collins for the last 3 minutes of the first half, which is the first time I can recall that happening this season.
Even in the second half, when he made 6 of 9 shots to finish with 14 points, he just looked terrible. He is slow, he can't jump, he can't move laterally and he can't shoot. Some players appear to play in slow motion - in a good way. A guy like Brandon Roy never seems to be going too fast, but he just gets by his man time and time again and the game looks simple for him. Baron Davis appears to be in slow motion too - in a very, very bad way. The game does not look at all simple for him right now. He looks like he's moving more slowly than the other players because he IS moving more slowly than the other players. Think about this - how many times did Fred Jones get to the rim in 30 minutes. How many times did Baron? He is either physically incapacitated, or simply disinterested. But he shouldn't be on the floor.
I'll tell you this much - Tracy McGrady has been terrible this year, and is having micro fracture surgery after 12 long, hard seasons in the league, and he'll be 30 before he plays basketbal again. TMac's career may be over. And I'd trade Baron Davis for him in a nanosecond.
Ouch.
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Well...
…the quote you threw up kind of answered the question. As great as Baron was for us, it sounds like he’s suffered exactly the decline we all thought he would. I might prefer at this point he ride into the sunset as a Bay Area hero than come back and sour things. But it’s tough.
by Zack Vank on Feb 20, 2009 1:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
+1 He's not the same Baron, they only offered him because he costs too much
by T-Money on Feb 20, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yet
half of GSOM still would want him back.
Ouch.
by lightz0ut on Feb 20, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So smart
My point is that GSOM is disappointing me, how can half of GSOM want that contract. It’s not just a game, it’s a business. Baron would cripple the team for the next half decade. His contract is worth two good players, but he isn’t. He can still be good, he can even be great, but not for significant periods of time. That is why the warriors didn’t even think twice about rejecting the trade.
Please GSOM think about this
Would you take Maggette and Williams for anything less than a bargain?
Davis isn’t worth his contract
by T-Money on Feb 20, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2 good players
that might never come to the Warriors.
I completely agree that Baron’s contract will probably hamper us more than it would help in the long term, but we all have to remember that no superstar let alone good player (good player to be defined … is corey maggette “good” or are we talking like Chris Bosh, Carlos Boozer "good") would even come to the Warriors last season — Gilbert Arenas, Brand, et al. Or at all for that matter. For some reason, people just don’t want to play here for whatever reason — no future, lifestyle, who knows.
So, until we can find a way to attract/ensure any real game changing players would even come to the beautiful San Francisco bay area, using up cap space to be a more watchable and possibly better team seems to be a better idea at this point.
by dj fuzzylogic on Feb 22, 2009 9:22 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think I'm gonna cry.
Instead of Adonal getting his shot at the NBA championship, he’s going to move to….Memphis?!?!?! Argh! If this isn’t the swan song of his career, I don’t know what is.
They better give him some blasted playing time! Surely he’s better than Chris Mihm, Hamed Haddadi, and Darko Milicic.
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by Zorgon on Feb 20, 2009 1:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
He will probably be waived in a few days
We will probably need to be patient and let this season play out.
-warriorsvictim
by warriorsscore110 on Feb 20, 2009 9:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
who knows?
if that happens, he still might get his shot at a title if he can sign on with another contender. and to be realistic, the magic weren’t winning it all this year anyway.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Feb 20, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hahah i recommended this trade yesterday....
wish it went through…we could REALLY use a point guard and i think baron would be playin significantly better under nelson
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
by LostHawk on Feb 20, 2009 1:47 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
nah
As much as i loved the good times with Baron here, and as much as i hated to see him leave, i’m already over him at this point.
There are a lot of criticisms on Corey for the way he plays, the money he makes, and the injuries he incurs, but i personally like the fact that our 6th man spot is is currently one of the few things about our team that is consistent and solid.
I pray i never have to use a gun again...
...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...
...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...
...But how often does that happen??
by ssmokinjoe on Feb 20, 2009 2:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
+1
I too was devastated by that news (about Baron leaving). But, the reality is, and as I’ve said so many times, this group of Warriors are a better team than last. If not for all the injuries the team sustained this year, I truly believe they could have made a run for the playoffs and cause all kind of chaos to a lot of the other teams headed for the playoffs.
Last Wednesday’s game against the Lakers is a good example of how effective the amazing DUBS can be if they so choose. They did not get beat by a better team, they beat themselves with careless turnovers. In my opinion, they match up evenly with the Lakers.
Breaking them up now will be a bad decision. They are growing together and getting to know each others ways. They are molding nicely and there is the camaraderie, you CANNOT teach that. Taking that good relationship to the future is one component of success.
