3, 2, 1... TANK!!!
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 23, 2009 6:47 AM PST
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OK,
So it's already been discussed, but in the last two days, two very damning things have come about to suggest that tanking season is now fully upon us:
2. Nellie claims he'll start playing the youngsters
I also took a look at the league standings: we're currently in the 7th slot, but only 5 games away from the 13th pick. What's that mean? If we start playing well, our lotto chances are dead. If we stop playing well, our lotto chances are still alive. Is this a good thing? I don't know. What excuses are they going to have? Is Andris' joke about still being 2 months away going to ring true? Is Monta going to struggle to come back this time? What other tanking maneuvers will they make?
Look at Monta's situation this way: If he's out 1-2 weeks and comes back slowly, that gets us to mid-March, only a month left in the season. He could play for two weeks and then shut it down to "not risk injuring himself". Heck, he could even not play at all! Captain Jack could start taking a few rests here and there... What do you think they'll do?
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Look at Monta’s situation this way: If he’s out 1-2 weeks and comes back slowly, that gets us to mid-March, only a month left in the season. He could play for two weeks and then shut it down to “not risk injuring himself”.
And
Captain Jack could start taking a few rests here and there
Also
Nellie claims he’ll start playing the youngsters
So, I didn’t actually vote beacuse I think you nailed it on your opening volley.
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
by qin on Feb 23, 2009 7:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Added an "all of the above" option for you
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 23, 2009 7:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The closest vote is the Marcus Williams one
which I took as representing the “playing the youngsters” form of tanking. I don’t think various starters will start missing games because I would think that Nellie would want to see what combo of youngsters and regulars can play together effectively.
Also, I’m not treating “tanking” as “not caring at all about winning”, like the Miami Heat of last season. That mentality is for when you plan to blow up the team. I’m treating it as more like “which youngsters will help the team win”.
by IQofaWarrior on Feb 23, 2009 7:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Added a "we're not tanking, just playing the youngsters" option for you
But you do realize that Nellie has never “played the youngsters” this season unless he’s had to… which means that he doesn’t believe that playing the youngsters is any attempt at winning. Which in turn means that if he’s deliberately playing the youngsters more, he’s not trying to win, AKA “tanking”. Sure, he’s not starting Chris Quinn and Stephen Lasme, but tanking is tanking is tanking.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 23, 2009 7:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You should be a lawyer, haha
but yes, your logic about playing the youngsters meaning not trying to win is valid. But I expect Nellie to coach them to try to get the win.
by IQofaWarrior on Feb 23, 2009 8:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didnt vote....
but unlike a lazy American who chooses not to, I just simply think you are wrong about the “tanking” efforts.
You see the Warriors have PLENTY of youth, although there is maybe 1 or 2 players who are nice on the draft we dont need any of them.
Blake Griffin? He will play SF in the NBA, PF if he is in the East Coast, and we got Maggs, Randolph, Wright etc…
The other player who I think is ballin’ is Memphis’ Tyreke Evans. This guy is a Kobe type ( no he is NOT Kobe or a disciple of, his game is replicating ) but he is a 2guard, and we got like 239083490482908234904382 of those.
Also the NBA salary cap is going to shrink due to the economy, we have a ton of contracts, I think it’ll be in our best interest to just go ahead and develop our season.
Now what you should be praying for is that everyone will be 100% healthy coming into next season, and with another training camp and mother playtime under his belt you have to think Wright and Randolph will be ready to contribute significant minutes. WIth Jackson proving that he is a ready and able distributor, and Maggs nearly solidifying himself as the top bench player in the league, you sir have yourself a very sexy 2009-10 Warriors.
If you cant get excited about that, then you’re probably someone who doesn’t get up and offer grandmas your seat because you’re too busy choppin’ it up with your metrosexual buddies from SF on your iPhone.
by sjboy on Feb 23, 2009 8:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
but unlike a lazy American who chooses not to
Well, if it’s a deliberate choice not to, that’s not being lazy, it’s making the tiniest political statement possible. Somebody who doesn’t vote out of laziness either didn’t register, or doesn’t know what date to vote.
I’m not saying this is what I want or don’t want. I’m just calling it as I see it. End of story. The Warriors are tanking. You have obviously not read any of my recent posts. For some info, check the recommended posts category for my hopeful “Monta’s back and we look good” post.
