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Tank?! Seriously?

Just wanted to post on the obsurd idea that rooting for the Warriors to lose every night has very little positive outcome. Below are three reasons why "trying to get a better draft pick" could just as easily screw things up much worse.

No Historical Basis

When was the last time you have heard of a team in the NBA that decided, around the all-star break, to just give up on the season, and then were rewarded during the off-season?

It's acts like this that can keep free agents away from the Bay, because who prefers to sign a contract with a team that promotes losing? (We have a hard enough time with our teams history as is!)

Some people have pointed out that Boston and Memphis both purposely tanked games to try and get Greg Oden/Kevin Durant, and both teams were left out of the lottery's top three despite having the two best chances for a spot.

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In 2006, the Trail Blazers had the worst record, and they were also left out of the top three. In 2005, out of the three worst teams in the league (Atlanta, New Orleans, and Charlotte) only the Hawks had there ball bounce right, and they received the second pick; only, because of perceived team needs, they passed on both Chris Paul and Deron Williams.

The last time a team with the worst record won the lottery was 2004, and yes, they drafted Dwight Howard, but they won 21 games that year. The basic point of this is simply that the draft lottery, as well as the draft itself, is way too random and unpredictable to warrant deliberately losing games the season prior.

Weak Draft Class

To make matters worse, scouts all over the NBA have been saying for quite some time that this years draft class is looking to be very weak. The favorite to go number one overall all season so far, Blake Griffin from Oklahoma, was on many boards not even rated as high as Anthony Randolph in last years draft, before Griffin removed his name. Ricky_medium

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Looking beyond, very few players stand out as difference makers. Ricky Rubio is highly touted, but there is still a significant chance that he wont declare this season due to issues with his Euro contract and buy-out problems. Greg Monroe is a high-potential PF with ball skills, but has hustle issues and even at Georgetown this season has had many games against good opponents when he disappears. He only managed 3 rebounds in 27 minutes against a small Tennessee lineup early on, and 4 rebounds in another loss to Marquette.

Hasheem Thabeet is a major shot blocker and large body, but also has disappeared against decent teams, and has very, very little skill on the offensive end. James Harden is a favorite of mine, but he is slightly undersized for a shooting guard (the same type of player that makes up half our roster) and isn't very atheletic to boot. Beyond that, there isn't any other players that are close to being sure things, or are even predicted to have a ceiling high enough to be an NBA starter.

Why would we continue to lose games on purpose if the end prize is just another player with holes in his game and isn't an all-star caliber player?

Warrior Brass screwed as is

Tanking games will also give rise to more issues than are already present in the front office. If we keep losing, Don Nelson's job may even be in some jeopardy, and I know that many readers here would like nothing better than a Nelson axing, but that only creates more losing.

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Think about it this way. If Nelson is the head coach, we will spend all of this offseason and next season pushing to win a lot of games (aka, try to make the playoffs). Lenny Wilkins record on 1332 wins for a head coach is not that far away from Nelson current 1295, and you better believe Nelly will be motivated to not just reach that point but move well beyond it; he is a competitor and knows that if his win total is only a handful of games higher than Lenny's there will still be a lot of room for debate over who was a better coach.

Beyond that, if Nelly were to leave, that would make for a huge front office turnover. Mullin is already as good as gone with the way things have happened over the past year. When was the last time an NBA had that much turnover and was successful the following year?

Who would coach this team? Sidney Moncrief has greatly improved our team shooting (particularly from the line) and Keith Smart has begun to turn things around on the defensive end, but there is a reason neither even entered the conversation as so many head coaching positions opened up in the last year. And although I personally think Keith Smart will one day make a great head coach, hopefully for the Warriors, giving the reigns to someone else right now will only prolong the losing for another few years.

So, why tank?