This is a very good move. The future is bright and looks VERY, VERY promising for this group of DUBS (barring any more injuries). They now only have to deal with ONE ego (Capt. Jack’s) and that is just fine with me (besides, the guy is producing and playing his heart out), but one is more than enough. Also, it looks like if Randolph plays and continues to progress, the Harrington trade is a blessing in disguise.
So people, enjoy every game left like it is the playoffs (that’s 25+ playoff games left involving the amazing DUBS..LOL!). You are watching a preview of a promising future NOW (barring anymore injuries, God forbid). It will be fun to watch the DUBS be the SPOILER for all the team (especially the so-called elite teams) bound for the playoffs.
by nightroddude on Feb 20, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if
we could do this trade like timmy k proposed with clips buying out some of his contract and he takes our mid level exception then i would take him back..
but his 5 year versus mags 5 years makes mags 5 year looks more attractive. Mags is a solid 6th man at least. baron looks like a worn out point guard who is too tired to play.
by saintdee on Feb 20, 2009 2:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
atma...
i don’t get why you’re always doggin mullin for his bad decisions, yet never praising him for the good ones. he hasn’t been a perfect GM, but for early in his GM’ing career he’s been pretty solid. please refute…
"so much losers" - hiero
by montamazing on Feb 20, 2009 2:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
That's just how it is... Even in real life
People will always bring up the bad in otherse, as opposed to the good. Unfortunate, but true.
by Golden Boy on Feb 20, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2k6-2k7 REPORT CARD: Chris Mullin & Rod Higgins
2k4-2k6 and 2k7-2k9 were awful, but there’s no denying he had a very nice (short) stretch right there.
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 20, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Heartbreaking
I don’t know why we wouldn’t pull the trigger on this trade. I’ve said the following many times, and I will say them again.
Baron Davis = 29 years old
Corey Maggette = 29 years old
Baron Davis = injury prone
Corey Maggette = injury prone
Baron Davis = nasty contract
Corey Maggette = nasty contract
Baron Davis = starter and leader
Corey Maggette = sixth man.
Also,
Warriors did not resign baron davis.
We cry.
Warriors sign Corey Maggette.
We cry.
Warriors lose 36 of their first 55 games.
We cry.
Warriors say no to davis-maggette deal.
So many people are happy?
HUH?
by bradyk2 on Feb 20, 2009 3:42 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
totally agree on every point! +1
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
by LostHawk on Feb 20, 2009 4:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
people on this site have ADD/schizophrenia
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
by LostHawk on Feb 20, 2009 4:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nah
Baron’s playing like crap as their starting PG. Corey is playing well as our 6th man. And who’s gonna follow a leader that can’t hold their own anymore?
You wanna trade your reliable grocery-getter for an old sports car that struggles to go around the block anymore? Sure, at this point, they’re both high-priced damaged goods so it’s almost a wash. But i doubt swapping for Baron could time warp us back to the ‘07 playoffs. I’ve cried the tears for Baron already. Now i’m over it.
I pray i never have to use a gun again...
...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...
...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...
...But how often does that happen??
by ssmokinjoe on Feb 20, 2009 4:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wake up...........
BD is never going tobe the “We Believe” player you remember….
He is out of shape, he is slow, he is playing crap and struggling to get even 14 points a game with huge court time. Maggete is a 20 point a game beast for us right now. Hell he is even quicker than BD… working harder now on Defense and generally proving to be a great asset.
Do you even remember what BD was like on Defense….horrible!
Get over yourself and stop living in the past. He CHOSE to leave as he wanted the bigbucks and to be in LA, well he is the one who now has to suck it up, after lets forget……sticking us in the craphouse with his late decision in the off season.
It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!
by BritWarriorGSW on Feb 20, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Best joke ever Baron Davis a leader
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA did you watch a single game Clips played? Baron plays horrible basketball. I always check boxscore of Clips games when BD is playing and I don’t remember ONE game where he shot over 50 %.ONE GAME!!! It’s obvious he doesn’t care anymore now that he has big $$$ in his pocket. Yes he is a leader. He’ s leading them to a big black hole where they will stay for a long time due to his terrible contract.
by buky on Feb 20, 2009 4:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well obviously
I hate to sound like an obnoxious fan, but has anyone paid attention to Baron Davis career other than 2006 forward?
There is a trend with Baron Davis: He plays hard when he wants to.
Let’s look at him immediately before, during, and after his Warrior days:
Before (Charlotte/NO Hornets):
Situation: Plays for a crappy team, poor teammates, dislikes head coach, butts heads with coach, dislikes style of play.
Outcome: Plays uninspired ball, crappy numbers, does not help the team win, is often injured,
Ultimately: Traded for benchers Speedy Claxton & Dale Davis.