If you cant get excited about that, then you’re probably someone who doesn’t get up and offer grandmas your seat because you’re too busy choppin’ it up with your metrosexual buddies from SF on your iPhone.
Seriously, was that even remotely necessary? Why do you have to make personal attacks…
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 23, 2009 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not saying this is what I want or don’t want. I’m just calling it as I see it. End of story. The Warriors are tanking.
They are only tanking from incompetence not actively. They don’t seem smart enough to grasp the concept of delayed gratification.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 23, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Im sorry you were offended
It was a joke, I like it when people use humor to make a point, I will try and refrain in the future to not upset you.
You know I have to answer the political thing. As an immigrant myself I have to say that voting is the single most important thing any American can do. If you dont understand that, then welcome to the problem with the United States of America.
Moving on…
I dont see how they will be tanking. You know what tanking is? 97 Spurs was tanking. 2005 Celtics was tanking. Miami Heat of last year was tanking. When you remove healthy players from the lineup and place them on the IR for bruises and scratches.
On the Warriors roster we have SERIOUS injuries that have cost us the SEASON.
Look I love debate, but dont get mad at me when I disagree with you. if everyone agreed, fanatacism would be dead, and we’d all be Spurs fans.
THE HORROR
by sjboy on Feb 23, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was really only offended by the last bit
More for the metrosexuals you were insulting than for myself.
It was a joke, I like it when people use humor to make a point, I will try and refrain in the future to not upset you.
Your comments about BART, grandmas, and metrosexuals has absolutely nothing to do with the point you were trying to make. It was a personal attack completely isolated from the rest of your comment.
On voting, yes, everybody should vote. But if you have a serious dislike for all of the proposed candidates… I suppose you could go write in “mickey mouse” or something…
Moving on…
We’ve seen it throughout the season. If Nelson is trying to win the basketball game, he plays the veterans. Thus, if Nelson is sitting the veterans, he’s NOT trying to win the basketball game.
We’ll see what transpires, but if Nelson is actively sitting the veterans and Monta stays out for 3+ weeks, I’m calling tanking. Right now, Nelson and the Warriors are talking like this is the plan.
I’m not upset at you for disagreeing with me. I was upset at your off the wall personal attacks.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 23, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But if you have a serious dislike for all of the proposed candidates… I suppose you could go write in "mickey mouse" or something…
The responsible thing is to figure out which one will do you less harm and at least vote for that.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 23, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That is so covered in wrong sause
Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.
—John Quincy Adams
Effective representative democracy requires politically engaged citizens that vote. Lesser-evil voters support the current two-party system with its terribly low voter turnout and chronic dishonesty and corruption. Lesser evil voters help put into office disappointing politicians, not the best people that would restore American democracy and show more citizens that voting is valuable. Lesser evil voters demonstrate the validity of turned-off citizens’ view that it really does not matter which major party wins office.
Politicians knowingly market themselves to lesser evil voters by constructing phony sales pitches, especially to certain audiences outside of their more certain base constituents. Democrats make themselves look more progressive than they really are, and Republicans make themselves look more conservative than they really are. Lesser evil voters are phony, and they produce a phony political system. Lesser evil voters contribute mightily to the travesty of our political system that no sane person respects or has confidence in.
excerps from: http://www.populistamerica.com/the_evils_of_lesser_evil_voting
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
by qin on Feb 23, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
It must be nice to be so much more genuine and principled and morally upright than the other 99.99999% of the world. Can I kiss your halo? Or better yet, can I vote for you? ;-P
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 23, 2009 6:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and there in lies the problem
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
by qin on Feb 23, 2009 6:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yes I know you were joking and you “get it” but you hit right on it
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
by qin on Feb 23, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lesser evil voters contribute mightily to the travesty of our political system that no sane person respects or has confidence in.
Lessor evil doesn’t exclude the candidates you’d vote for, if they’re so great put them in the race. Ever hear think globally but act locally ?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 24, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK
Let’s brainstorm about how to get a real non-Washington type in the White House… Let’s get some funding together for a good non-Washington “think tank” and marketing team. Know anybody who’d like to donate?
