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Anthony Randolph and Tyson Chandler: Playing to your strengths

There has been a lot of discussion about what kind of player Randolph will be in this league. Some imagine him becoming a long SF with a wicked crossover and a smooth outside shot, and he himself seems to be one of them. Personally I think that mentality is exactly what's wrong with his game.

Despite his recent improvement he is still shooting 43.9% from the field which is really bad for a guy who spends most of his time at PF and a good amount at center.

He is also turning it over 3.4 times per 36 minutes, second only to Jackson.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that the guy doesn't have any skill dribbling the ball. He appears to have a smooth handle when dribbling in the open court, but I believe it's more a question of mentality. He doesn't know when to pick it up and get it to a guard. He has a bit too much confidence in his handle (and his outside shot for that matter).

Now that I've drilled the guy for his weaknesses, how about I give him some credit for what he does well.

 

He has been a very good rebounder so far. He's pulling 11.6 per 36 which is more than respectable. He's also blocking 2.6 shots per 36 second only to Turiaf (man that guy gets a ton of blocks).

So lets see... he's got big man size (yes he's thin but it doesn't seem to hurt him much), his strengths are suited to playing PF but for some reason he sees himself as a SF. It seems to me a shift in mentality alone could greatly improve his performance.

As JAE has pointed out to me in the past making the mental jump of improving your shot selection and not forcing the issue by dribbling the ball into trouble is not an easy task. Many players never put it together mentally and learn how to play to their strengths.

So I've been thinking about players that came into the league young, lean and raw trying to play outside with a similar frame and similar game to Randolph. The guy that jumped out at me was Tyson Chandler.

Now Chandler is bigger than Randolph (7-1 to 6-10) but has shown the kind of maturation process that I would love to see from Randolph.

His early years in the league on the "Baby Bulls" he spent a lot of time on the wing, handling the ball and shooting outside. On defense he was talented but reckless blocking over 2 shots per 36 but racking up a ton of fouls (sound familiar).

After his first few years on the Bulls I questioned whether or not he would be an effective player in the league. His rookie year he averaged only 8.9reb per 36. His FG% cracked 50% only once in his first four seasons including 03-04 when he shot a miserable 42.5% in limited time due to injury (he still showed better shot selection overall than Randolph through his early career). He also turned the ball over a lot for a big.

Then something happened. A shift in mentality. Slowly over time I think he began to be seen as more of a natural big man, likely because he began to see himself that way.

His rebounds increased steadily over his career along with his FG%. Now he has a career FG% better than 55% including his first two seasons on the Hornets where he hit better than 62% of his FGs (thank you Chris Paul). He now has a career average of 11.6reb per 36. His turnovers and fouls declined too as time went on.

What caused the shift in his play? I don't know, but the difference was evident even to myself who only watched him casually.

The big question here is can Randolph make a similar mentality shift and start playing to his strengths. I don't think Randolph will ever be a center or play in the mold of Chandler but I would like to see a similar maturation occur.

In my mind I like to imagine Randolph as a lean but strong rebounding PF who is athletic and skilled enough to get around bigger fours but gets a lot of his point off of put-backs and open court dunks (as a trailer, or on the wing, not leading the break himself). I'd love for him to learn his limitations and allow the guards to handle the ball under pressure and stop taking the outside shot.

If we are going to be successful with him we need him inside. He is our strongest rebounder not named Andris. He could be a very effective big man in this league if someone could convince him that he's not Magic Johnson.

Now to be fair he has shown more restraint as of late. Of course he has been effectively playing center with Andris being out and Turiaf running into foul trouble. Is it a coincidence that as he's played more inside he has been a better player. I don't think so. If he could continue to progress this way he could really be a quality player.

Somebody get this guy some game tape of Tyson Chandler bricking shots and turning the ball over his rookie season, and then show him some game tape of Chandler rebounding, blocking shots and throwing down Chris Paul lobs in a Hornets uniform. Somebody tell this guy he is not a point guard, shooting guard or small forward. There is nothing small about his game. This guy is a power forward, and personally I hope he can learn to play that way.

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by olympicmike on Feb 25, 2009 2:58 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Great post olympicmike. Lets Go A-R!

For this season, I’m just glad AR is getting playing time. I’ll take him playing at any position.

He is probably best at the 4, but as his career progresses and defense improves I think he will be able to play well at SF or PF.

I want him to be able to slow down Kevin Durant, Rashard Lewis, Josh Smith, and continue to annoy the hell out of Odom.

He has been getting alot of good run lately and I love what we are witnessing at his age of 19 or 20? I do hate it when he shoots the outside perimeter. In due time, if he practices his shot enough and gets coached well on it, he can be a serious threat in the league.

AR at the age of 25. That could be scary nice.

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by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Feb 25, 2009 3:13 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

hes 19

was the youngest guy in the draft

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by LostHawk on Feb 25, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

youngest guy in the entire league

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by ItsDatFriscoSwag25 on Feb 26, 2009 8:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bob Fitzgerald

may have mentioned that once or twice I think

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by sam23 on Feb 26, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

or everytime

by YaHeard on Feb 26, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

he never passes up a chance to mention that haha

I hop up out the bed, turn my swag on and then do the stanky leg...yeaaaaahhh I'm gettin' Arab money!!

by ItsDatFriscoSwag25 on Feb 26, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good post.

I think he is definitely a 4. Not just offensively either, he has tremendous leaping ability. He uses that to his advantage to BLOCK SHOTS. He needs to play around the rim and intimidate people from coming inside.

Also, i see him as a mini-KG (on the defensive end at least). He can guard anyone from a 2-5 with his length and athletic ability. Maybe not that many 2’s, but still very versatile.

He has a good looking, fundamentally sound shot and I can see it improving as he gets older and stronger. I doubt he will ever have good range out to 3-point land (which in my mind a SF needs to be able to do), but good shot none the less. He should stay a 4.

Then all we need to do is draft a point this offseason and we are set at every position.