During (Golden State Warriors):
Situation: Plays for a team with tons of potential, great talent, loves head coach, loves style of play.
Outcome: Plays inspired basketball, puts up all-star numbers, LEADS (don’t tell me he wasn’t a leader) the Warriors to the playoffs and the greatest upset in NBA history, is HEALTHY, is a star.
Ultimately: Offered lucrative contract.
After (Los Angeles Clippers):
Situation: Plays for a crappy team, poor teammates, dislikes head coach, butts head with coach, dislikes style of play.
Outcome: Plays uninspired ball, crappy numbers, does not help the team win, is often injured.
Ultimately: Shopped around by the trading deadline of the first year of a six-year deal.
Come on guys, it’s really not that hard. Can’t we see a pattern? Do you really think Baron Davis, the guy who played on purely emotion with GSW magically changed from star to scrub in 6 months?
Let’s be real. We can lie to ourselves all we want to justify this lack of trade, but come on, get real. Baron Davis is doing the same thing he’s done his entire career:
Doesn’t like the situation? doesn’t put anything in.
by bradyk2 on Feb 20, 2009 5:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so you want to lock up...the guy you describe this way:
He plays hard when he wants to.
You should consider yourself lucky we got his best two years and GOT OUT. It’s like being at a casino…the smart guys know when to walk away, and for once this franchise got it right and walked away. Front office takes a lot of heat (and rightfully so)…but they should get props for not caving into the casual warrior fanboi
"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
by GameSix on Feb 20, 2009 6:40 AM PST up reply actions 9 recs
So you honestly think
there’s no correlation between his two best years, sandwiched between crappy injury years, and enjoying playing for the Warriors?
Like I said, you can like or dislike the move all you want, but don’t lie to yourself and claim we got lucky that his two best years were with Golden State. He was good because he wanted to be.
I’m not saying I justify such behavior, but I also don’t justify a lot of SJax’s behavior, yet we still love him…
by bradyk2 on Feb 20, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also don’t forget that the two years he played here, he was playing for a big contract.
by Fantasy Junkie on Feb 20, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
correlation does not prove causation
I think FJ hit it on the head…playing for a payday would entice anyone to give their best. And I think we agree that he played well because he felt like playing well. You cite SJAX, but he’s a guy who plays well…all the time. There’s no reason to gamble to the tune of X amount of money that you’re going to get happyBD. Now, if you could get him at a PHAT discounted rate…then yeah all best are off.
I can’t believe I’m saying this…but…
I’d rather have Corey Maggette.
"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
by GameSix on Feb 20, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just say
You’d rather have Spaghetti, then you’ll be all good. It’s way too strange to actually say his name in that sentence.
I’m not sure Jax plays well all the time but he definitely works his ass off all the time. Even when he thinks he gets fouled. He puts his all into whining to the refs.
by disguy on Feb 20, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's really wise to rely your future on a player who acts like he's Paris Hilton and get paid 60 mil. $ for that
I despise people who act like he does. There are players who would literary kill for the chance to be in his shoes but he is acting like he’s some kind of a movie diva or something. He doesn’t even try to give his best and help the team. I DESPISE BARON DAVIS and I would never ever want to see him on this team.
I feel sorry for Clippers fans.
by buky on Feb 20, 2009 6:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey now
Paris gets paid to do what she does. She gets paid to go to parties and act like an airhead, that’s her job. Baron Davis gets paid to play basketball, not be a prima donna. Just because you and I don’t like how Paris makes her $$ doesn’t mean she’s swindling people…
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 20, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
some kind of a movie diva
When you own a film company in LA, you technically qualify for being a film diva.
It’s rare we ever move into my areas of expertise on this site but I’m a screenwriter who works in Hollywood and lives in San Francisco. Why do I live up here? Because Los Angeles is a PIT filled with self-involved divas who believe the entire world loves them. In 12 years of working with Hollywood I’ve found exactly ONE stand-up guy in the entertainment industry down there.
Baron exhibits all of the classic LA bullshit, as he did last year. That’s fine. He grew up in LA and it’s natural for him. He’s an unbelievable talent for whom things come so easily, and when things don’t go the way he likes he just stops working.
If anyone asks, this is not only what is wrong with Baron Davis, this is what is wrong with the Los Angeles Lakers (yes the Lakers not the Clippers — the Clips aren’t good enough to get away with this kind of behavior). This is why we hate ANY team from Southern California coming up here and crapping their attitudes on our Northern California heads.