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 25, 2009 6:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it was all lost
when nader failed at 5% in ‘00 to bush2. at that point, five percent (he was polling well over that threshold) would have earned the greens federal matching funds, and a genuine third party might have emerged when they devoted those funds to the next congressional cycle.
but scare tactics led a huge number of naderites in Cali to vote for Gore even though there wasn’t the proverbial snowball’s chance that Bush would pull our 55, thus representing an inexcusable ignorance about the mechanism of elections in our country.
again, the key wasn’t to get Nader in the white house, but rather to use the national stage to raise funds for congressional races. if the Greens or some other far-left party could begin to scrap together a little caucus from places like here in Humboldt where they genuinely represent the will of the people, then the Dems would have to start courting them for a coalition.
aaa
ya basta
by rubiomovement on Feb 25, 2009 9:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A better choice would be a a true independent
Ross P or Ron Paul would fit the bill, one is way to old now and the other insists on the “R” at the end of his name but if you look at the smaller elections that have had some success (like in Mini with Jessie V) that is the way to go, someone who can state that the Dems are wack on this point and the GOP is wack on this other point and stick with it. Remember Ross was almost Boss. (even though he was a crazy little troll).
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
by qin on Feb 25, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if the Greens or some other far-left party could begin to scrap together a little caucus from places like here in Humboldt where they genuinely represent the will of the people,
Trouble is the far left or far right don’t represent the will of the people as a whole. any independent would have to be solidly in the middle to win. Which is pretty much where Obama is.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 25, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh brother
any independent would have to be solidly in the middle to win. Which is pretty much where Obama is.
(sigh) only if youre talking relative to the bay area.
But I do agree a 3rd party would have to rise from the middle…and it would be pretty tough to put yourself between our two parties. The system is designed to support two parties, we’ve never sustained more than 2 significant parties for any significant amount of time. If a third party does rise itll likely spell the fall of one of the others. I dont see it happening in our lifetime.
Thing A
by sam23 on Feb 26, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Obama preaches bi-partisanship and change
But look at his appointees, all ex-Clintonites. Look at what he let congress do with the bail out bill. It’s the same as before, just going the other way.
As for a third party, no way it happens because the two existing parties team up to stop it.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 26, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Griffin a Small Forward???
What about 6-10 and 250 lbs tells you isn’t cut to be a PF in the NBA.
Draftexpress.com has him as PF in NBA with the potential to play some center. Here’s their last write up on him: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Blake-Griffin-1268/
ESPN analyst Chad Ford compares him to Carlos Boozer and also says:
The consensus No. 1 pick in the draft, Griffin has excellent athleticism and toughness and an NBA body. He is a great rebounder and has also become a vastly improved offensive player this season. While he may not have the superstar potential of a Kevin Durant or Greg Oden, his willingness to bang down low and do the dirty work has won him fans in NBA circles.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&playerId=19213
From what I can see he’s going to stick at PF and has a chance to be a pretty darn good one at that.
A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.
by mcwalter44 on Feb 23, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
From what I can see he’s going to stick at PF and has a chance to be a pretty darn good one at that.
OK so is our chances of getting Griffin better or worse than our chances of making the playoffs? To a reasonable person the odds should decide whether we tank or not.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 23, 2009 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not to be stereotypical but..
todd fuller?
troy murphy anyone?
mike dunleavy????
by jchao204 on Feb 23, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Look up Michael Beasley and get back to me
by sjboy on Feb 23, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
dude
Have you watched Blake Griffin play a single game? He’s much more of a banger than Beasley was and he doesnt shoot outside very well like Beasley does either. And Beasley could very easily still end up as a 4….he splits his time between the two but if they Heat didnt have Haslem, Beasley would be their starting 4. Griffin’s game has been compared to Boozer and Howard. He’s not gonna be a 3.
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
by sam23 on Feb 23, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok... so I looked up Beasley
Draftexpress also has him down as PF in college, a PF in the NBA with the potential to be a SF/PF. He left college measuring 6-9 and 235 lbs. So, to be far Beasley was 1 inch shorter and 15 lbs lighter according to his college listings. I think it’s reasonable to asset that those extra 15 lbs will help distinguish Griffin from Beasley in the sense that his body is more apt for playing the post coming into the NBA than Beasley.
A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.
by mcwalter44 on Feb 23, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
The Big-12 much like its Football counterpart blow. Like alot. They are of bunch of big boddies who run around and get a bunch of layups, dunks because the defense is so bad.
http://collegebasketball.rivals.com/bviewplayer.asp?Player=83920
That is what Beasley did last year with Griffin in the Conference. This guy now plays in the Eastern Conference and is WAY more versatile then Blake Griffin. Blake is weak on the FT % and cant shoot the 3. Unless you wanna take 0.1 per game seriously…..