BRANDON JENNINGS please!!!

by warriOs on Feb 25, 2009 3:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Agree. Want to add that he’s playing like he has something to prove.

See it as bad and good. Good being that he’s willing to fight for the ball and hurt anyone and anything who is unlucky enough to get in his way (ask CJ). Bad because he wants to do everything himself since he see’s every second he’s on the floor as pure gold.

I see him as a Foward, capable of playing either 3 or 4. Prefer 4 for his Turiaf like mindset and rebounding but he’s shown that he’s developing his range in the past few games which might allow him to play at the 3. I really look at how Odom is like as a player when thinking about Randolph’s future.

How about Rubio?

by gunwing54 on Feb 26, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, a lot of comparisons to KG and Odom are posted around here.

I’m pretty sure he is going to calm down. I think part of the reason is the game is moving too fast for him right now. I think next year he will improve a lot because he can work more in the offseason and figure out what he needs to do and where he needs to be. The game should slow down for him after that.

Like I said, I don’t think his future is at the 3. He can play some minutes there, but he could be a top PF in the league with a little more muscle.

by warriOs on Feb 26, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rubio won't be available where we're drafting.

Although if some miracle we get the top 1-2 picks I would definitely take him.

I’ll probably catch some flak for this, but I would take Rubio over Griffin. I think our most pressing need is PG.

by warriOs on Feb 26, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think a lot of teams would take Rubio over Griffin. I would, too. However, I’m not sure if Rubio is actually coming out this year.

by jmaaan on Mar 2, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There is nothing small about his game. This guy is a power forward

  Trouble is Rudolf is a lot skinnier than Chandler. A normal bigman can just push Stickman out of the way when fighting for position. If he wants to play power forward he needs to gain 30 pounds. If he wants to play SF he needs to practice his shooting til he can make it in games . Rudolf’s blocks and rebounds now come from slashing to the spot which is not a good long term strategy, it’s like running stop signs, you can get away with it for a while but sooner or later you are gonna get run over by a truck. Just because we need a power forward is not a good reason to try and fit Stickman into that mold. Develop him into whatever he can be whether it’s a rashard lewis or a scotty pippin, if it’s a chandler then that’s great.

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 25, 2009 3:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

we have a reindeer on our team?

by vinchenzy on Feb 25, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

apparently he thinks he’s funny. hohoho

by BobbyLeeHurt on Mar 4, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

he is only 19.

He will definitely add weight. I posted this elsewhere, can’t remenber where, but when KG came into the league at 18 or 19 he was 6’11" 220lbs. Now he is at 254lbs. Randolph hopefully will fill out to 6’10" 240- 250lbs from 6’10" 210lbs.

by warriOs on Feb 25, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

kg is 254?

since when? lol

he still looks 225-230 which is what i imagine AR will peak out at w/o becoming overweight to be effective

by tafkasam on Feb 25, 2009 7:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

 
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by warriOs on Feb 25, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

weight is less of an issue than strength

i don’t need to see him “bulk up” if he doesn’t add a lot of strength in the process. look at guys like bosh and kg. they’re pretty skinny, but no one will deny that they can play some post d. as warriOs said, he’s going to gain some weight; he’s 19, but if he adds it without a fair amount of strength, he’ll keep having his same “skinny guy” problems.

and good point about letting him find his own game. right now he doesn’t look like a wing player, but if he can learn shot selection and how to keep his handle, it would be foolish for us to not use those newfound skills. i see a ton of josh smith in him if he keeps improving, but if he somehow develops rashard lewis range, i don’t think anyone would tell him not to shoot.

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by cap'n hack on Feb 25, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!

I can’t even imagine AR gaining weight without muscle. He’ll have a round body and a small head!

by warriOs on Feb 25, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

he could just get fatter. while it would be funny looking (and invite all sorts of zach randolph comparisons), it could happen. he needs to hit the gym, not the buffet.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Feb 25, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Z-Bo

That guy may be a little thick around the midsection, but he also plays pretty dang strong…..when he plays.

Thing A

by sam23 on Feb 25, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

i was just thinking that it would be hilarious to see a fat anthony randolph, which would definitely make people think of zach randolph, the fattest randolph of all.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Feb 25, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Chandler is about 3 inches taller than Randolph. Predraft Chandler weighed 224. If an inch of height equates to somewhere between 4 and 10 pounds depending on overall build, that’s not too different in terms of build. Granted, that was Chandler right out of HS, but I don’t think the age difference at the combine was more than a year. It’s not at all a stretch to see Randolph filling out (not intentionally ‘bulking up’ as so many seem to think he can and should do) to 220 or 225, someone of similar build to Chandler (who now gets listed somewhere between 235 and 245).

Rebounding rates seem to be remarkably consistent. If some guys get them by slashing to the spot (which, for what it’s worth, it doesn’t appear that this is something that guys only get away with for a while. There are several very, very good rebounders in the league who do so without being bulky. Neither Garnett nor Camby are hulking giants. Neither seem to simply get pushed out of the way either. Comparing Randolph to Garnett overall at this point is premature, but he’s actually a better rebounder than Garnett was his first couple of years in the league. If he maintains his rebounding, I’d not be the least bit surprised.

by jae on Feb 25, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I could definitely see him as a Rashard Lewis...

I like your analogy of AR’s block/ rebounds compared to running stop signs haha. Anyways, I admit, it would be nice to have Randolph become a Tyson Chandler but i just don’t see it. Randolph, at 19, already has an ego the size of Don Nelson’s belly and without BJ Armostrong there to try to tone him down, he’s just going to keep thinking he’s the shiiet (especially with his family constantly reminding him that he is the shiieet!)! Don’t get me wrong, I like the kids game and I think he’s going to be a very special player in this league eventually but he does need to wise up and humble himself a whole lot and just do what he’s asked to do at the moment. I think he’s got to prove himself a lot!