When Baron goes to sleep at night, it is rather clear that he dreams of hoisting an Oscar into the air, not an NBA Championship trophy.
by Ormolov on Feb 20, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You writting the Warriors movie?
it’d be a comedy drama
by 123707THIZZ on Feb 20, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love Boom
But you’re right, he plays hard when he wants to. Thing is, we need guys to bring it every night.
I do agree, he was a great leader. I dunno what kind of leader he is now though. Haven’t watched many Clipper games.
by disguy on Feb 20, 2009 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Baron Davis = starter and leader
Baron Davis != starter and leader
Baron Davis = Apathetic, injury prone suit rack who’s riding out his last contract while working on his movies.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 20, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well it didn't happen, so deal with it
And I am one of the many who is happy.
by Golden Boy on Feb 20, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Chemistry is the Key With Baron Ellis and Jackson. I don’t see any chemistry between Ellis and Maggete maybe Jackson and Maggete but not with Ellis
by mykelala01 on Feb 20, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
…there’s a natural reluctance people are having, seeing as it only took LA one half-season to decide that Baron got no game. I’m not saying he wouldn’t be better for us, but you’d be making this trade more for the next few years, not this one; this year is burnt. Davis will turn 30 this year and will be 30/31 next season. When you’re talking about a man built like him, who’s had a history of knee issues before hitting 30, and he’s already been in the league for a decade… I’d consider him a decent risk to never play at last year’s level again. A level at which, mind you, he logged heavy minutes, was in maybe the best shape of his career, started and played every game, and we still missed the playoffs in a loaded west.
by Zack Vank on Feb 20, 2009 4:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
You got a point regarding the best shape of his career. To be able to play in the NBA for a full season you have to work out in the off-season. Especially with Baron’s body type. He came into training camp last year probably the best shape of his life. Suprise, contract year. Goes on to have statistically one of his best years and also logs the most games played he had since when he first came into the league. Plays basically into a ridiculous contract he has with the Clippers. I think Baron still has game, but it is going to take a good off-season workout routine to produce this. If we made this trade we are going to get the injury prone Baron because the dude ain’t in good shape. Considering he is locked up for the next five or so years, he ain’t going to workout this offseason or proabably any other and we would probably get half a year of good production out of him next year before injuries catch up with him. Corey Maggette’s body can handle only so much, but they reduced his minutes and he is still effective doing what he does when he is in there, so I will take his contract over Baron’s anyday.
by KeepRunnin on Feb 20, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As Dennis Green said
“They were, who we thought they were!”
Baron is great, when he wants to be great. He is also deceiving, pompous and just downright lame when you think about it.
He doesnt tutor well, he takes alot of bad shots, he NEVER gets along with ANY coaching staff. Remember with Baron here, Monta cant grow into what he will grow into which is a Gilbert Arenas type. Scorer with playmaking ability.
Is Corey Maggette overpaid? Sure. But not by much. He should’ve gotten like 37 – 40 mil. So we overpaid by 10 million. Look around the league though, was that really the worst deal?
Arenas signed 120+ mill, hasnt played yet. Brand 85 million, the 76ers are worse, and he is out for season. Chris Kaman 70+ not playing. Baron Davis 65 million, barely playing, and playing HORRIBLY ( if you havent figured out by now, the Clippers are the worst team in the NBA in every sense of the word. No future, no chemistry, and financialy screwed)
So considering that, and considering the 90483902482903849032843290 injuries we have had this year, once our team gets rolling do you know how many people would KILL to have a scorer like Maggette coming off their bench? ITS A HUGE LUXURY.
Again I just wish we would stop complaining so muchand realize, its a business first, and some business decisions have to be made. I mean Phoenix was gonna trade AMARE STOUDEMIRE LOL. Not because they want to but the economy is so bad, Robert Sarver their owner alot of his money was in Wells Fargo Banking and he lost like 80% of the Value. Yeah , EIGHTY PERCENT……
Like I said, do what you gotta do, I’d rather put up with a poor team, then no team at all. Just go ask Seattle fan.
by sjboy on Feb 20, 2009 8:06 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
Chili verde?
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 20, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Robert Sarver lost 80% of his money?
GOOD.
by Ormolov on Feb 20, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's cold
I wouldn’t wish losing a significant amount of money on anyone. Even dumb a$$es I hate.
by Golden Boy on Feb 20, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t wish losing a significant amount of money on anyone.
