The Benching of Veterans
by Fantasy Junkie on Feb 27, 2009 10:55 AM PST
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PrintIt appears that Nellie has started the youth movement. Word is, he's going to be sitting healthy veterans in favor of playing the young guys, starting with Jamal Crawford tonight against the Bobcats (a team he dropped 50 on).
From Nellie:
"I'll do that periodically because I have a logjam at (shooting guard) and it's probably better not to try to play everybody," Nelson said after practice, in which he figured the average age of the participants was about 23. "Just give a guy a game off every once in a while."
Jamal can't be too happy about this but he'll be there on the bench cheering on his teammates. But he's not telling the media he's upset:
Coach Nelson has been around for 30 years and won 1,300 games," said Crawford. "I'm not going to ever question what he's doing. He wants to play young guys, and I understand. They've worked hard all year."
Understandably, Aaron Goodwin, Crawford's agent, isn't very happy about it:
"What is the message that Coach Nelson is sending the team? That he does not care about winning?" Goodwin said. "You would think, in this day and time when fans work hard to pay for these tickets, that the coach would field the best possible team. Jamal may not score 50 points on the Bobcats again, but he would work hard to get a win and reward the fans for their loyalty to this team in this hard time."
A couple more links:
Crawford's Agent Decries Warriors' Move
Crawford the Scapegoat?
What does this all mean? Hit the jump...
- In terms of playing time, expect to see Marco and Morrow out there a lot more often with CJ also seeing some extra minutes. I guess I won't be able to see Jamal's crazy handles as often and have to settle for watching Rocky and Morrow shoot 3's.
- Why this sudden change of heart from Nellie? I have a hard time believing Nellie is fully on board with this. Does he really want to play the young guys and give his veterans a rest? I know that in baseball, guys get days off since the baseball season is a marathon, but in basketball you don't hear about it as often. I just don't quite understand the motivation behind this given Nellie's track record of not playing young guys unless they give him a better chance to win than his vets. Nellie knows that this isn't going to help him win games. Marco and Morrow are not going to help you as much as Jamal is. Has he all of a sudden decided to build for next year rather than win more games this year?
- Could management be pushing this? I would think management would want to win more games this year to help get season ticket holders to renew. If the Warriors can continue to play around .500, you can try to sell tickets based around this team just needing all of its players back to make a playoff push.I think they're looking at a big drop in season ticket renewals. Jamal helps you win games.
- BUT, i can also see it from management as them trying to force Crawford out the door. Get him to opt out of his contract this summer and you save a ton of money. You get Morrow and Marco some more experience, get Jamal off the books, and go into next season praying that Monta makes a 100% comeback. Why does this force Jamal out? Tell him that his minutes next year will get eaten up little by little by the young guys and his minutes go from 37 this year to around 30 next year. Essentially push him out the door and make his time here uncomfortable. Perhaps he also realizes that he'll be 29 next year without ever having played a playoff game. Opt out, go to a contender while he can still be a useful piece off the bench. Given the current state of the NBA where everyone is trying to shed salary to avoid the luxury tax, this doesn't surprise me.
- The only negative I see to him opting out is he becomes a valuable expiring contract in 2010. A $10 million expiring contract could come in quite handy if the Warriors think they can make a playoff push that year.
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Nellie's sudden change of heart
It was either on The Razor and Mr T show or on the Nellie call-in show last night that mentioned something about talking to management (I think it was Rowell) about playing the young kids more. Perhaps the mgmt is doing this to showcase the young kids for a trade.
But what I don’t understand is why Crawford is THAT upset about being benched for one game. Has Nellie planned to bench Crawford for the rest of the season? I thought Nellie said he’ll rotate the benching around the veterans and Crawford happens to be the first tonight.
Or perhaps Crawford and his agent wanted to showcase Crawford to other teams so that he has a place to go once he opts out, and Nellie’s plan to bench Crawford messed up their plans. This would explain why Crawford’s agent is so vehemently trying to attack Nellie and make him look bad.
Playing for next season
Resting the vets and playing the young guys in season that is already lost, seems like a smart way to prepare for next season. You dont risk the vets health and you develop the youth. Seems like a great idea. I cant wait to see the young guns go at it for the rest of the season
Crawford
Whether he opts out or not, has a bunch of value for us. If he stays and plays, great. I like the guy and I think he makes us a better team right now, plus we could use him as trade bait. If he leaves after this season, that’s money for us to spend on something better than just the midlevel exception we can currently afford next year.