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by ItsDatFriscoSwag25 on Feb 26, 2009 8:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rashard Lewis

As person that follow the Sonics when Rashard can into the league at 19 yr old I can say that Randolph can’t even image having Rashard’s range. Lewis can into the league already able to hit above 33% from 3 PT line. Hell, Randolph has troubles with 20 footers and he’s a much better rebounder that Lewis could ever be. They’re body builds are the only comparable thing, like wise with Brandon Wright. That said, nobody’s talking about B-Wright being Rashard Lewis.

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by mcwalter44 on Feb 26, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The ball handling ability can be compared..

…maybe not so much right now but after a while, when Randolph is more comfortable with the flow of the game and learns more control, I think he can develop into somewhat of a Rashard. The shot may or may not be developed later on but he definitely isn’t scared to shoot it and i think with time, he’s going to develop a more conisistent J.

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by ItsDatFriscoSwag25 on Feb 26, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

4....but Protein shakes needed!!!

I am convinced he is a great 4 in the making….but he has GOT to baulk up in the next few years. It would be interesting to know what type of eating regime he is currently on as he really needs about 30lbs to start to give him some heavy impact.

He may lose a little athleticism, but the added power would round his game enormously. However first things first, learnng not to throw the ball away is is primary objective right now.

It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!

by BritWarriorGSW on Feb 25, 2009 3:53 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Can you name a single player who was ineffective because of a lack of bulk (or ‘baulk’, whatever that is) who was effective after “bulking up?”

by jae on Feb 25, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How much do you weigh?

It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!

by BritWarriorGSW on Feb 25, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

(I’m only 5-10, but I can rebound like I’m at least 5-11)

by jae on Feb 25, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Also a certain Andris Biedrins has improved considerably with a little extra mass!

Buike has a great deal more power now than he had two years ago and as a result is more effective.

The reason for the weight question above, is I’m 6’4 and 225lbs and If as I suspect you are under 200lbs I will show you on a court what that extra “Bulk, Baulk, Mass or whatever nit picky phrase you wish to use” can do.

Why do you think AR has been on his “ASS” so much this year? He currently “Bounces” off people. Someone like Carlos boozer o Dwight Howard, Yao Ming, Shaq, etc etc etc can easily body check AR right now, not only bouncing him off position but probably drawing the foul as well.

If he adds the mass, and no one is talking “Zach randolph – Burger Fat” but muscle and lets face it, we have two prime examples of power pack right now on our team in Maggete and Buike, then as I mentioned, I believe his extra athleticism makes him a very excitng potential for the future.

In the 4 position you need “MASS” otherwise you end up getting hurt, like B-Wright currently. A true 4 needs to Bump and Bruise not Bounce and Break!

It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!

by BritWarriorGSW on Feb 25, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The reason for the weight question above, is I’m 6’4 and 225lbs and If as I suspect you are under 200lbs I will show you on a court what that extra "Bulk, Baulk, Mass or whatever nit picky phrase you wish to use" can do.

I’d like to see your 225lbs go against Brandan Wright and his skinny 205lbs frame so he could show you that being bulky is secondary to being good at basketball. Yes, even with a bum shoulder. =P

Seriously though, Randolph, Wright, all those skinny guys will add weight naturally over time as they mature. From what I understand it can be very difficult to rapidly add weight while not hurting your overall conditioning, athleticism and basketball skill. I’m no expert but I have heard quite a few players talk about this. You can’t rush the process, they will add mass slowly over time like KG, Bosh and Andris have. It’s not like these guys aren’t in the weight room most days.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Feb 25, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone remember when Donyell Marshall was here and tried to bulk up?

by jae on Feb 25, 2009 7:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

haha

+1.

randolph doesnt need to get huge. if he naturally puts on 15 lbs w/ his aggressiveness he can be a monster rebounder. He i super long w/ hops and he’s 6-10… he doesnt need to eddie curry thick

by tafkasam on Feb 25, 2009 7:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And not everyone "bulks up" naturally

Sean Bradley anyone, Manut Bol? OK so those are extremes but you get the idea.

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by qin on Feb 26, 2009 7:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Mike....lets not be daft

Comparing me to Brandan in a 1on1 is like comparing Dwight Howard and CJ watson in a 1on1 only I dont have the skills of CJ by a long way…..

My point is that men of equal talent in similar positions, require a certain frame to be competitive…now…ADD AR’s reach, athleticism and energy, shot blocking ability, etc he has the potential with a little more mass, to be something quite special, so I stand by myoriginal assesment, AR needs to continue to build his frame.

It is also possible to gain from one year to the next a considerable jump from the previous year, but it is a build process every week.

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by BritWarriorGSW on Feb 26, 2009 1:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I dont think

your extra “bulk” (25-50 lbs) wouldnt do nearly as much good as your extra 5 inches and the reach and wingspan that come with it. (thats coming from a fellow big man, 6’3" 215) I muscled up to about 235-240 about a year ago, but it didnt help me one bit trying to compete with a 6’7" 230ish friend of mine who played some college ball, in fact it probably made me worse. The better basketball player will almost always win out, and length helps make you a better basketball player much more than bulk does.

Thing A

by sam23 on Feb 25, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!

By that logic, Wright and Randolph will be great.

by warriOs on Feb 25, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

IF

they really are good basketball players. And I didnt say they didnt need to get stronger, just that they didnt necessarily need to bulk up or meet a certain weight requirement

Thing A

by sam23 on Feb 26, 2009 12:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sam....

I never said it was “purely” about size, but at this level, the ability to check your opponent either “off balance” or out of position is a huge bonus. The skill element is the key and sorry you couldnt beat ya friend…. ;P Maybe you should have threatened to punch him in the “Jejunum!!”

:)

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by BritWarriorGSW on Feb 26, 2009 1:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

and I’m just saying when you add bulk you lose mobility and skill, we should be less concerned with bulk than improvement.

Thing A

by sam23 on Feb 26, 2009 11:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

simply not true......

A mate of mine at University in the UK was same height as me and 230lbs, built like a barn door and got to the quarter finals of “Gladiators” in the UK in 1995/96.