Haha, really? Man, I sure could. In fact, I could wish losing a significant amount of money on pretty much anyone who has a significant amount of money…
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 21, 2009 8:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
don’t trade maggs. the value he has over baron and many players as skilled offensively is he doesn’t need to be the A man. you can count on a couple of hand the # of players who can drive and score and get fouled as he can. in the right mix, a player of his ability and lack of need to be the main guy, is extremely valuable. he’s that guy that opposing teams know they can’t stop. the w’s have such a great depth now … it’s almost scary. valuable pieces. stay patient, make the right trade at the right moment.
by RimLord on Feb 20, 2009 8:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
baron
davis is like my ex-girlfriend from 5 years ago. Back then she was hot and fit. Then I saw her pics on facebook recently. Now she’s a heffer. Time to move on people. This team is going to be good. soon. (but not soon enough for most of you)
by save10 on Feb 20, 2009 9:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
hahahaha
Same with my ex from a year ago.
I’m content with building for the future, myself. I want to see how monta, beli, and cj develop at PG.
by ryogahibiki on Feb 20, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
But what makes you think we’re going to keep any of them?
by GoldenStateGuerrero on Feb 20, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
But that still doesn’t guarantee they’ll stay long enough to “build for the future”.
by GoldenStateGuerrero on Feb 20, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL. That’s cold. I wonder what you look like now and 5 years ago.
by Fantasy Junkie on Feb 20, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i
look good. 220 lbs then. 168 lbs now. 10,000 miles on a bicycle (200 miles a week), 200 hundred push ups, 400 crunches a day for the the last 5 years. was hypertensive and borderline diabetic (in my twenties!) – now off meds and racing bicycles. i looked like hell then and wondered why she was with me in the first place.
by save10 on Feb 20, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ughhh...
We could have had Baron back? This is silly. I would have totally brought back my poster if we got him…
We still believe!!
by R Dizzle on Feb 20, 2009 9:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
WE STILL BELIEVE
Dummie….the one thats in my picture
We still believe!!
by R Dizzle on Feb 20, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mullin's favorite trio
‘Sure it was pretty amusing to see Chris Mullin’s favorite trio of bigs- Ike Diogu (poor Sactown), Patrick O’Bryant, and Adonal Foyle – all get moved before this year’s trading deadline’
Funny, i always thought mullin preferred the current trio of bigs that any team in the league would love to have: wright, randolph, and biedrins. but go ahead and dwell on the negative moves while continuing to ignore the positive developments of this club…
what’s going to happen next year when the warriors are contending for playoffs and fans have put up with over a year of warrior-bashing? you’re not going to forget about your ‘warriors will be stuck in the bottom 5 in the west’ prediction, are you?
by pebble_blunt on Feb 20, 2009 12:41 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
On the bright side
We didn’t get Amare or Brand and now they may both be out for the season. And Maggette is playing well for us and giving us a reliable scorer off the bench. We’re still short a PG but if Nellie uses everyone properly we have good scoring and plenty of depth (if everyone is healthy of course…). We’ll actually be able to post lineups that have a (pretty) real 4 out there with Wright and Randolph and I hope to see Jax playing <= 38 minutes a game so that he can give his best effort out there.
by worldblee on Feb 20, 2009 1:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wait a second...
…the Warriors not bring back Baron Davis to the Bay Area in exchange for an injury-prone, overpaid 6th man
Shouldn’t this read:
“…the Warriors not bring back an injury-prone, overpaid Baron Davis to the Bay Area in exchange for an injury-prone, overpaid 6th man…”
By the way, Maggette is putting up nice numbers as a 6th man. Better numbers than many starters across the league. HIm, Manu, and Jason Terry all play the same role and have proven to be valuable in those roles. It’s not always who starts the game, it’s who finishes. Maggette finishes.
And look at the splits for as a starter and as a sub:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3336/splits;ylt=Avkgtzi46K6jqf0ObhEaRhePKB4
by Fantasy Junkie on Feb 20, 2009 1:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Does not factor in healthy vs. injured
I will admit that he’s probably better off the bench, but you can’t seriously believe that he’s only playing better because he’s coming off the bench…
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 20, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know that he’s playing better because he’s healthy. That’s obvious. The Warriors are playing better because Jax and Maggs are healthy. His improved health has helped him but coming off the bench has also. I was pointing out the Atma’s condescending tone towards being a 6th man and the unfair characterization of Baron vs Maggette. The writing made it seem as if Maggette was the only one who is “injury-prone and overpaid” when in fact, you can apply those labels to both.
by Fantasy Junkie on Feb 20, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
See...
I tried to tell Atma you were the more reasonable one. =P
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Feb 21, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Shouldn’t this read:
"…the Warriors not bring back an injury-prone, overpaid Baron Davis to the Bay Area in exchange for an injury-prone, overpaid 6th man…"
Agreed. I think the quote from ClipperSteve illustrates that BD is struggling like no other. That can’t be argued. And I like Maggette probably more than most Warriors fans.
But the Warriors need a PG and an All-Star caliber player. Maggette has proved to be neither. At least BD is a proven commodity under Nellie.