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/players/72931
Here is Blake Griffin. Its no contest. I wont even bring up Kevin Durant’s stats.
The point of the matter is, guys get INFLATED numbers in the Big-12 because its weak weak conference. Texas etc.. those guys choke in the tourney every year. Of course Blake Griffin is number 1, have you seen who is going to be in the draft next year?
Crickets
No one homie…. its empty. Its a weak weak draft, so congrats for being the best of the worst.
Of course I have seen Blake Griffin play. I know enough to tell you that his brother Taylor will make a better NBA player. But if you think being a dunk machine in College where 6-10 = you’re huge.
Consider this: Tyler Hansborough the College PLayer of the Year put up huge numbers in a MUCH MUCH harder conference. People are not even giving him a chance on the NBA level. What do you think Griffin will do?
Nice player, but please take it easy….
by sjboy on Feb 23, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
a couple things
uhhhh….looking at those stats Griffin this year looks very similar to Beasley EXCEPT he’s shooting 63% from the field compared to the 53% Beasley shot. Is your point that he’s not as good as Beasley or that all Big-12 players stats are inflated? If youre saying their Big 12 stats wont translate youll find a good number of OKC Thunder fans who would disagree with you.
The point of the matter is, guys get INFLATED numbers in the Big-12 because its weak weak conference. Texas etc.. those guys choke in the tourney every year
YEA LIKE KANSAS LAST YEAR ….THOSE CHOKERS!!!!! And Texas totally choked last year only making it to the elite 8 before losing to the #1 seed Memphis. What a choke.
I know enough to tell you that his brother Taylor will make a better NBA player
haha we’ll just have to wait and see, but I wont forget you said that.
have you seen who is going to be in the draft next year?
Crickets
No one homie…. its empty. Its a weak weak draft, so congrats for being the best of the worst.
Its not as strong or as star studded of a draft as the last two years, but its not exactly a horrible draft. Thabeet, Monroe, Holiday, Hill, Harden, Jennings, Teague, Curry, Aminu, Henderson, Lawson, Clark, etc… All those guys can be very good pros, I wouldnt call that empty.
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
by sam23 on Feb 23, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hahah
I knew you’d bring up Kansas who lost to Memphis, up untill they gave the game away. But +1 to you for that.
Thab is weak, and the 6 foot 8 guy from pittsburgh who punked him publicly last week proved it. Monroe is lazy and thats why the Hoyas are not even ranked. Holiday is nice, but very raw. Harden can score…. in college. Eddie House also scored 60 pts in the pac-10.
Curry is VERY interesting, but the guy shoots like 14 3 pointers per game. Im not trying to be funny. He shoots ALOT of 3 pointers.
Of course you can say “they could be” about alot of people. I agree that there is potential, but no one is stand out. No one is going to come in next year and start right off the gates ( the right way anyways ) and have an impact in the league.
63% FOR Blake Griffin versus 56% from Beasley who actually SHOOTS the ball and shot it from the 3 point line, just speaks to the skill that he lacks.
Do you honestly thing Griffin is going to muscle around anyone in the NBA like he is in college? Look at Greg Oden. He ANNIHILATED people in college. he has 0 offensive game and in 1 year he took O State to the Championship. He cant muscle anyone in the NBA. In the pros EVERYONE is 6-10 250…. so you BETTER be good at other things or you are a 1 trick pony.
Look up Shelden Williams, Jared Dudley, Joakim Noah … these are all guys who benefited in college from great programs and being bigger then everyone else they played against, when they got to the NBA reality check and they got smacked in the face because when they couldnt outmuscle or outsize them they got dominated.
Look up Oden’s best games, its again mediocore centers. Put him up against legit centers, he plays like 5 minutes,4 fouls.
So with that said looking at his despicable FT% ( if you’re going to be a bruiser, you will get to the FT line ) and the fact that his jumpshot is lacking, his 3 pointer is non existent, and his main thing is charge the basket for a layup or dunk…. yeah man he has ALOT of work ahead of him.