As for the Nellie conspiracy theories: highly dubious. I think Nellie really does like Belli and Morrow as players and wants them to get more time. We know what Crawford brings to the table, let him sit for a game.
Agents are poisonous vipers.
Monta is the singular of Montus, of the Montai
Typical Nellie Drama
He don’t need to bench Crawford to give the kids more time. Play Jamal a few minutes then pull him makes more sense. If the game is close put him back in.
Does this have anything to do with a move out of town? Piss everyone off so we want the team to leave?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 27, 2009 11:22 AM PST reply actions
It’s better this way. Playing Jamal just 10 minutes in games would wreak havoc on his “per game” stats, especially “Points Per Game”. Since he’s primarily just a scorer in this league, his PPG is probably going to have the most influence on how much he gets paid in his next contract. That’s not how it should be, but that’s just the way it is.
So this way, by getting DNP-CD’s, he keeps his PPG up.
You called it.
“Nelson said he isn’t sitting the veterans just to give the youngsters a shot, but he’s also trying to help the veterans. He said it’s better for their numbers to just sit them out a game than to lower their averages by playing them minimally.”
I can give a rat's arse.......
what JC’s agent thinks. I am excited to see what these young players can do on a gamely basis. Like Supa said, we know what Crawford brings to the table, let us see what these other younger players bring.
Wasn’t this what alot of people wanted to see when the season started??? See the young guys develop and give us a hint of what the future may bring. Now it’s finally happening.
GSW = NBA Champs 2011
I'd love to see this happen
Crawford’s agent continues to blow this up in the media about how unhappy Crawford is. The next time Crawford plays at the Oracle, the fans all boo him.
by IQofaWarrior on Feb 27, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think booing......
JC solves anything. I actually like the guy. He has been nothing but classy to this organization. I would love to keep him, but like we all know, we have a plethora of SGs, and he happens to be paid the most. Use that money to get PF!!!!
However if you can locate JC’s agent, perhaps we can tar and feather his b*tch a$$.
On a side note, I am excited to see AR get in like 25 min/game.
by nuttinbutnet on Feb 27, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I like Crawford-the-person too
but I’d like to see this agent’s approach backfire on him. And unfortunately for JC, booing JC is the closest the fans can get to tarring and feathering the agent.
by IQofaWarrior on Feb 27, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
The agent’s just doing his job and protecting his client. Looking out for his client’s next contract. Can’t fault the dude
The agent's doing his job and trying to earn a nice fat paycheck
He’s a sports agent. He’s not Mother Teresa. His investments are losing money and he wants another commission check on a contract. End of story.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 27, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly this is a joke
I don’t care to see minutes gifted to young players. I have no interest in watching players just because they’re young. I want to see the best players play. The guys who have earned playing time fair and square.
I’m sorry but benching Jamal Crawford (a classy guy and a respected veteran) to open up minutes for guys like CJ Watson, Marco Belinelli, and Anthony Morrow who will never be as good as him is a joke. Young players don’t mythically morph into great players because you give them playing time. If these guys can’t beat out Jamal for minutes, then they don’t deserve to play. Plain and simple. Why does Jamal have to sit out a game because he’s that much better than them that they can’t beat him out?
Jamal’s agent was spot on [Inside Bay Area]:
“What is the message that Coach Nelson is sending the team? That he does not care about winning?” Goodwin said. “You would think, in this day and time when fans work hard to pay for these tickets, that the coach would field the best possible team. Jamal may not score 50 points on the Bobcats again, but he would work hard to get a win and reward the fans for their loyalty to this team in this hard time.”
Like FJ I have a hard time believing that Nellie is solely behind this, so I’m hesitant to pin this squarely on him. Money, Warriors mismanagement, etc are a major reason.
Look if the Warriors are going to use a real NBA game for practice and auditions, then how about charging us the same prices as open practice. Free.
Warriors fans should be screaming “We want Jamal!” all night long.
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 27, 2009 11:41 AM PST reply actions
Giving young players playing time doesn’t “morph them into great players”, but it gives them valuable experience. Having them play substantial minutes against NBA starters in meaningful NBA games lets the coaching staff observe and assess what we have better, it lets Don Nelson become more comfortable trusting these young players, and it lets the young players become more comfortable on the court themselves.
And I think you have a skewed perception of just how good Jamal Crawford is. Besides the fact that he’s a high volume scorer (takes a whole crapload of shots and misses alot) and has silky smooth handles, there’s nothing about his game that screams “good basketball player that will help you win games”.