BD’s playing for a mediocre coach in LA who’s basically lost it and doesn’t know how to use him. Maggette’s playing for a hall of fame coach who has figured out how to utilize him. The coach and system makes a world of difference. Just ask the Phoenix Suns.
Look at it like this. Let’s say the Warriors kept Baron and Clips kept Maggette (and for pretend’s sake has Marcus Williams glued to the pine). Let’s say both struggled as they have this season and had the expected injuries. I don’t think there’s ANY Warriors fan that would trade BD for Maggette and Williams. In fact their would quite an uproar if they did that.
This is simply a case of homerism and Warriors fans overrating their players (again).
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 20, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
like you overrate BD? (again)
hanging on to the past and not looking at what the player is doing now
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
by qin on Feb 20, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what hes doin now?
how can u even compare now with then?
he has a different coach…different team playstyle…no chemistry…
of course he is going to suck with LAC
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
by LostHawk on Feb 20, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BUUUUHOOOOHOOO poor Baron he has to play for a new coach and a new team a different playstile
and he is only payed 65 mil. $$$ to do that… poor poor Baron!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by buky on Feb 21, 2009 3:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Blaming the coach and system?
BD’s playing for a mediocre coach in LA who’s basically lost it and doesn’t know how to use him. Maggette’s playing for a hall of fame coach who has figured out how to utilize him. The coach and system makes a world of difference. Just ask the Phoenix Suns.
1) Look this is mainly BD’s fault. If he’s not trying, that’s not Dunleavy’s fault. You have to try. Wait, you have to play and not sit out games because of an injury everyone knows you could have come back from earlier. Baron knew the system Dunleavy runs. Dunleavy knew the kind of player he was getting. It was a match made in hell. Dunleavy may not be using him correctly, but BD still has to play his ass off. He’s too talented to get replaced by Mardy Collins or make Clipper fans wish they could trade him for an injured Tmac.
2) I haven’t kept up with the Clippers, so what has Dunleavy done to lose it?
3) Maggette playing for a Hall of Fame coach should help his numbers but they’re pretty much in line with the rest of his career. Dunleavy coached him the previous seasons and his numbers are the same. Coach and system or is this about players?
4) Ask the Phoenix Suns what? BD needs to try. Sure his numbers are down because of a worse coach, but the coach and system don’t make you tank it.
by Fantasy Junkie on Feb 20, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so nelsons such a genius because he decided to use maggs off the bench?
Their were people on here calling for that MANY games before nelson figured it out, so does that mean they could be hall of fame coaches?
by 123707THIZZ on Feb 20, 2009 11:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't have to call it genius...
… but it was the right move at the right time. Nelson probably knew before the season started that Maggette might have to fall into the 6th man role, but we had just acquired him as top free agent with a big paycheck and a big ego. Getting Maggette to embrace the role and flourish in it is not just plug and play. If you’re the coach and you treat it too heavy-handedly, you’ll get resentment, lack of effort, and/or trade demands (ala Al Harrington).
Some people think that coaching is like playing a video game. You just press buttons and go. Coaching is dealing with human beings—human beings with different egos and a broad spectrum of personalities.
I pray i never have to use a gun again...
...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...
...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...
...But how often does that happen??
by ssmokinjoe on Feb 21, 2009 12:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did I read that right. They asked for Maggette AND Williams?
Well no wonder we said no.
by jae on Feb 20, 2009 3:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
hind-sight is always 20-20...
but i would have rather kept baron then let him go. Corey has panned out into his new role but I cant imagine how this team would have been like with Baron running the floor with jax, monta on the break.
Anyway few months back Corey was getting sharted on cause his PT was in LA, but 3 months later and 400+ votes later, GSOM is on the coin purse.
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
by gogomaplata on Feb 20, 2009 3:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
wow
they really did Baron dirty out there on Clips Nation. I hope they buy him out and we pick him up for half the price like Kawakami was writing about a couple days ago. I wouldn’t mind that. I think he’ll be more motivated here but then again there would be a lot of mixed feelings about his return. When he left I wanted to burn his jersey and bann it from my closet but then I found out the whole truth about the story. After that I was still kind of mixed about how i should feel. He’d pretty much have to start over to gain the respect that he once had IMO, sort of like Monta is doing now after the stupid moped incident.
Swagga on a Hundred! Thousand! Trillion!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Feb 20, 2009 4:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
baron is the man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP30QH_FpiM
enough said…
even if there is a remote chance that the good baron would come back if he came to the dubs, i’d take it over not having ANY pg and id take it over having maggette (terrible defender and an offensive half court player)
BRING B.D. BACK!