You know what? He knows that he has alot of work ahead of him,. because he stayed in college. He would of probably gone top 10 or 15 this year but he didnt come out. He also knew this year the draft would be weaker then Troy Murphy’s interior presence in a basketball game.
BLING BLING #1 pick.
Its not hate, if its fact.
by sjboy on Feb 24, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its hate, not fact
63% FOR Blake Griffin versus 56% from Beasley who actually SHOOTS the ball and shot it from the 3 point line, just speaks to the skill that he lacks.
A guy shoots 63% from the field and it shows how much WORSE he is than a guy who shoots 10 % points worse? In that case: STEPHEN JACKSON for MVP!!! Its not like Griffin is dropping 5 ppg at 63% he still scores as much as Beasley did in college, just a whole lot more effeciently.
In the pros EVERYONE is 6-10 250
Nobody on our roster is. :-)
So with that said looking at his despicable FT% ( if you’re going to be a bruiser, you will get to the FT line ) and the fact that his jumpshot is lacking, his 3 pointer is non existent, and his main thing is charge the basket for a layup or dunk…. yeah man he has ALOT of work ahead of him.
Sounds an awful lot like Dwight Howard who DOESNT really have a lot of work ahead of him.
Look up Shelden Williams, Jared Dudley, Joakim Noah … these are all guys who benefited in college from great programs and being bigger then everyone else they played against, when they got to the NBA reality check and they got smacked in the face because when they couldnt outmuscle or outsize them they got dominated.
Not one of them dominated consistently the way Griffin does. Griffin is 10x the athlete Williams or Dudley are and Noah’s skill was dramatically overrated due to his supporting cast at Florida.
Do you honestly thing Griffin is going to muscle around anyone in the NBA like he is in college? Look at Greg Oden. He ANNIHILATED people in college
Yes I think Griffin will muscle quite a few opponents around. I also think he’ll be a better athlete than most guys he’s matched up against. Oden “ANNIHILATED” peopl in college? On offense? Not really. Griffin does a better job of staying out foul trouble than Oden did, sores more (at an even more efficient rate) and rebounds more.
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
by sam23 on Feb 24, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
Who needs a guy who can rebound and score efficiently?
I’m not saying Griffin will be an All-Star, I really don’t know, but I think it’s really silly to discount his strengths the way sjboy has. I’m not sure how well his game will translate in the pros but with the way he is dominating right now I think it’s safe to say that he will be a good rebounding PF who can score efficiently if not often. Definitely somebody you want on your team. I’ll take him.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Feb 24, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
plus
Dudley and Noah are weird comparisons. even sheldon to an extent. Dudley never really manhandled people like that. actually at BC he used his played the 4 a lot and used his quickness rather than bulk to be effective. and Noah NEVER manhandled people like Griffin. that was Horford’s role, plus some of their other bigs like Richard.
Griffin is pretty raw. Plus, I’m sure most of you guys remember this, which speaks for itself
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3512517&searchName=katz_andy&action=login&appRedirect=http3a2f2finsider.espn.go.com2fespn2fblog2findex3fentryID3d351251726searchName3dkatz_andy
(in case that absurdly long link doesn’t lead to the article, its all about his training program around SF running on the beach and carrying truck tires up staircases; beast status)
by rubiomovement on Feb 25, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
holy crap
i can’t get over the 60 pound bag of sand while running in the sand bit. that’s just ridiculous.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Feb 25, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"have you seen who is going to be in the draft next year?"
Yeah, I’ve seen Harden, Monroe, Clark, Thabeet, etc. play. You should try it sometime, it’s fun and you get the added bonus of knowing what you’re talking about.
by antihero on Feb 23, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Hi,
That was great analysis. If you could please post less detail, I was overwhelmed on your reasons, feedback and just overall post.
If I needed a “I went to the zoo and I saw a Lion” opinion I would of asked.
Stick to “warriors new Jerseys” threads.
THANKS!
by sjboy on Feb 24, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Must be the new T. Griffins, the guy we took with our #1 pick who’s going to lead us to 5 championships! Can’t wait to get my hands on those!
by antihero on Feb 26, 2009 12:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Griffin will not be a sf in the nba
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Feb 23, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tanking
is the stupidest idea I have ever heard for three reasons:
1. I still watch every game, and I want to see wins
2. Even if we lose every game from here on out, there is a very good chance we don’t end up with the #1 pick. Just prepare yourself mentally for Blake Griffin putting up 20/10 in Sactown, while they still barely manage 20 wins next year.