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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for them to lose will help with handling the disappointment, anger

every game you lose is a chance to get the #1 pick
every game you win is a nice surprise.

by saintdee on Feb 4, 2009 6:02 AM PST reply actions  

i hate you

why tell them the family recipe?

warriors dont fish they hunt!

by VonteegoCummings on Feb 4, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Nicely put,

here is an excellent piece by Adam Lauridsen from Fast Break.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/warriors/2008/12/08/tank-survival-guide/

We will probably need to be patient and let this season play out.
-warriorsvictim

by warriorsscore110 on Feb 4, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Blake Griffin>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Anthony Randolph

’nuf said

"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike

by sam23 on Feb 4, 2009 6:52 AM PST reply actions  

Nelson looks like...

…Hitler in that picture!! We have a drunk, nazi for a head coach. wow.

Big ups!!... to all my haaaaterrrrrss!

by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Feb 4, 2009 9:07 AM PST reply actions  

Only a matter of time...

Before he starts doing TV spots like this one.

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 4, 2009 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

wow

why had I never seen that before?

"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike

by sam23 on Feb 4, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

No Historical Basis??

How about mathematical basis…all percentages are for the #1 pick
Wash – 25%
LAC – 19.9%
Sac – 15.8%
OKC – 13.7%
Memphis – 10.3%
GSW – 7.7%

The fact is if Memphis wins 3 more games and the Ws lose the they gain a 3% better chance of getting the #1 pick. Any suggestion that Boston or Memphis didn’t get the #1 pcik because they tanked is believing in otherworldly Karmic forces (or a David Stern conspiracy) that will prevent a team that tanked from getting the top pick.

Weak Draft – true but still top prospects…ie Blake Griffin. He might have been graded lower then AR but that was before his sophmore year when he is averging 22PPG and 14Reb and already has more double doubles then Durant his whole Fresh year.

Ws Brass – sure they are screwed up. But will a 34-48 record really help out in anyway vs a 25-57?? All the same problems will still be there.

The ONLY tanking question is…Is it developing a losing culture and alienating a fan base (and potential free agents if the Ws had cap room) worth an 8% better chance of getting the #1 pick and developing/evaluating your current young players??

In my opinion Yes

by Droppin Dimes on Feb 4, 2009 3:12 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Nailed it - 2.0

% have a way of evening out – that’s why they’re percentages; Howard example is precisely why SCOUTING and personnel judgment are so critical – he was not the consensus #1 pick that year if you recall

in the year of a weak draft, the importance of finishing as far up as possible is even MORE important, which is counter to original poster’s logic

GSW FO is screwed up, so? Will winning more and drafting lower make them better? In fact it could make them worse as they could think they’ve not done such a bad job (referring to Rowell primarily here)

with all due respect to Droppin Dimes, can a franchise who’s been to ONE playoff in over a baker’s dozen seasons be too concerned with creating a losing culture now? Now is the time to finally reap a silver lining from all the frustration with a very high pick.

To this I’d add that when we factor in the odds of moving any of our overpriced, underperforming veterans for a decent PF (not a star mind you, just a legit starting PF) shooting the moon for the #1 pick in a draft that has Blake Griffin makes a ton of sense.

Sit Monta until he is !00% healthy, same for every other player on the roster.

by hardcore on Feb 4, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Hm.

You read DD’s post exactly opposite from the way I did. Looks to me like you said basically what he said, no?

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 4, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Ws v Spurs

I was rooting for a good game and a close loss. I got both of those things and felt dirty afterwards. Rooting for your team to lose is just feels wrong especially before the All-Star break. In April…they should forfeit games and hold open scrimages while working on fundamentals.

Like AR how about not travelling every freakin time you try to catch a pass and dribble. My 4th grade coach taught me that one.

by Droppin Dimes on Feb 4, 2009 3:16 PM PST reply actions  

Haha
My 4th grade coach taught me that one.

Is he available?

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Feb 5, 2009 2:33 PM PST reply actions  

Draft Adonal 2.0!

“Hasheem Thabeet is a major shot blocker and large body, but also has disappeared against decent teams, and has very, very little skill on the offensive end.”

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by Zorgon on Feb 5, 2009 10:47 PM PST reply actions  

So far we can still draft Stephen Curry

I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck

by chili01 on Feb 7, 2009 9:14 PM PST reply actions  

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