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
by LostHawk on Feb 20, 2009 4:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Do you remember
The stagnation of our offense last year in 3rd and 4th quarters? When we couldn’t hit a jumper to save our lives, and nobody could drive the lane because all we tried to do early in the game was shoot 3’s and the defense knew it? Maggette is able to score points for us during these times, even if he doesn’t always finish, because he is SO strong that he can take contact and still put up a shot. Sure a PG would be nice, but Maggette is an asset that has changed our teams dynamics and made us less reliant on 3 pt shooting and in the process a more well rounded team. I loved Baron when he was here, but as much as I am surprised by it, I don’t miss him anymore. Not the horrible shot selection, the lazy defense, the late night parties on the eve of the most important game of the season, etc. The WE BELIEVE BD is gone, and has been replaced by a Movie Producer who happens to play some basketball on the side. Time to move on (unless the Clips would actually buy out most of his contract, in which case I would give him a go, but that is another Tim K BS story in the first place.
by Pearlsofwisdom on Feb 20, 2009 5:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
...buy out most of his contract, in which case I would give him a go
I go back and forth about that. Would you take a BD who is a bargain and is meant to come in and be a supporting veteran who teaches the young guys like Sam Cassell and gives solid minutes off the bench…?
Wait. What the hell am I talking about? This is Baron Davis we’re talking about. He’ll never be Sam Cassell to anyone. He’s more Iverson. It will ALWAYS be about BD while there are fans to cheer. I know he’s only 30 but his body is older than that. He is certainly looking at the downside of his career. Can he take that gentle slide with any grace? I doubt it.
He was certainly the best basketball player in the universe during the WE BELIEVE playoffs. His solipsistic approach to life was just what we needed. Some leaders can learn to share the stage with others. Others are just stuck that way— they have to give the orders, not take them. Perhaps he’d prove me wrong, but I highly doubt BD could ever be a support player.
by Ormolov on Feb 20, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure
Baron would become a totally different player than he currently is in L.A. After all, look at the Clippers, they’re worse than we are and we’re pretty close to the bottom. They ARE the bottom.
I bet any of you wouldn’t talk so badly about BD if he were to come back. I’m pretty sure also that Baron isn’t playing as well as he was with us, because-
A. He doesn’t get along with Dunleavy Sr., so he and Nellie had a couple of different views, but they had a working coach/player relationship.
B. His current teammates are subpar in comparison to those he was running with last year and the year before. Who wants to play their best on a bad team? Wait, horrible team.
C.He misses the Bay. It’s obvious he does, he no longer puts effort into his game and no longer carries the passion he had with us. It shows in his play both with us and the Clippers. His “swagga” is gone.
D. The system they run wouldn’t and doesn’t work for a point guard such as himself. You think Steve Nash, who also runs in a high octane offense, would put up the exact same numbers if he were somehow trade to the Clips? No, I think not. BD is a transition point guard with excellent court vision that diminishes in a half court setting. He’s not a half court type of point guard as CP3 or Dwill is.
All in all, I believe if we did somehow get him back, our team would, could & should be in pushing for the playoffs, at least next year. Our team last year was subpar of 07’ and we still hit 48 wins.
I believe we would be improved with Baron.
- iBall, do you?
by iBallGSW on Feb 20, 2009 5:26 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Baron isnt slacking cause he doesnt like where he is, he's right where he wants to be
Hollywoooooooooood
by 123707THIZZ on Feb 20, 2009 5:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Steinmentz made a good point about Jackson.
Had we not extended him he would have been a real hot commodity at the deadline. We could have gotten great value for him.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Feb 20, 2009 5:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I made a fanpost about this a couple weeks ago when the rumor first got out
It’s ok Atma, I’ll give you permission =p
by Calamity on Feb 20, 2009 8:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I knew I voted incorrectly when I hit vote. I voted for the Maggette option. I thought how much more damaging it is to have a player like Baron tanking and affecting everyone else’s play because he dominates the ball so much. That could be 4 more years of tanking and Warriors in just ugliness. Remember the year with Monty? It’s disgusting and there’d just be no chance to win. At least with Maggette, when healthy, you know he’s going to play, not tank. So you keep Maggs and trade one of the other young guys for a better star. That almost happened.
But then I remembered that the Warriors don’t get stars and this league is about stars. If you have a chance to get one, even with BD’s risk, you go get him. Baron can be motivated, it just has to be the right motivation. You have Nellie right now who’s probably one of the only coaches who could motivate BD. BUT he could leave at any minute. You just never know with Nellie.
Hopefully Nellie can motivate him in year 2 and 3 of the deal. Then in years 4 and 5 he becomes a valuable expiring contract if nothing else.