When was the last time he’s ever contributed to a winning (over .500) team? The dude’s never even gotten to the playoffs. And for a guy makes himself a big part of the offense and takes such a high percentage of his team’s shots whereve he goes, you can’t deny he’s hurt his teams more than he’s helped.
Giving young players playing time doesn’t "morph them into great players", but it gives them valuable experience.
It’s not valuable if they didn’t earn it and they know no matter how many mistakes they make (Belinelli’s failure to listen to what his coach is telling him to do on D- see Nellie’s recent quote about it) they’re going to get handouts.
Having them play substantial minutes against NBA starters in meaningful NBA games lets the coaching staff observe and assess what we have better, it lets Don Nelson become more comfortable trusting these young players, and it lets the young players become more comfortable on the court themselves.
Hey if they can’t beat out Jamal in practice (an NBA starter) then that’s a pretty good signal that there’s no reason to trust them. Nellie shouldn’t be comfortable with these guys. They’re fringe NBA talents in the first place. He already knows that.
And I think you have a skewed perception of just how good Jamal Crawford is. Besides the fact that he’s a high volume scorer (takes a whole crapload of shots and misses alot) and has silky smooth handles, there’s nothing about his game that screams "good basketball player that will help you win games".
When was the last time he’s ever contributed to a winning (over .500) team? The dude’s never even gotten to the playoffs. And for a guy makes himself a big part of the offense and takes such a high percentage of his team’s shots whereve he goes, you can’t deny he’s hurt his teams more than he’s helped.
Where did I say he’s a great player? I think he’s a nice 6th man, but that’s about it.
We can sit here and take all these irrelevant shots at Jamal’s game, but guess what? These young guys are even worse than him- far worse. And they’ll never be as good as him, especially when they’re getting hand outs.
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 27, 2009 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think they are getting gift minutes
they earned them through good play. We are just overloaded at the position.
you seem to have a hard time understanding this, but guys like bellinelli would be playing a lot more for most coaches.
nelly has a hard time allowing young players to earn minutes
"so much losers" - hiero
by montamazing on Feb 27, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
"nelly has a hard time allowing young players to earn minutes"
That would be a myth. You don’t even have to dig that far back to disprove that:
2006-2007
- Monta Ellis (age 21): 34.3 minutes per game
- Andris Biedrins (age 20): 29.0 minutes per game
2007-2008
- Monta Ellis (age 22): 37.9 minutes per game
- Andris Biedrins (age 21): 27.3 minutes per game
2008-2009
- Monta Ellis (age 23): Moped Gate
- Andris Biedrins (age 22): 30.7 minutes per game
Monta and Andris earned it. Hence they got it.
Nellie has a hard time playing guys who don’t deserve to play, which oddly enough Mullin keeps handing to him.
And why exactly would Belinelli be playing a lot more minutes for most coaches?
Recently the guys Nellie has been riding pine haven’t exactly seen a huge uptake in minutes when they’ve gone to other teams.
- Adonal Foyle (soon to be out of league)
- Patrick O’Bryant (soon to be out of league)
- Ike Diogu (soon to be out of league)
- Stephane Lasme (out of league)
- Kosta Perovic (out of league)
- Sarunas Jasikevicius (out of league)
- Troy Hudson (out of league)
- Keith McLeod (out of league)
- Dajuan Wagner (out of league)
By the way- way to go Mullin for signing those guys!
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 27, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
the warriors are in need of a player who can handle the ball and play the point.bellinelli has these skills.
i think bellinelli is a little better than the players you mention. when nelly was forced to give him time, he avg’d 13 ppg with 4ast or something….
"so much losers" - hiero
Jamal has put up 19ppg and 4.5apg for the Warriors through 40 games, so to sit him so Belinelli can get his 13 ppg and 4 apg which you project makes no sense.
Belinelli in unproven. His rookie season was a disaster and he didn’t look like he even belonged in the NBA. He’s put a few good games together this season, but that’s it. Doesn’t mean he can give you that night in and night out. It’s one thing to have a nice stretch of games (a la Kelenna at the beginning of last season), but a completely different thing to do that over the course of a couple seasons (a la Jamal Crawford).
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 27, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
Atma...
I posted this in your Tanking Post but it seems like this may be a better place for it so I’ll put it here too…
You seem to be taking a pretty hard stand against the move of occasionally benching the vets to play the young guys. I can understand your point from a season ticket holder’s point of view, because it sends a bad message after you dropped your hard earned cash on tickets. Also because Jamal is a pretty entertaining guy to watch.