He was a sprinter and could run the 100m in 10.7secs. That is “bulk” with plenty of mobility. Bulk does not mean reduced mobility or loss of skill! it simply changes th type of player you are and the whole point of this discussion is to talk about whether Randolph is a better 3 or a 4 and in order to be a true 4 he DOES need to get a little bigger and if he is to become a 3, then he DOES need to develop his skills a great deal more.

Either way……he has a LOT of development still to do, but he is very exciting prospect.

It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!

by BritWarriorGSW on Feb 26, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m didnt say there arent bulky guys who are athletic and effective players. Certainly guys like Shaq, Big Baby, Z-Bo, DeJuan Blair and Dwight Howard are bulky guys who use their bulk to their advantage. But when guys whose games rely primarily on mobility like Randolph and Wright add bulk simply to add bulk, their games DO suffer. They need to add strength, yes, but we dont need them to meet any sort of weight requirement, saying they need to “bulk up” is like saying a guy needs to fix the way his jump shot form rather than just work on its effectiveness. Yes, effectiveness can enhance the effectiveness, but there are plenty of guys with effective ugly looking jumpers. There are plenty of guys who are strong enough to be effective without bulk.

Thing A

by sam23 on Feb 26, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ronny Turiaf comes to mind

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by Deimos24 on Feb 27, 2009 3:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What does lack of bulk stop him from doing?

Not getting rebounds or blocking shots. His defense seems ok for a rookie. What do you think him bulking up would add to his game, other than possibly losing some speed?

We will probably need to be patient and let this season play out.
-warriorsvictim

by warriorsscore110 on Feb 25, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

see above

It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!

by BritWarriorGSW on Feb 25, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think he needs to work on staying on his feet sometimes as well. He’s been had on the pump fake more than any other Warrior!

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by kenntoe on Feb 25, 2009 7:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure,

he does need to work on his basketball iq, and defensive funamentals, instead of just relying on his athletisism. But I dont see any corelation with that to his weight or stature.

We will probably need to be patient and let this season play out.
-warriorsvictim

by warriorsscore110 on Feb 25, 2009 11:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

surprise, surprise

I agree with WS110 again. I’m all for Randolph gaining some strength (and SOME weight will inherently come with that) but I dont want him to “bulk” up at the cost of losing speed. Its silly to think he needs to reach some weight goal.

Thing A

by sam23 on Feb 25, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Instead of reaching a weight goal,

let him focus on the basics.
Sammy, we both agree its about performance, not apperance, what can you do, and what are you doing.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Feb 25, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What does lack of bulk stop him from doing?

  Establishing position in the paint. something a 4 needs to be able to do consistently. It takes strength but it also takes weight to get traction to use the strength. Right now he just goes for the ball and hopes no one is gonna be there to flatten him into the floor. The anvil always outlasts the hammer, A workman like playing method is better for the long term than a hyperactive dog chasing the stick method. Now don’t confuse weight with fat, muscle is also bulk. Tendons not so much :>)

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 25, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with your premise, but

do you think Rudolf’s lack of inside game is due to his size or because of prefernce to play on the perimeter?

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Feb 25, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

do you think Rudolf’s lack of inside game is due to his size or because of prefernce to play on the perimeter?

  It’s the same thing, we play where our strengths are not where our preference lies. Rudolf doesn’t have the weight to play inside so he’s gotta play outside. Shaq is too slow to play guard so he has to play inside. No one in the game has the luxury of deciding what kind of player they want to be, their body decides it for them, some might not take the hint but if they don’t they don’t stick around long.

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 25, 2009 11:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+ spot on sir!

It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!

by BritWarriorGSW on Feb 26, 2009 1:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Part of the premise of OM's post was that Randolph thinks he has strengths that he doesn't

Do you really think shooting 20 footers is one of Randolph’s strengths?

We don’t always use our strengths optimally and avoid our weaknesses. The best players, like Shaq, are able to do this effectively. Randolph is currently not doing that. Sure, his body needs to fill out a bit. But let’s not have him sacrificing his athleticism for the sake of “bulking up”. He needs to find a happy medium where he’s strong and athletic.

Randolph’s skill set is firmly between PF & SF, but he’s definitely on the side of PF. And that’s what Warriors basketball needs. A quick, versatile athletic PF/SF at power forward.

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by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 26, 2009 8:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Randolph’s skill set is firmly between PF & SF, but he’s definitely on the side of PF

 Well, it depends on which way he develops, more strength and ability to hold his ground inside or better shots outside? The main thing he needs to learn is to respect the other players on the court, they’ll let him play out of control for a little while cause he’s a raw rook but they’ll insist on his calming down soon or he’s gonna have problems, no one like to be blindsided and puppyfucked constantly. Too bad he didn’t stay in school for 4 years then we’d know what we got without all the trouble.

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 26, 2009 8:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

why can't he get both

gain more strength and develop his outside shot? KG is not that bulky, but he has wirey strength and he has good range on his jumpshot too.

by warriOs on Feb 26, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

why can't he get both

 We can always hope!!

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 26, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hahahahah....

KG is 250lbs…….

So going back to many of our points….Randolph does not need to become Shaq…but he DOES need some extra mass and then maybe we will play a similar ground to KG!!!

It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!

by BritWarriorGSW on Feb 26, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

KG is 250lbs

I know that, I have been posting that all over the place. I totally agree that he needs to add muscle. My point is that he can add muscle and weight withoutbeing bulky.

by warriOs on Feb 26, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How do you know KG is 250?

From his NBA.com page or from actually watching him get on a scale? Point is, Richard Hendrix was listed at 6’10" but was actually closer to 6’8". All programs and official height/weights lie. Biedrins is listed at 240. If KG is plenty bulky enough, then so is Biedrins… despite people like you claiming he needs more bulk just like AR & BW.

NBA.com lies about height/weight because they can. Do not use their word as gospel. KG is not 250.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 26, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

As for adding muscle, sure AR should fill out his body properly

He can be a mini-Camby or something.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 26, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

mini-Camby?

Camby is so one dimensional. AR has more skills than him.

by warriOs on Feb 26, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think he just means he could be similar in body.