3. We need to continue to foster a culture of winning. The rest of this season needs to be treated as a preseason for next year.
With that said, Jack, Maggs, etc, should have their PT curtailed a bit to make room for Belli, Bwright, Randolph (A-mo?!?!). But I do not consider that tanking.
This would be tanking:
PG: MWill
PF: Kurz
C: Jermareo
I better not see these guys play at all or I really will start hating.
Monta is the singular of Montus, of the Montai
by Supafishal on Feb 23, 2009 8:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I hate when the NBA season comes to an end...
even if the warriors suck this season and all of the other past seasons I still look forward to each season and when it’s all over…it just sucks! I like baseball and football a lot but nothing comes close to basketball! I don’t want to see them tank. We have a lot of young talent already. I’m not saying that we can’t use a Blake Griffin or nothing like that, i’m just saying i’d like to see them play it how it goes for the rest of the season and just continue to give us interesting basketball each game. Whatever happens, happens. I hate giving up. Warriors don’t give up!! they might as well rip those letters off their jersey’s if they’re just gonna lay down and quit. i hope they don’t tank.
I hop up out the bed, turn my swag on and then do the stanky leg...yeaaaaahhh I'm gettin' Arab money!!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Feb 23, 2009 9:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Playing the young guys isn't tanking
I don’t remember who the interview was with, but listing to Fitz and Brooks last week, they were talking to someone from a newspaper in Oakland, and what the writer said I totally agreed with.
These warriors are DEEP at all positions except the 4 spot. Nellie seems convinced that giving these guys runs will automatically throw away games, but I don’t agree in the least. It’s pretty ridiculous to me considering his production over the first couple months of the season that Morrow is now TBA every game while our starting backcourt is logging 45 minutes a game. At some point Nellie and the coaching staff needs to have more faith in the bench.
by kyzah on Feb 23, 2009 9:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Tanking is the intent of those who make decisions that matter
Whether or not you believe in the young guys has no bearing whatsoever on the matter.
Evidence suggests that Nellie believes that playing the veterans gives us the best chance of winning. The fact that he’s now saying “We’re going to play the youngsters” means that
he’s going away from the strategy he believes gives us the best chance of winning
. This means that
he’s given up on winning
and is focusing on developing the young guys. Giving up on winning is tanking. It may not be “Washington Generals starting lineup” style tanking, but it’s still not actively trying to win every game… TANKING.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 23, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dammit...
Evidence suggests that Nellie believes that playing the veterans gives us the best chance of winning. The fact that he’s now saying "We’re going to play the youngsters" means that he’s going away from the strategy he believes gives us the best chance of winning. This means that he’s given up on winning and is focusing on developing the young guys. Giving up on winning is tanking. It may not be "Washington Generals starting lineup" style tanking, but it’s still not actively trying to win every game… TANKING.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 23, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What about Houston Rocket Tanking?
Then we can get Ralph Sampson and Hakeem Olajuwon… or maybe we’ll just get Joe Smith
A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.
by mcwalter44 on Feb 23, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not true at all
“Nellie believes that playing the veterans gives us the best chance of winning”
of course he does, every team will play its best veteran players over their less experienced ones, thats not the point. By that logic, the Lakers should be playing Bryant 48 minutes a game, the Cavs with Lebron, the Magic with Howard, etc (and these are playoff teams, teams with something to gain from winning). What we’ve seen as Warriors fans however, is a complete lack of trust in anyone who wasn’t a part of this team last season, with the exception of Turiaf, for the majority of the season thus far. Wright and belinelli only just began to get playing time just before the Xmas on a consistent basis.
I’m too lazy to look up the numbers right now, but I’m pretty sure Jackson is leading the league in minutes played. Stephen Jackson. No player on this team should be recording that many minutes, and I hope anyone tries to argue me on that point.
My original point was this, and it was the same point I heard on the radio last week. I don’t believe playing Watson, belinelli, morrow, and wright more hurts our chances of winning. I actually think we will play better, in the short and long run by giving jack, crawford, ellis, etc 15 minutes or so a night of rest. We saw this same scenario play out last season where down the stretch Davis and Jackson simply ran out of gas and started playing poorly. Lately, we are watching Jackson start of games strong, then get incredibly turnover heavy and lazy on defense down the 3rd and 4th quarter stretches.