But…
Here is the other side of things. You seem to assume that Crawford is by far a better player than Marco and Morrow. I’m not so sure and here is why.
When you look at the per minute stats Marco and Crawford are very similar players. Marco shoots a better percentage but Crawford gets to the line more. Crawford has a slight edge on assists and the turnovers are about the same, but Marco gets nearly twice as many steals and plays better defense overall. IMO Marco’s improved defense might actually give him a bit of an edge.
I know what yo are going to say "Those are per minute stats! you can’t actually assume that Marco will perform that well if given more minutes". Well without getting into the "Millsap Doctrine" I will concede that point. And that is exactly the reason that we should play him more. If he is performing equal to Crawford, and Crawford may or may not be opting out in the offseason, wouldn’t it be nice to know whether or not Marco can keep playing at this level if given more minutes.
It does make more sense than trying to let everyone play in the same game. As long as they keep the effort up I don’t really mind it.
Thing 2
Good thoughts
But like you already noted- per minute stats in a few games don’t impress me. It’s the NBA. Once other teams get a scouting report on you and figure you out, your holes start to show. Ike Diogu looked like a stud when he blew up for 27 points against the Wallace towers in their prime in Detroit, but teams figured him out and he most likely won’t even get a second NBA contract.
Jamal has consistently put up numbers for about 7 years now. Belinelli has proven nothing. He can’t even beat Jamal (an average to below average starting guard in the NBA) for playing time without Nellie having to sit him out completely. Again- that’s a joke.
Marco’s D is wildly overrated. He’s still an extremely low hoops IQ and fairly lazy and unfocused player in my book. [SFGate]
The Warriors’ coach said he’ll have to allow his youngsters a longer leash, but drew the line at repetitive mistakes, which he said led to the yanking of Belinelli early in the third quarter of Sunday’s game against the Clippers.
“I told him about a responsibility he had, and if it happened again, I was going to make a sub. And next play, it happened,” Nelson said. “He knew what he did and why he was taken out, and hopefully he’ll learn from it.”
I honestly don’t get all the silly fan love for this guy especially from the Roaracle crowd. It’s getting to Dunleavy proportions pre-We Believe. Belinelli’s been beat out by Kelenna Azubuike (an NBDL call-up who worked hard) and Jamal Crawford (limitations noted, but still a solid veteran guard) and even arguably Anthony Morrow (undrafted and a far better shooter, rebounder, and defender), yet he gets way more fan love than those three guys. It’s annoying.
Don’t get me wrong Belinelli looks way better than he was last season, but he has a far, far way to go.
Nellie’s tanking it. He knows exactly what he’s doing. You think he really needs time to evaluate these young guys? He seems them in practice all the time. If the Warriors had something to play for they would be sitting vets out for an entire game like this. He know that if he plays the vets they’re going to win a bunch of games at home to close off this season and end up at the bottom of the lottery. Playing these young guys instead of the vets almost guarantees more losses = more lotto balls = more chances at Blake.
I’m conflicted. It might the right move in the long run, but it is a huge culture shift. It’s not a meritocracy anymore. If there’s no draft benefit next year and veteran free agents in the future are scared off because of how Jamal, Stephen, and Corey are forced to sit out, then it’s hard to argue that this is the right decision.
For season ticket holders this is just disrespect- even more consumer fraud. The Cohan and Rowell specialty!
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 27, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks for the reply...
Jamal has consistently put up numbers for about 7 years now.
Yeah but when you look beyond the PPG his numbers haven’t really been that impressive. He has been a guy that gets to have the ball in his hands and take a lot of shots. He is exciting to watch but he is not a good as you’d think judging simply by his scoring average.
Belinelli has proven nothing.
I pretty much agree. He has proven that he can perform about as well as Crawford in limited minutes but that’s not really much to get excited about.
Nellie’s tanking it. He knows exactly what he’s doing. You think he really needs time to evaluate these young guys? He seems them in practice all the time.
Well yeah, I do think there is some value in evaluating a player in an actual game. It will tell you leaps and bounds more than evaluating him in practice. It will also help to inflate any trade value they might have in the offseason. There is still a good chance that we package some young guys to get another Vet to play with the ones we already have.
I do agree that Nellie wouldn’t be doing this if we were in the hunt though.
I’m conflicted. It might the right move in the long run, but it is a huge culture shift. It’s not a meritocracy anymore. If there’s no draft benefit next year and veteran free agents in the future are scared off because of how Jamal, Stephen, and Corey are forced to sit out, then it’s hard to argue that this is the right decision.