Thing A

by sam23 on Feb 26, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno, man

Garnett isnt THAT skinny anymore and 250 isnt really all that heavy for a dude close to 7 feet tall. I dont doubt that one.

Thing A

by sam23 on Feb 26, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Have YOU seen KG step on a scale?

How do you KNOW he is not 250. Where is your proof.

by warriOs on Feb 26, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Are you aware that many programs and official height/weight measurements are false?

If so, it’s fair to be skeptical of an assertion based on height/weight measurements that are typically found to be incorrect.

Do you really think these two guys weigh the same:


"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 26, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Listed weights don’t mean that much. Listed heights all tend to be inflated, though it’s inflated more in some than others rendering comparisons not too useful. Height measurements from the combines I trust. Yes, some of the real young guys could continue to grow, but in general that seems to be the most accurate source.

Of course far more important than whether or not someone is a certain height or weight is whether or not he can get it done on the court.

by jae on Feb 26, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

far more important than whether or not someone is a certain height or weight is whether or not he can get it done on the court.

  Yeah, according to the laws of physics Barkley could not fly.

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 26, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You might be skeptical, but you can't say for a fact that it is false.

And don’t show me a picture of KG and Brian Skinner and flat out deny they can’t be the same weight. KG is close to 7 feet tall. Skinner is listed at 6’9". Also KG is straight muscle, and muscle weighs 4 times more than fat. So you can’t seriously say that they cannot be the same weight. My point is that you have nothing to say KG is not 250 and your “official height/measurements being are false” argument is pretty weak.

by warriOs on Feb 27, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You make an assertion based on certain evidence

My point is that your evidence is pretty weak, and thus does not justify any conclusion without other evidence.

JAE posted links to the draft combine, etc. before. If you’ve ever known a high school football or basketball player, you know that the people who make the program just make stuff up. Watch the NBA draft workouts this year. Then reference them against their college listings. It’s all BS. My argument is not weak.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 27, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You might be skeptical, but you can’t say for a fact that it is false.

And you can’t say for a fact that it’s true. You used the evidence, I suggested that the evidence can’t be trusted without corroborating evidence, which is why I asked if you’d seen KG step on the scale.

It’s like you’re using sworn testimony of a known liar to try to justify convicting somebody of armed robbery. You need another eye witness, sir. Law School 101.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 27, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

whatever...

KG weighs around 250 pounds. I don’t care what you say. You can believe he weighs 230 or whatever.

I thought this was an AR post? LOL :)

by warriOs on Feb 27, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The "whatever" defense my favorite

I’m glad you’re such a good sport.

So you’ve given up arguing against me, but you won’t concede that you’re assertion is based on unreliable evidence. And you still cling to your belief for no discernible reason whatsoever… Enjoy!

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 27, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No, I'm just tired of arguing with a douche-bag

who has no evidence to prove that my original point was wrong. Show me proof to the contrary. Show me where he is listed at less than 250.

by warriOs on Feb 27, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You have no proof that your original point was right

So there :-P. Official height/weight listings are not reliable. I don’t see how you don’t understand this yet. Enjoy fantasy land.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 27, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And you can’t say for a fact that it’s true.

Facts? You could use facts to prove anything that’s even remotely true!

by jae on Feb 27, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

nice stats

rec’d

I think its just a myth, that you have to be big and be a banger to be an effective power forward. In our system, let him run and use his quickness to beat other 4’s that way. He seems like he has no problems getting rebounds at the moment.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Feb 26, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

I think the only place his size hurts him some is on defense, but it’s a little early to pass judgment in that area. Very few bigs come into the league with the physical ability and a good understanding of how to play post defense in this league.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Feb 26, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

YOU MISS THE POINT>>>>>

It’s not Either…OR skilled…or big……

Asmany have posted its about having a frame that “CAN” hold its own, with skills that “CAN” be better than the otherguy. No one said he should change to become JUST a bruiser. He clearly has talents many BIGs normally dont have, so give him a little more power to hold his own and then he becomes POSSIBLY one of the leagues great PF’s in the future.

If’s but’s and maybe’s!!

It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!

by BritWarriorGSW on Feb 26, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not many guys can gain 30-50 lbs to their frame AND do the same things athletically they could do before, nobody is saying Randolph doesnt need to get stronger or a little bit bigger, but they things he does well are due in large part to the way he is able to move onthe floor…I dont want him to risk losing those things just so he can have a little more bulk to throw around down there.

Thing A

by sam23 on Feb 26, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

rec'd

By the way, where did you find these kinds of stats??

by YaHeard on Feb 26, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Stats...

I think I found those on 82games.com. I pulled stuff from a few different places when I was researching this FanPost but I think that’s where those came from.

Keep in mind that the sample size is pretty small when you start going position by position with a guy who hasn’t logged that many minutes overall. I’m sure the stats aren’t incredibly reliable at this point (for instance I don’t expect he could actually play center on a regular basis even if he has done some nice things in limited minutes).

IIRC he has logged most of his minutes at PF, then center and then SF, but I don’t recall seeing how many actual minutes he’s spent at each position. Probably not enough to really draw many conclusions but enough start getting an idea of how he would perform in each role.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Feb 26, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wright

is the one that needs to bulk up. we can’t have him breaking his arm every time he tries to block a shot. Now that guy is thin!

I hop up out the bed, turn my swag on and then do the stanky leg...yeaaaaahhh I'm gettin' Arab money!!

by ItsDatFriscoSwag25 on Feb 26, 2009 8:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

we can’t have him breaking his arm every time he tries to block a shot.

  Yeah, 30 pounds of muscle would help keep his wing firmly attached.