So yes, I change my vote, I make that trade. I’ll choose the potential cancer over not having a star.
by Fantasy Junkie on Feb 20, 2009 8:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
...not having a star.
Just for conversations sake, what would happen if Monta blossoms into a star during that time? You would have Baron there blocking his progress by dominating the ball and jacking up ill advised shots while creating more of a defensive liability in the backcourt. That single move could completely take away any advantage a healthy and improving Monta could give us in the next few years.
I’m not saying that Monta is a star, I’m just playing devil’s advocate and pointing out the other ways he could hurt the team.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Feb 21, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll choose the potential cancer over not having a star
—thus proving you are truly a junkie for fantasies.
by Ormolov on Feb 20, 2009 8:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Haha. As long as I’m not a fantasy for junkies.
by Fantasy Junkie on Feb 20, 2009 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Baron dont want to be here, he doesnt care about saving the warriors or being yalls hero
Baron cares about Baron, let him go
by 123707THIZZ on Feb 20, 2009 11:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We can all speculate, assume, wish... whatever...
But the bottom line is, it ain’t going to happen (at least not this season). If you are a true Dubs fan, support the existing team. Afterall, aren’t you celebrating when one of the players make their shot and/or make a good play? AND, It didn’t really matter who made the shot, but you are still celebrating right? So please, enjoy the game and stop whining. Let’s go Warriors!
by nightroddude on Feb 21, 2009 12:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
No. Warriors are playing better
with Ellis back in the rotation. I am optimistic about where the Warriors headed, give the young bigs more playing time and see what we got for next year. Baron Davis will only stunt the team’s progress and be an anchor in the years to come.
by greala on Feb 21, 2009 3:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Baron Davis is so good lately that Steve Blake just dished 14!!! assists in the FIRST quarter
there was a play where Baron missed the layup and didn’t bother to return to play D. Blazers didn’t have a fastbreak but were shocked that Baron after 10 seconds still didn’t return and Fernandez went to the rim for And-1.
by buky on Feb 22, 2009 3:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well i dont know.
I wouldnt exactly want Baron back for Mags only because he is not the same Baron, and Mags has been doing fine as a 6th man, and also we have way too many guards. But it was great to have him on our team.
J-Rich and Matt Barnes will always be missed
by JayDeeAye on Feb 23, 2009 12:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldnt trade for BD a this point
but we shouldve gotten him for the $39 mil extension that Mullin had worked out. I dont really understand how Baron would hamper the growth of Turiaf, Randolph or Wright given they’re bigs that would benefit from floor leadership and court vision. I dont understand how he would hamper Monta…Monta screwed himself by getting on the moped. Besides, Monta is just not a true PG, he’s a PG in the same sense that Allen Iverson is a PG…quick and can score, but really doesnt lead the plays, his teammates nor does he have great court vision/passing abilities. If we signed BD rather than Maggette, then we would have had a potential allstar PG for the same amount of money but for one less year, rather than a $10 million dollar 6th man for an extra year.
Comparing Baron this year with the clips as opposed to last year with the dubs just doesnt work. Apples to Oranges. You simply cannot discount the fact that he is playing for an inferior coach with inferior teammates in front of much less enthusiastic fans. Yes, he made the decision to leave, but Rowell made the decision to screw him first. Yes, Dunleavy made the move to sign him, but its obvious that Dunleavy sucks at his job. It seems fairly apparent that he is unhappy with his current basketball situation, and nobody will ever perform at their best when they’re unhappy with their job…think about how motivated you are when something at your job pisses you off or makes it even harder to do your work. Maybe he should just suck it up given the amount of money he makes, but he’ll never be the player there that he was here…the situation is just too different and it makes his job, the way he does it best, harder to do.
One thought though…if Baron never left, would he have had as strong of an appreciation for Nelson and the Warriors that he does now, or would have any negative feelings from his last game have carried over to this season. Maybe the seperation between the dubs and the Beard is the best thing to ever happen…if we ever get him back that is
by rtgunn on Feb 23, 2009 12:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
uhhhh... how about marcus, jamareo, cash, and a draft pick?
maggette is no baron. but baron is no baron either, at least not anymore. since the most recent hamstring injury though i gotta say that i like a happy, healthy maggette coming off the bench as the warrior’s “east bay gangsta” sixth man. he is what he is, which is not much of a playmaker and notoriously one handed. but when he does what he should – go to the hole, get fouled, mix it up with the mid range j, rebound? – he is exactly what the team needs. i love the baron of two years ago, but today he’s not worth a maggette. maybe if the clips gave up baron & gordon we could talk.
by karteblanche on Mar 9, 2009 10:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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