In the end, i guess its just a different matter of opinion.
by kyzah on Feb 23, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well said "Fish" & "Swag"
I want my team to make the best moves every night to give us the best chance to win. The draft just doesn’t excite me; it’s most always a total crapshoot. Do we really need more young players on this team? That said, I would like to see the young guys that have shown they are ready and deserving of more minutes (Wright , Beli & maybe Morrow) start to get more. As for Monta sitting out being a sign of tanking, I don’t know, but I doubt it. I thought two things when he returned to the lineup, what’s the rush to bring him back before the all star break and more than that, why so many minutes so soon? That was just foolish, particularly for a team nowhere near sniffing the playoffs this season. I think it was wise not to make a move at the trading deadline. Let’s use the rest of the season to determine who best fits the future of this team. The good news is that there will probably be a couple of decent point guards available when we draft. Maybe not with superstar potential, but someone we can develop. Remember Nellie found Tim Hardaway; maybe lightening will strike twice
by Jeffo on Feb 23, 2009 10:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Some people don't seem to get the point...
It’s not whether or not you want the Warriors to tank. It’s whether or not they are tanking.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 23, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if Cap’n is playing 30+ a night, you really can’t say Nellie is trying to tank
Monta is the singular of Montus, of the Montai
by Supafishal on Feb 23, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We'll see tonight...
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 23, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
haha i like that.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Feb 23, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
3,2,1
contact
"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
by GameSix on Feb 23, 2009 11:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
you know what
i’m not sure…i remember it as an elementary school pre-video thing, too lazy to google. so, so lazy
"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
by GameSix on Feb 23, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I used to have a thing for one of the hosts — sometime between the thing for Agent 99 and the thing for Winona Ryder…
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 23, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agent 99!!! she was so hot!
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
by sam23 on Feb 23, 2009 5:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agent 99!!
This one?
Or this one?
Can’t go wrong really.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Feb 23, 2009 11:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
best thread ever
nominated
"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
by GameSix on Feb 24, 2009 7:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Flowcharts:
Warriors tank
Season ticket holders DO NOT renew for next season
Cohan closes his wallet because he’s in the negative
Warriors don’t pursue any effective free agents in the upcoming years
FAIL
Warriors do not tank
Season ticket holders DO renew
Warriors draft a “high potential” 19 year old project at #14, who Nelson will not play
FAIL
This is a win-win situation
by YaHeard on Feb 23, 2009 11:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
or
Warriors tank
Season ticket holders DO NOT renew for next season
Warriors land #1 pick, take Griffin or land a top pick and trade it with a couple young players for a really good player
Old season ticket holders come back and renew their tickets
Warriors start winning games
More fans start buying season tickets
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
by sam23 on Feb 23, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd prefer not to call it tanking
how about “improving at the expense of wins?”
by bradyk2 on Feb 23, 2009 12:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 24, 2009 6:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why don't we take the second best rebounder in the nation in the second round?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/luke_winn/02/18/john.bryant/index.html?eref=fannation
Lack of tremendous athleticism, foot speed, and weight is an issue. I’ve seen him play at Saint Mary’s and know him personally. He’s ranked 41 among Seniors in the NCAA for the NBA draft but is the leading rebounder and scorer in the WCC.
by yocballer on Feb 23, 2009 1:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Definition of tanking...
I think that a lot of the confusion here is what exactly you consider tanking. I think there are subtle ways of tanking that aren’t all out offensive to your fan-base.
I think that in general when a team is out of the playoff hunt they are considerably more cautious with injured players. That right there is a form of tanking. (IMO anything that you do differently than if you were in the playoff hunt that decreases your chances of winning is a form of tanking)
Increasing the minutes of younger players and allowing the vets to rest more is also a form of tanking. (So long as the younger players are worse than the vets, so in our case this one might not apply =P)
Most people have the opinion that tanking is gross. They imagine a team sitting its stars with made up injuries or the players on the floor not giving their best effort. I don’t think this really happens all that much.
I think there is a much more subtle and socially acceptable way of tanking and the Warriors have been flirting with it for a while now. They always seem to give a good effort on game night (they are after all professional competitors), but we’ve seen guys coming back i little more slowly than expected from injury a few times now.
Buike has sat out after banging knees even though he said he would be ready for game time.