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 26, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I envision Randolph as a smooth handling PF who can finish on putbacks, rebound, score in the open floor and push the ball upcourt on defensive rebounds. Who knows if he can significantly improve his jumpshot, but right now it’s just not there. He should focus on the skills the Warriors can use most- rebounding and defense. This will get him PT. As we’ve seen this season, Don Nelson will always wants to go small and run the offense through his swingmen. Jack is a perfect SF for Nellie Ball. Randolph’s game is nothing alike his. If Randolph could drop dimes and bust threes wouldn’t that make him really the perfect SF? YES. But he’s FAR away from that and is much more realistically suited for the role of a quick big man like Biedrins.

by gobigg415 on Feb 25, 2009 4:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nice post OM,

after such a well contrewed argument, I was stunned at how many people voted for sf. They are confusing what they want him to do and what he can do. Put him at the 4 and let him rebound and learn how to defend other 4’s and let him work on offense around the rim. Once he has mastered that and he wants to spend his offseasons improving his perimeter game, more power to him.

rec’d

We will probably need to be patient and let this season play out.
-warriorsvictim

by warriorsscore110 on Feb 25, 2009 5:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

You cannot discredit his recent improvement though. He sucked in the beginning of the year, but looks much more confident with his shot now. So yes, he is shooting 43% (or whatever you put), but that takes into account the beginning of the season when he was shooting ugly ass push set shots.

I’m not saying that you are wrong, but I would be interested to see his split stats from where he started making an improvement. I am not sure exactly where that would be, but from the games I have watched (which admittedly haven’t been that many, it is hard to watch them in LA) he looks much more confident in his shot. You may want to completely shift his mentality, but as far as his current mentality goes, at least he has improved upon that.

Let’s just see if he continues what is in my eyes improved play over the end of the year.

by belilaugh on Feb 25, 2009 6:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

You can see where he’s hitting on the floor here: http://www.nba.com/hotspots/
You can also see what’s happening in the last 5 and 10 games specifically.

His fg% of recent has been pretty good, largely because he’s stopped taking as many jumpers, not because he’s getting that much more accurate with them.. He has a sweet spot just to the right and inside the top of the key that he takes now and makes and he’s reasonable converting inside, but he’s still not very accurate from anywhere else on the court. The mid range jumper doesn’t seem to be coming around at all, but he’s stopped trying to make it. Raising one’s FG % by sticking to the shots you can make is a good strategy.

It’s still a small sample size with him, but it appears that his game is either at the top of the key or at the rim, but no where else.

by jae on Feb 25, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

interesting....

right elbow jumper….. but he’s a lefty…not the spot a lefty would ideally want to shoot from

by tafkasam on Feb 25, 2009 7:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

As a right handed player I’ve always been pretty comfortable pulling up from the left elbow. I can think of quite a few right handed guys that will go all the way to the rim when they go right but pull up at the elbow when they go left. I would think it would be similar for a left handed player wouldn’t it?

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Feb 25, 2009 8:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

....

well its harder to finish at the rim with the off-hand so you might be more likely to pull up, but yea as a righty I do also feel like its easier to pull up and hit the elbow jumper when you go to the left, especially if youre matched up against another righty. …..anybody else thinking we need to get an annual GSoM pickup game organized? I know it would be quite a trek for most for a pickup game, but maybe before a weekend night game?

Thing A

by sam23 on Feb 25, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

GSoM pickup game...

IIRC there was one put together a couple years ago. I don’t remember if it ever happened but I remember reading about them trying to choose a place to play.

It would be fun to get together with some of you guys but I wouldn’t embarrass myself by trying to play (you guys would never take anything I said seriously again). I haven’t played in about a year (dang has it really been that long) and I’m carrying a few too many pounds right now to take the court. Couple that with the fact that I wasn’t very good when I was in shape and you’ve got a really bad combination. =P

Maybe if we choose a date about 6-8 months out I can put myself through basketball-boot-camp. Haha, yeah that’s not going to happen. Tell me how JAE handles Britwarrior in the post.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Feb 25, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

naturally, as a warrior fan

my game is waiting on the perimeter for a 3

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Feb 26, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

according to fitz and barnett

he works alot on his shot in practice and it falls…. he wont be durant, but i dont think he’s biedrins either… if

he could develop a shot similar to KG or odom i’d be THRILLLED… actually even a few set jumpers a la duncan or amare has and pass out of those positions.

but jae has a great point, its te mental block of knowing when to pass or shoot thats harder

by tafkasam on Feb 25, 2009 7:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

wow! He is gonna be soooooo much better than Tyson Chandler

who for the most part is a stiff who can’t shoot a lick.

by dungeness crabdribble on Feb 25, 2009 8:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Randolph Expectations...

I think anyone who is expecting this kid to be Magic Johnson or even Durant is out of their minds.

Randolph is a 4 that can play the 3 if need be. He’s got the silky smooth handles and will probably develop a decent jump shot.

I think the Lamar Odom/KG comparisons are the best comparisons and it’s probably accurate to say he’s a Lamar Odom + KGs intensity. What’s funny with AR is his defense is much better than his offense and that usually isn’t the case with rookies so it’ll be interesting to see his offensive progression next season.

Once he gets a full off-season and Nelson (or a new coach?) has new rookies to pick on we can see Randolph’s true potential. Right now we can see he’ll be an elite rebounder and defender, but the question marks are on the offensive side. However, I’ll take that any day of the week from a rookie rather than a rook who is a + offensive player but – defender, especially from your PF of the future.

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by FLAxwless on Feb 25, 2009 11:56 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think anyone who is expecting this kid to be Magic Johnson or even Durant is out of their minds.

That’s the point. Randolph is out of his mind and needs to come back down to reality. Let’s hope he does.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 26, 2009 8:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If we can get

Wright at the 3, and Randolph at the 4, with Biedrins at the 5 and Ellis at the 1/2, we’ll be set.

by DubsDominate on Feb 26, 2009 12:33 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Wright...

is even farther off from being the 3 than Randolph is right now. If we can and decide to keep them both, Wrights just gonna have to be a reserve later on down the line. I mean, if Randolph is going to primarily at the 4 of course.