Yeah, the draft is a big question mark, but I don’t think there will be any long-term effects as far as free agents go. I think most of the guys in the league understand that when your record gets to a certain point then the teams priorities shift. This does seem a bit sudden though, I’ll give you that.
For season ticket holders this is just disrespect- even more consumer fraud. The Cohan and Rowell specialty!
This is your best point IMO. Having spent your money on season tickets you have every right to react to this negatively. I know there are actually a lot of season ticket holders that have been clamoring to see the young guys for a while too though. Not to say either way is right or wrong but when you’ve put your cash down on something you have the right to have an opinion. I totally understand your frustration.
I just picked up another 8 tickets at $8 a piece. I knew what I was getting. If I would have paid full price for those games at the beginning of the season I wouldn’t be nearly as excited to go.
I guess at this point the best we can hope for is some luck in the draft and continued improvement from the younger guys.
Thing 2
Wierd,
I totally agree with Atma Brother One here. What the hell is the point of this Crawford benching? Can we just play him 25 minutes instead of riding him for 40+(or 60+ if we got to double over time). What do we got, let me help Nellie and management out:
Morrow-Bench Player
Belinelli-Bench Player(poor man’s Crawford, not a good thing folks)
Watson-Bench Player
Azibuike-Good Bench Player
What do we got to do see Randolph play 25 minutes, if there is anybody that might turn into somebody its him.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Feb 27, 2009 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
guys like bellinelli would be playing a lot more for most coaches.
Other coaches wouldn’t have all these Belinelis so they wouldn’t have this problem.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 27, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
"What is the message that Coach Nelson is sending the team?"
And what message does Nellie send if he continues to play the veterans on a lost season? That Nellie doesn’t care about developing young talent? That he only cares about his coaching win record? That he only cares about the here-and-now? The fans have been asking for playing the young kids all season, and now we get it.
“Jamal may not score 50 points on the Bobcats again, but he would work hard to get a win and reward the fans for their loyalty to this team in this hard time.”
- Oh, and the other guys WON’T work hard? Morrow, CJ, and Marco aren’t going to play hard and reward our loyalty?
"That Nellie doesn’t care about developing young talent?"
I’d like to see a list of what players have been developed in this league by being gifted playing time and have been mythically transformed into good players. I’d also like to see a list of what head coaches are great at developing players.
Newsflash: No head coach developed Dwight Howard, Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, etc. They were talented and they worked hard.
Young teams lose. Head coaches who play young guys lose and get fired. Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, Don Nelson, Jerry Sloan, and Larry Brown aren’t regarded as hall of fame coaches because they mythically develop young players. They win with vets. You win in this league with vets and superstars (who can be young).
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 27, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
You’re right. You win in this league with vets and superstars. It’s obvious that we can’t win with the vets we have and we have no superstars.
You’re basing Belinelli’s and Morrow’s levels of talent based on Don Nelson’s judgment based on what he’s seen in practice?? The same Don Nelson who’s notorious for his bias against young players?
I think it’s way too soon to write off Belinelli and Morrow. And we have nothing to lose this season either. What could we possibly lose by playing them?
You’re basing Belinelli’s and Morrow’s levels of talent based on Don Nelson’s judgment based on what he’s seen in practice?? The same Don Nelson who’s notorious for his bias against young players?
Nellie’s an excellent talent evaluator. I’d like to see a list of the young players he’s supposedly jerked around and have blown up elsewhere vs the young players he’s benched for good reason (e.g. Patrick O’Bryant and Ike Diogu recently).
That “bias” against young players is a myth. CWebb, Timmy Hardaway all won ROY honors under him. He’s the one who gave Monta and Biedrins a chance. They earned their playing time and beat out the guys ahead of them in the dept chart.
I think it’s way too soon to write off Belinelli and Morrow.
I’ve seen them enough to believe that: Neither will ever be a superstar in this league. Neither will ever be an All-Star. Neither will ever be a average starter in this league (e.g. Jamal Crawford). What’s to get excited about?
And we have nothing to lose this season either. What could we possibly lose by playing them?
Then we revert back to the Dunleavy era where a guy just got undeserved playing time because of draft position, contract (in this case it’s trying to get cheaper), management, or politics.