Monta was held back a couple weeks despite wanting very badly to play. He has shown some frustration in the way his recovery is being handled by the team. And now of course will be out again.
Marco and Andris have both taken their time getting back.
We haven’t heard much at all about Wright (the guy who was and should again be starting at our weakest position when he’s healthy) and his recovery timetable.
If Nelson really does start to play the young guys more (yeah, we’ve heard it before) then I think it’s safe to say that the team is taking part in some sort of tanking.
I honestly don’t find it offensive at all to be more cautious with injured players and allow your younger guys to get some game experience. If it doesn’t go beyond that I’m fine with it. If I see a significant drop in effort or some extremely suspicious injuries, well let’s just say that we’d better get the #1 pick if that happens or we will have a lot of ticked off season ticket holders.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Feb 23, 2009 2:42 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I fully agree with this post.
I believe we already ARE tanking t his season, but very subtley.
But instead of giving minutes to our up-and-coming youngsters, we trot out Stephen Jackson and Jamal Crawford for 45 minutes a night and always blow the lead in the 4th.
And doesn’t it seem very convenient (or inconvenient) that we never have a full healthy squad. Is it just coincidence that when a handful of players come back, a handful of players get injured? I’m not saying these injuries are necessarily fake, but it’s mysterious how our guys get all better to play right when (and only when) someone else goes down.
It’s a smart way to keep everyone’s “per game” stats up too, so that players aren’t sharing minutes like if we had a full squad.
by YaHeard on Feb 23, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe we already ARE tanking t his season, but very subtley.
If so we aren’t very good at it, what’s our record over the last dozen or so games? I smell lots of lost lotto balls in that stretch.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 23, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If you like the post REC IT!
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 24, 2009 6:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent post Thing 2. The official plan is exactly what it needs to be for the organization to survive. They need to:
1. Keep losing games so as not to hurt the draft postion
2. Get the youngsters some real gametime PT
3. Give the fans what they’ve been clamoring for: More Belinelli, Wright, and Randolph!!!
Well played Warriors FO… well played. We’ll see if they go into all out tank mode… we did just lose to the Clippers.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 24, 2009 6:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You play the game with integrity and heart.
You play the right way.
You play to win every game.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 23, 2009 2:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You play the game with integrity and heart.
You play the right way.
You play to win every game.
You can do all of those things with this line-up:
PG:Monta
SG:Crawford
SF:Jackson
PF:Wright
C: Andris
Bench: Maggs, Buike, Marco, Turiaf, Morrow
or this line-up:
PG: Watson
SG: Marco
SF: Buike
PF: Randolph
C: Kurz
Bench: Morrow, Williams, Davidson
One is tanking, one is not. I think it has much less to do with how you play than who you play. This is an extreme example, but I think we may see a lot of guys taking their time “getting healthy”.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Feb 23, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rated-R Superstar's true identity
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
by sam23 on Feb 23, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What the heck?
Why’d you tell?
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 23, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they should just let Monta get healthy and sit out the rest of the season.
Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.
by StSaints408 on Feb 23, 2009 7:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i think we got our answer last night
clippers win, warriors lose
"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
by GameSix on Feb 24, 2009 7:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but Jax still played 39 minutes and Biedrins came back...
Though Biedrins wasn’t himself and 39 minutes is below average for Jax, so you never know. I guess they’re just not tanking cold turkey.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 24, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Corey wasn't himself. Was it 10 points?
Mike knows him rather well…
by Shells on Feb 24, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Distribution of minutes...
J. Crawford G 33:55
M. Belinelli G 17:46
R. Turiaf C 22:55
S. Jackson F 38:57
K. Azubuike F 23:39
Bench
C. Maggette 29:47
C.J. Watson 26:50
A. Biedrins 16:32
A. Morrow 16:01
A. Randolph 13:36
While not an all out tank job (Jackson w/ 39min) I’d say Nellie was spreading the minutes around a little more liberally than usual. We don’t see him go ten deep too often.
We’ll see how this progresses, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see this become a trend.
I am surprised Randolph didn’t play more, but Marco, Watson, Buike and Morrow all got significant time while Crawford and Jackson were the only players to break the 30 minute mark. Something to keep an eye on.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Feb 24, 2009 4:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
kool
let tank the season to draft Rubio…lol it going happen
by warriorfan4life on Feb 27, 2009 1:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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