I hop up out the bed, turn my swag on and then do the stanky leg...yeaaaaahhh I'm gettin' Arab money!!

by ItsDatFriscoSwag25 on Feb 26, 2009 8:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Or maybe it'll be the other way around

Why do we have to have a SF and a PF and a PG? Why can’t we just have 5 really good basketball players? Why are you declaring that Randolph will be our starter while Wright is going to be a back up? You can’t keep all your eggs in one basket.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 26, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

if it was the other way around..

it would probably work a better because the 3 needs to do a lot more ball handling and AR has ball handling capabilities. I wouldn’t mind having them all on the floor at the same time but I’m just saying that Wright won’t likely be at the 4 spot. I, personally, want to keep them both but I think it’s going to get too crowded in the front court later on down the line when all this untapped talent finally emerges. Sort of like what’s going on with all of our guards. All of our guards, with the exception of Marcus Williams (whom I personally think should have been playing), have shown that they deserve playing time. I don’t want to see Wright as a reserve but that may just be the case later on, maybe. I’d like to see Ellis 1, Jack 2, Randolph 3, Wright 4, Biedrins 5 with a strong bench of Maggs, Turiaf, Buike, Belinelli and whoever else. This is maybe 1 or 2 seasons from now when the guys are more seasoned and are ready to produce consistently for us though.

I hop up out the bed, turn my swag on and then do the stanky leg...yeaaaaahhh I'm gettin' Arab money!!

by ItsDatFriscoSwag25 on Feb 26, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You missed my point

Maybe Randolph will be backing up Wright. That line up would be interesting, and I think that’s the idea. It’ll happen sooner rather than later if Jamal thinks he can get $$ from someone else and opts out.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 26, 2009 8:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nellie only starting 1 guy that can shoot a 3pt?

Not likely. I agree DFIB, there is no NEED to debate between Wright and Randolph, however I do think they are are 2 best talents and kind of redundant. If we can move 1 of them plus 1 of Marco or Kelenna plus Maggette or Crawford and get 1 solid player, I would be all for it.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Feb 26, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yea...you're right

I forgot that you always have to consider Nelson’s whacky style and he likes to put as much firepower as he can on the floor. That’s why we can’t only have Jack at the 2 because he’s the only guy that is a threat from long distance. My fault, I forgot. I do, however, think that there is reason to debate Wright or Randolph or Randolph or Wright. Considering Nelson’s whacky style again, who do you think is likely to play the 4, in the future when both’s talent is much more developed? I’d think AR because he can have the ability to do more on the offensive end while still being a factor on the defensive end. AR will eventually learn how to take his man off the dribble and be able to create shots and plays that way. Wright has a lot of ability but I can see him as more of a post player that plays around the basket and cleans up shots, which is not bad but it doesn’t provide too many options. I think Nelson is going to want people who can create their own shots, to be on the floor. If it were up to myself or a more traditional type of coach, then Ellis 1, Jack 2, Randolph 3, Wright 4, Biedrins 5 would not be a bad idea at all, IMO. With a strong bench of Maggs, Turiaf, Buike, Belinelli and whoever else.

What do you think about Marco 1, Ellis 2, Jack 3, AR 4, Biedrins 5? This sounds like it could eventually become a Nelly lineup. Oh yeah, and you notice that I never mentioned Crawford in the lineup, not even the bench. That’s not because I don’t like Crawford because that’s not the case at all, I like Crawford’s game and professionalism but I think you have to pick and choose. With his hefty contract, I wouldn’t mind seeing him go too much. If we could get a nice legit point guard in his place, I think that would be to the benefit of this team.

I hop up out the bed, turn my swag on and then do the stanky leg...yeaaaaahhh I'm gettin' Arab money!!

by ItsDatFriscoSwag25 on Feb 27, 2009 9:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If you are going to move Maggette, we should keep Kelenna to back up the 3.

Let’s hope Crawford opts out (Fingers X)!

What player would you be aiming for to get back?

by warriOs on Feb 27, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, my dream(wet version) would be Joe Johnson,

but realistic options include Vince Carter, Antwan Jamison, Richard Jefferson, and several others I can think of at the moment.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Feb 27, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Uh-oh

oxln better not hear of that statement. Wright is already a solid player, so why trade him AD Marco for another “solid” player?

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 27, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

oxln better not hear of that statement.

I think he vowed to stop posting until you started spelling his name right. =P

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Feb 27, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever olympusmichael

Your barbs cannot hurt me!

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 27, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

One of these days I'll learn...

I’ve just been writing it that way so long. It’s hard to break a bad habit.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 27, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

it would be a whole lot easier for me if I had any clue what onlxn meant

Thing A

by sam23 on Feb 27, 2009 6:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Or how to pronounce it. In my mind I always say “online”. Weird huh?

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Feb 27, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

oh that makes way more sense. In my head I kept saying "only-n but with an ‘x’ "

Thing A

by sam23 on Feb 28, 2009 2:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The most boring secret in the world revealed: if you say each letter, you get my name, Owen Ellickson.

by onlxn on Mar 3, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ha

thats actually pretty dang cool, I thought it would be something way crazier, but thats neat.

Thing A

by sam23 on Mar 3, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I googled you

Do you write for “King of Queens” or is that some other more famous Owen Ellickson?

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 4, 2009 6:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

…..stalker alert

Thing A

by sam23 on Mar 4, 2009 8:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

stalker alert

It takes one to know one ;-).

Say Owen… how’s it goin’? Hey, I’ve got this really cool Warriors paraphernalia to give you. Can you give me your address so I can stop by some time? Even your phone number or email address. I also know this Nigerian prince who’s got $25M he needs to get out from under his evil aunt’s thumb. There’s a 10% cut in it for you if you give me your bank account number.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 4, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It takes one to know one ;-).

….Owen, can you come outside? Your neighbors are probably starting to grow suspicious because I’ve been parked down the street here for hours.

Thing A

by sam23 on Mar 4, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How about a 1% cut for 10% of my bank account number?

The first number of my bank account is 0. Lemme know.

by onlxn on Mar 4, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

C'mon

I’ve got the last four digits from the In & Out receipt you threw away last week.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 5, 2009 6:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody writes for “King of Queens” anymore. It’s over, boys. We have to move on.

by onlxn on Mar 4, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Should I take that as a confirmation?