When Nellie got here in the Fall of 2006 it was a huge culture change. Nellie was running a meritocracy for the past 2.5 years here. DunMurphyFoyle had huge contracts and were vets who management wanted to play and whose contracts they wanted to justify. But Nellie really didn’t care. He’d play a journey man like Matt Barnes over them. He’d play a young 2nd round pick (Monta Ellis) over them. He’d play a raw late lottery pick over them (Andris Biedrins). Nellie was playing to win and he didn’t care what the local media (who oddly thinks they’re qualified basketball talent evaluators compared to him) said.
Honestly this is a joke. Jamal and his agent have every right to be upset. The Warriors “young 2’s” should be ashamed that this is what it took for them to get playing time. Undeserved and unearned privilege.
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 27, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
So if Don Nelson is electing to bench Jamal Crawford and give playing time to Belinelli and Morrow…
does that not confirm that Nelson sees something that means they’re good enough to be given a good look at??
Not at all
It means he’s tanking it.
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 27, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
Not at all
It means he’s tanking it.
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 27, 2009 11:33 PM PST up reply actions
What could we possibly lose by playing them?
What? The respect of the vets around the league that might have been considering coming here! They see what happened to JRich, TMNT and now Crawford, a guy who’s scored 50 points multiple times and they are not gonna be so likely to want to play for old crazy Nellie.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 27, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
Respect?!
Talkin’ about respect?!
Look at our W-L record and look at all the times we’ve been blown out by the NBA’s worst teams, and that’s with our “reliable ol’ vets” Jackson and Crawford playing 40+ minutes a night.
Respect flew out the window a long time ago. It’s long gone.
how do you know whether a player has earned playing time or not?....you don't
"so much losers" - hiero
We've been asking for this
One thing that has to be resolved, is how good Belineli is. He’s certainly a better defender, rebounder, and passer than JC. I rank him pretty close overall, although I can’t recall him winning with the game on the line, like Jamaal has, on occasion. Belineli is also working extremely hard on his game, as his improvement on defense shows. I haven’t noticed any improvement in Crawfords defense, although he says he’s working on it.
One problem is the whole NBA coaching/player relationship. Nellie has trouble sitting veterans, even when they’re screwing up. He still needs to tell Crawford to play better defense, and earn your minutes. Imagine him telling Jackson to not complain to the referee during transition defense or he’ll be benched for a while. We have the depth, he should bench veterans for some of their mistakes too. Then he won’t get criticized so harshly for having to use the ‘youth movement’ as an excuse.
Why does everyone want Crawford to opt out?
Yes, we do have a plethora of 2-guards. Therefore, move him to the 1. He makes an awesome point guard.
I think nellie has to be consistent
and rest jack a game, maggs a game, etc.
yeah if he doesnt want JC to get pissed
but jack and maggs help us way more consistantly than JC, and i HATE jack
and rest jack a game,
You don’t “rest” NBA players. they are not catchers.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 27, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
NBA Players don't study Phallic Symbolism...
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 27, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
NBA Players don't study Phallic Symbolism...
They live it
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 28, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
Everyone has been wanting Nelson to play the young guys (including me) and now you guys are mad that he is about to.
Relax everyone it is not the end of the world
seriously!
I been wanting the youngn’s to play for hella long. Maybe not in this fashion where we have to bench key players, but through situational rotations. Nelson has never been really good at spreading minutes but oh well, it’s a lost season and hopefully our young guys can strengthen their games and prove that they need to be out there playing!
I hop up out the bed, turn my swag on and then do the stanky leg...yeaaaaahhh I'm gettin' Arab money!!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag25 on Feb 27, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
I just added this as a fanshot
but I think it belongs in this post as well:
From Matt Steinmetz: No Crawford tonight vs. Bobcats, no Jackson vs. Jazz, no Biedrins vs. Pistons
So what’s Crawford got to be upset about? He’s not the only one being benched.
"Why cant nelson just read a book about ROTATIONS"
Nellie has an answer for that in the article.
by IQofaWarrior on Feb 27, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
Why cant nelson just read a book about ROTATIONS
How has he coached so long without knowing this? Especially in an up tempo game where two guys splitting the time will stay twice as fresh?
Does Jamaal get to take a trip on his day off? Why sit on the bench for nothing?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 27, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
spare the fans.
the fan shells?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 27, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
To describe our season
After Stephen Jackson threw away the ensuing inbound pass
in the ESPN game recap. You can go ahead and replace Jackson’s name with any player not from Latvia or Nelson/Rowell/Cohan if you really want to get risque..
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Feb 27, 2009 11:31 PM PST reply actions
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