If so that’s very cool. I really enjoyed that show. In fact during the short time I was living with my in-laws it was one of the few things that everybody liked so I watched that show a lot.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Mar 4, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Does that mean we can start referring to onlxn as

The King of Jack London Square? What the equivalent of Queens in Oakland?

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 5, 2009 6:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's awesome.

Reminds me of the classic William Steig book “CDB”

O! U R O-N L-X-N, R U ?

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Mar 5, 2009 12:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

That’s actually quite clever. I wish my name had a cool shorthand like that.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Mar 4, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Send Wright packing for legit PG....

At this point I wouldn’t be opposed to sending Wright packing for a legit PG.

Wright for Sessions! Make it happen.

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by FLAxwless on Feb 26, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wright for Sessions! Make it happen

I dont see how that can happen unless, we are talking about 5-7 player trade where those guys are involved.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Feb 26, 2009 9:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Marcus Camby

I think Anthony Randolph’s most realistic ceiling is Marcus Camby:

Marcus Camby
6-11 220lbs
(career per 36 stats)
12.6 points
11.5 rebs
3.1 blks
1.2 stls
1.8 to’s
47% fg

Anthony Randolph
6-10 205lbs
16.4 points
11.6 rebs
2.6 blks
1.3 stls
3.4 to’s
43% fg

If Randolph hits his jumper with more consistency and limits his turnovers by handling the ball less, we have… well.. a younger, smaller Marcus Camby.

by YaHeard on Feb 26, 2009 9:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

If Randolph can be as effective as Camby without being as frail, I’d be rather happy.

by jae on Feb 26, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's a good comparison...

I noticed DFiB mentioned that above. I think that may be a better comparison to Randolph’s game than Chandler when you consider that his strengths are rebounding and shot blocking and he shares an affection for that midrange elbow jumper. The reason I chose Chandler for this piece is that he seemed to show growth and maturity after a year or two of playing “smaller” than he should (though just looking at the stats it seems Camby did too).

Camby is definitely another guy I’d like Randolph to emulate though. Let’s get Randolph some Camby game-tape too.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Feb 26, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Camby, Joe Smith, and Rasheed Wallace were all Frosh in in college at the same time and I remember reading about how they represented a newer breed of big men who fired from the perimeter and scored points on jumpers making them deadly impossible to guard blah blah blah.

by jae on Feb 27, 2009 8:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Still can't believe we took Smith over Garnett.

What a mistake. Oh well, hind sight is 20/20.

by warriOs on Feb 27, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

McGrady over Foyle is more unbelivable,

seeing as we took Fuller over Bryant the year before. Smith was the proven college player and Garnett was the young High School question mark stud. I have no qualms with that pick…

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Feb 27, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting.

It’s no wonder that these guys can tend to have a bit of an identity crisis with respect to their game when they are surrounded by friends, family, AAU coaches and even sportswriters blowing smoke constantly.

It’s interesting that throughout the years those guys that came into the league as “perimeter” bigs have all (at least somewhat) started to play inside more. I’m still holding out hope that Randolph will find his way and become a more efficient player without loosing his edge on the boards. That would be a huge plus for this team. But I just can’t help but be concerned every time I look at his FG% and turnovers. I guess I can take some comfort in the fact that he has shown an ability to improve somewhat.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Feb 27, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

His FG% and turnovers are kind of alarming. But at least we know the talent is there. The rebounding, defense, and athleticism are there. His FG% and turnovers can be fixed if he just changes his mindset.

I’d rather have him with talent and these major flaws. If he had no talent, but shot a high FG% and didn’t turn the ball over as much.. well, we’d have another Rob Kurz on our hands.

by YaHeard on Feb 27, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This is why Rob Kurz sometimes gets PT over Randolph...

Sad, but true. Sometimes Nellie would prefer a Rob Kurz to an Anthony Randolph.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 27, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

After today's game.

I think we have found our #4.

Hasheem "The Dream" Thabeet or Greg Monroe. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.

by ejdacanay on Mar 1, 2009 7:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

hes a mini KG

looked just like him when kg was a rook, iono kg looked even thinner lol

by gswfan1 on Mar 1, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Randolph was ridiculous tonight

He was the catalyst tonight in the Dubs getting back in the game during the third. Call him a 3, call him a 4, either way we need to keep this guy, he is going to be something special as he gets older and wiser. At this point in the season, with not much left to be rooting for but a high draft position, Randolph still manages to get me excited about the Warriors of the future. Personally I don’t think Randolph should stop shooting his outside shot, its been falling recently and considering that he is a pretty good ft shooter, I don’t see why he can’t work on it in the offseason.

by Pearlsofwisdom on Mar 1, 2009 11:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Personally I don’t think Randolph should stop shooting his outside shot, its been falling recently and considering that he is a pretty good ft shooter, I don’t see why he can’t work on it in the offseason.

 Definitely, He’s gonna need an outside shot unless he gets heavier. Once he learns to plan his moves instead of running around like a dog chasing a stick he’ll be fine. With his hops If he can develop the calmness of a Biedrins and the shot of a Harrington he’ll be usefull.

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 1, 2009 11:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

With his hops If he can develop the calmness of a Biedrins and the shot of a Harrington he’ll be usefull.

why not give him Shaq’s strength, Kobe’s killer instinct, Kidd’s vision, and Duncan’s fundamentals while youre at it?

Thing A

by sam23 on Mar 2, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

why not give him Shaq’s strength, Kobe’s killer instinct, Kidd’s vision, and Duncan’s fundamentals while youre at it?

  Haha, I wanted to keep the goal close enough that he could see it…

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 2, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He should watch KG to see how he can use his outside shot

Work on a couple spot up spots and use it as a “pick & pop” type thingy and only when defenders are sagging off him.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 2, 2009 11:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

nellie's a loser

and as he has bulked up, he has gotten much worse.
although, admittedly, his drunken fugue states also have a lot to do with that.

by nelliehater on Mar 2, 2009 11:01 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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